Thread 5032973

What is it about working with monkeys that drives people insane?

>>5032973 (OP)
A true american hero...

>>5033018
A pioneer on the art of tormenting baby macaques for no reason

>>5032973 (OP)
They yearn to retvrn to monke

I miss the golden age of pity. The threads on here were fucking hilarious

>>5032973 (OP)
It was just another case of "scientists" studying something that you don't actually need to study to understand on a basic level.
An infant needs its mother's love. Everyone knows this instinctually. There's no need for tests or experiments.

>>5033056
Yes but do they REALLY need it?

>>5032973 (OP)
This shit looks dystopian

>>5032973 (OP)
You would go insane too if you lived with a BPD woman. But now imagine instead of a woman there is 50 monkeys instead who are all psychotic and screaming 24/7.

>>5033056
>>5033019
There was a justifiable reason and discovery from it that was worth while. The fact that the wire surrogate group was MORE bonded to their "mother" than the non-wire surrogate is alarmingly interesting. You can correlate it to human psychological behavior in the nature of abuse victims and it shows it is not an exclusively human trait but potentially an evolutionary one.

>>5033022
>threads on here were fucking hilarious
Yeah, seeing a baby monkey scream as its eye gets hollowed out by a power drill was hilarious. Those threads can stay dead. After all why did half of those monkeys need to be dressed in infant attire?

>>5033065
>if only you knew

>>5033084
>BPD woman
That's not a real disorder. It's just fatherless behavior.
No father or poor father, both cause the same maledictions in their children.

>>5032973 (OP)
I think you probably need to be already insane to want to work with monkeys. Their closeness to humans filters out anyone who isn't already a psychopath to experiment on them.

>>5033019
>A pioneer on the art of tormenting baby macaques for no reason
Absolutely kosher.

>>5032973 (OP)
The Monkies should have experimented on dirty bastard Harry.

>>5032973 (OP)
Imagine being able to experiment around with what are essentially tiny lil people wholly under your control and authority.
It is about power, silly. Power to do what you want with others.

>>5033110
>No father or poor father
I love how you added "poor father" AD doc because otherwise you'll have countless counter examples, so now you can just decide it's a "poor father" issue instead of thinking. Deciding the results before doing the test.

>>5032973 (OP)
No one sane gets into monkey experiments.

>>5033084
>Yeah, seeing a baby monkey scream as its eye gets hollowed out by a power drill was hilarious
I'm not talking about gorefag shit. I mean when we would all laugh at the bizarre shit the VOs did. Like that guy who's monkey died and filmed like 6 videos of him playing and bathing the corpse while sad music played in the background

>>5033110
>it’s not a real disorder it’s just fatherless behavior
Yeah genius, that’s one of the main things that causes it, do you not understand what “personality disorder” means?

>>5033267
I think it was always going to go to gore to one up, but it was funny when it was just Elsa/Spiderman levels of sus, with Cambodian engrish about it, and all from videos of how macaques themselves are awful to each other. Stealing babies, kiling each other, frankly being put down is nothing to that.

But it didn't end with putting down and filming the freakout. The algorithm needed more, always. Oh well, nothing lasts forever.

>>5032973 (OP)
He was insane to begin with. Monkeys are a good subject for sadists because they have very relatable stress reactions and scream like babies.

>>5033056
Iirc at the time there was a popular view that it's bad to "coddle" babies because you spoil them and it's best to ignore their cries. Resulting in a generation of broken people.

This is what we get when science obsessed "gentlemen" want to redefine child rearing.

>>5032973 (OP)
Scientifically significant discovery but I reckon anons here will agree that he was not well, mentally.

>>5033575
most science is done by mentally unwell people, the ability to unrestrained by morality allows you to make the hard decisions of can i do something than worrying about shoulds

>>5033561
Nothing lasts forever indeed. At least we got a lot of Monkey Mundo threads out of it

>>5032973 (OP)
>Leave Harry to me!

>>5032973 (OP)
ALL I EVER WAS A BABY MONKEY THREAD ON /AN/
FUCK BEING DEAD AND PAN
MAKE EM EARN THEIR PAY, THE JAN'S

IT'S NOT ENOUGH (HOO)
BABY MONKEYS SCREAM AND FLAILING, BUT IT'S NOT ENOUGH
MILLION BILLION PITY MONKEY BABIES, BUT IT'S NOT ENOUGH
SAY YOU WANT THESE THREADS DELETED, BUT IT'S NOT ENOUGH
I HATE MONKEYS BAD, YEAH SOMEBODY GOTTA DO IT
I GOTTA TELL /AN/, YEAH SOMEBODY GOTTA DO IT
YEAH I'LL MAKE A JANNIE MAD, SHIT, WATCH A NIGGA DO IT
HUH, WE SURVIVE, DO IT LIVE, MISS A DISCORD INVITE NIGGA WHAT

They like, 'who hurt him'
It's the Madman from the Madison, repping Tims
This is not a test,
This is hate for small primates, with a pell grant chest
You need momma back, baby, how about some smack, baby
Pay my bills by spreading ills your little I'll crack baby
Teach you something if you need instruction on the plan, baby
Don't put your life in these weird teacher's hands, baby

IT'S NOT ENOUGH (HOO)
BABY MONKEYS SCREAM AND FLAILING, BUT IT'S NOT ENOUGH
MILLION BILLION PITY MONKEY BABIES, BUT IT'S NOT ENOUGH
SAY YOU WANT THESE THREADS DELETED, BUT IT'S NOT ENOUGH
I HATE MONKEYS BAD, YEAH SOMEBODY GOTTA DO IT
I GOTTA TELL /AN/, YEAH SOMEBODY GOTTA DO IT
YEAH I'LL MAKE A JANNIE MAD, SHIT, WATCH A NIGGA DO IT
HUH, WE SURVIVE, DO IT LIVE, MISS A DISCORD INVITE NIGGA WHAT

Hey, turn this Pity off
Ain't want to work for your degree, then don't you get involved
Hey, what, huh, how many should I break? Break them all
Rack a rape, or let them scrape upon Despairing Pity Walls
Who you with? Couple vocaroos and meme threads for the way back
This deevolution is digitized, I fell through on the flip back
Aye, young monkey, set down on the floor, then they vid that
Aye, wack out when they act out, YEAH I DID THAAAAAAAAAT

>>5034249
Aye, what's happening?
I hate these threads, and love these fucking threads, like the Fappening
I still come back to /an/ every now and then i can in
case someone posts a basketcase macaque attack-a-lackin
Jannie feel like he entitled, cuz he blew my favorite thread
Bitch when I got out of job, I end up paid for what I did (Huh)
Yeah he give ban, but he lack big ass Ds
Sic' him with the Sharty, that sounds good to ME, yellin'

IT'S NOT ENOUGH (HOO)
BABY MONKEYS SCREAM AND FLAILING, BUT IT'S NOT ENOUGH
MILLION BILLION PITY MONKEY BABIES, BUT IT'S NOT ENOUGH
SAY YOU WANT THESE THREADS DELETED, BUT IT'S NOT ENOUGH

Ay

Ay
AY!! (Mundo ash in mouth, tho)

MUNDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

JANNIES FEELING PAY, BUT SOMEBODY GOTTA DO IT
GOT THEM MONKEYS GOING CRAY, CUZ SOMEBODY GOTTA DO IT
HEY, TURN THIS PITY OFF, TURN THIS PITY OFF
HEY, TURN THIS PITY OFF, TURN THIS PITY OFF
HEY, TURN THIS PITY OFF, TURN THIS PITY OFF
HEY, TURN THIS PITY OFF, TURN THIS PITY OFF

Ain't no other king in this /an/ thing, like us, bear in
Thought of norms and niggas who fill forms, we MUST scare and
Take a chin of ban of a three day, the jan' won't dare in
form the mods of this holy God, the End to all Karen
(okay the edibles are too strong now so I gotta stop I'll write part 2 never or like maybe in six months when we do this thread again)

million pity for ugly baby. scream terror as he enters a world of pain

>>5032973 (OP)
Do monkeys drive you insane or are the insane simply drawn to monkeys?

>>5032973 (OP)
There's just something about them that makes people want to torment them

>>5032973 (OP)
I remember seeing a video of a man going deep on why monkeys awaken more sadistic pleasure on people. He said most of those people hated human babies and uncanny valley because monkeys resemble humans too much, they act the same and have tantrums like real babies, this trigger their disgust. God I would love all those nigger chinks to upload videos about baby monkeys.

By the way, that dude was a depressed piece of suit that never got over his first wife divorced him and his second wife died, so he he tried to se how much trauma you can heal, how to create a trauma? Of course put the monkey inside a tiny metal box with little light and call it "the well of despair". Dude was a Danganronpa villain.

>>5032973 (OP)
I think you have to already be insane to want your job to involve tormenting what are essentially tiny humans

>“Did you put your monkey into the goblet of fire, Harry?“ Dumbledore asked scientifically.
>”Certainly not, professor! I throw it in a chamber of eternal despair!”

>>5033084
>There was a justifiable reason and discovery from it that was worth while.

And then one day, for no reason at all...

>>5037775
>You can correlate it to human psychological behavior in the nature of abuse victims and it shows it is not an exclusively human trait but potentially an evolutionary one.
Interesting. Maybe it applies to Nazis and authoritarians too?

>>5032973 (OP)
Science is completely amoral, man. You might even say evil if you wanted.

>>5033019
Kek

>>5033056
As psychologist I concurr although science needs validation but yes (there are other examples)
>>5033084
Anon makes tho a great point about anxious attachment or abuse relationships indeed

>>5033569
Another good observation, anon is very smart today

>>5033084
>The fact that the wire surrogate group was MORE bonded to their "mother" than the non-wire surrogate is alarmingly interesting
That's also apparent / intuitive; you nearly admit as much in your next sentence.
>is not an exclusively human trait but potentially an evolutionary one.
So, if it was exclusively human, it wouldn't be an evolutionary trait? What are you trying to say? What does it matter either way?

Science types are all thoroughly neurotic. (You) are thoroughly neurotic. Look at how you have to reply to everything; give you're corrosive little opinion on everything; share every noxious little thought you have.

>>5033056
>Everyone knows this instinctually. There's no need for tests or experiments.
Yet the fact that love and affection are essential for children to thrive only became known in the 20th century, until then kids were only given the bare minimum of care to survive and minimal affection. Hell, giving affection used to be actively discouraged and due to high mortality rates parents used to keep distant to prevent getting attached until children survived past early childhood

>>5032973 (OP)
They are awful, disgusting creatures

>>5038065
>They are awful, disgusting creatures

OK, psycho.

>>5037864
>That's also apparent / intuitive; you nearly admit as much in your next sentence.
No it's not. Being more bonded to something that harms you is not inuitive and nor do I admit to as much. I stated it is observeble in humans, not that it makes sense as to why that is the case. In fact I emphasize it being not exclusive to humans makes it seem like their must be another mechanism to makes this cross-species which is interesting in of itself due to the context of it being counter intuitive.
>So, if it was exclusively human, it wouldn't be an evolutionary trait? What are you trying to say? What does it matter either way?
The point I was trying to make is that these weird complex behaviors are attributed to humans and not typically other mammals. We understand that due to the nature of human sapience our behavior can be irrational, but this study shows this is not exclusively idiocentric to homo sapiens. This indicates a wider evolutionary mechanism at work.
>Science types are all thoroughly neurotic. (You) are thoroughly neurotic. Look at how you have to reply to everything; give you're corrosive little opinion on everything; share every noxious little thought you have.
Lol
Just because I can understand the motivation or significance of the test does not make me a "science type". I am the polar opposite and see it as philosophical tool from aristotle's school which people mistakingly believe is an immutable universal truth to the universe. From from a non-aristotelian lense there is clear distinction between man and beast with "human nature" often being a justifying element, but illustrating that human idiosyncrasies may not actually be as human exclusive as we considered through the scientific method, it's interesting food for thought. I still believe that there is a distinction, but exercises like this help narrow where the line should be drawn.

>>5038331
>dr chudow and is victim
Kek

To me the "Pit of Despair" was not the gratuitous of ALL primate experiments ever conducted, but also was highly informative that unprocessed grief/trauma validates the saying: Hurt people, hurt people. Harry Harlow the project creator, created it, after the loss of his wife that drove him into a deep depression that tainted the professionalism & frankly he should of took leave to not project his trauma to others, because it creates equally tainted data. He used the classic macaques to see how you can used environments to simulate/force violent depression, via sensory deprivation, neglect & lack of social connection to destroy the psyche. If I elaborate more, it'll simply ruin any sane person's day & risk boarding of obscenity territory. In fact Wikipedia (the most recent article) didn't have the heart to elaborate or even entertain the """substance""" of the experiment and it's roughly 2 pages long. I caution that if you decide to research this insanity, respect it as a true crime story, but also for the love of God, keep safe search on to not ruin your week & long-term health.

HOWEVER, there was light at the end of the tunnel as similar to ALL cases of cruelty that's legally recognized it also updated, how primates must be treated to actually get reliable data & actual practical medicine to make it as safe as eating baby-food through progress. I'm simply here to add another smoking-gun, but I also refuse to end a topic without hope as it'll lead to bitterness & complacency. If we don't learn from history we are doomed to repeat it, but it's also by simply knowing that's we KNOW about, we WILL have tools to change, so hope IS through knowing.

TL;DR:

> Be Harry Harlow
> Lose Wife
> Refuse leave
> Create project
> Commit sick-fuckery
> Get called out & cry

> Be sane witness
> Report experiment
> Watch time pass
> Feel happy reading new law
> Sleeps well

> Be me
> Make post
> Feel sad
> Feel happy after edit
> Post & log-off