Thread 936806498

>Crematorium at a special camp that starts with "A"
>Takes an average of 4 hours to cremate a body, even then the bones are not fully destroyed.
>Main crematorium at the camp has 12 chambers for one body each.
>This implies that over a 24 hour period that 72 bodies can be burned.
>Jewish history websites and archives state the the crematorium burned 340 bodies per 24 hours.
>???

Im a kike in real life, and even this shit confuses me.

>>936806498 (OP)
>Takes an average of 4 hours to cremate a body
For a single, normal-sized body with pre-heat and proper cleanup afterwards, sure.
In this case? No pre-heating needed, no proper cleanup needed, starved/skeletal bodies with low to zero body fat, cremation won't take longer than 30 minutes.

>>936807609
and given their malnutritioned state i assume those one size cremators can fit multiple bodies

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Lying about stats is psyops and historical revisionism 101.
You can expect one of two things to have happened in the past. One is someone lied and did not expect the math to be checked. Two is someone treated rumor or guesses as a fact.

>>936808775
>Lying about stats is psyops and historical revisionism 101.
>>936806498 (OP)
>>Takes an average of 4 hours to cremate a body, even then the bones are not fully destroyed.
lying like this for example? true.

>>936809825
How is that lying? Google says 3-5 hours. I just averaged it out to 4.

>>936806498 (OP)
>WE ONLY GOING TO PUT ONE BODY IN THE ONE BODY OVEN NO NO CRAMMING WE ARE CIVILIZED NAZIS
kek kill urself my nigg

>>936810951
Im a Jew, not a nigg.

>>936810978
ur a gay dog BARK BARK

>>936810994
wtf does that even mean?

>>936806498 (OP)
While totally ignoring burn pits.

You don't get emaciated like that without being kept alive as long as possible. It was only when the allies created a blockade and resources were limited that the germans had to prioritize their own, and you don't give up prisoners of war without negotiations which the allies refused to hear.

>>936811050
Burn pits are the least effective.
Not enough air flow and too many bodies.
You end up with a bunch of slightly charred corpses.

Compare it with a round grill. You have to set the coal on fire outside of it and only once it's white you can put it in the bottom and then add your meats.

It's like you retards never had a good ol pork chop- oh wait.

>>936810896
google? is it the ai generated bullshit? i was wasting my time if thats the case, everyone with a functioning brain knows the garbage it vomits out is unreliable.

if not what source did you use i can't find it.

from a pure design and intended function perspective i speculate that they could easily cremate 5-8 bodies per hour in a single furnace using wood, more with coal or gas as fuel.

>>936806498 (OP)
You're not wrong but you're also missing an important part.
Ecological impact.
You can't transport the fuel for burning at a constant rate and burn bodies without creating an environmental footprint. It should be notable to this date that the areas local to the camps at the very least, contain more carbon in their fields.

>>936811096
>allies
It was the UK. We stopped them from sending them to Israel because they was fighting aged men fighting against the British and Arabs there. Then we stopped them from transporting them to Madagascar so that they're a burden on the Germans.

The whole holocaust story makes no sense.
Germans are well known for their efficiency, if they wanted to kill them they would have forced the jews to dig their own graves, then put them on rows to kill many with a single bullet.
Burning them is very expensive and slow. Just check how much cremation costs in cemetaries. Also, it creates a ton of ash which doesn't magically float in the air.
And why do the prisoners look so skinny... you die after a week without food. Were nazis feeding the jews they were going to burn? They were losing the war at that point yet dedicated resources to feed jews?
It doesn't help that:
-You can go to jail for saying this in public.
-The survivors horror stories contradict themselves and are filled with stupid stuff like roller coasters, skin lamps and soaps made of people.
-The casualty number had been used before ww2.
-There are other genocides (like the armenian) but you'll only go to jail for questioning this one.
In the end, the only way to believe in the holocaust is by denying facts and having a blind faith in what you are being told, as in a religion.

>>936811031
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>>936807894
>>936807609
this
it would be very inefficient to only throw one small starved body in each at a time

>>936811582
Every inconsistency alleged by holocaust deniers is accounted for by historic documentation. The only through thread of all holocaust denialism is neo-nazi sentiments. No historian worth their salt is a holocaust denialist.

>>936811050
No evidence of burn pits being used for human remains.
>>936811970
I don't know how big you think those chambers are. You'd have a hard time fitting more than one in even if malnourished.

>>936811970
>>936812097
They are not very large on the inside. There are less blurry images of human remains inside of them, but I dont want to be banned.

>>936812056
>Every inconsistency alleged by holocaust deniers is accounted for by historic documentation.
On the contrary, historic documentation confirms what I say.
Have you checked the use of the six million number before ww2? Here:
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>>936812467
>look at my artifact ridden /pol/ jpegs
pass. cite an actual source or eat shit like you like to so much

>>936812688
Dude, its literally video of an old newspaper, calm the fuck down.

>>936806498 (OP)
>be me
>42
>witnessed the number climb steadily
>the number surpassed the actual Jewish population of all of Europe before I finished high school

>>936814202
What was the actual jewish population of europe? im guessing it was under 6 million, making it impossible for 6 million to be killed.

>>936812688
Library of congress, 1915:
https://www.loc.gov/resource/sn83030272/1915-06-06/ed-1/?sp=49&st=text

New York Times, 1918 and 1921:
https://www.nytimes.com/1918/10/18/archives/1000000000-fund-to-rebuild-jewry-six-million-souls-will-need-help.html
https://www.nytimes.com/1921/07/20/archives/begs-america-save-6000000-in-russia-massacre-threatens-all-jews-as.html

>>936806498 (OP)
>Is my math wrong?
>Crematorium at a special camp that starts with "A"
And I stopped reading there. Yes, your math is wrong and holocaust deniers have been peddling these half-truths as "proof" since about 1950.
It's all been debunked. Rather than bad maths read some good history
>and I still have a foreskin

>>936814256
>What was the actual jewish population of europe? im guessing it was under 6 million, making it impossible for 6 million to be killed.
Rather than guess (incorrectly), why not actually check?
>In 1939, there were 16.6 million Jews worldwide, and a majority of them – 9.5 million, or 57% – lived in Europe, according to DellaPergola's estimates. By the end of World War II, in 1945, the Jewish population of Europe had shrunk to 3.8 million, or 35% of the world's 11 million Jews.

>>936814919
>and I still have a foreskin
Well yes, you're not a Jew. Anyways, thanks for your tax money.

>>936814837
Oh, the scales have fallen from my eyes. No-one investigating the well-documented extermination program of the Nazi has ever found those documents before. How could the entire world have been so foolish?
It's a pity you're anonymous as your earth-shattering piece of historical investigation would surely be worth a Nobel Prize, as a minimum.

Faggot

>>936812688
Are you ok? I posted sourced content here confirming that 6 million jews have been mentione in the media before ww2 yet you are quiet. >>936814837
I am worried that something bad might have happened to you. I'm praying for you.

>>936815245
>Anyways, thanks for your tax money.
I haven't given you any tax money

>>936806498 (OP)
just throw more then one body in those ovens i guess

XD

or shit just dig a hole and throw em in there

A large number of Jewish people were murdered in the Holocaust, and many of their bodies were cremated in Nazi concentration camps.
Specifically concerning Auschwitz-Birkenau:
Hundreds of thousands of Jewish men, women, and children were murdered in gas chambers at Auschwitz II-Birkenau, and their bodies were subsequently burned in the crematoria.
Crematoria II and III, each had a daily capacity of 1,440 corpses, while crematoria IV and V could burn 768 corpses each per day, according to German calculations.
However, prisoners assigned to cremation duties reported the actual daily capacity of the four crematoria in Birkenau to be significantly higher, around 8,000 corpses.
In addition to crematoria, open-air pits were also used for corpse cremation, particularly when the crematoria couldn't keep pace. For instance, around 107,000 corpses were incinerated in this way in late 1942.
The large-scale burning of corpses resumed in open-air pits during 1944 during operations like the liquidation of the Litzmannstadt ghetto.
It's important to remember:
The Nazi regime systematically murdered approximately six million Jews during the Holocaust.
While millions of Jews were killed in gas chambers and their bodies cremated, others died from various brutal methods including executions, starvation, disease, and forced labor in concentration and extermination camps.
The exact number of Jewish people cremated in the ovens is challenging to determine precisely, due to the deliberate destruction of evidence by the Nazis and the sheer scale of the atrocities. However, historical sources, including testimony from survivors and forensic evidence, clearly indicate the use of crematoria as a major part of the Nazi killing process.

>>936806498 (OP)
denier asshole

>>936815256
>Do you have a source?
>No, not that one
>I think you are a bad faith actor
>I didn't said good, I said benevolent

As far as I know, the jews weren't Killer by bring burned, they were killed by gas. The cremation came afterwards als they were far behind, as the piles of bodies in the Camps would suggest.
The Holocaust is real, it doesn't make Sensei to deny it!

but why did they kill jews, whats so bad about them?

>>936815342
Im not a denier, im just saying that it does not make any sense to me. Also, if it is true, then why is it a crime to say this in certain countries?

>>936815483
>https://6millionfairytale.wordpress.com/more-proof-six-million-is-a-lie/
And at the top it has a link that claims there were no gas chambers. I think we can safely ignore you and that internet rag

>>936815690
>im just saying that it does not make any sense to me.
Then go and do some research from credible sources, rather than repeat an oft-posited denier line

>Also, if it is true, then why is it a crime to say this in certain countries?
Because of threads like this

>>936812097
I KNOW how big the chambers were. You can bring a tape measure to the crematorium numb nuts.

>>936816576
the numbers here seem pretty reasonable

>>936817458
That's the problem with misinformation. If it didn't SEEM reasonable then it would be dismissed out of hand.
Deniers are not all stupid people and they know how to take partial information and draw implications; "just ask questions" as a means of spreading doubt (even when they know their questions have already been answered), and repeat disproven lies, hoping if they say them often enough they'll become believed, especially as debunking their crap takes time and effort - much easier just to look at denier memes on farcebook. It's the same gameplay as used by anti-vaxxers; election deniers; anti-whatever-you-want

>>936816576
>Sorry kid, you made a grammatical error, not reading anything else from you.
>Better luck next time.
>>936819870
>The arguments you provided are reasonable.
>That's a problem, negative people use reasonable arguments.

>>936820266
Not an argument

>>936820753
argue my fist in your ass, bitch boy

>>936820877
And the true colors of the holocaust denier are now on display for all to see. Would that be your right fist? or the other arm; the one with the swastika armband?

>>936822048
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>>936822515
>By the way, if you post in this thread, you are denouncing the Talmud, you admit you hate the antichrist and admit Jesus is King.
I admit no such things. I'm not a retarded theist who believes in a sky daddy looking after me

>>936822048
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>>936823249
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>>936820877

>>936807609
>starved/skeletal bodies with low to zero body fat
Burning bodies in those conditions take longer to burn.

>>936823374
they're both me lol

>>936806498 (OP)
The claim assumes 1 body per chamber every 4 hours, like in modern cremation, but Auschwitz used industrial methods.
Crematoria at Auschwitz burned multiple bodies at once, with overlapping cycles, not one at a time.
When crematoria were overloaded, Nazis used open-air burn pits, which could burn thousands of bodies daily.
Eyewitnesses, Nazi records, and aerial photos confirm this mass burning process.
The real disposal capacity was far beyond 72 bodies/day, estimates range into thousands per day during peak operations.

>>936806498 (OP)
The idiots arguing this are jews and shills. It has been PROVEN time and time again that they could not have burned this many bodies even in a malnourished state. Most of the super skinny pics you see of prisoners are suffering from TYPHUS. This is a wasting disease. Even if you fed these guys by the hour they would still be bone skinny. You also cannot have your gas chamber down the hall from your crematorium. These "kilns" cannot run 24/7. the walls decay over use and have to be replaced. This also takes time. The ashes also add up. You have to shovel them out. None of what we were "taught" about the concentration camps was true. Was it a shitty place? yes. Did people die there, yes. But no where near the 6 million number was ever reached in the entirety of the concentration camps. One would have to be a blithering idiot to believe these stories. There is a lot more I could say on this but it's just too tedious. Almost all of the "facts" these shills use is on wikipedia... which in itself is a useless platform.

>>936807609
>low to zero body fat
that increases, not decreases, the length of time it would take to burn

>>936825504
>>936825504
This rant is Holocaust denial dressed up as pseudo-scientific garbage. Every point it raises has been debunked a hundred times over by actual historians, forensic evidence, survivor testimony, Nazi documents, and even confessions from the perpetrators themselves.
Yes, typhus killed many, because Nazis deliberately created those conditions. It wasn’t just unfortunate disease; it was weaponized neglect and abuse.
Gas chambers were near crematoria by design, for efficiency. Nazi blueprints show it clearly. This wasn't a bug, it was a feature.
Crematoria did run constantly,with Nazi documentation detailing fuel use, ash weight, and body counts.
The 6 million figure isn't some magical number from Wikipedia — it comes from records, demographics, and Nazi logs. Multiple countries and independent investigations arrive at the same range.
If you think Wikipedia is fake but Nazi denial blogs are truth, you’re not doing "research," you’re joining a cult.
The only thing "proven time and time again" is that Holocaust denial is the last refuge of the historically illiterate and morally bankrupt.
You dumb fuck.

>>936812688
>your video file shows signs of compression, therefore you cannot question any aspect of the holocaust to any degree whatsoever
lol

This should explain everything

>>936826506
>3 ovens
moron

>>936824406
>>936825597
This is not true. You're just thinking "fat is fuel so more fat = faster burn". But cremation is not taking a match to a dead body and letting the fire run its course. Skinny malnourished bodies simply have less mass to get to temperature. That means much less water, which has huge thermal inertia.

>>936826951
how dare you bring facts into this makebelieve thread

>>936811291
https://www.nationalcremation.com/ask-a-funeral-director/how-long-does-the-entire-cremation-process-take Different answers from different funeral directors. Google AI says 2-3. Even if you half the time of other poster's time of 4 hours to 2 hours that's still 144 not 340

Meanwhile the guy who demands SOURCES has as his source "I speculate that". A crematorium fueled with wood is just a glorified fire pit. See other comments about that.

>>936826951
>>936826978
false

>>936806498 (OP)
Retards who post cringe like this need to be punched as Nazis

10 Minutes

At ten minutes of incineration, the muscles, skin, organs, and fat begin to char, sizzle, and shrink.

If cremation takes place before the muscles enter the stages of decomposition, limbs may contract, hands may fist up, and the arms may come toward the chest into a boxing or fetal position. The body does not sit straight up as commonly assumed. It may be that the tight confines of the retort restrict the body from doing so.

20 Minutes

At twenty minutes, most of the soft tissue is now burnt off of the face. The ribs begin to show, and the abdominal and thoracic region begin spewing jets of liquid from tears in the body cavity. This is caused by bodily liquids aggressively evaporating. The abdominal organs dehydrate and shrink.

30 Minutes

At thirty minutes of intense heat, the calvaria (skull cap) begins to separate from the rest of the skull. Boiling liquid begins pouring out from the fractures. Facial bones are mostly void of all tissue. The bones of the chest are mostly exposed with ribs bending inward and outward. The abdominal organs continue to shrink, and the arms and legs are mostly free of soft tissue; they may also be completely consumed by flames.

40 Minutes

At forty minutes the calvaria will have completely dislodged from the head exposing a blackened (charred) brain. The facial bones are mostly disintegrated. The ribs will be entirely exposed. At this point, they will be bending and severely twisting. The abdominal organs will now look like blackened sponges, and the lower parts of the arms will be mostly gone.

50 Minutes

At fifty minutes the remains of the abdominal organs are shriveled and spongy. The thighs are burnt into stumps. The arms are mostly gone. It is at this point that we see the spinal column is coming apart.

60 Minutes

At sixty minutes, what is left of the torso now breaks apart. The skull is nothing more than bone fragments. All internal organs are now ash, and the pelvis is consumed by flames. At this juncture of time, the gasses and particulate transfer into the secondary chamber where they are exposed to 1,700 degrees Fahrenheit. At this extreme temperature, smoke, gasses, odor, and emissions are neutralized as the cremation progresses to its conclusion.

>>936811582
This. Nazi internment camps were identical to US internment camps except the Nazi camps were in locations where food sources and transport were bombed out of existence. What do you think the jap camps would have looked like if starving US marines were desperately trying to hold the line at the Mississippi? There is nothing special about the bad things that happened to jews that hasn't happened to billions of people throughout history.

>>936815332
Lists exact number of cremations as fact
>>The exact number of Jewish people cremated in the ovens is challenging to determine precisely,
How about because of outright lying, exaggerations and revisionist history?

>>936826951
Fat is fuel and it does cause the body to burn faster.

>>936827538
fat is simply more mass that needs more time to dissolve in a crematorium setting
less mass -> less time needed to dissolve

what, you think a 350lbs whale will be done faster than a 70lbs miss skeletal at 1400F?

>>936827672
Fat accelerates the burning off of the tissue

>>936828362
fat starts to melt and evaporates at 180F, how the fuck is that going to accelerate anything when the temps are at 1400F?

>>936827042
my speculation is probably fairly accurate though and its better than nothing.
i actually have several incinerators i use for animal corpses, on a related note small animals like rodents or raccoons go FAST due to the higher surface area to mass ratio.
its like on the order of 2-3 min for a pile of 50 fresh mice using wood as fuel.

>>936824406
>>936828362
nope, look up latent heat of vaporization for water. thats a lot of joules per kilo. fat would increase the energy output sure... that is, if there was enough oxygen in the burn chamber for it to react with. overall fat muscle and by extension water would increase the burn time by a few minutes at least. also fat takes energy to vaporize too. this will bring the temperature down until it has evaporated fully, think about how long it takes to boil a pot of water and the temperature remains almost the same throughout.

>>936827281
>>936827311
the incinerators at auschwitz are the direct flame type, these numbers seem accurate for more modern furnaces designed to not mix the fuel ashes with the cremated remains however the nazis had no such intention. since they were intended as somewhat temporary installments they probably increased the temperature in favor of performance in exchange for longevity.

They
didn't
cremate
all
the
bodies

>>936828657
>not mix the fuel ashes with the cremated remains however the nazis had no such intention
indeed
also no need to let the remains cool off, nobody cared about injured workers
keep the ovens at temperature and running

>>936828657
My speculation is better than facts

>>936822871
>I'm not a retarded theist
Says the holohoax believer shabbos goy.
Gods makes more sense than the shoah.

>>936828657
The fat is burning, not vaporizing. It would be kind to leave the mice for the raptors instead of burning them.

>>936830216
160000 is only about 3% of 500000.

>>936806498 (OP)
jews always be lying, that's why they need laws against questioning anything they say

>>936832479
Questioning what the screens tell you diminishes the power we have over you. This is a danger to our democracy as our democracy only works correctly if you vote exactly as we tell you to.

Wouldn't an oven burning millions of bodies an hour require a chimney?

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>>936806498 (OP)
yeah