Thread 5024657

People always justify carnivores as “ecosystem managers.”
But in the Big Pine Key ecosystem, only deer remain.
There are no predators.
Population is regulated by starvation.
It works.
If the entire American continent had only deer, it would be a perfect ecosystem.
Because besides famine, there are CWD.
Slow entropy. Natural culling. No violence.
Conclusion: carnivores were pure evil. Always were.

>guys see the population instead of being hunted just slowly fucking starve to death this is perfect unlike those meanyhead carnivores
Cloven hooves wrote this post.

>>5024664
better than screaming and being ripped apart by teeth

>>5024668
This is false, actually

>Vegan bullshit
If you aren't hindu, I don't care. You are a pseud idiot, a mental masturbator, who desperately grasps for a REAL god he refuses to believe in because the REAL gods all require that he do hard things like not being gay. Carnivores make for more vibrant and diverse ecosystems and increase the overall resilience of life on earth. We, too, are carnivores, and REQUIRE meat to develop fully so we can survive and competently maintain civilization.

If you ARE hindu or some other non-christian, I hope you go to hell, you fucking satan worshiping heretic.

>>5024668
I don't care what you think deer feel. They aren't relevant to me.

The overall diversity of ecosystems on the continent is because it significantly reduces the chances of a single event wiping them all out, and I require at least one functioning ecosystem for my people to survive.

If you don't care about the survival of your people as much as the theoretical feelings of deer, go ahead and fuck off. Because the moment you put deer over the long term prospects of mankind, mankind is obligated to make that decision to fuck off for you.

>>5024708
>christcuck
pfffhahahaha

>>5024657 (OP)
it has alligators, dipshit, eat a steak because your brain is going retarded from the lack of protein

>>5024657 (OP)
Nigger, gators and eagles live there

>>5024657 (OP)
"Predators are the kings of Nature" is Lion King disney bullshit propagated by hunters and cattle ranchers to justify their lobbying efforts, which are extremely powerful in america. What actually happens when you remove megacarnivores from the environment is what you see: nothing. When you remove megaherbivores, however, you collapse the ecosystem because they're important floral partners. They create new habitat, they fertilize the soil, they spread seed, etc.

Never forget this, and always tell the bots to get fucked.

>>5024702
No it isn't. You're a pampered bitch that has never experienced real starvation.

>>5024730
Have my upboat transbian vegan sister! click!

>>5024702
Starvation is constant pain.

>>5024855
Ranchers and hunters don't need predators to justify shit. Actually, recognizing the importance of predators collapses the hunting guide industry and forces ranchers profit margins to take a hit. Adding wolves back to yellowstone had a non-negligible impact on the GDP and the republican party remains staunchly AGAINST wolves and grizzlies to this day.

>What actually happens when you remove megacarnivores from the environment is what you see
More dry ass grasslands. A less pleasant environment to live near. Quickened desertification in vulnerable areas.
>When you remove megaherbivores, however, you
Might fuck over a scant fee tree species but the ecosystem takes on a trend towards an environment humans finds more beneficial. Smaller herbivores do all that shit just fine without wiping out canopies. And then carnivores wreck their inferior asses before they can get big enough to start taking down trees.

Carnivores ARE the kings of nature. They turn a grassy wasteland "that at least has some life" into a kingdom, a forest, teeming with activity.

>>5024931
So what you're saying is, this vegan literal homosexual literally just made up alt-ecology to convince himself his degenerate, self-injuring dietary cult is somehow superior

Fuck isn't humanity's most destructive side the herbivorous half of being an omnivore? Humans were not that bad for the environment when we mostly hunted and killed our food. Crop agriculture and grain munching caused a population explosion and mass destruction.
>predator humans
Amazon rainforest
>Humans begin eating more plants, and even grow plants to grow meat animals like plants
Amazon rainforest go byebye

>>5024934
Most of our megafauna from ages past got wiped out because we hunted them to extinction. Our diet isn't the problem. It's that we grew to be so successful as a species that nothing kept us in check but ourselves. We had no natural predators we couldn't just kill and outcompete. So naturally we made a world that benefits us and species useful/that we want and everything else gets fucked. That doesn't change whether we eat meat or not.

>>5024657 (OP)
CWD is the result of a lack of predators. If we didn't cull them then they'd, through hundreds of generations, begin developing more and more malignant diseases congenitally because they don't have to be fit. You'll find deer that are born unable to walk and die within hours, or deer that live their whole lives hobbling, or ones that become leper-equivalents passing diseases across the entire ecosystem until a single predator shows up (which it will) which will wipe them out entirely.

>>5024959
the human population was pretty steady pre-agriculture
> That doesn't change whether we eat meat or not.
it does because of humans trophic level and the fact that humans need to eat meat to reach peak physical and mental condition and therefore survive

our high trophic level as a predator is a hard stop on how many humans can exist at any one time without starving. agriculture broke this because humans can still avoid dying by eating too many plants and not enough meat by artificially cultivating the incredibly limited selection of plants they can actually derive nutrition from.

if you really care about the environment encourage everyone to stop patronizing farmers and start hunting instead
>protip: most people will starve because humans are objectively overpopulated

>>5024668
I'd rather the quick and violent end over the slow agonizing pain of starvation

>>5024657 (OP)
Yeah and fuck cats especially. I'd much rather have disease carrying herbivorous rodents with no natural predators infesting every inch of human settlements instead. #govegan

>>5024973
Cats don't control rodents tho. Especially not where people live. Only sanitation and terriers do.

>>5024930
No it isn't. Hunger is hardly even pain. And after the first few days it just goes away and you get sleepy.

t: have actually starved innawoods unlike you pampered dandies

>>5024931
Yes they do. And more people are rejecting meat. It's not going to stop. Deal with it.

>>5024961
No it isn't. Once again, this is another problem humans caused. The government (big surprise) decided to pen mule deer with sheep at fort collins. Why? Well to make sure hunters had enough game to please their bloodlust, of course! Sheep have something called scrapie, which is a prion disease basically indistinguishable from CWD.

That's where it comes from. And that's why it was never recorded until 1967.

Same story with why Yellowstone culls Bison, despite having the largest remaining purebred American Bison herd on Earth (unless one of the offshoots are larger by now). Cattle ranchers gave the Bison (and Elk) brucellosis, then they demanded that Yellowstone kill them to "protect their livestock". Note: brucellosis is a treatable illness and Yellowstone has *talked* about treating it many times, but it will never do shit, because ZOG wants all the animals dead, not healthy and restoring their numbers.

Threadly Reminder: All jewbot does is lie on /an/. All day long. He's just here spreading anti-animal, anti-Nature, pro-lobbying group propaganda literally all fucking day long. Then he replies to himself 20 times going "IKR?".

>>5024966
That's because you've never experienced adversity once in your life. I do agree you deserve a violent rather than a peaceful death though.

>>5024997
>And that's why it was never recorded until 1967.
except for all the historical discussions of it including native american tales of skinwalkers

>>5025008
Okay now you're just being fucking silly.

>>5024995
based starvechad

>>5024657 (OP)
Animals killing eachother isn't evil.

>>5024657 (OP)
I don't want to starve. I'd rather just get eaten or something. Like a quick bite to the neck over weeks of suffering

>>5024995
Bullet to the head or locked inside a cage till you die?

>>5024918
Imagine thinking being Christian is contrarian. Top zozzle
Dont you have some kids to fuck, stop wasting time here

>>5024657 (OP)
Assigning human morality to nature is a surefire way you know youre dealing with a fucking idiot.
OP is a fag, as usual

>>5024657 (OP)
So they still have to be managed by agonising death.
It would be better if their deaths at least sustained a cool predator.

>>5024657 (OP)
Don't be so shortsighted anon. Carnivores aren't evil, deer are just perfection.

>>5025118
I choose to kill you instead. Never surrender to captors.

>>5025120
It is now that the goychurch is losing.

>>5025121
Humans didn't invent morality, reetee. This basica lack of animal behavior shows you exactly what kind of idiot thinks they have the authority to speak on animals and Nature and how they don't know shit.

>>5025128
>managed
This is a propaganda term.

>>5025010
you have a better explanation big boy? you think skinwalkers are real or some shit? Nah it's cwd, it's obvious, and you're insane if you think it's actually skinwalkers being real, schizo.

>>5026125
It's not. Deer have to be managed. They are overpopulated pests that wreck forests and turn it into grassland forever.

>>5024996
>More people are rejecting meat
These same people are also rejecting having children. The future is, again, carnivorous. Humans evolved to require meat to reach peak condition. Forcing people to refuse meat is traditionally how control was maintained over captive slave populations.

>>5026133
It is. Now go fuck off back too reddit, bot. I think they're running out after a few bot bans. They need reinforcement.

>>5026139
>You have to be subservient to all other life because.. you do ok!
Yeah, this is the kind of shit rulers tell to slaves to keep them 1: away from unauthorized alterations to the rulers land 2: to ensure they remain weak and underdeveloped.

>>5026144
What a jewish mentality. You aren't a superior lifeform. Your species won't even exist in 50 years.

>>5026151
Not an argument. You lose.

>>5024668
>a quick but painful end in ~10 minutes
>vs a long and painfulk end in ~24 days
you're retarded.

>>5026122
Humans did invent morality. You're retarded.

>>5026133
>These same people are also rejecting having children
so? this mf thinks ideology is genetic lmao

>>5024657 (OP)
tardbait thread

>>5024657 (OP)
Carnivores are overrated, especially wolves and big cats