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Anonymous No.5062828 [Report] >>5062832 >>5062837 >>5062843
Which is worse?
A twitch streamer was recently allegedly hugged without her consent. She says she's a victim of sexual assault and has received emotional damages, people are talking about lawsuits and extremely large amounts of money being owed to her by the man who allegedly hugged her and twitch itself for failing to adequately protect her. The laws in the United States seem to be written in such a litigious way she may have a case and be owed hundreds of thousands of dollars.
But this twitch streamer who was allegedly assaulted isn't vegan. She regularly pays for hens to be debeaked without anesthetic, male chicks to be thrown into blenders on their birthday, piglets to be castrated without anesthetic, pigs to be put in gas chambers, cows and calves to be separated right after birth, pigs and cows to be raped / artificially inseminated, etc etc.
Isn't it hypocritical for her to say she's a victim and deserves restitution (like a lawsuit and money being given to her by twitch and the man who allegedly assaulted her) and retribution ( like the man who allegedly assaulted her being imprisoned) while she is paying for so many animals to be horribly abused?

I think this woman doesn't deserve a penny in restitution. I believe all of her property down to the clothes on her back should be confiscated from her, liquidated and given to HER victims.
https://animalcharityevaluators.org/
https://sharkonline.org/
http://anonymousforthevoiceless.org/

>but murder isn't that bad
ALL MURDERERS SHOULD DIE IN PRISON.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OR_Bn9SRXNU

>but how do you know animals can feel pain?

We can assume other adults, children and some animals can feel pain based on things like brain structures they have and behaviors. Claiming pigs, piglets, cows etc can't feel pain is really no different then claiming babies who are circumcised without anesthetic can't feel pain. (Obviously it's also immoral with anesthetic)
Anonymous No.5062832 [Report] >>5062833
>>5062828 (OP)
>but she's "human" and farm animals aren't "human" so we don't have to grant them rights

https://philosophicalvegan.com/wiki/index.php/NameTheTrait

This dialogue tree has been used by vegans many times in live debates, (feel free to comment on one of their videos, email them, message them on Instagram etc to challenge them to a debate on NTT )

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JiGT6ox0Y-M

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gJR5vsrkr9A

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oQLjgo2TfcM

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrtziO8Ffc4&pp=ygUjRHIgQXZpIGRlYmF0ZSB2ZWdhbiBuYW1lIHRoZSB0cmFpdCA%3D

If someone says it's okay to kill a animal and turn them into a burger but not okay to do that to a human and the reason they give is that animals can't reason but humans can they'd have to bite the bullet and say it's okay to turn severely permanently mentally handicapped humans who can't reason into burgers. Or go vegan. Or name another trait(s)

A single individual choosing to purchase meat or not purchase meat DOES make a difference. Individual boycott means the difference between life and death for between 1-900 chickens
Lots of evidence of this

I know individual consumer boycott does make a difference in sparing chickens lives Like in the first five minutes of this video https://youtu.be/brKhhZlUoOc?feature=shared
he discuses a study that shows the average consumer has a 90 something percent chance of causing 1 - 900 extra chickens to be bred into existence tortured and killed.

https://philarchive.org/rec/MCMAIO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gGSmNv-8YQ

Castrating piglets is extremely painful just search piglet castration diy no anesthetic on YouTube and you'll find lots of videos of farmers recording themselves castrating piglets and pigs. This is very common everywhere from large factory farms to small family farms.
Anonymous No.5062833 [Report]
>>5062832
Debeaking is common in factory farms.
Animals being selectively bred to grow too big too fast is common.
In USA, UK, Australia, etc almost all animal products come from factory farms. https://www.dominionmovement.com/watch
Anonymous No.5062836 [Report] >>5062847
>more vegan schizo spam
This is your THIRD thread in the past two days.

Trying to have this argument again and again won't ever un-lose it, vegan schizo. Ethical naturalist anon fucking wrecked you AND got you to admit to admit you would kill a human being to save literal cattle. Name that trait has been wrecked thousands of times by people ranging from laymen to professors because it is patently flawed

Go back to serving out your permanent ban for cumulative:
ban evasion, animal cruelty, trolling, and off topic

You will not be missed.
Anonymous No.5062837 [Report]
>>5062828 (OP)
all vegans and streamers should be put in death camps
Anonymous No.5062843 [Report] >>5062847
>>5062828 (OP)
>>5062347
>>5062180
Gee, THREE vegan schizo threads?

When will you kill yourself because being alive isn’t ethically consistent with your own arbitrary terms? Or maybe shit up reddit instead of /an/?
hunting and agriculture are the most based parts of nature deal w/ it
Anonymous No.5062847 [Report]
>>5062836
>This is your THIRD thread in the past two days.

On /an/ ? No. I'm not the only vegan who makes threads.

>Trying to have this argument again and again won't ever un-lose it, vegan schizo. Ethical naturalist anon fucking wrecked you

Moral realism and ethical naturalism are not only false, they're incoherent. What's the argument for them? Most people believe it's stance independently wrong to murder humans? You have a strong intuition it's stance independently wrong to murder humans?
Okay I can just say I have a strong intuition it's stance independently wrong to torture animals.
There's vegans who believe moral realism is true and vegans who believe moral realism is false.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B_eZZGxlbA4 1 hour and 48 minutes into video.

I don't know which one you're referring to. https://desuarchive.org/an/thread/5052124/#5052172
He wasn't able to cross the is ought gap he just refused to answer.

Natural law is obviously false. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPen831EkYg
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E8H_gUrPXL4

>AND got you to admit to admit you would kill a human being to save literal cattle.

Cool.

>Name that trait has been wrecked thousands of times by people ranging from laymen to professors because it is patently flawed

No. When it's used here people refuse to define human or engage in good faith then declare victory. I'm sure there's examples of people using name the trait being wrecked but I'd blame that on the vegan not using it correctly.
>>5062843
Neither of those two are mine...
Anonymous No.5062849 [Report] >>5062850 >>5062852
>basing morals on reality is false. morals ought to be based on the arbitrary values i selected to support my preconceived maladaptive stance.
pick a real organized religion or live in the real world thx. this is not a false dichotomy. unless you are working literal miracles or follow someone who supposedly did you are not an authority on metaphysical truth.
Anonymous No.5062850 [Report] >>5062853
>>5062849
>only follow morality when it personally benefits you. The moment it stops being helpful just do whatever you want and murder and steal whatever to get ahead
Anonymous No.5062852 [Report]
>>5062849
>live in the real world thx.

I live in the real world and think it's bad when suffering is inflicted on me or my rights are violated.
>unless you are working literal miracles

I think it's a miracle that I and other animals are conscious and are capable of experiencing good things like pleasure and relationships and bad things like suffering.
Anonymous No.5062853 [Report] >>5062855
>>5062850
>what is kin selection? what is group sizes going up to nation state and empire? what is humans evolved to naturally exhibit a degree of altruism?
your virtue ethics are literally arbitrary nonsense without a god you believe is real and follow unerringly. this is just the truth. there is no option 3. morals are abstracted material facts or they are spiritual.

option 3 is a fantasy for narcissists that want to appear more thoughtful and intelligent than they actually are. you have lost this argument already.
Anonymous No.5062855 [Report] >>5062856
>>5062853
Explain why it'd be stance independently wrong for a highly intelligent completely atheist alien species who evolved to just torture murder and conquer to come to earth and treat humans how we treat cows
Anonymous No.5062856 [Report] >>5062860
>>5062855
is a theoretical alien invasion your religion? thats fucking pathetic honestly
>we must follow ultimate logic to appeal to our alien gods so that out races may both behave with ethical consistency!
just shoot the aliens. they’re most likely an unfeeling hivemind anyways. i see this shitty abortion of a religion among many people who sit at the intersection of atheism, narcissism, autism, and pseudointellect. its ex post facto.
>i am vegan to appeal to others
>i must justify it and sound smart to appeal to others
Anonymous No.5062860 [Report]
>>5062856
Vegans started as zany christian brits but these days they’re posers who watched too much star trek and made being mad at the real world their full time profession