Thread 5041359

>be me
>want a dog
>believe the ‘adopt, don’t shop!’ people
>go to the local animal shelter
>literally 90% of the dogs are pit bulls and pit mixes
>the rest are old dogs that look a week away from death
>check local rescues online, same story
>finally find a young non pit bull dog
>application process and a $300 adoption fee if accepted
>dog gets adopted by someone else while I was waiting
>staff member tells me I’d have been rejected anyway because I don’t have a fenced yard
Currently looking for a breeder because unadoptable trash can pit bulls have completely infested my city and all the shelters are no-kill and basically run by dog hoarders
A breeder is more expensive but at least you get a fucking dog by the end of the process
I just want a dog that can be my little bro and I can take on adventures and shit

>it's another pibbles are le evil episode
We get it. You're a woman or beta male who can't handle a dog. No need to constantly cry about it like a fucking pussy. Go buy a little dog that can fit in your purse or fanny pack and shut the fuck up.

>>5041360
Women and weak men are the ones buying and breeding shitbulls though because they want a scary nigger dog. When they can't take care of them anymore they just get thrown in the shelter.

This entire breed needs to be targeted and destroyed with prejudice.

A final solution to the pibbles question so to speak.

>>5041362
>BAWWWWWWW GUISE LE DOG BARK IS LE SCAWY WAHHHHHHHHHHH THEY ALL NEED TO DIE CUZ IM A WEAK KEK. THEY POSE AN EXISTENTIAL RISK TO MY VERY EXISTENCE REEEEEEEE!
I wish I had a pitbull so I could throw your faggot ass in a room full of them. Simpering little fucking wimp. You being a cowardly bitch doesn't mean a whole dog breed has to die. Maybe your pussy ass should be dead instead if a dog poses that big a risk that you go to these extreme lengths to kill it.

>>5041369
Post hand.

>>5041359 (OP)
bro, you're wasting your time searching through pitpull penitentiary

just get a dog from a byb like anyone normal

>>5041359 (OP)
You should always look at shelters first to see if there's something good worth saving
But again if it's all shit dogs don't feel obligated to get one you'll regret later.

If you buy from a good breeder it's worth it in the long run, the dogs are less likely to have health complications so the money you spend on the original cost will be money you save on vet bills. Also you can meet the parents and see if they have the kind of temperament you want in your dog, especially if they are breeds known for certain behaviors.

>>5041360
>>5041362
>or beta male
>and weak men

>No true Scotsman or appeal to purity is an informal fallacy
>Person A: "No Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge."
>Person B: "But my uncle Angus is a Scotsman and he puts sugar on his porridge."
>Person A: "But no true Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge."

>>5041360
Pitbulls are little dogs and I hate them because they're, may god forgive me for uttering this word, t*rriers

Capital I ME, the man here, do not fear pitbulls, nor would I have problems controlling one. They are the dumbest ugliest shits, barely a dog, bred so you’d never feel bad about beating them into submission.

I fear the liberal woman shrieking and the litigation that will follow when I have to shoot one in defense of my objectively superior dog that was not selectively bred for felony animal cruelty.

And I fear most of all damaging my poor dogs hearing in the process of putting your worthless sub-canine vermin down. I pray to god that silencers will be legal soon.

Total pitbull death.

>>5041359 (OP)
If you want to go on adventures, owning a pet will hold you back considering the extra cost of transporting your pet by plane or finding foreign hotels that accept pets

>>5041359 (OP)
>Believe the "Adopt, don't shop"
These are usually the same retards that would tell you to remove important endocrine organs from your dog before it's even started puberty (plethora of health issues aside, you end up with a malformed, lower intelligence, neurotic mess of a dog)

The idea of giving some poor mutt a chance at life is actually admirable enough, but unless you're an experienced dog owner, you're probably not going to be able to handle the problems that even a well bred dog that got sheltered and wasn't abused may well have accrued from basically being in prison for years. A fresh slate mentally stable puppy is a lot of work, a dog with, best case, some potentially strange behaviours that it's picked up is a lot more.

So a well bred dog from a reputable breeder is the "best" choice, unless you really know what you're doing or are willing to potentially put in a lot of work. Honestly even a shelter APBT is a viable option if you're a single, fit man and you accept that you have a working dog who likely has a modulated prey drive for other dogs

The shelters themselves are at a huge fault too though for marketing "Cupcake" to retarded soccer moms that hopped on the bandwagon to be trendy and think they can snuggle the drive out of a dog (and irresponsible retards that simply mix pits with whatever dog or just let them roam free - ironically they were a safer dog when they were well and truly fighting dogs (owned by ypipo and "dogmen"), as distasteful as the practice is to me, because of the much tighter controlled breeding - human aggressive dogs would often have "collateral culls"; i.e. that dogs siblings would be killed too or never bred just to be safe)

>>5041514
fucking based...

>be me
who else tf wy be?

>>5041359 (OP)
Who would want to be judged worthy to own a dog?
>animal shelter
>application process
Fuck that!
Just get one from craigslist.

>>5041780
Bingo. The idea that I would need to “prove myself worthy” to the self important bozos down at the shelter is so absurd to me I can’t even entertain the possibility of ever adopting a dog

>>5041514
Shoot the women too

>>5041359 (OP)
You could tell us what shelters those were so we can check it out OP? No one here is going to dox you, you're very irrelevant anyway

>>5041359 (OP)
>adopt don't shop
Your country doesn't have shelter dog crisis, it has pitbull and related bloodsport breeds crisis. Worst thing you can do is going to "no-kill" shelter.

It just pisses me the fuck off that my options are either driving 8 hours to another metro area where the balance of other breeds is tilted back towards terriers and chihuahuas, or paying $3k at a breeder to get a dog that’s not a complete piece of shit
I just want a dog I can play with and train and walk with and do dumb shit like put it in a shoulder sling so it can watch what I’m doing
>>5041416
>>5041518
Life long behavioral and health issues stemming from shelter experiences is something I’ve always suspected but I haven’t been able to find details. I always knew “mutts are healthier!” was just a cope
>>5041780
>>5041841
That’s what really pissed me off. Not only were the dogs complete dumpster unsocialized mutts, the application process at the shelters in my city became notorious for rejecting people for retarded reasons. A coworker of mine ran got denied because the dog was going to primarily live outside in all but the most extreme weather, and he ended up at a breeder
>>5041872
It’s BAD in my city which is in the central US. A no-kill shelter got the contract to run animal control in 2020, and immediately abdicated all duties related to capture and neutering sheltered dogs. You could call them that there was an aggressive uncut male dog running around snapping at people or an abused animal chained in a yard and they would completely ignore you until it got posted to social media and they were forced to do something. There was an expose that basically outed them as a pit bull advocacy group (they were responsible for getting the bull ban in the city overturned in 2019) which sounds so absurd to type out but I swear it’s true
In the 5 years they had full control of animal services in the city, shelters went from being a diverse mix of all kinds of breeds to being nearly 100% bull mixes
It took them getting their asses sued off because someone got mauled to death by a pack of pit bulls in 2024 for the city to yank the contract from them.

>>5041885
Funny you mentioned "mutts are healthier" because that's not necessarily even the case genetically/physiologically in practice.

Eventually if you let every breed out in the wild and created a "natural" supermutt that would probably be the case. However the "inbreeding"/genetic health issues are often at this point "fixed" into a given breed, so breeding two or three of those together often just ends up with a dog with ALL the issues present (and even on behaviour you end up with some weird drives sometimes).

It's a bit like saying well piss and shit are bad so if I mix them together I'll average out some of the issues but instead you just get a soup of pissy shit.

What could create healthier dogs is, not intentionally breeding some weird features to make showring freaks for a start, but also the SELECTED outcrossing to perhaps "similar" healthy dogs of a different breed. It was relatively successfully done with the English bulldog (yes technically you get the "linux distro problem" of just creating a new breed) by outcrossing, in a careful manner, some APBT and American Bulldog (about 5-8% something like that of each - probably a little more AmBull) to create a much healthier dog that's still pretty much the English Bulldog in look and "character" but it can go on jog. Obviously just randomly popping in some actual game pitbull to the genetics of a dog is a recipe for disaster if not done right

>>5041518
>APBT
>working dog

what 'work' do these dogs do?

Not that other anon who just responded about the health pitfalls of mixed breed dogs but also you have to understand that a lot of these mixed breed dogs are just genetically fucked because they have traits from two (or more) different dogs that were bred to do very different things. Like if you were to cross an extreme high energy dog like an ACD or border Collie with a lower energy dog, it's possible that the resulting mutt will have the mental drive of the herding dog with the physical ability of a companion dog, leading to far more stress on their less-robust bodies. Or another example is when you see a large dog crossed with a small dog and you end up with a mutt that's legs will give out on it at an early age because its body is too heavy for its legs.

>>5042034
Planned parenthood special operations command

>>5042034
Stop being an obtuse little faggot, you know what a fucking working dog is, irrelevant of the fact of whether you like the "work" or not. The fact that the most common "job" now is post-natal abortions is not the point that's being argued, nigger.

>>5042034
they were made to kill other dogs in organized fights

>>5041882
what i get from this is that cougars are bitchmade

>>5042094
Dog fighting is not work, they have no duty to humans therefore they are not working dogs and it's absolutely retarded to say that they are.

>>5042162
What if you bred a dog to protect toddlers from pitbulls?

>>5042172
Well they already have dogs that do that kind of thing. Shitbulls are not one of them. They're too stupid.

>>5042172
Guard Dogs already exist that'll be violently protective over what they are assigned to protect even if it's against packs of coyotes. Pitbulls are just pretty redundant honestly.

>>5041885
>I always knew “mutts are healthier!” was just a cope
Mutts are healthier when it’s some third world street dog with 100 years of mutt ancestry and no definable breed traits. Mutts that are just a cross of two or three breeds like what you find in shelters are not healthier

>>5042200
The real problem is every single dog breed now is packed full of genetic disease because of overbreeding, none of which magically go away just because you outbred them once.

>>5041369
You sound brown

>>5041359 (OP)
I had a similar story with the same pit bull and ancient dog issue. My local shelter had an non-refundable application fee, an adoption fee, required to inspect my home and interview the people that live there. My family ended up at a BYB instead and $500 later we got an 10 week old husky. Ironies of ironies, at the time, I was totally okay with getting a pit bull because I hadn't considered PTSD can affect most mammals and genetic memory is real.

I just checked the website and they don't have the application fee anymore and the adoption fee is only $65 now. The wording is now they would prefer to inspect the home and interview my family instead of a hard requirement. Not sure what happened in the 10 years since I tried to adopt and not shop.

Our husky has 2 cancers, but is she STRONG. I give her 5 years max left: Even then, 10 years for a husky is decent. I will not consider stepping foot in a shelter because of my experience. I will visit another BYB to purchase a dog no questions asked.

OP, I hope you find the perfect dog for you at a back yard breeder or a family friend that just happened to have puppies. Fuck shelters.

>>5042162
>Ayo y dis yteboi keep axin me di shit and sayin I din have brickfuss
Again, you're being an intentionally obtuse redditor or you're an actual nigger. You know what a working dog is, and the fact that you don't like the "work" or if the dog even does a job is irrelevant. It's a bad analogy (because (English) Bulldogs are actually entirely showring dogs) but the original bulldog would still be a working dog whether you like the idea of bullbaiting or not

>Umm it's not an ape because it's a chimpanzee

>>5042201
They think they can fix inbreeding going on since the 1900s because they just like their dogs with shorts life-spans so much

>>5042252
This argument is retarded and I am agreeing to disagree.

>>5041885
Literally looking for a chihuahua on Petfinder right now and one named Avocado popped up
>puppy
>labeled a “chihuahua mix”, doesn’t look like one at all
Last picture in the listing has their DNA breakdown:
>27% American Pit Bull Terrier
>24% America Staffordshire Terrier
>13% Chihuahua
>12% bulldog
>6% Siberian husky
“Chihuahua mix”

>>5042279
LMAO pic or link?

>>5042280
You can’t make this shit up

>>5042282
what are you seething about? it states the breeds right there

everyone ITT needs to be put down, bunch of frothing at the mouth apes. my disgust is immeasurable and my day is ruined.

>>5042296
Total pitbull death is coming
You will not be spared

low t thread

>>5042309
you should talk to your doctor about that then

>>5042113
Cougars aren't known to kill their prey is the reason.

you're a disgusting person. I hope a pit bull comes after and kills you one day. seriously wtf is wrong with you this is literally the definition of racism

>>5042326
whats wrong with racism

>>5042326
Humans weren't selectively bred for an unhinged, unnatural form of violence

Imagine a government supersoldier program that bred men with a killing drive rarely seen among humanity. Men who don't fight for justice, men who don't fight for self preservation, men who don't fight to make a point, men who don't fight to put someone in their place - men who fight because they want to kill and eat their enemy - and they're fucking starving. The most ravenous, desperate soldiers to ever see battle. The most bloodthirsty and uncontrollable people on earth. And yet, as long as they know they have easier access to food elsewhere, they won't turn on their master, or commit many crimes like a normal aggro fuck.

That is what humans did to pitbulls.

>>5042282
Lmao I looked it up
That litter of shit-tier pups doesn’t show up when you filter for any bull breed variant, only when you search for Chihuahuas
Some soccer mom is going to get her kid killed when she adopts one of those turds thinking it’s going to be a 16 pound dog and it grows into a hyper aggressive 70 pound one
>>5042326
>this is literally the definition of racism

>>5042316
Livin the dream

>>5041359 (OP)
Let me guess, the shitbulls have no adoption fee and you practically have to check your trunk to make sure the shelter didn't stuff a dozen in your car before you leave.

>>5042405
More or less
Even on petfinder I found the pit bull listings have no mention of adoption fees but on desirable breeds like dachshunds and terriers have prominently listed $300-500 adoption fees
Wait, are the desirable ones subsidizing the shit breeds?

>>5042440
The pitbull lobby is literally owned and operated by an offshoot of a satanic cult. Did you expect less?

>>5042316
>CaliFornication

>>5042441
Considering they literally look like hell dogs from Ghostbusters I’m not surprised

On a related note, why is it impossible to find chihuahuas that actually look like CHIHUAHUAS anymore? They look like either bug eyed freaks or stupid teacup purse dogs

>>5042441
Do tell!

>>5041359 (OP)
The pitbull mix my parents refuse to get rid of is the reason I refuse to touch dogs anymore because I can't shake the subconscious fear that they're gonna fucking snap and bite me with no warning like he did.
Fucker's bit everyone in the family at least once and they don't get rid of it. Blows my mind.

>>5041359 (OP)
Adopt don't shop is bullshit. Buy from a real breeder.

>>5042490
If you want a chihuahua that's bred to standard, you're probably going to have to go through breeder who actually shows dogs. Find some AKC dog shows (ideally one that has a chihuahua specialty, or at least check the entries ahead of time to see how many chihuahuas will be showing) on Infodog, go meet some breeders and chihuahuas when they're not in the ring or getting ready to show, and make some breeder contacts. You will likely be paying somewhere around $2000-5000 for a puppy from a good breeder who shows and does health and genetics testing. You'll probably have to wait anywhere from a few months to a year or so for a puppy. Retired show dogs that won't be bred can be a good and cheaper option.

>>5041360
nignog detected

>>5042504
post your small wrist

>>5042503
My only issue with AKC is their standard is apple head chis and those undoubtedly end up having breathing issues
I’ve always preferred deer head but those aren’t breed standard according to AKC

>>5041844
>officer she was charging right at me
>the dog?
>no, the owner

>>5042329
your assumptions are so wrong most pitbulls are agressive and if they are the previous owner just neglected the dog. even if that was true that doesnt make up an excuse to exploit the genitals of an innocent animals for self gain .its fucked up to forcefully bring someone into this world only for the purpose of self gain

>>5041360
Woman is the nigger of the world. Pitbull is the nigger of the dog world. Manny such queso.

>>5041362
This. Dog eugenics is standard operating procedure. The American pit bull terrier has outlived its use and should be eradicated. Feed them live to apex predators at the zoo. Or just euthanize them on the spot.

>>5041518
>These are usually the same retards that would tell you to remove important endocrine organs from your dog before it's even started puberty

Usually it’s vets that suggest this. In the case of large female dogs, vets suggest to wait until they’re older or have their first heat before being spayed

Shelters/adoption groups probably suggest dogs to be spayed/neutered for the same reason they require you to have a fenced in yard. They know most pet owners are absolutely morons and don’t want their dogs to have accidental litters that will just end up re-filling shelters, thus continuing the cycle of poor dog ownership. Since they want dogs to have a home, they’re adamant about neutering/spaying and a fenced-in yard to keep your dog from fucking with other dogs

>>5041360
Your agonizing death will be a blessing for the earth

>>5041360
>>5041369
you are a retarded subhuman

>>5042654
Stop acting all battered wife over inbred beasts you dolt.

>>5042329
>That is what humans did to pitbulls.
It's sad really. Their Bull and terrier progenitors were essentially space marines of the dog world. Ancient genecraft of crossing now extinct bulldog and terrier breeds to produce the greatest fighting dogs of their age. Strong, agile, relentless with completely altered temperament and prey drive to other dogs. No fear with other dogs and show less pain. The only dogs where other dogs are the natural prey and will punch above their weight with their modified wide strong jaws. Without intervention they would fight on stopping for nothing until they or the other dog is dead.

There are more redeemed purebred descendants like the English Staffy where carefully over time they were made smaller and their temperament dialled back for the show ring and actual reproposing as a family dog. I prefer that to what happened in America :(

i got mine through a private party cause the spca is a racket they just soak up gov money to subsidize their business of killing animals and reselling overpriced damaged ones gov pays for all the animal tranny surgeries and death shots but when you come to get a dog they charge you every fucking kibble bite that that dog recieved

>>5041359 (OP)
>SPAY AND NEUTER YOUR PETS
do NOT do this!!!!!!!!!! I just got a puppy, he’s almost a year old, he’s the perfect little dog (sheedog)
I spent a year and a half searching for him, any non-pitbull I could find. There aren’t any dogs. Where are they? They’re all spayed and neutered and extinct. Eradicate shit bulls and spay them, let other dogs fucking breed ffs. I’m not mutilating my dog. Wtf? lol that’s so fucked up.

>>5042309

Fucking cut your dogs nails anon, ffs.

>>5041359 (OP)
Shelters have the most ridiculous rules and hoops to jump through to get a dog. I remember when my parents tried to adopt a dog from the local animal shelter and had them bring their other dog in to see if it was dog friendly. They wanted a husky Shepard mutt and had a full blooded Keeshond. They bring the Keeshond down to the shelter and they stick them both in a room together to see what happens. Obviously, both dogs are anxious and stressed the Keeshond barks at the other dog. They deny my parents on the grounds that the Keeshond is vicious.
There are very few dogs that wouldn’t be scared and anxious when a stranger takes it from their owner drags you to a room and puts another unknown dog in the same room. In the end they bought a husky from petco a few months later. They had no problems with each other.

>>5041360
I will smash your faggot dog's head in with a rock.

>>5042490
they're a dog breed mostly owned by mexicans, what do you expect?

>>5042654
You're in the wrong place you dumb woman, fuck off back to plebbit or Instagram comments sections

>>5042217
what happened is the proliferation of 'Hood fancy has lead to an explosive growth of pit bulls and pit bull variants who inevitably end up in shelters because da pyramid skeem didn't make them a millionaire in three years. Shelters are now so massively overpopulated with them they are trying to get rid of them ASAP. So they create more incentives to try and get unsuspecting middle class whites to come in and adopt them.

>>5041360
you are not white

>>5042326
the pitbull discussion is just a dogwhistle (pun intended) for the negro discussion.

>>5042498
hotdog soaked in antifreeze

>>5042897
since when? it's a Mexican breed but most modern Mexicans larp as black and have either nanny dogs or lowbred rottweilers. The only people I've ever seen own chihuahuas are old spinster white women. They treat them like cats, having dozens of them running around half feral.

>>5042710
Except all PBTs are dogshit as a fighting breed, they're exclusively a bloodsport breed. There's a dozen breeds that eat them alive, from livestock guardian dogs (all European Mastiffs, some shepherds...), dedicated traditional dog fighting breeds (Tosa...), wolf hunting breeds (Borzhoi...) and more. All of these breeds will win 10 times to 1 against an apbt.

The point of this particular breed is to have a tough looking neurotic mess some lowlife from the slums of London can easily train to go psychotic by command and actually kill in a couple months, to have the betting bloodsports be more spectacular. All those more powerful breeds take care and dedication to get to consistently kill an opponent in the ring.

>>5042948
They'll probably beat any other dog breed in their weight class and still damage the larger dogs if they get a hold first. Livestock guardian dogs are significantly larger along with mastiffs so that's understandable along with any other larger dog fighting breeds. Borzoi is a bit of a meme though. Their build was to chase down a single wolf in packs of multiple borzoi and quickly dispatch them with overwhelming numbers just like how other sighthounds are used on coyotes. They're not individual sustained fighters and never were.

>>5042710
The "original" bulldog would be the "Space Marine" (or maybe Thunder Warriors actually - bullbaiting being banned sort of did away with their purpose) whereas the bull and terriers/early pitbull ancestors were purposely bred to be LESS strong/violent/powerful etc because it was infeasible to own one that can no longer do it's job publicly. The dissemination among "lower class" clandestine pit fights made them smaller and t*rrierised because you sure as fuck don't want to have a dog that can actually kill you when you have to get in the pit and referee, plus they're more "compact", "hireable" and more expendable the smaller they are (so the nascently forming pitbull common ancestors would be Imperial Guard in your analogy, Bulldogs would be Space Marines, the "game" Mastiff ancestors of the bulldogs would be Thunder Warriors)

the trick is to live in the south or find a place nearby where so few people live that the shelters pay to have dogs from the south trucked up to them. When I lived in the Adirondack mountains at the top of NY I paid $250 adopted a dog that is mostly rhodesian ridgeback who was trucked up from georgia, now I live in arkansas and we got a puppy 3 years ago from some shoeless hippie bitch that looks half heeler and half german short haired pointer.

>>5041912
people who says mutts are healthier usually aren't talking about one single generation, and it's also an old addage from before the modern world. They used to be called "heinz 57's" like the ketchup, because it was a true gonzo mix of breeds. These days everything is so closed off or boutiqued. It's also why you don't see random cool looking dogs so much anymore

>>5042190
I used to deliver for fedex in the asscrack of nowhere and I would run into a lot of great pyranese. They were the most friendly dogs I ever met even if some of them stood as tall as my fuckin nipples. Intimidating, but so sweet. However if they wanted to fuck something up, it's pretty clear they're probably going to win. Same thing with caucasian shepards except they were usually actually behind a fence because they would have fucked me up.

>>5042266
Lifespan isn't even the real issue. It's shit like hip dysplasia or cancers or eye and nose problems. Your dog dies at age 9, that's a tragedy. Your dog becomes a cripple at age 9, that's expensive.

>>5043021
Here's the guy from Georgia. Definitely some kind of hound but I think its a lot of ridgeback

>>5043021
>>5043039
And here's the suspected heeler/pointer