Thread 5041401

What is to be done about the fake "service dog" epidemic?

just put up a no pitbulls sign, we all know what the real issue is

>>5041401 (OP)
Sounds like some of those states have already come up with a solution. As far as I know you can basically just say your dog is a service dog and you don't actually need any kind of proof, they probably need some kind of registry or something where if it's a real service dog you'll get an ID card or something simple like that. Probably easy to fake but will deter most people.

>>5041417
Not so. A girl I used to work with had a lab and she paid some random shady doctor in cali to diagnose her with some kind of stress condition that needs a service animal
Then she’d take it everywhere and wave some certificate around like an amulet of protection. She even took it on a plane to Stockholm and gave it benzos to stop it going mental on the flight

>>5041401 (OP)
>What is to be done about the fake "service dog" epidemic?
Sounds like states are already making it illegal, which it definitely should be. Passing any untrained animal as a trained one is obviously dangerous.

>>5041486
This story makes the fact that fake service animals are just another flavor of Quackery really clear to me.

>>5041418
Nope. Even that isn't required. They will literally have to change laws because of this shit. The actual laws on the book are very lax, which is why this became an issue to begin with.

>>5041401 (OP)
There's a guy who goes to the same gym as me, lost three of his limbs in the military. His service dog is the smartest, kindest animal I've ever met. It'll roll dumbells over to him when told, immediately comes to him and sits patiently by him while he works out, completely obedient and chill. They're utterly different from the "stress relief animal" or whatever a lot of women call their dogs who've had no training at all and chase after things at a moment's notice.

>>5041418
the laws were written specifically to prevent people with service dogs from getting hassled by wagies demanding ID or whatever. under the current legislation the only things you can legally ask someone is: "is this animal a service animal required due to a disability?" and "what task has the animal been trained to perform?". so a bunch of shameless selfish faggots realized that they can simply lie and nobody can stop them from bringing their furbaby everywhere. This is inevitably gonna fuck it up for the people that actually need service animals since legislation will inevitably change to combat all the stupid karens, so not only are they inconveniencing store owners and other people who don't want to deal with is bullshit they're now inconveniencing the very people this legislation was for

>>5041401 (OP)
The problem is there's no way to verify. If they do deny someone with a service animal that's a major federal lawsuit, so they just say yes to avoid it.

Bums use this claim all the time to bring their filthy pitbulls everywhere.

Bums and fucking old women with their shitty little fucking shit dogs.

FUCK people that do this shit.

>>5041534
I liked these loopholes because airlines force dogs to fly cargo, which often kills them, and yet forces me to sit next to screaming babies and someone named guptal who smells like literal shit and yells at his phone for the entire 7 hour flight.

>>5041532
Oh no, people are just straight up buying fake "service animal" vests for pound shitbulls and taking them into Wal*Mart now. This is a common occurrence at this point. And businesses only allow it because they're afraid of being sued, but some are cracking down on it because the downsides are beginning to outweigh possible lawsuits.

>>5041548
I also agree that jeets should have to fly cargo. They literally wouldn't even mind. They're used to shit like that.

>>5041535
If a "service" dog is acting out it's obviously not a service dog.

>>5041599
The problem is, someone's kid has already been snacked on at that point.

>>5041548
you shouldn't fly with pets anyway

>>5041401 (OP)
My Target has a "no pets" rule but people just bring their pets in anyway and don't even try to disguise them as service animals

>>5041651
A grocery store I worked at was the same way. I would report that shit to the bosses daily, sometimes they would enforce it, other times they just gave up.

if your dog/cat/emotional support horse is well behaved they should be able to be in a restaurant or grocery store. anyone who has a problem with it is mentally ill.

>>5041708
No. I don't want your fucking animal in my store. And if your very existence requires me to accept that baggage, I do not accept your existence. Fucking grow the hell up.

>>5041713
You better watch your mouth, crazy wagie. Before you know it, it'll be the dog's store.

>>5041418
4th amendment violation.

>>5041417
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_NVYnC0FbM
nah. you have dumb fucks like this not just bringing their dogs but bringing it without it being on a leash

>>5041705
I don't allow dogs at my store and have problems with that only once in all this years. I offer people with dogs to help them with their shop from the door, so it's not like they can't have service, so there's that.

>>5041401 (OP)
the answer is very easy. anyone with a service animal is asked "what specific service is the animal trained to provide on your behalf?". this is the ADA requirement and is allowed to be asked. if you can't answer, or answer with a vague concept, its not a legally compliant service animal.
the root problem is businesses don't give a shit about anything but making money and so will happily let people take their stupid fucking "emotional support animals" to piss and shit all over the store as long as the business gets paid

>>5041876
What they're going to find out is broken windows. As more dogs shit and piss in the store and stains build up and employee sentiment because more sour, they'll have trouble keeping staff on hand and will only be able to hire the lowest of the low, which will do a shit job and cause the store to degenerate further. Eventually you'll just have a third world setting with feral chickens running around or the store will close when all the sane customers start avoiding it like the plague.

>>5041729
>C-CONTAMINATED!
This shit rides in the back of a truck in the open air and runs down never-washed conveyors before you even see it I have found birdshit on store produce. It is one of the filthiest things you can touch.

It's an absolute nothingburger, more about optics than anything real.

>>5041401 (OP)
Why are dog owners such dishonest liars?

>>5041976
They're trying to catch up to hundreds of years of disinfo claiming that outdoor cats exterminate pest rodents, cats are smarter than dogs, cats are clean animals, cats are wild animals, etc

Bad dog owners are actually cat people who can suddenly afford dogs

>>5041976
Low IQs + entitlement & sociopathy training in burgerstan.

>>5041486
Yeah I did this so I didn't have to pay my landlord pet rent.

>>5041977
The anti cat schizo can't stop having a meltdown every time anything negative is said about dogs LMAO

the backlash is starting

>>5041995
It's a bot and it doesn't even need any input. It's been tasked with turning /an/ to shit.

>>5041995
Or maybe, catfaggots have been pissing people off by abandoning their pets and posting antidog propaganda?

>>5042009
No, it's just you. In fact, your botposts are probably 80% of the posts on this board.

>>5042012
>schizophrenic catfag confirmed
Many such cases.

>>5042014
>Outs self
>Continues to take a fat curry shit all over the board

>>5042015
There is still hope for you
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4116007/

>>5042021
>Not even denying it anymore.
lmao

>>5041997
Yeah that makes more sense honestly

>>5042021
Yep its paleoschizo.

Cats belong inside. Dogs are smarter than cats.

These two basic facts have destroyed your mental and emotional stability harder than nick longrich destroyed your heterosexuality. Lol.

>>5042033
longrich is a handsome mf to be fair

>>5042037
>travels the world
>discovers new species
What a chad.

>>5042021
Kek, VERY accurate

>>5042021
What are the anti-cat opinions? Is it just literally anything but unconditional praise? I’m evaluating your post history right now and you come off as an unhinged dog hater. You don’t actually like cats. You just use them as a vehicle to post anti-dog shit. Even among my unit, only the squad rabbi is as dumb as you. Dogs and cats are both fine but its just a fact cats do poorly outdoors and dogs are smarter, and indoor dogs are cleaner than indoor cats. I own cats myself. Their low intelligence makes them more fun than a dog that gets depressed and schtuff.

>>5041974
that's a problem for the future guy in charge, not the current managers. the only thing that matters is this quarter's profits. if revenue is down because nobody wants to shop in a store full of dog shit, fire a few employees to get that profit back up. yes this is a death spiral that will definitely end the business, but refer back to line one

>>5042073
Sounds like a dramatized scenario you made up

>>5042076
Nta but that exact scenario plays out every day in my city

His city? Mumbai.

>>5042080
nah bro, kanpur

I’d rather share public space with someone’s fake service dog than a baby. Restaurants, grocery stores, especially pubs, ect, if babies are allowed then bring on the pets. Less noise, less stink, and cuter too.

>>5042102
Babies and dogs are both the same. Stink up everything and make massive amounts of noise. I make sure to remind any breeder I see that they aren't welcome. "Regretting not using a condom yet?" always gets a tired nod.

>>5042104
He's right tho. Most dogs smell pretty good and are nicer than babies.

Women will disagree, but as a man I have no warm feelings towards any baby that is not my own. Moral duty at best.

>>5041534
Then the laws are fucking retarded.
Just make it law that if you have a REAL SERVICE animal for a REAL CONDITION and want to participate in society amongst normal people, you have to provide proof.
Fucking deal with it, you entitled faggots.

>>5042021
It's sad how true this is. The anti cat schizo literally has no life.

>>5041486
I go to anime and comic conventions and fake service animals used to be a huge issue. There was some shitty steampunk vendor who got his lizard registered so he could take it to cons. You could tell how fucking stressed that poor thing was hanging off his gay ass Victorian vest.

>>5042278
stop samefagging its sad

>>5042257
the laws were fine, the whole point was to give service animals protection under the law and protect their owners from being hassled about their service animals. this worked fine for many years but in the past decadeish selfish retards realized that there are no consequences to lying about their fake service animals and have taken advantage of the situation. so how do you propose we filter out/punish the shitheads while still maintaining the spirit of the ADA to make sure people with legit service animals aren't hassled?

people really have a problem when I bring my service bluewhale everywhere but I need it for my anxiety

>>5041401 (OP)
Businesses already have the right to refuse service to those with service dogs if they are a problem. The fakes are a thousand times more likely to be a problem, so enforcing that rule take care of most fakers and protects most people who actually need the dog.

>>5042355
Discrimination in the modern age is so sad to see ;(

>>5042341
>people with legit service animals aren't hassled?
end this faggot ass mentality and do what I said
Its a hassle on SOCIETY to bend the knee to you disabled fucks

>>5042257
How would you provide proof? Many service dogs are trained by their owners, how do you provide certification for that?

>>5042696
Why are there so many retarded NPCs like you with zero imagination here? Organizations can easily set up a registration system with an ID you can check.

>>5041975
lmao this, if you've ever worked around retail store produce you know

still that bitch needs to control her animal

>>5041417
No, I was at grocery story and the typical diva latina and her tough looking but weak husband had a shit French bulldog just on an extendable leash like they owned the place. White roasties who are childless do this as well thinking it's replacement for kids.

>>5041532
Yeah a legit service animal. All the service animals that are legit, from what I can tell, are given to people after going through training. They are not selected by the users, they are given after they can prove they are obedient in all types of environments and stress levels while doing whatever service they person needs as well. These cunts just taking their dog with them who is a shit in public is annoying amd it's clear they are not a service dog.

>>5042257
This goes beyond just dogs too. People think they have a disability and should get everything handed to them and even if you have a disability it doesn't mean you should get the same treatment as another person with a more sever disability. I have ibs, if it was bad enough I could get a note from my doctor saying I need to have the ability to take breaks at work at random times so I can shit. But if I tried to use that as an excuse tonget onto an airplane first it's just abuse.

>>5042102
>>5042106
>>5042108
underage b&

>>5042873
There's no such thing as a "legit" service animal, the whole program is a placebo scam.

what if I have a service dog that's task trained, but kind of a shit head?

>>5042944
Yeah the dog's that can smell when someone's glucose levels are dropping fast or can tell when someone is about to have a seizure is totally placebo. Or how about guide dog's for the blind? Or those that can roll a person over so they don't accidentally choke. Retard.

>>5042975
There's no such thing as a "guide dog", blind individuals can navigate the world just fine. A dog isn't going to help them in an unfamiliar environment, they're just comforted by the dog.

>>5042989
Explain how a blind man can tell if he's being confronted by a "future astronaut lawyer" without a dog.

>>5043006
Fuck off back to /pol/.

>>5043008
So you can't. Sorry you got triggered by per capita.

>>5041534
make faking service animal a crime with a steep fine.

>>5041651
The only target I know of exists to be endlessly preyed upon by the local homeless population.

>>5043006
Smell

one of the other disgusting things about fake service dogs is that there have been repeated cases of them distracting or flat out even attacking actual service dogs

and because actual service dogs have very specific requirements, if one gets in a fight with another dog, even if 100% defensive and justified, they immediately become unsuitable for use as service dog for a prolonged period

So you bringing your shitty pibble in a vest might have just cost a blind man his eyes for months or even years

>Be in KFC during a trip
>A bunch of white trash has "service animals"
>They're loose and run all over the place like regular dogs
>No one does shit
I wanted so much to just grill them for that bullshit, they didn't even look disabled past being trashy

>What is to be done
Replace them with service robots

>>5044461
sounds based to me

i might actually go to kfc if i could pet dogs (as long as they're german shepherds not pitbulls)

>>5042355
Don't worry your mom is exempt

>>5042989
>blind individuals can navigate the world just fine
Daredevil is not real bro

>>5044503
Subhuman behavior

>>5041608
>white woman
Yep, checks out.

>need to stop at walmart
>have dog with me
>"service animals only" sign by the entrance
>go in anyway
>no one says anything (except that my dog is pretty)
>dog doesn't cause any problems (because she is clean and well behaved)
>buy things
>leave

I figure the staff are so used to being lied to by fake service dog people that they've given up on asking. That's great for me because I'm not willing to tell such a big lie for such a small reason.

>>5041532
How does someone with one limb work out? Is this a joke?

>>5044951
everyone takes turns curling him

we call him dumbbell dan

>>5041401 (OP)
Why not just make it a thing you need a license for? Not violating HIPAA or anything just a "a doctor says I need this dog" kind of document. It doesn't have to just be taking their word for it.

>>5044939
>She
You just know

I fucking went off on some old bastard for bringing his dogs into the store today

I hadn't planned on it, I was there and his fucking dogs were all over the place in the fucking way and I just fucking lost it on him.

Fucking cunt.

>>5044951
it's like with senses. if you lose a limb all your other ones have to become stronger to compensate
he's just making sure he gets as riggedy riggedy ripped as possible

>>5042257
Some very high level questions to illustrate why legislation in this area always turns out half-assed:
>what level of proof is needed?
>how do you define 'real condition'?
>how much training is needed for a 'real' service animal as opposed to a household pet masquerading as one?
>why would political parties gain anything from passing these amendments as law?

>>5046568
Trust the experts

If the experts are retarded society has bigger problems than a dog in a store
Then the dog is probably cleaner and safer than some of the legal patrons

>>5044951
some people dont like to be fat fucks.

animals do not belong in restaurants or grocery stores
if you can't go an hour without your animal you also do not belong in restaurants or grocery stores

>>5041708
Some of us have severe allergies.
Your pet has no business being in most buildings.

>>5044461
Just drop chicken bones on the ground.
When they eat them say "huh, they're not trained to not do that?"

>>5046568
>this problem is unsolvable!
>just let anyone do what they want!

>>5046351
Based. Dogfags need to be put in their place.

>>5044503
Does 'based' just mean 'destructive to society' now?

>>5046568
The criteria for real condition just needs to be extremely limited and strict. Blind, missing limbs, etc. A service animal for the first half of >>5042975 is a waste of a perfectly good resource
If there's room for interpretation at all then you get to suck it up instead of forcing the world to accomodate you

>>5046626
Full circle.

>>5046608
Buy a bubble, faggot. Normal people shouldn't be burdened by your defective immune system.

>>5046623
Not the catfucker fag trying to relate to a normal person annoyed for reasonable reasons.
Get lost tard.

>>5041486
I automatically assume a single woman with a full size dog is deeply mentally ill so this tracks

>>5041401 (OP)
Regulate the fuck out of the industry. Actual service animals need a federal Id & need to be added to a register so you can look up if they are legit & trying to pass an emotional support animal off as a service animal becomes a federal offence with a minimum 10 years in prison

>>5042696
Service dogs aren't trained by their owners. They are specially trained, often with the owner because the owners need to be trained how to handle them. If someone claims "oh I trained them" that's the first sign they are fucking lying

>>5047822
Cool. We can, once planes allow large dogs in the cabin so a cross country move doesnt kill/traumatize them. Until then airline jews can get fucked.

>>5047231
>Cats out of nowhere
Rent free