Thread 5033609

whenever i hear about the evil white mean destroying ecosystems and driving animal species to extinction, i think of the maori instead, who killed off two of the largest birds of our era with nothing but sticks and stones.

>Native people in Oceania and the Americas kill off most megafauna as all humans do when they enter an ecosystem
>this is somehow uniquely bad
>european colonists arriving in these same lands drive many other species to extinction
>this is cool and fine

the maori are based for that, megafauna = reddit

>>5033675
I should be more clear, megafauna = reddit except for invertebrates

>>5033609 (OP)
Whites were uniquely evil.

Shitskins are the only ones who constantly kill the planet every day on a scale not even imageable for most white people

>>5033685
you're right, white people don't use tires

>>5033687
Retarded, low IQ shitskin

>>5033687
gottem.

>>5033609 (OP)
Nearly every Chinese animal is an endangered species. People need to point their fingers at those soulless bugmen.

>>5033609 (OP)
well,natives like they did kill of most of the species within their original territories,but that's it. Europeans not only did the same but they also did it with the species from all the places they came to conquer.

>>5033695
Nearly the entirety of Europe and America is deforested. At least BRICS countries still have natural ecosystems to speak of.

>>5033778
that's straight up lying, both america and europe have still the vast majority of their surface covered in woodland, and they went to great lengths to promote programs of reinforestation and the creation of natural reserves.
BRICSniggers only have natural reserves thanks to the white man, otherwise they would have plundered it long ago. reminder that our governments actively push ecological preservation, while your governments actively pursue the agenda of logging and mining corporations.

>>5033778
>>5033804
forgot pic, stupid faggot

>>5033609 (OP)
>with nothing but sticks and stones
They had agriculture by that point. Which is typically when overhunting happens due to environmental stresses.

Like >>5033666 said, they weren't unique or different from whites doing the same whenever they found a new place to settle or even just for shits and giggles like with the Dodo, and people trying to turn this into a race thing are just retarded. Focus your rage on those who are still actively hurting the environment.

>>5033804
>>5033805
>I'm a stupid retard with ugly pasty skin and I know literally nothing about anything
you coulda saved me the time by saying this instead of that incoherant babbling m8

>>5033843
>China at the top
> 2nd place non west country is India behind Sweden
Knowing how much the CCP likes to astroturf and cherry pick their stats like populace IQ to impress the world I'd take this chart with a grain of salt

>>5033844
>China is always lying but you can trust everyone else
I hate you redditors so fucking much lol

>>5033844
Russia (founding member of BRICS) is schrodinger's west to you faggots, a based westoid bastion if it suits you or a mongoloid hoard if it doesn't.

>>5033609 (OP)
Australia has lost most of its megafauna and that happened between 60-30kya. Most of Asia is the same. The continent this ISN'T true of is Africa (and Antarctica which doesn't really have much terrestrial animal life).

>>5033678
Love how they keep trying so hard to blame climate change for extinctions that humans very obviously caused. Now the cope has become "Well axchually climate change made it easier for humans do do it, so it's still climate change! QED"

>>5033810
That's fucked up.

>>5033872
Africa and South Asia because those two places had megafauna which had evolved alongside humans (and other human-like hominins) for a long time.

>>5033870
That's because genetically speaking Russian's and a few other Eastern Europeans are genetically Mongol Hapa's

>>5033873
>Africans behind everyone as always
kek

>>5033880
In this case that's a good thing.

>>5033880
>Rest of the world used to have mega faunal species weighing 3 tons+ too
Dang

>>5033885
North America had FIVE species of elephant in three different families. Now the entire planet has 2 (3 if you count the forest elephant).

>>5033886
And all five of them were wiped out by the Spanish. What's your point?

>>5033887
>And all five of them were wiped out by the Spanish
wut

>>5033865
Shut up bug, you're not fooling anyone.

>>5033843
>some slant eyed retard spread rumors that sparrows are eating you rice grains
>mass hysteria drives sparrows to near extinction
>invasion of locusts destroys your crops
>50 million starve to death
Lmao at you chinks.

>>5033843
What are the chinese restoring forests because of? And the better question is is this actually happening? Or are they just painting boulders in the desert green?

>>5033865
In the west there's consequences for liars. In China there's prison cells for people who call the government on its lies. It's a systemic differnce.

>>5033905
Lying is a part of the chinese identity. I'm not even joking. And it's been this way since ancient times. It's perfectly normal to fuck someone over and lie to them and the chinese believe if you fall for it, you had it coming.

>>5033609 (OP)
Correct you are. Brownoids have eliminated many species around the world, but only White men have ever bothered to try to make amends via conservation efforts.

Thankfully, more awesome White people, including Director Peter Jackson, are trying to "de-extinct" the Moa bird(s) of New Zealand, thereby undoing the destruction of the Natives, who also genocided still another group of "Natives", none of whom have been there much more than 500 years.

>>5033666
megafauna was killed off by climate change post ice age, humans just finished the few remaining ones

>>5033905
>In China there's prison cells for people who call the government on its lies.
you just believe everything you see on reddit don't you?

>>5033943
China jailing political dissidents is very, very old news. The entire populace disagrees with xi and he will probably be ousted and china turned into a democracy faster than you can say "ww3".

>>5033943
So now the CCP doesn't jail dissenters? Is that how far we're bending over backwards to make propaganda breathing room for chinks to lie about dinosaurs? Jesus fucking christ. Just burn modern science. The (((west))) isn't worthy of it. If you want to go back to the dark ages, I think we should legislate it. Just ban science outright. Everyone's happy. Scientists get to stop hearing morons lie about science and dark age barbarians can go back to swimming in shit.

>>5033944
>>5033952
I don't think every person who's ever voiced dissent against the chinese government is in jail, no. I'm sure they jail some people for stuff like that though, most countries do

>>5034000
>most countries do
See this thing? You don't need to add it to the end of your statement. The comment didn't require a qualifier. There's a reason the term "whataboutism" exists and it's specifically because of russian and chinese propagandists.

>>5034007
the original post I was replying to was saying china is uniquely evil you fucking retard

>>5034010
It is, stupid. That's why adding a qualifier is disingenuous.

>>5034019
oh ok

>>5034007
>>5034010
you must be a blast at parties

>>5033778
That map is a pile of anachronistic feces and extra chromosome wisdom presented as scientific work.
>At least BRICS countries still have natural ecosystems to speak of.
Ahhh, the majestic hills of garbage of Braprat aka India. Train be upon thee, saar.

>>5034102
>India: have gaur, tigers, and dugongs still around
>America: bison are nowhere to be found except in small reserves, jaguars are entirely extirpated from North America, and steller's sea cows have been completely wiped from the planet

Think before you talk Jebediah

>>5034220
>bison
Why would we want bison? They're worse cattle. Anywhere bison live, cattle can live, and provide us with food.
>Jaguars
Good fucking riddance.
>Sea cows
The only ones we miss

>>5034221
>uhhh why would we want a random knock-off cow species to exist in its natural environment when we can just use our domesticated cattle from the old world instead????
white man's mindset

>>5034222
>you have to worship the untouched nature saaar it is the gods saaaaaar! you can not change the nature saar!
Pagan thirdie oogabooga mindset.

We removed jaguars and wolves
Some forests receded
Some grasslands expanded
There were more deer
There were far fewer people dying randomly in the woods
It worked out just fine

>>5034225
>Pagan thirdie oogabooga mindset.

>>5034227
I'm not even christian. Untouched nature worship is just thirdie oogabooga shit.
>inferior, undeveloped human: omg the nature spirits... we must preserve this... it is le magic. let us stand back and admire it and feel the magic.
>superior, developed human: this ecosystem is shit. there are too many wolves and not enough deer. let's admire it after the fucking wolves are gone and I can walk my dog in peace.

>>5034228
The problem with "untouched nature worship" is it ignores that nature itself rapidly changes and only VERY recently has Humanity had any capacity to affect it in any meaningful way. But at the same time there are species which are capable of rewriting entire landscapes, and these get completely ignored.
If Humans create a grassland like they did in the Scottish Moors, oh my God what a tragedy.
If Mammoths create a continent wide steppe by bulldozing every tree in sight, holy shit that's heckin awesome! Go nature!

>>5034221
why not just be racist for generic reasons? why pretend that you care about preservation and the environment just to abandon that stance immediately?

>>5034241
it's almost like humans have a choice in whether or not they fuck up nature retard

>>5034244
Caring about preserving the environment doesn't state whether or not the environment is unmodified

Just that a functioning ecosystem is there to begin with, rather than a stream of sewage and trash like the ganges

>>5034245
>just stop having civilization DO NOT CHANGE NATURE AT ALL
Or we can change nature and have both civilization and nature at the same time

Or we can have no conservation at all and just indiscriminately bulldoze and pollute fucking everything. Would you like that? Because it's what you get when you push "DO NOT CHANGE NATURE AT ALL" as the only real conservation and then get BTFO because nobody is cancelling civilization because you think one out of a million possible states is the best just because it was there JUST before humans landed.

>>5033940
No it wasn't.

>>5034222
Jews aren't white.

>>5034225
>Let me seethe!
>I need to seethe!
Sir, this is the animals and Nature board.

>>5034270
>its da jooooooooz, specifically, the jews i cherry picked
"pagans love nature"
ritual rape and sacrifice of animals
"jews hate nature"
founded most animal rights and conservation orgs

>>5034272
You're literally a jew. You said it yourself. I'm just explaining to lurkers WHY your kind hate animals and Nature so much.

>>5034272
>founded most animal rights and conservation orgs
Oh is that so? Then why are you constantly whining about Nazis doing it? Good ol' pilpul gets em every time, huh?

Not anymore. Sorry, honey, boomers are dead.

>>5034274
>You're a jew
I'm not

>>5034276
>You whine about nazis doing an animal rights
No I don't

You have schizophrenia

>>5034272
>jews founded nature conservation organizations
Yeah it's called money laundering. Jews rape kids and have for 2,000 years. They are not israelites. They are caananite-baal worshippers who raped and caanan-baalized babies. (Cannibalism)

>>5034280
Sweaty, we already saw your posts in the thread. Don't try to back out now.

Since we know how to clone plants and animals, we should just focus on maximizing human potential and keep databanks of the planet's species so we can bring back any species we lose if we need to. Then in the meantime we can maximize the advancement of our species, knowing anything we do to the ecosystem we can undo when we want to. Or maybe we don't, maybe we just remake Humanless Earth on another planet and maximize the potential of our home as the dominant species. This isolationist psychology of environmental protection to the point of shooting people's pets for being the wrong animal to own is nutty, and it bleeds out into every interaction with nature another fight with beuracracy and big government.

Ecofascism is stupid, I should be able to own a raccoon and make youtube videos with him and breed domestic friendly ones that like hugs and cuddles.

>>5034287
>Anon is schizophrenic
>immediately accuses the other person of schizophrenia
Yup, you're talking to a real jew

>>5034289
No. The harm that you do to living things is not "repaired" because you clone a pet later. There is a cost you must pay.

>>5034290
Echolaliabot at it again. Are you literally capable of anything but "no u"ing?

Just for clarity I'm a 3rd Anon, and the jew is the schizo.

>>5034287
>>5034284
Are you genuinely schizophrenic? Who's this "we"? You and the 10 other people in your skull?

>>5034297
You're replying to two different posters, so I would imagine that alone comprises a "we".

>>5034298
>its da jooz
>jooz hate nature
>muh paganism
>there, modifying ecosystems is NOT allowed
Sorry, but, the wolves will be culled, and the maulings of hikers, dogs, and livestock will come to an end.

>>5034301
NOOOOO the pretty trees will be replaced with pretty grass and there will be less foxes and more birds!!!! NOOOOOO

>>5034301
>Sorry, but, the wolves will be culled
Good. It was humans that threw domesticated wolves into the American wilderness to begin with. They shouldn't have done it.

>>5034303
Oh, you dont understand. I'm talking about the native wolves. Everywhere.

Total wolf death.
Coyotes too.

>>5034304
That's fine too. Canids are basically parasites. They caused a minor extinction event when they first evolved. I won't stop you. In fact, most Canids are already slated for eradication.

>>5034292
>There is a cost you must pay.
No there's not lol.

>>5034306
>Canids are parasites
Oh no, they're wonderfully functional parts of ecosystems. They maintain forests. They keep herbivores from overpopulating.

But we have chad hunters now, and grassland is easier shooting, so, buhbye.

>Canids slated for eradication
They aren't. Just wolves and coyotes in first world countries. Thirdies have to keep theirs. They were never going to build enough civilization for them to be in the way over there yknow. And we actually need more dogs. And by we need more dogs, I mean pitbulls and chihuahuas are only dogs on a technicality and must be replaced with real dogs.

>>5034306
>canids are basically parasites
Just wolves

Superior, more evolved canids herd your cattle instead of killing them all for no clear reason. Soon they will even pay taxes.

>>5034312
I don't own cattle. And ranchers are subhuman abominations.

>>5034313
>I don't own cattle
Then you are subservient to those who do, or subservient to those who do and malnourished.
>Ranchers are subhuman
Ranchers are the best humans, actually. Hunter gatherers murder random animals that don't want to die. Vegans are basically hominid vermin on the fast track to devolving back down to tiger food. But ranchers and farmers are the most basic unit of civilization and the only humans who actually make a genuine moral commitment to their food instead of just wanking about it and theoretical vegan ayliums in their imagination.

>>5034314
Keep running your mouth, boy.

>>5034316
>vegans cherry pick eceleb fitness to argue about nutrition
yet more proof the human brain does not fully develop or function without meat

>>5034316
>even in the age of excess vegans cant get enough nutrition
Just eat less food and still eat meat. Wala. Lean. Imagine eating sawdust so you can still be a glutton lol.

t. Carnivore, perfect health

>>5034321
>is fat

>>5034344
i’m 6ft 145lb ya nutrient deficient cultist. brb eating a chicken.

>>5034333
>wala
you mean voila?

>>5034386
I hole-hardedly agree, but allow me to play doubles advocate here for a moment. For all intensive purposes I think you are wrong. In an age where false morals are a diamond dozen, true virtues are a blessing in the skies. We often put our false morality on a petal stool like a bunch of pre-Madonnas, but you all seem to be taking something very valuable for granite. So I ask of you to mustard up all the strength you can because it is a doggy dog world out there. Although there is some merit to what you are saying it seems like you have a huge ship on your shoulder. In your argument you seem to throw everything in but the kids Nsync, and even though you are having a feel day with this I am here to bring you back into reality. I have a sick sense when it comes to these types of things. It is almost spooky, because I cannot turn a blonde eye to these glaring flaws in your rhetoric. I have zero taller ants when it comes to people spouting out hate in the name of moral righteousness. You just need to remember what comes around is all around, and when supply and command fails you will be the first to go. Make my words, when you get down to brass stacks it doesn't take rocket appliances to get two birds stoned at once. It's clear who makes the pants in this relationship, and sometimes you just have to swallow your prize and accept the facts. You might have to come to this conclusion through denial and error but I swear on my mother's mating name that when you put the petal to the medal you will pass with flying carpets like it’s a peach of cake.

>>5033880
It also helps that African megafauna co-evolved with humans.