>>5027122
>How are these guys still around again?
Snakes are fast and camouflage well with their surroundings and often remain low by accessing tight crevices and spaces thanks to the structure of their bodies. Some even have venom and use that to ward off predators. Snake also have tough leather-like skin so their terrain often has no effect on them. Stop boiling down things to "lol they have no limbs and their long so why don't they get btfo all the time" Actual smooth brain logic just like OP.
>>5027137
Not how tortoise shells work at all. It's deliberately shaped in a way for almost no predators to be able reach in for limbs, not only that but even if their limbs are exposed enough they're often covered in rough armor. Only attackers with the strongest bites such as hyenas, crocodiles or jaguars can shatter them or if you're a smart enough bird like a hawk you can try and drop one from a good height but even that is energy consuming and might not even break it. Turtles on the other hand also have more ways to defend themselves than just hiding. They're fast swimmers and can deliver painful bites. You'll rarely see one come onto land other than laying eggs or migrating somewhere.
>"b-but you they can't flip themselves over"
myth. Only very large tortoises have trouble righting themselves due to their ridiculous weight and their shell shape but even then that is rare outside of mating because natural predators wont waste energy flipping a literal boulder over just for a meal they wont likely get. Turtles and Tortoises have long enough necks and utilize them to right themselves on their own.
