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Anonymous No.5064859 [Report] >>5064861 >>5064862 >>5064913 >>5068445 >>5069123 >>5069228
Mouse General
thread for mice
Anonymous No.5064861 [Report]
>>5064859 (OP)
anyone here familiar with breeding texels?
Anonymous No.5064862 [Report] >>5064866
>>5064859 (OP)
That's a very cute mouse.
Anonymous No.5064866 [Report]
>>5064862
i agree

not my photo though
but it is a show quality type mouse with good large ears. they're very cute and you don't often see those big ears in the shittier bred/pet store/feeder type.
Anonymous No.5064913 [Report] >>5064917 >>5064939
>>5064859 (OP)
Micefags should consolewars with ratfags and see who wins while further destroying this board. I think it would be entertaining.
Anonymous No.5064917 [Report] >>5064928 >>5064943
>>5064913
The problem is they both agree on consensus that rats are the better choice
Anonymous No.5064928 [Report] >>5064935
>>5064917
Really? So basically rats won? Crazy yall could get that one sorted out like that.
Anonymous No.5064935 [Report]
>>5064928
Yeah smarter animals are better
Rats > mice
Dogs > cats
Anonymous No.5064939 [Report]
>>5064913
Rats are just greater mice

Its like men and manlets
Anonymous No.5064943 [Report]
>>5064917
i like mice more

i dont dislike rats, i'm just really fond of mice.
Anonymous No.5065411 [Report] >>5065426
mouse bump
Anonymous No.5065426 [Report] >>5065653
>>5065411
What a little bitch.
Anonymous No.5065653 [Report] >>5065654
>>5065426
bot post...
Anonymous No.5065654 [Report]
>>5065653
how?
Anonymous No.5065663 [Report]
Anonymous No.5065754 [Report] >>5065764 >>5065773 >>5065783 >>5065786 >>5068447
what does /an/ think of wooly mice?
crime against nature? or cute use of gene editing?
Anonymous No.5065764 [Report]
>>5065754
they just look like long haired orange mice
Anonymous No.5065773 [Report]
>>5065754
>woolly
>it's actually fur
???????????
Anonymous No.5065783 [Report]
>>5065754
>wooly mammeeces
we're flying too close to the sun bros
Anonymous No.5065786 [Report]
>>5065754
that depends, do they live long healthy lives (for a mouse) or do they get a brain tumor 10 minutes after spawning in
Anonymous No.5066599 [Report]
thursday bump
Anonymous No.5068445 [Report]
>>5064859 (OP)
Huh
Anonymous No.5068447 [Report] >>5069123
>>5065754
The worst possible thing you can tag to them is the deformed whiskers and eyelashes, but realistically, I can't think of anything else wrong with them. Treat them like hairless though anf make sure they have consistent temps
Anonymous No.5069123 [Report] >>5069217 >>5069228
>>5064859 (OP)
Apologies, I didn't include "and rodent" in the rat general subject when I started the thread >>5061960 but happy to see a mouse general doing well!
Are they as friendly as rats? Do they like cuddles?
>>5068447
This is an issue in rats too, the double rex or hairless genes will cause malformed or lack of whiskers. It can't be a good quality of life for them
Anonymous No.5069217 [Report]
>>5069123
Most of them are much more skittish/standoffish than rats. Some nicer bred ones can have a much less skittish personality and be a lot more calm when held / easier to work with. Some of them do like being petted; lots of mine like when you rub around their ears and cheeks and stuff, sometimes even if they are skittish otherwise.

Rats feel closer to a domesticated animal, while mice feel more "undomestic" but still capable of being acclimated to people and even enjoying some of it.
Anonymous No.5069228 [Report] >>5069420 >>5069505
>>5069123
>will cause malformed or lack of whiskers.
Yeah, and when you're a mouse that receives most information about the world around it from touch and smell that's a big issue.

>>5064859 (OP)
One project I would do If I was a millionaire that didn't have to work is -
(1) Capture hundreds of wild mice.
(2) Clean, Deworm and deflea them to hell and back.
(3) House them in a very large enclosure with self sustaining edible plants and insects that should provide them with just enough natural foraging food.
(4) Have the males and female in separate enclosures.
(5) Test every male mouse for sociability with humans, longevity and intelligence.
(6) Chemically castrate all the males that fail your test.
(7) Join the enclosures and allow for breeding.
(8) Separate all the males again and repeat.
Anonymous No.5069420 [Report] >>5069473
>>5069228
I have fancy mice right now that were selected over generations for personality in a similar way. There's a noticeable difference between them and other mice I've gotten from pet stores and other breeders. The ones this breeder worked with/bred specifically for personality across many years are very docile, calm, easy to handle, etc. Not certain about longevity or intelligence yet tho.
Anonymous No.5069473 [Report] >>5069509
>>5069420
Ok, that sounds promising. So one person in their lifetime can breed noticeable docility and easy handling into a line.

Yeah, I specifically want to use wild mice because fancy and lab mice seem far too inbred at this point. Either that, Or mix every variety of fancy/lab mouse together with wild mice.
Also the experiment probably shouldn't be a completely closed system. So add new mice from outside the experiment each generation to keep inbreeding at bay.
Longevity selection would be a straightforward manner. Only allow males of a minimum age to breed, (no males under the age of 2 years etc).

Docility around humans would be easier to select for that you'd think too. I've heard that simply choosing very young individuals that approach the hand without fear works well. (An old technique that was used for dogs).

Selecting for intelligence is something that nobody has ever successfully done. But to be fair, I don't think anyone has specifically had that as a goal.
With dogs it has always been hyper-specific, often repetitious skills. Rather than some global intelligence.
The mice should definitely work for their food as wild mice do. Because most of their brain is devoted to finding food.
Selecting for intelligence is the tricky bit.
Anonymous No.5069505 [Report] >>5069559
>>5069228
>(6) Chemically
Is that the calcium chloride method?
Anonymous No.5069509 [Report]
>>5069473
>So one person in their lifetime can breed noticeable docility and easy handling into a line.

Yes. Mice have short lifespans, short gestation periods, short development periods, etc. You can do a lot with them over generations because everything is very fast vs. something like a dog or a horse where generations may take years.

>I specifically want to use wild mice because fancy and lab mice seem far too inbred

Inbreeding is actually not really a problem. It is only a problem when the inbreeding leads to multiple copies of recessive traits.
Good inbreeding can actually ensure that only good traits get passed on. Inbreeding in mice is very common practice without negative results when done well.

>I've heard that simply choosing very young individuals that approach the hand without fear works well.

Yes, that is common in mice still, including the ones I have from the breeder who had done it on a large scale for many generations with significant results (limited human handling of babies in order to temperament test that way easier, etc.). The main issue is that you will need to repurpose many mice to breed anything fast/across multiple generations, as there will be a lot of excess mice created in the process.
Anonymous No.5069559 [Report] >>5069763
>>5069505
I don't know, just heard it was possible and easy to do these days.
Anonymous No.5069705 [Report]
Have a bump. Always liked rats / mice
Anonymous No.5069763 [Report]
>>5069559
And extremely painful, it basically chemically burns the testicles from the inside.
If the injection misses and goes into a blood vessel the poor rodent dies in quite a painful way.