Thread 5034867

how smart are they?

>>5034867 (OP)
smart enough to count, to plan, to recognize

>>5034867 (OP)
Monitor lizards and tegus are generally considered the smartest lizards, probably more intelligent than cats

>>5034867 (OP)
idk

>>5034872
How do they compare to crocodiles?

>>5034874
same level or more

>>5034867 (OP)
They're not and it's okay to wipe them out because boomers like them and they're mindless eating machines.

>>5034872
Why aren't skinks considered smart?

>>5034898
Most lizards outside monitors are as dumb as rocks.

>>5034891
>They're not [smart] and it's okay to wipe them out because boomers like them and they're mindless eating machines.
Are you talking lizards or americans? It's hard to tell.

>>5034891
Boomers hate them. Every video you see of a Komodo dragon on facebook has comments filled with old hags complaining about how disgusting and evil they are

>>5034918
People just hate reptiles in general unfortunately. Unless you're a turtle or even a crocodilian in some cases you're gonna be loathed.

>>5034867 (OP)
I don’t think there is a single animal as misunderstood as these. Sure they’re gory predators, but that doesn’t make them any worse than traditionally cute things like bears and wild dogs. They’re pretty docile and there’s a lot of myths about the toxicity of their bite and how they hunt

>>5034922
Looks pretty cute

>>5034920
Untrue, people like herbivorous reptiles too. I've never seen anybody speak ill of iguanas.

>>5034920
>>5034957
Forgot picrel

>>5034957
Except the people who have kept one or live anywhere near them.

>>5034963
Nobody likes invasive species but Floridians don't matter, and people being retarded enough to keep wild animals as pets just shows how popular they are.

>>5034957
>>5034959
Iguanas, beardies and geckos seem to be the exceptions when it comes to lizards.

>>5034968
chameleons too

>>5034900
rent free

>>5034979
>exterminate all the ugly useless undersirables
Then we'd have to kill your mother and 99% of humanity

>>5034987
Also mandatory senicide for anyone who even so much as grows a gray hair or gets a single wrinkle on their face

>>5034979
What causes this degree of confident retardation?

>>5035003
Derivatives of the Nazi's eugenicist view and Nietzsche's "Man is God" philosophy
The feeling that one needs (and primarily ego) to place himself as judge of mankind even though he is only a man himself

>>5034918
If boomers had their way (more than they already do) the entire world would look like a Walmart parking lot, they can't die fast enough.

>>5035027
Gen X is just as bad, and I have no reason to believe that millennials won't get worse as they age.

>>5035029
fr fr no cap bruh crashing out folding and glizzys nigga

>>5035045
You're not black stfu

>>5034979
Fun fact: guy at the bottom larps as a french fascist but half of his retweets are in arabic.

>>5035008
Except nazis were nature freaks. For talking shit like that Göring would send his goofy ass to a concentration camp. "Lets destroy all animals but cattle" was at one point a left wing position.

>>5034867 (OP)
Smart enough to recruit minions

>>5034872
>probably more intelligent than dogs
FTFY

>>5034867 (OP)
i suspect they're actually quite dumb simply because they dont need to be smart to survive. usually smarter animals developed brains out of necessity.

>>5034872
>cats can count to 7
>savannah monitors can count to 6 and aren’t even close to being the smartest Varanids
Holy shit it’s real

>>5035048
Most modern self-proclaimed "neo-nazis" are more in the vein of nazbols than German national socialists (disregarding that half of them are just glowies). They also have barely anything to do with the classical definition of right-wing.

>>5035090
If they're more intelligent than dogs then they're more intelligent than cats, since dogs are way smarter than cats

>>5035091
I suspect you're actually quite dumb

>>5034918
I know you're just here to lie, as I'm here to spread the truth. Were it not for boomer tourists, these satanic live feeding events wouldn't happen and nobody would be around to record them. Video recording devices are not a naturally occurring phenomenon. And goats aren't native to Java.

>>5035156
>The reptile freak is an animu tranny
Literally every single time. We have to get rid of trannies and pedos.

>>5035102
left side bottom reminds me of that roboraptor toy from decades ago

>>5034867 (OP)
could they do my taxes for me?

>>5035137
Retarded dogredditor

>>5034867 (OP)
Smarter than cats

>>5035003
That clip is so much funnier now that I know his head twitches are a breeding signal. He’s so horny he’s trying to get with himself, lmao.
>>5035206
Idk where you came from back in 2021, but you need to go back. You’ve posted this shit hundreds of times over the last 4 years. This isn’t healthy or intelligent behavior.

>>5035156
Perentie superiority makes toxo zombies furious

>>5034918
>>5034920
My mother always loved reptiles and herps. The only ones she doesn't like are snakes and crocodilians

>>5035102
How do you test how far can animal count?

>>5035172
Your gay board lost (twice)

>>5035444
That's a good question. I assume by using the same training techniques you would with a dog.
>Puts paw on several objects
>Give it a reward for doing it the amount of times the trainer wants

>>5035444
> SAMUEL S. SWEET AND ERIC R. PIANKA REPLY: We based our statement about monitor counting on recent experiments on captive white-throated monitors (Varanus albigularis) by John Phillips, an investigator at the San Diego Zoo. A lizard was fed snails in groups of four. Each snail was placed in a separate compartment connected to three others within a chamber, and the compartments were opened one at a time to allow the monitor to eat the four snails. On finishing the fourth snail, the lizard was allowed into another chamber containing four more snails.
>After such conditioning, one snail was removed from some snail quartets. The lizard reacted by searching extensively tier the missing fourth snail, even when it was free to move on to the next group. Similar experiments with yawing numbers of snails in the groups showed that the monitors can count up to six. With groups larger than six, however, the monitors seemed to stop counting: they merely classified them as "lots," eating them all before moving on to the next chamber. Such an ability to count probably evolved as a consequence of raiding nests of reptiles, birds, and mammals, because the average clutch or litter size is about six.
It was a white throat and not a savannah but the same still applies

>>5035444
Fun fact: Most humans can only "instinctively count" to 4 or so. Higher numbers require the mind to make conscious intervention in its own processes. Innate counting ability isn't actually general intelligence, consciousness, etc, it's a hardware skill like extra short term memory or faster visual processing that can enhance consciousness but doesn't imply it.

Particularly lucky humans have an innate comprehension of the number seven. Most people comprehend seven as four and three.

>>5035156
Based perentie

https://twitter.com/AmazingSights/status/1738380784233566597?s=19

>>5035597
>however, the monitors seemed to stop counting: they merely classified them as "lots,
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 ... oh fuck it I'm not human I'm never going to school anyways *Gulp*

>>5035612
I thought that was only for looking at a number of objects and immediately telling how many there are. Counting one by one is different

>>5035199
Roboraptor > robosapien

>>5035689
Damn, there's enough salty catfag comments there to make a collage

>>5035689
Going into a normalfag comment section of anything animal related that isn't cutesy bullshit is like stepping into a nuclear reactor, it genuinely upsets me just how fucking stupid the average person is.

>>5034867 (OP)
probably smarter than most bulbasaurs

>>5035689
>all that seething in the replies

>>5035689
My only concern is if this video is staged or not. Too many videos on jewtube of people throwing baby goats to dragons and of course million pity monkey abuse too.

>>5034867 (OP)
probably pretty fucking stupid

>>5035961
That specific one isn’t. It happened on a mine site. The Komodo dragon videos are frequently staged because they’re easy to do and get views. Komodo dragons are everywhere on the islands so it doesn’t take long to set up and catch a lizard’s attention. Perenties are few and far between so the chances somebody is going to catch a feral cat and hold onto it until they see a perentie are pretty slim

>>5034922
Problem with these is that they aren't retard proof as dogs/cats.
You gotta respect it, and lizard will respect you back.
If you act like a retard around cats nothing really happens(unless we talk big cats like tigers), but if you are asshole to these guys they can kill you.
>>5035689
Does anyone have the video of group of dogs trying to bully a tegu until one of the dogs gets his leg fucked up? It's always satisfying when the good guy wins.

>>5034968
It's because they are common enough.
Every kid has had a hamster, so nobody is afraid of them, but throw a mouse in the room, and everyone loses their shit.
I hope that the new generation that is on the internet 24/7 has seen enough cute reptile videos to change their view, so the "not dog/cat therefore bad" boomer view will finally end.

>>5034981
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMzLZWetkJA

>>5036335
Not dog/cat=not friend is instinct.

Dogs and cats were selectively bred to pull at heartstrings that originally evolved for humans. Its why people who eat them tend to be cannibals, back over children twice for the lulz, pisslamic shitholes etc

>>5036443
Birds, you don't have to domesticate them just hatch them and they're imprinted on you for life

>>5036471
>Birds: I love humans!
>Humans: I do not feel a single thing for this motile configuration of matter.

>>5036475
The life of one parrot is worth more than every cat combined

>>5034920
Lizards and Turtles are marketable

>>5035735
>normalfag
You're one too. Unless you're total hermitt or millionaire.

>>5035689
Beautiful kill

>>5035689
I know its literally dying but why is it not struggling at all? Its feet are right next to the neck, prime for shredding.
This really seems like someone's pet. It just sits there weakly moaning for help, no survival instinct at all

>>5036317
>Problem with these is that they aren't retard proof as dogs/cats
That’s fine because there are next to no Komodo dragons in private hands and those that are usually die before they grow large. Most people who have one have a smuggled baby dragon so any attack is deserved

>>5036762
Perenties in particular eat a lot of venomous snakes and smaller monitors, their skin is very tough. But even if the cat were to try the monitor will just start thrashing around to prevent injury to itself

>>5036766
The cat knows none of this though???

>>5036767
It does struggle. As soon as it puts up a fight the lizard throws it around to stop it. Also it’s probably exhausted and bleeding out by this point

>>5035206
This

>>5035689
Another W for reptile chads

Maybe about as smart as domestic cats, but dumber than any caniform mammal.

>>5035689
We need to introduce perenties to America

>>5034867 (OP)
Not very smart, dont gotta worry about us yes

>>5034871
But are they smart enough to consent?

>>5035689
>all that seething in the replies

>>5034898
Because they don't look smart.

>>5037545
Do chimps and elephants and corvids look smart to you?

>>5038068
elephants and corvids, yes.

>>5038076
How does a corvid look more intelligent than any other passerine?

>>5038076
Elephants look retarded and eat their own poop

>>5038658
What animal doesn't eat their own shit at this point?

>>5038085
it's more the way they act than the way they look.

>>5038068
It's funny because chimps are the smartest of the animals named but they look ugly and retarded

>>5034867 (OP)
They're reportedly quite docile when raised by humans

>>5034920
>Crocodilians, Turtles, Birds and Dinosaurs are consistently liked
>Lizards and Snakes are almost always the source of reptile hatred with a few harmless species being exceptions
It starting to sound like it's a lepidosaur problem and not a general reptile problem.

>>5040826
Which lizards are widely disliked?

>>5038670
Dogs

>>5042536
Anon I hate to tell you this…

>>5035689
Catsisters....

>>5034979
I agree. Snakes and komodo's should get the bullet.

>>5044844
Nah, only cats

>>5034872
>smartest lizards
so slightly dumber than fish

>>5035612
I searched a bit about this innate number sense, it's something that I discovered a few years ago while working a handling job where I had to stack and count items all the time, with little time to spare. I noticed that up to five, I didn't have to count at all and the number was just a raw shape of which I immediately knew the value. For example a certain item had to be stacked in lines of 17 and it was 24 columns high, in an instant my eye would go five-five-five-two by five-five-five-five-four and only then process it into 17x24, and then probably something like 17x20 +2x(17x2) = 340+2x34 to count them. Or maybe something like 24x(10+5+2) = 240+120+48. Think of three, never needed to count to three, it's just there, like left and right or up and down, (3) is unmistakable like 1 or 2. Doable up to 5 without a doubt, and then 6-7-8-9 are just groups of 3 and 4, very quickly I was seeing 9 quite clearly, either as dot dot dot, or four-one-four, which was useful to count since 9 is almost as good as 2 or 10 when it comes to multiplication. Anyway, I didn't know it was called the number sense, now I have a word for what I thought of as feeling a number intuitively.

>>5035689
Large monitors are not only smarter than cats but higher predators as well

>>5034872
it's hard to do comparative measurement of animal intelligence but non-avian reptiles in general are severely underrated. I'd say varanids are definitely more intelligent than raptors and crocs are probably close to parrots.

crocodiles imo are mentally more like mammals than they are like most squamate reptiles. Most squamates are retarded but varanids are an exception.

>>5040826
>>5041063
geckos tend to get a pass on the lizard hate because of the kawaii eyes. snakes are way more hated than lizards in general though.

>>5035167
>I'm here to spread the truth.
Then why would you say that goats aren't native to Java when that is a halftruth at best? Goats arrived in the archipelago about 2500 years ago, millennia before Javanese was even a language. Old Javanese is attested from the Medang period. That's the 800s AD. Goats were already well established by the time the concept of Java existed. There has never been a Java without goats, you silly, misinformed goose.
As penance, you should feed your arm to a komodo. And record it as it happens.

>>5035167
>>5048256
>Java
Did neither of you consider that Komodo dragons don’t live in Java?

>>5048259
That's nice, sport. Point out the part of >>5048256 you think you're contradicting, thanks kiddo.

>>5035167
What part of that is a lie?
>>5048261
You might have missed the point but that isn’t a surprise

>>5048277
That's nice, Schlitzy, but it looks like only point you have is at the top of your skull.
Answer the question you were asked or just don't bother replying.

>>5048390
>ESL
Ah makes sense, you’re brown. I wasn’t contradicting anything about the native status of goats in Java, you might’ve picked up on that if you weren’t retarded. The point was that you’re arguing about Java as if that’s relevant to Komodo (as in the island that isn’t Java) dragons

>>5034872
cats is lizards

>>5034987
>>5034989
this but unironically

>>5034867 (OP)
>how smart are they?
Oh stfu mod. If someone calls reptiles stupid you'll have a meltdown and ban them for a few days and act like they voluntarily left.

>>5048402
That's nice, sweetheart. Wholly irrelevant, but nice.
>ESL
Oh knows! Eye ack sea dent alley oh mitted uh word! Aye sir ten lee moss bee any essel! Mai sea crypts out! Watt will eye doo now?!?!
Sorry, Schlitzie. Your pinhead is still the only point you have. How sad UUUU.
Now run along and play with your dollies. The grown folks're talking goats and dragons.

>>5048517
It’s ok to admit when you make a mistake little guy

>>5034871
smart enough to bite your fucking fingers off

>>5048598
Then do so, Sally.

>>5048802
I didn’t make a mistake tho

>>5034867 (OP)
smart enough to realize that "spear" isn't a spear