Thread 5039854

i just can't. i hate the idea of eating animals, but i like meat too much. in my miserable, lonesome existence the only thing that brings me a tiny sliver of solace is good food, why should i negate myself of that too?

>>5039854 (OP)
You have shit taste in food to be honest. My recommendation is get better taste.

>>5039854 (OP)
You shouldn't. Yer gonna die anyway. No need to act like an nihilistic asshole and fuck everything and anything, but you shouldn't also deny yourself shit in hopes you lived a good life for what some think is good.

Give it a good think, there is no good answer. Accept yourself as you are anon. Less you become a troon.

>>5039854 (OP)
Animals don't care about eating other animals. Meat is free game.

>>5039868
But only human meat.

Some animals barely care about dying. They just care about pain.

Chickens in particular

>>5039854 (OP)
The animal is already dead. Other humans are the ones that killed it. May as well not let it go to waste and give the animal the dignity of being cooked well.

>>5040002
Humans are a better example though. Soilent Green will be so tight.

>>5039854 (OP)
Pick one day a week to not eat meat, I do Tuesday. It's much easier to commit to just one day a week and then overtime you will get better at cooking without meat. Once that happens, you can slowly replace more of your meals.
If everyone on Earth skipped eating meat one day a week that amount of animal suffering in the world would go way down.

Just cut mammalian meat out of your diet. So then only fish/fowl/crustaceans are fair game.

>>5039854 (OP)
>the only thing that brings me a tiny sliver of solace is good food,
lmao same
I hate living

>>5039854 (OP)
I only eat fish and fowl now. I'd cut out the fowl and just eat prawns and fish but my wife would get really annoyed. I justify eating birds and fish because I have killed and eaten them myself before, which makes no sense but...

>>5040187
birds are soulless and you can perceive that nothing is lost when they die
souls were granted only to mammals
the reptiles merely have minds

Have you tried good fake meat? Yeah, it's not exactly like meat, but some brands are tasty enough that the difference to me is negligible.

And, while I'm mostly vegetarian, even I think it's more the suffering that matters than the killing. You could look for some free-range meat, but NOT most commercially caught fish since those suffer in the catching process.

>>5040201
the problem with fake meat is theyre much worse for the environment and are generally a scam overall

>>5040201
suffering based ideology is absurd
>i might have killed that 12 year old before eating them but they didn't suffer and they had minimal economic value
either you value something's life or you don't, and valuing it should be an involuntary emotional response.

normal people simply do not like seeing certain things die, chief among those being other people, followed by animals bred specifically to be companions (behavioral/anatomical cues shared with people), followed by everything else in a scale of declining aesthetic relevance to human group preservation instincts. this is why we have PTSD cases going back to the age of swords and spears but there's occasionally that one guy who enjoys it. he was just born not to be bothered by it.

people with suffering based ideology are either virtue signaling or that guy.

>>5040199
Based and birds are NPCs pilled

>>5040205
Would you care to explain exactly how they're worse for the environment?

>>5040206
It's your picking and choosing ideology that's fucking retarded. It's nothing but convenient sophistry so you can keep doing what you want.

>>5040206
>jew thinks his kosher slaughter which REQUIRES the animal to be fully conscious and hanging upside down while its throat is slit is no different to raising and killing a cow yourself
Truly a foul group of people.

>>5040199
>souls were granted only to mammals
Birds and reptiles are for more civilized and sentient than any savage shitbulls. Do mammaltards really?

>>5040212
>bla bla bla jew
I'm not jewish. I'm just saying, that thinking suffering is all that matters is stupid, not that suffering is ok. You're still killing something.

It's easy to find a decent system where one animal is more worthy of life than another. But I find vegans and vegetarians who focus on suffering range from dishonest to evil. How can dying matter less than suffering? How can a life's value be reduced to a fleeting sensation?

>>5040216
Yes you are. Though you're probably an atheistic jew as all low IQ ones are.

>>5040216
Even if you're not a Jew, that doesn't change the practice. It's trivial to instantly kill giant ungulates with modern technology, including stunning/leaving them unconscious before they meet their demise. Why do we permit cults to hang them upside down by a leg as they bleed out?
>but cattle barely respond even if you shoot their mother with a shotgun!
Sure, due to domestication syndrome. Does that mean torturing them (kosher/halal slaughter) should be allowed when other methods are both faster, easier, cheaper, and cause less suffering?
Notice I didn't even mention the ethics of "meat eating" which is a debate you seem to want to start.

>>5040221
>>5040221
Why are you rambling about kosher slaughter and jews? Are you stupid? Can you read?
>that thinking suffering is all that matters is stupid, not that suffering is ok
>You're still killing something.
>How can dying matter less than suffering? How can a life's value be reduced to a fleeting sensation?
You can't address this you schizophrenic

"Suffering matters more than the dying part" - no? No it doesn't. Even primitive ass hunter gatherers knew that even if suffering was avoided, dying was still the biggest deal.

People who talk like a humane end is all that matters strike me as thoughtless or evil. Simple as. No, death is a big deal. Even if killing a cow is less important than killing a dog and killing a dog is less important than killing a human, there is no sane belief system in which the killing itself does not carry the most weight. It is the end of a life and nullification of anything else that life could have done.

>>5040222
>humans developed an entire class of livestock animals to be docile and brainlessly graze/feed until a human being kills them (their 'express purpose')
>nothing inside a slaughterhouse or the form needs to be regulated because the ultimate 'sin' committed there is the killing itself, there is no difference between raising a calf on your own farm and buying a kosher industrially farmed cow, it's the same 'sin' of ending their life and eating it
>our false religion tells us not to stun or make the animal unconscious when we kill them, so what? the guy killing it commits the sin, my hands are clean!
Plus I guarantee you're not arguing for an abolition of slaughtering domestic cattle.
So yeah - you're either a Muslim or a Jew.
>People who talk like a humane end is all that matters strike me as thoughtless or evil.
Where did I say that was *all* that matters? Why would we purposefully use a barbaric and inefficient matter of slaughter just to assuage the religious ego of desert cultists?

>>5040224
>bla bla bla jews
Causing suffering to animals isn't right because it's displaying and practicing poor moral character. Yes, jews suffer from poor moral character. Who gives a shit. Do you ever stop talking about jews?

I'm saying vegetarians are either not being honest with themselves or are evil. Death is ALWAYS a bigger deal than suffering even if it's a fish. To say suffering is a big deal, death not so much, is an evil ideology.

Killing as if life means nothing is also displaying and practicing poor moral character, if not the poorest.

>>5040226
he never stops talking about jews

if someone said the earth is round, he would blame the jews, and start rambling about how paganism would have prevented deforestation (it wouldn't, central park would just be made up of older trees and people would fuck/sacrifice goats in the middle of it)

>>5040226
>Causing suffering to animals isn't right
Then we should move to ban kosher and halal slaughter.
>Death is ALWAYS a bigger deal than suffering even if it's a fish.
Previously you said
>It is the end of a life and nullification of anything else that life could have done.
But we know the lives of cattle in slaughterhouses live to die and get eaten. In fact, that's the life of all cattle unless they were born in a purely Hindu village or something.
Therefore it's actually up to humans and their red tape to either decide to ban or heavily regulate how slaughter must be practiced.
If we adopt your system then you can kick, whip, flay, and do whatever you want to cattle as long as they die on their own.
>Killing as if life means nothing is also displaying and practicing poor moral character, if not the poorest.
Just because you say a prayer to your false god before you slit the throat of your cattle doesn't make you more morally correct. Unless you are going to turn around and argue that treating cattle well when they ultimately will get killed for food is a nuance that matters?

i need you. Dr. Hidenobu Toriyoshi

>>5040233
>Then we should move to ban kosher and halal slaughter.
I agreed implicitly from the start
>But we know the lives of cattle in slaughterhouses live to die and get eaten.
And killing them is still a bigger deal than anything because they could, in fact, just not be killed. You could set them free. You could not breed them to begin with. A sixth of all edible meat produced globally is wasted. In the US with its factory farming system and love of overstocking retail stores with 5 competing brands, it can be as high as a fourth.
>If we adopt your system then you can kick, whip, flay, and do whatever you want to cattle as long as they die on their own.
"Death is more important than suffering" does not mean "suffering does not matter". You are actually retarded
>Continues to ramble about jews
Are you a chatbot programmed to make jews look smarter than their detractors? Or are you actually this stupid?

My system is that a humane end does not magically justify killing something and make it morally neutral and that saying "well they don't suffer doe!" doesn't magically justify killing, especially not excessive, thankless, and pointless killing.

Your system is being fucking retarded while rabbi yosef smekelberg saves billions by living in your head.

>>5040229
You're talking about more than one person here. Unlike you, we don't have a bot army. Just organic opposition. I'm sorry, but the judaism will stop, friend.

>>5040245
>You're talking about more than one person
You are not more than one person. You are one insane man with severe identity issues.

UNATCO kill phrase: Wolves change rivers.

You are now too angry to reply. G*d bless.

>>5040247
The judaism is going to be stopping, sweetheart. You can post all the bullshit, pilpul and lies you want. For now. I suggest you get it all out of your system, because you're running out of time.

>>5040240
>And killing them is still a bigger deal than anything because they could, in fact, just not be killed.
>You could set them free. You could not breed them to begin with.
This *requires* outside human force. It's easier to convince people that animals in slaughterhouses should suffer minimally before they are killed than to get them all to stop eating meat. You're acting this is a black and white issue.
>A sixth of all edible meat produced globally is wasted.
>In the US with its factory farming system and love of overstocking retail stores with 5 competing brands, it can be as high as a fourth.
Wow, these are efficiency arguments. Almost like I made those before.
>"Death is more important than suffering" does not mean "suffering does not matter".
It's the death of a cattle animal that human beings bred to be docile and turn plant matter into meat. Cattle being farmed and killed for food is something that happens everywhere but places like India.
Thus,, the absolute minimum should be making the conditions where the killing happens less brutal. People aren't going to stop eating cattle until there are many generations of humans that never tasted it and would get a disgust response from the idea of eating it.
>Are you a chatbot programmed to make jews look smarter than their detractors?
Both kosher and halal slaughter involves saying prayer before they profane the animal as it's killed. That's good enough for their ethics, even as the animal suffers beyond what is necessary.
>My system is that a humane end does not magically justify killing something and make it morally neutral and that saying "well they don't suffer doe!" doesn't magically justify killing, especially not excessive, thankless, and pointless killing.
I sure have been defending the practice of industrial slaughter this whole time, haven't I? Will you then put forward the argument that all cattle should be set free and killing them should carry prison time? Doubt it.

>>5040248
>IT ENDS TODAY
>I POSTED A BURNING DEER TAKE ME SERIOUSLY
Lmao

>>5040249
>This *requires* outside human force
You mean self awareness and good character
>It's easier to convince people that animals in slaughterhouses should suffer minimally before they are killed than to get them all to stop eating meat.
I never said to stop eating meat. I said that killing things is an even bigger deal than suffering.
>You're acting this is a black and white issue.
Ironic.

>>5040248
Please tell your boyfriend to stop starving that poor dog

>>5040249
>i killed 4 fish and threw away one so I could eat 5x more flesh than my body requires for optimal health.
>Why would you do that? That's a waste. Does life mean nothing to you?
>THEY DIDNT SUFFER DOE. ARE YOU SAYING I CANT EAT MEAT? JEWWWWWWWS

>>5039854 (OP)
Learn to hunt so you can go get invasive animals like feral pigs to eat. That way you can at least be confident that in killing a feral animal you are helping native species

"cells consume, morty. life itself is wrong, which means death is right. but you can't side with that, so you live, even when it means eating."

>>5040206
I disagree. I would be much more disturbed seeing a person or animal struggle in intense pain than seeing one die peacefully.

About killing a 12-year-old, that's where humans and livestock or wild animals differ in my opinion, and I realize I'm talking emotions. It is sad when a human or pet dies. It is not sad when a random wild sparrow with a maximum lifespan of three years dies and keeps the circle of life going in the process. I'm not sure most birds are going "I'm so sad that life is short and one day I will be gone." I just hope it didn't die horribly when the predator caught it or whatever.

I still think it's better not to kill animals. Like I said, I'm mostly vegetarian, and I don't go out buying even free-range meat even though I suggested it to OP as a way to reduce suffering since they don't want to give it up entirely. Just, suffering matters more.

>>5040456
i would be more disturbed by death but also disturbed by suffering.
>suffering matters more than death
evil.

one single cow put down peacefully at the end of a decent life on a ranch can feed a family of four people who eat objectively too much meat for an entire year. on a healthier diet, one cow can feed twice as many people partially feed their dogs. honestly, it's better than eating fish. i know the cow barely cares about dying. i know entire herds will stand there and watch while their friends are shot with silenced .22s while dogs and cats will fight and flee like people, but i still know that given the innate warning that they are in danger (pain) the cow would still choose to live, and thus, does, despite being too dumb to understand what must seem like people falling asleep and disappearing to them.

>>5039854 (OP)
Good news: animals are required for humans to get proper nutrition. Vegetarians can be healthy, but only if they eat lots of eggs or fish.

What if our lifespan is actually in the 200s, but earth has an execution field and decay in graveyards is actually aliens teleporting our biomass into their space fridges as punishment for that one time we transformed the entire native sapient population of the orion orbital colonies into anthropomorphic fox women with dispersed reverse-encoding MRNA sprays

>>5040216
Bros keeping Grandma on the life support, screaming in agony every waking second, because killing is always worse than suffering

>>5040632
go be canadian somewhere else

>>5040207
At least birds don't maul children unlike shitbulls which are mammals.

>>5039854 (OP)
Just buy meat from places you know treat their animals well. There's nothing immoral about eating meat, only animal abuse.

>>5040677
They used to. Thankfully those birds died off 500 years ago.

>>5039854 (OP)
Your dog needs to eat meat, you need to as well. Your dog isn't a monster for being alive, neither are you. In a world where nothing dies, nothing lives. If you hate industrial farming practices, try to find a local farmer or learn to hunt/fish to minimize your support of such industries, maybe get some backyard hens. You aren't wrong for wanting to be alive and enjoy life, don't let psychos gaslight you into hating existence.

>>5039854 (OP)
>i can't be a vegetarian
You don't have to.
>the only thing that brings me a tiny sliver of solace is good food
Learn to appreciate diverse food.
It's possible to eat delicious food everyday while being vegetarian.
You can start by cooking meals without meat more often and you will get the hang of it. Good luck!

>>5040152
>Just cut the (best type of meat) out of your diet.

Yeah I'm sure this will be a great thread. Ironically both keto people and vegetarians both look like late stage cancer patients.