fat assed loli edition

>>936954995 (OP)
I got bullied into changing a small lolis diaper

The plappening

>>936956436
too fat

>>936957370
This is rape. She raped him.

936957109
Notice: "furry OR zoophile".
Some people here think otherwise anyway.

>>936957370
whats the source?

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>>936957409
Definitionally, "rape" (in the U.S. and other countries) necessitates the non-consented insertion of "any object" (or specifically genitalia in the context of oral-rape), this does not apply to "forced to penetrate" cases because they're just "sexual assault"/"sexual violence" or some other charge.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_the_United_States#Definitions

>>936957836
For u

>>936957836
>non-consented insertion of "any object"
... into the vagina or anus*

>>936957872
>For u
Yes, this is (fictional-)rape; The other video (webm) wasn't (fictional-)rape.

>>936957946
Good, we should spread awareness to the very serious blight of loli rapists.

Just jerked off to Little Lips (1978)

I just finished this one last night <3

Children of the future age,
Reading this indignant page,
Know that in a former time
Love, sweet love, was thought a crime.

In the age of gold,
Free from winter's cold,
Youth and maiden bright,
To the holy light,
Naked in the sunny beams delight.

Once a youthful pair,
Filled with softest care,
Met in garden bright
Where the holy light
Had just removed the curtains of the night.

>>936957218
I like healthy girls

>>936954995 (OP)
>fat assed loli edition
Fuck yeah

>>936957321
>Vagina censored.

Fucking Japs

more Jahy please

I never censor my work ever :3

(Except that one time I had a pixiv)

That’s all for now :3

>>936958624
Thanks. I love redheads.

>>936956436
>See twerking video with sound on ATF booru
>It always has some cringe nigger music playing in the background
Why are porn artists like this?

>>936960209
Who is this artist? Seriously one of the best western loli artist I've seen yet.

But I drank a liter of ginger ale. Doesn’t this mean I wear black sweater now?

>>936958526
The funny thing is, they started to censor obscenity because of Western influence. And it got much worse during US occupation (what a surprise).

>>936960364
okymi, pretty good art indeed

Hiro-chan is a good girl

Your fortune: Very Bad Luck

Where tf is Shoujo Ramune ep 5?

>>936957836
False.

any loli thong?

>>936963866
>False.
False
>>936957836
>True

>>936961515
is this Rustle or AI?

Fucking AI vro ;-; it’s been on and off all of today, shit is slow asf.

>>936964445
False.
>>936963866
Correct.

>>936965024
Need

>>936964614
AI based on his style

>>936961265
This has depth

>>936957370
This would have been hot with believable and non-retard level dialogue. Or even no dialog, that's a lot better than this boner killing cringe shit that virgins write for this stuff.

>>936972115
not interested in your blog, post some loli or shut the fuck up

This thread shows why i will NEVER EVER let my daughter anywhere near men. Men are all disgusting pedos.

>>936974346
Oh, it's you again.

>>936974616
Why not just stop being a pedophile? Oh that's right, it's in your nature as a MAN to find children attractive! In fact, the only reason most fathers even bother to have kids is because they are a pedo. That's why i chose to be a single mother - so that my daughter won't have to live under the same roof as a man who probably wants to rape her.

>>936974836
What are you going to do when Trump cuts your handouts?

>>936974836
I'm no man, just a lurker.

>>936975001
>i'm no man
Good to know that there are other womyn here in this thread and it's not all just MALE PEDOPHILES!!

>>936975276
I thought you had gotten yourself banned anon, welcome back.

>>936975312
Thanks for welcoming me into this PEDO therad, but just know no MAN, which includes you PEDOs, will ever be allowed anywhere near my daughter.

>>936975396
I didn't know you had a daughter. Is she a difficult kid or is she well behaved?

>>936975276
It's a small world.

>>936975477
I'm not telling you any details about my daughter, because i know you SICK FUCKS will just masturbate to it. I will not fuel your sick fantasies

>>936975600
Hey, you're the one that brought it up. Go hug your daughter, you're wasting your time here.

>>936975677
she is sleeping right now

>>936975312
Oh i was and have been now some uhh...jz the amount of bans i have collected at this point i reckon would be in the 10k+ most likely, over the course of however many years it's been

>>936975715
Does she also poke at your eyes to wake you up when she wakes up? Being a single mom sounds pretty hard.

>>936975600
Take care of her, make sure she doesn't end up in these places.

>>936975823
damn, you can't stop thinking about my daughter, almost as if you are having sick and depraved fantasies about her and are wanting to get more info about her to fuel those fantasies. you're disgusting

>>936975879
oh don't worry, i will be keeping her as far away from MEN like you as possible

>>936975928
Just curious why you'd be wasting the little respite you get while she sleeps here. It's pretty exhausting for parents, and that's with two of them.

>>936976026
because i am a strong womyn and am willing to fight PEDOPHILES and MEN to my last, dying breath. i hate MEN with a burning passion because of the way they think about children.

>>936975956
Again, not a man.
Go make sure your daughter sleeps well, hug and kiss her, make her feel loved.

Trannies aren't women tho

>>936976127
She's already asleep, i don't want to wake her up.

>>936976164
Im not trans, im a biologycal womyn, not a man who tries to get into the bathroom with little girls. it seems you are projecting.

>>936974836
When Germany decriminalized non-acting pedos, people are able to get treatment therapy without being tuned in to the police. almost 60% of the people seeking treatment for pedophilia were women.

>>936976174
That's understandable, give her a warm hug once she wakes up though.
The last thing you should deprive a daughter of is love.

>>936976116
I don't believe your daughter story, no way you're functional enough to care for one. If you do have one, try and make sure she does not grow up to be the sort of person that comes here. All the best to you anon.

>>936976116
these larps are getting really cringe lately.

>>936975396
>Thanks for welcoming me into this PEDO therad
BTW, everyone knows why you're ACTUALLY in this thread... XDD

>No daughter of mine will be courted or marry a responsible adult at a young age
>She has to get fucked by sixty niggers all the way through highschool and college like a decent human being
Why are parents like this?

>>936976223
i will make sure to keep her away from MEN so that she dosen't get groomed or kidnapped by the type of MAN who gose here

>>936976259
Yes, everyone knows i am here to fight pedophilia online. why did you THINK i came here?
>>936976285
Her body, Her choice, but i am for sure going to avoid her being anywhere near men during her childhood and make sure to teach her feminist teachings and how most men would view her as a sex object, that way she will know to stay cautious of men

>>936976415
>i am here to fight pedophilia online.
If you really want to do that, join the FBI.
>make sure to teach her feminist teachings and how most men would view her as a sex object
Lmao, "Hey, [name], the majority of men don't think of you as human and want to fuck your brains out" - most normal mother of all time.

>>936976668
funny how you are making me out to be the weirdo, when you MEN are the reason i have to tell her this. it's for her saftey. i wouldn't want her to get raped because she didn't know the truth about men.

>>936976415
>Her body her choice
>Unless her choice is to have an adult man lick her kiddie pussy

>>936976773
children can't give informed consent, so your argument falls flat. there's a reason the age of consent is 18, and thats because children are impressionable and thus susceptable to manipulation by bad actors (such as YOU) to get her to "agree" to sexual stuff. that's why children can't consent, and it's my duty as a mother to keep her away from pedophiles, and by extension, men.

>>936976773
>her choice is to have an adult man lick her kiddie pussy
To be fair, relationship between child and adult are rather one-sided. Not only children are hardcoded to follow adult's instructions, adult dude have simply more wit, cash and influence to sway her opinion. It's hardly a conscious choice in this circumstances.

>>936976910
Not even the age of consent in all US states, let alone around the world.

>>936976763
You remind me of the mother who murdered her daughter to "save" her from pedos. The girl's name was Cecilia Buckley and I think it happened in 2011 or maybe a bit before then. You give off those same psycho vibes.

>>936976997
yeah, because most world governments are ruled by patriarchal regimes with men in positions of power. obviously MEN would have a vested interest in lowering the age of consent.

>>936977076
The age of consent has pretty much only ever been raised since its creation. Rich politicians fuck kids all they want in their pedo networks. They don't need it to be legal and it allows them to arrest and blackmail plebs over it.

>>936976966
>Not only children are hardcoded to follow adult's instructions, adult dude have simply more wit, cash and influence to sway her opinion
Switch "children" for "women" and "adult" for "men" and you'll have how relationship have been since the beginning of mankind up until (((modern times)))

>>936977142
Good thing that now, thanks to feminism, womyn no longer have to get into relationships with men who view them as sex objects. i will never get into a relationship with a man.

What I don't get is why elites, millionaires, superstars and so, all fuck kids, why is it that the first thing they ever do once they are above laws and ethics, is to fuck kids?

>>936977281
Kind of a common sentiment generally for men and women now. Relationships are kind of fucked now.

Also, no one just comes into these threads to argue btw

>>936977281
Yeah, they just become less than objects for their employers instead, such a great tradeoff

>>936977313
Because the vast majority of men are pedos, so once they are above the law, ther rape children. it's in men's nature.
>>936977322
>no one just comes into these threads to argue
i do. just because you come into these threads to jack off to drawings of little girls getting raped dosen't change the fact these 4chan loli threads are the greastest repository of open pedophiles on the internet to argue with. where else would i go if i wanted to argue with pedophiles?

>>936977466
>Because the vast majority of men are pedos, so once they are above the law, ther rape children. it's in men's nature.
Most aren't but there is a decent chunk. Most don't molest their own children though that is a level above.
>i do. just because you come into these threads to jack off to drawings of little girls getting raped dosen't change the fact these 4chan loli threads are the greastest repository of open pedophiles on the internet to argue with. where else would i go if i wanted to argue with pedophiles?
Places like twitter and any other more used platform will have far more.

>>936976910
>hey can I lick your cunny?
>sure, sounds fun!
Sounds like consent to me

>>936977611
i tried arguing with lolicons on twitter, but most kept denying being pedophiles and trying to prove to them that they are proved too time consuming and detracted from the main point, so i moved to 4chan.

>>936977674
Well it's not as there is a massive power dynamic at play between a child and adult and because chances are she was coerced into agreeing in the first place. besides, children do not know enough about sex to give informed consent.

>>936977466
>wanted to argue with pedophiles
But… why? There is no real debate, you are just mad at us. Is this your way to deal with stress or something?

>>936977813
>power dynamic
There's literally not a single human relationship that doesn't have clearly defined power dynamics, that's just how we humans are
>coerced
She kept coming back for more herself tho
>children do not know enough about sex to give informed consent.
We can teach them

>>936977883
>She kept coming back for more herself tho
You are implying that you actually did this in real life, which is more than concerning. also, this is most likley a result of grooming and manipulation.
>We can teach them
Yeah but most so-called "sex education" is drag queens showing dildos and porn books to children. I will be teaching my daughter feminist theory, however.

>>936978001
We are talking about a hypothetical scenario which actually happens quite often
>grooming
If she likes it, she enjoys it, she wants it to keep happening and she's not being hurt in any way how do you argue it's wrong?

>>936977708
>I tried arguing my completely baseless point that I will never give on no matter how much empirical evidence to the contrary is given to me so I came to a place will people will call me a nigger faggot and ignore me.
Ok

>>936978120
Rape harms children, if not physically, then mentally in the long term. you can look up victim's testimonies online if you are interested.

>>936977813
>besides, children do not know enough about sex to give informed consent.
What is there to know? How sex is different from a kiss, or a hug? I mean, there are diseases and size difference can be an issue, but sex is not some kind of sacred ritual.

>>936978001
>I will be teaching my daughter feminist theory
I am no parent, but a common problem with conservative approach to education in fiction is that child grows curious and does stupid shit.

>>936978001
Teach her chess too, we haven't had a good female chess player since Judith Polgar.

>>936978126
4chan lolicons are more self aware than twitter lolicons, in that they recoginse they are pedophiles.
answer me this - why would a man be turned on by a a drawing of a child getting raped if they were not a pedophile?

>>936978162
Who said anything about rape?

>>936978293
all sex with children is rape

>>936978262
I'll argue with you in good faith, its been a while. They are turned on by the drawing and not actual children. I realize that's not always the case and there are plenty of actual pedophiles on /b/. (See the sticky for an example) I like the drawings. Thats it. Take it or leave it.

I think this image is very cute.

>>936978262
>answer me this
No.
Show me your tits.

>>936978366
Damn, western art is bad.

>>936978366
There are plenty of people in this thread that will seethe at me for not liking actual children as a matter of fact. (Prove me wrong) Some of us just like the drawings.

>>936978366
>i like the drawings
drawings of what? wouldn't you prefer drawings of adults if you weren't a pedo?

>>936978389
>show me your tits
Men really can't see a womyn online without objectifying her. also no, i won't show my tits to a bunch of creepy MEN.

>>936978308
How is it rape when she loves it so much?

>>936978416
Yes…we know.

>>936978434
I like art of plenty of things aside from lolis. I like hentai of big titty milfs to. Hyperstylzed drawings don't have feelings or emotions. They can't be hurt or abused like real people. They also are different in both appearance and method of creation to CASM.

Is the new Shoujo Ramune out yet? I’ve got my lolinco ready

>>936978434
>>936978531
To take your argument to its logical conclusion, one that you will likely dismiss with retardation (Thats different because!) What is Grand Theft Auto? A game where you are doing what?

>>936978531
You may be right about the drawings, but a lot of lolicon content hinges around their ages

>>936978646
Do you masturbate to killing NPCs in GTA?

>>936978531
Just know im not accusing you of being a sex offender or child molester, but of being a pedophile. a pedophile is anyone who is attracted to prepubescent children, wether real or a fictional drawing.
>>936978646
you seem to think that i am saying jacking off to loli is the same as raping children, when that is not what i am arguing. do you think straight people jack off to yaoi? or would doing so make you gay?

>>936978646
Grand Theft Auto is a violent fantasy, lolicon is a pedophilic fantasy, Americans like violence more than sex, news at 11.

>>936978655
This doesn't personally change the fact that I like the drawings and don't view CP the same way. I can only speak for myself of course. A character saying in dialog that she is 10 doesn't turn me on. The doujinshi drawing of said character does. And to get ahead of your next reply.
>Mental gymnastics
Is that a bad thing?

>>936978702
Yes

>>936978739
I do think straight people jack off to Yaoi. Jacking off to Yaoi is different then fucking a man or being attracted to real men.

>>936978748
This is true. I agree with you

>>936978790
>Yes
Then you're still fucked up in the head

>>936978790
>I do think straight people jack off to Yaoi.
really? because i haven't seen anyone who does claim to be straight. could you provide an example?

>>936978847
as if they weren't already due to being a pedo.

>>936978790
>Jacking off to the male physique is different from being gay
No, that's the literal definition of homosexuality

>>936978655
>lolicon content hinges around their ages
Never understood this, actually, age is literally just a number. Does it make a difference if a girl marked as 12 instead of 13?
I don't interact with kids much, but they can vary quite a lot even when approximately the same age. So I am more focused on a general body type, like toddler/loli/teen.

Some lolicons have pedophilic tendencies. And that’s OK—they didn’t choose to be born like that. Remember the #1 rule: Yes Lolita No Touch

trading loli hentai captions :3

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>>936978821
Yeah. GTA publishers lost a million dollar lawsuit because of unused code in GTA4 that had a sex minigame, even though the game is rated mature and you had to mess with the source code in unintended ways to see the minigame. In a game where you steal cars, shoot at cops at run over pedestrians. Americans are crazy.

>>936978888
kind of how jacking off to the child physique (lolicon) is the definition of pedophilia

>>936978308
wrong

>>936978853
Weird question? You want me to name a famous person who is heterosexual, but Jack's off to Yaoi?

>>936978847
I was joking you goofball. You asked a stupid question, so I gave a stupid answer. What are you an ESL who doesn't understand sarcasm through text?

>>936978888
The majority of Yaoi is drawn in such a way where the ""men"" are the same as how women are drawn just with dicks.

>>936978888
Nice quads!

>>936978762
>A character saying in dialog that she is 10 doesn't turn me on.
I see. Well, for me it does. This could be due to many reasons, taboo notwithstanding. I’m not trying to diagnose you or anything anon, every one is different after all

>>936979004
>You want me to name a famous person who is heterosexual, but Jack's off to Yaoi?
not a famous person, anyone. just find some screenshots off twitter that are more than a couple days old to make sure you didn't plant them.

>>936979004
>the ""men"" are the same as how women are drawn just with dicks.
Traps aren't the majority of yaoi anon, and even traps aren't 100% straight either

>>936979083
>Well, for me it does.
PEDO ALERT!!!

>>936979093
The only social media I use is 4chan anon. I'll out myself for the sake of argument. I've fapped to yaoi and I've never had the faintest desire of having sex with a man. Even a tranny.
>Your gay
OK

>>936979104
Its still vastly different then the reality of a real man in terms of appearance, hearing a masculine voice, even smelling a man. This is the harsh fate of tranny fuckers for instance. The drawing doesn't inspire gay thoughts, just like how loli (doesn't necessarily spur pedophilic thoughts)

>>936979267
>Minor spelling mistake
Fuck I LOSE

>>936979154
It’s not necessarily pedophilia though, could be due to the taboo as anon said. There’s a reason it’s repeated so often in doujins

>>936979305
This is a legit argument to. Some people want to just feel anything at all after years of vanilla porn consumption and loli/shota hentai/doujins scratch that itch.

>>936979083
It does for me too but personally not so much because of the taboo but because it's just another way of dirty talking, the same kind you'd have if you were having sex with anyone else regardless of their age

>>936979267
>Your gay
>Ok
well then that dosen't prove your point then. You are not "straight" and jack off to yaoi, you are just gay
>loli dosen't nessecarily spur pedophilic thoughts
well it's the pedophilic thoughts that spur loli consumption

New topic. How do you anons fap to doujins? I’ve got a backlog of LO stories but when I get horny reading through them is a drag and I just go on some booru. Which is a shame because a lot of these are really high quality

>>936979384
i dont coz im not a pedo like you are

>>936979294
>Minor spelling mistake
You failed at something children that can do easily...

>>936979438
>minor spelling mistakes your spelling mistake

>>936979438
>something children can do easily
and hwo would you know that, pedo?

>>936979372
Eh, you are running off the road here. Loli consumption, spurs more loli production. Ever since Studio Pierrot's Mahou Shoujo shows in the early 80s (and probably before that) mangaka and anime studios have created loli art and media to cater to otaku. No, I'm not gay, I'm not even bi, sorry to disappoint you.

>>936979476
And you're fully awake, right?
>>936979492
>and hwo would you know that, pedo?
Uhh.. the child is the one doing, not me!

>>936979384
>when I get horny reading through them is a drag
Same. I usually just skip through the story - it tends to be generic enough to be understood without reading everything.
If I spot something interesting, I keep it open so I could come back to that doujin later, when I am not too horny to read.

>>936979267
Feudal Japan knows how to do gay sex better than the modern world. You fuck a young man and your wife. That way you mentor the young man, and the older man has the motivation to be virtuous to show off to his young partner. Plus you have children with your wife, and young men are beautiful in their own way.

>>936979267
>Its still vastly different then the reality of a real man in terms of appearance
Then how do people recognize them as male characters?
>Touching a male
Are virgin gays not gay?

>>936979384
I like to read the stuff, it's endearing to me, I usually prefer going through sadpanda and don't really like going through boorus for the same reason, too much trash improperly tagged as loli

>>936979800
>How do people recognize them as male
Dicks usually, although futanari art exists so its kind of just by how its categorized on a shelf or site at the end of the day. As for touching men, I was referencing the sensation. Its a different animal touching a man vs touching a screen or page. Many anons may not know that difference in fairness, but its there and it's sharp.

>>936979929
>how its categorized on a shelf or site at the end of the day
People can clearly distinguish between a anime man and an anime woman without tags explicitly defining what they are. If you show pic related to anyone they will clearly identify these are men, even if they don't even know about anime and manga

>>936979929
>Its a different animal touching a man vs touching a screen or page.
Not what I asked, are virgin gay not gay? Are heterosexual men not heterosexual unless they touch a woman? A physical act is not necessary for a sexuality to exist

>>936980047
Look at the picture you just posted and type with a straight face that either of those cartoons looks anything like a real person first of all.

>>936980047
Nice yaoi hands, women really like that for some reason lol

>>936980115
Go to the gym, fatty

>>936980091
There is a such a thing as a virgin gay man. My argument is that someone who masturbates to yaoi porn can be straight. What is your point, how does your question refute my argument?

>>936980161
No man has that physique with clear TITS or that facial structure, you are coping.

>>936980206
Work on those pecs more anon.

>>936980296
Would you squeeze Arnold's pecs?

>>936980349
You'd be gay if u wouldn't

>>936980115
The fact you can identify them as being male proves they look real enough for your mind to recognize them as such, idealized concepts aren't separate from their realistic counterpart

>>936980168
If you're a male are attracted to males then you're gay, even if you don't have sex with men, and if you're a male and consume gay porn then you're also objectively gay

>>936979625
>I usually just skip through the story
Just find something that's either not story-dense or has a really good story.
>>936979800
>Then how do people recognize them as male characters?
The same way you recognize anything (animals, plants... etc) as male...
>>936980047
Yaoi isn't even gay; It's for women.

>>936980500
I can draw a stick figure with a blue hat and one with a pink bow and you'd assume arbitrarily that one is male and one is female based off of that. It doesn't change the fact that fapping to said picture wouldn't make you gay, you could make an argument that you are infact attracted to stick figures.

>>936980561
A drawing doesn't have a sex outside of whatever sex is assigned to it by the genitalia drawn on it. It still does not feel, smell, sound or taste like a man.

>>936980750
I used the wrong word again, you'd surmise that the stick figure with the blue hat is male, it isn't an arbitrary choice, my bad, doesn't change the fact its still a stick figure, like this is a bunch of lines >>936980047

>>936980670
>The same way you recognize anything (animals, plants... etc) as male
By looking at their characteristics and realizing they match the description of a male? Glad you agree with me, the fact that even people that don't watch anime can tell you what gender they look like proves 2d images are inherently tied to real world concepts

>>936980750
>fapping to said picture wouldn't make you gay
If you recognize it as a male and you masturbate to it then that's gay, but that being said there's quite a difference between an stick figure and a androgynous figure that has been drawn to mimic the male physique, or the female physique or the physique of an elderly person, etc

>>936980887
They may be tied to real world concepts, but that doesn't change the fact they are substantially different. Fiction and nonfiction. Fabrication vs reality.

>>936981005
Of course they're different, just like watching gay porn on pornhub is not the same as literally getting fucked in the ass, but both are still gay regardless

>>936980985
If someone faps to the image you posted, but has no attraction to real men is that person gay in your mind? I'd argue that these people, myself with loli included, embody a different category. Escapism in a sense, a desire for the physical form as drawn and not the actual thing.

>>936981100
So there are levels of gay like that old furry image with the balls touching vs not touching?

>>936981123
real men and fictional men are both subsets of the parent concept of "men", if you masturbate to any of the two you're gay because you're attracted to men in both cases.

>>936978001
> Yeah but most so-called "sex education" is drag queens showing dildos and porn books to children. I will be teaching my daughter feminist theory, however.
It’s always the “rad fem” terfs that willfully come to loli communities and decide to have a melt down. I remember one lady on atf who claimed she ‘’wanted to monitor the website to make sure her son wasn’t getting any bad ideas’’ and would then go on and on about trannies in the politics board.

>>936981172
More like there's different forms of expressing someone's faggotry

>>936957636
Shoujo Kyouiku RE, Episode 2

>>936981450
Masturbation to drawings is not the same thing as an attraction to real life men. Those things are not mutually exclusive. You can fap to Yaoi and be gay, you can fap to Yaoi and be straight. I find it odd that you think otherwise and I don't believe any argument I can posit will change your mind, but I will continue giving you (You)s for as long as you'd like.

>>936981172
Found it

the japs are too busy jerking it to upload the untranslated version of episode 5

>>936981625
>you can fap to Yaoi and be straight
No, you can't, if you're attracted to drawn men fucking other drawn men in the ass you're bisexual at the very least, I don't see how this is even something anyone would disagree with, you could ask anyone if this looks gay and I'm pretty sure most human beings would agree that it does.

You can't separate drawings from reality because both are tied to the same concepts or ideas, they are different representations of the same exact thing.

>>936981897
If I jack off to the image you posted and I have no intention to, nor have I ever had sexual relations of any kind with a man, am I still gay? You'd consider me a virgin gay man? Or a bisexual? Even if I've only ever fucked women, but your standards I'd still be gay?

>>936981987
By your standards*

>>936981897
Reality also isn't a "representation" I think that's the disconnect we have. Real life is real life. Drawings are drawings. They are different things anon! Different things that can and do provoke different responses.

>>936981987
You're extremely gay. The gayest fruity prancing lala homo I have ever seen.

>>936981987
>and I have no intention to, nor have I ever had sexual relations of any kind with a man, am I still gay?
Yes, celibate gays are still gay, celibate heterosexual people are still heterosexual, acting on it or not doesn't change the fact that the sexual attraction still exists

What defines your orientation is the thoughts and desires you have, not the physical actions you take

>>936981987
Not him, but in a sense I would, yeah. You would technically be a bisexual with a preference for anime men exclusively and real women/anime women. Pretty easy logic.

>>936982152
I'm straight as an arrow, but whatever you want to believe is fine by me. I'm baffled by the direction this conversation went, but its been fun nonetheless. I assume you are a homosexual, because by your standards you've saved gay porn.

>>936982314
I'm a different anon. But anyway, I'm not in the closet about it like you lol.

>>936975396
>just know no MAN, which includes you PEDOs
Pretty messed up to assume genders like that!
>will ever be allowed anywhere near my daughter.
50/50, that's the split in everything from paedophilia, rape and domestic abuse.

Women are just as messed up as men, just better at covering it up and getting away with it.

>>936982078
>Reality also isn't a "representation"
It quite literally is, in the sense that anything that exists, be it in fiction or in the real world, interacts with us through our perception, and the process of perceiving them and understanding them works in the exact same way regardless if they're real objects or just images or even words

If I tell you the word "car" you know what I'm talking about even if there's no physical object itself present here, because we speak and understand though concepts, through abstracts, and things are just an extension of those abstracts.

>>936982172
My thoughts and desires? I admittedly don't think much about what I jack off to. I don't get post nut clarity like some do and I'm not emotionally attached to any pornography I've ever viewed. Its not an attraction or love. Its debatably an arousal, but even that might be a little strong. I'm starting to get the thought that we are all taking this a bit too seriously.

>>936982225
I don't wholly disagree with your premise. I think the distinction between anime and real life is the core of my whole argument. I just don't think fapping to a drawing contributes to your sexuality. Atleast it doesn't for me. The yaoi shota doesn't come out of the page and jerk me off for example. I have no way to act on my lust towards the drawings, except through masturbation. Its not real.

>>936982314
>I'm straight as an arrow
>I just watch gay porn from time to time
Okay man, whatever helps you sleep at night

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>>936982526
This is a very pedantic example, but a drawn car isn't the same as a real car either anon. I can't touch it. I can't smell the exhaust. I can't lick the metal bumper like a troglodyte.

>>936982354
Not that there is anything wrong with that. I just figured as much. No, I'm not in the closet.

>>936982584
Yep

>>936977135
And when there were no such laws people were happy, marriage to a girl only led to a long and happy relationship :3

And data supports this, women especially lose their ability to bond the older they get. Its the reason why single mothers are so common and one large factor behind the jewish created feminism and "freedom".

Women played themselves hard lmao.

>>936982745
Man, you're deluded, lmao. Good troll though, I like the character.

>>936982544
>Its debatably an arousal
It's not debatable, biologically speaking it's an arousal, and I'm just using "thoughts" as a broad term to describe anything that's going on in your head, consciously or subconsciously

>>936982808
Its the truth and how I view things. You are welcome to think differently, but I know I'm not the only lolicon who doesn't view actual CP and finds it morally reprehensible, while enjoying and supporting loli manga and anime.

>>936982825
Head empty, no thoughts.

>>936982745
>but a drawn car isn't the same as a real car either anon.
It's not, and no one is saying it is, the thing is that when I draw a car you don't go "this is an abstract machine that doesn't exist in reality so you can't say it's a car" because that would be really fucking stupid

>>936982960
>Head empty, no thoughts
No such thing exists

>>936982960
A straight guy won't even be able to finish his business looking at boy love hentai anon. He just won't feel any excitement looking at it, it is simply a turn off, it's a visceral reaction. Sorry you had to find out this way, but you're a fag.

>>936982982
Thats not what I'm saying though anon. I'm saying their are fundamental tangible differences between the drawn car and a real car. I can't drive a copy of Initial D for chrissakes.

>>936983024
冗談.

>>936982544
> I just don't think fapping to a drawing contributes to your sexuality
I use sexuality as a term to describe a broader sexual makeup of a person. So, if you only like illustrations of something then thats an added tagline
>anon’s sexuality: likes real women and illustrations of preteens and the occasional illustration of dude
which, is where pronouns and stuff come in, much like genre labels, it’s a never ending debate to help clarity and streamline language.

Either way, I feel the main reason this loli debate persists is because lolicons feel uncomfortable with the p word and it’s negative assumptions tied to it. I think once you realize there is nothing inherent, legally, psychological, or even definitional, about it you stop worrying.

Daily reminder: sex with children

>>936983089
>>936983207
>>936983089
I disagree. I think if you look up Mitsui Jun's work you'd have a different stance.

>>936983207
I argue this point because I find it fun and I define pedophilia as an attraction to real children. A definition I do not fit. It doesn't offend or scare me.

>>936983282
My tagging got all fucked on this one sorry, drunk

>>936983099
>their are fundamental tangible differences between the drawn car and a real car.
Of course there are, no one is arguing otherwise. The thing is that they're still recognized as the same "car" concept by you in the exact same way, a proof of this is how you associated the fictional object with "driving" just like you would a real car.

As I said, you experience everything that exists by the concepts in your mind, and you use your pattern-recognizing monkey brain of yours to match what you see with the mental images you have, which are the only true "things" that exist.

You should really study some ontology.

>>936983528
I use my monkey brain to jack off to drawings.

>>936983089
>it is simply a turn off, it's a visceral reaction
Literally, I posted those yaoi covers and it was literally off-putting to watch, even if it was just the cover page

>>936983282
> pedophilia as an attraction to real children
I actually do agree there is value in having a separate word to describe a attraction too:
>illustration of preteen
>real preteens
Simply because of the legal and moral ramifications. But only because of the irl ramifications. If we’re just talking about normal adult sex, this distinction seems redundant and pedantic. Still, I like my logic in a broad sense.
Also, don’t drink alone on a Friday night.

>>936983557
I accept your concession

>>936983604
>pedophilia as an attraction to real children
The word "real" is not really part of the definition. Pedo erotica written by and for pedos exist and those who read it are pedos, even if the children in those stories aren't real

>>936983604
I like drinking, I like drinking alone, I enjoy talking to anons. So I will continue doing those three things. I don't think the distinction is redundant at all. Attraction to real children leads to abuse. Attraction to drawings leads to no harm. Real CP leads to the continuation of a cycle of harm. Loli leads to more loli. Clear differences.

>>936983642
Ok. Point anon! I just fundamentally disagree with you and I don't think you've ever addressed my point about the other 4 senses

>>936983690
Real CP like I said here >>936983708 creates a cycle, whereas written and drawn porn does not.
Thats why its illegal, the trade is dependent on more being created and as more is created more children are hurt. Its bad. Loli manga, anime, pictures and, even the written harms no one except the sensitive sensibities of people.

>>936983746
All of your senses are connected to your brain, it's your brain the one who interprets their signals, it's your thoughts who define what things are, not your senses themselves

>>936983822
And your senses are what effects attraction. The only sense in play with pictures or anime is your sight and sometimes your hearing. Most yaoi anime encountered (admittedly few) have female seiyuu. Why do you think that is?

>>936983817
Irrelevant, no one is debating the morality of it, they're all pedo

>>936983891
Most I've encountered.*

>>936983909
No, I think its really relevant and, frankly, the fact you think its irrelevant kind of kills any argument you posit from here on.
>"I think a human child being assraped is the same as a drawing of same"
You see how stupid that sounds?

>>936983708
Yeah…
I mostly agree with your point. I think there is value in having a separator to describe attraction to illustration vs real. If having gay sex caused a bomb to go off I would apply the same standards. But, it doesn’t, so having a separator for illustration vs real tagged to gay sex is pointless. But because there is a a big moral conundrum with raping irl kids, i can see value in having a new word to separate an attraction to illustrations vs real. But, again, only because of moral issues.

>>936983891
>The only sense in play with pictures or anime is your sight and sometimes your hearing.
This doesn't make drawn gay porn less gay than live action gay porn.
>Most yaoi anime encountered (admittedly few) have female seiyuu. Why do you think that is?
Non sequitur, the anime industry does this in general (not just porn) because female voices are closer to what a child sounds like, not because yaoi characters aren't supposed to be males

And even then you're wrong, most yaoi VNs, and drama CDs are voiced by men like Mamoru Miyano, again, stop thinking traps/shota content is the majority of yaoi, because it isn't.

>>936983955
Are you retarded? What I'm saying is
>The fact that one of these things is objectively worse than the other has no bearing on the fact that both are pedophilic
I can't even comprehend how you could come up with such a fucking leap

>>936984061
Yaoi was just another fictional example that some anons ran with. It can be any fictional topic, the Grand Theft Auto one is where most people go, but then we get into the violence vs sexuality thing, which is a whole different argument.

>>936984114
I'll secede the point about the seiyuus to you, because I've engaged with admittedly little yaoi porn and the bulk of it was also shota porn. Out of curiosity do you think shota yaoi is the same level of gay as bara shota porn or trap shota porn?

>>936984190
At the risk of repeating myself, pedophilia is an attraction to children. Loli and shota hentai may portray fictional children, but they are not real children and thus its a different attraction then pedophilia in the traditional sense. I assumed you were arguing in bad faith and were equating the two as being of the same immorality. Thats why I called you a fucking idiot. If you weren't saying they are equally offensive, then my apologies.

>>936984292
>Out of curiosity do you think shota yaoi is the same level of gay as bara shota porn or trap shota porn
I don't think there's levels of gay, you're just gay, straight or bi, anything else is just personal preferences

>>936984370
>pedophilia is an attraction to children
>loli/shota portraits [...] children
Therefore loli/shota is pedophilic, them being fictional does not change this, I already gave you an example of how fictional children work perfectly to describe literal actual pedos.
Pedo erotica is a thing, which is full of fictional children and it's still fucking pedophilic.

>>936984398
I feel as if we have an impass. At the end of the day, I firmly believe that hentai of any kind is completely divorced from reality aside from the attributes given by the creator or the viewer to the characters within. Thats it. You can masturbate to yaoi porn and have no romantic intentions, love or even lust for irl men just the same as you can masturbate to loli porn and have no desire to sexually abuse children. The opposite is also true for both. I am incapable of convincing you of this and that to is fine.

>>936984493
Its words on a computer screen or on paper. It inspires whatever you want it to inspire in you. Its like tulpafags. Some people live entirely in their mindscape or Alternatively through their escapist fiction. Someone could read those stories and have no intent on acting improperly towards children. Not having any intent or committing any action may make you an inactive pedophile or it could not. There are people who read that sort of thing who do it for the taboo, the morbid curiosity, the black humor or the fantasy that the characters in the story look like their favorite anime girl.

>>936984516
I don’t think anyone disagrees with you. The definitions being provided don’t concern themselves with fictional or real

>>936984628
That's a relief. This topic in of itself is immaterial to most people so a word that properly describes what I am trying to articulate will never exist unfortunately.

>>936984516
And you're objectively wrong, nothing that we humans can perceive is completely disconnected from reality, study some fucking ontology
>You can masturbate to yaoi porn and have no romantic intentions, love or even lust for irl men
The fact that you are able to masturbate to yaoi porn proves you are attracted to men, regardless of your intentions. This is a fact, this is something almost everyone in the world will absolutely agree with, you're literally creating a coping mechanism in order not to deal with your own bisexuality, same with loli shit.

Face the facts like a man.

>>936984623
>Someone could read those stories and have no intent on acting improperly towards children.
This does not prove they aren't pedos, virpeds are a thing.
>do it for the taboo
This is a completely different matter, we are arguing around the fact you feel aroused by the fictional child, not by external factors

>>936984681
I've never denied that it may be cope, but its still what I truly believe. I am not trolling or bullshitting my stance. Its what I truly think and if thats just mental gymnastics? Fine, thats ok to. I'll be a closet gay that never comes out. That said I am not going to accept what the "majority of the world" as you put it says about anything and you shouldn't either. Don't be a NPC regurgitating what you've read or heard. I know what's immoral and what isn't. Masturbating to drawings is degenerate, but harmless and thats all that matters to me.

>>936984741
I feel aroused by lines on paper that is stated to be a child. (Not even always, plenty of Loli Babas and shortstacks) That is not the same thing as pedophila as I've said numerous times already

>>936984808
That said...I understand that a distinction will never be made in normal society and that's fine. Like I said this entire topic is immaterial to real life and real people anyway.

Stop giving retards attention as if they were here for any reason other than to fling shit around and then leave with the exact same mentality that they came in with. They are too stupid to learn and never wanted to from the beginning if it meant contradicting existing beliefs.

>>936984780
I'm not trying to appeal to the majority here, but in all honesty it is just the truth, an average person will react the same way if he sees two drawn men kissing as if he saw to irl men kissing.

It's just how the human mind works.

>>936984681
Does that mean I'm attracted to tentacle monsters? Or is it not the characters but the situation like the power dynamics or the primal instinct of the creatures cause I feel I don't look at the porn/hentai as real and is more the situation/scenarios that turns me on and not the characters regardless of ages/looks involved in the images.

>>936984889
I know that, I have fun arguing even if I'm arguing with a wall. I'm sorry I shitted up the thread with walls of text tho. I'll retire from debating this topic after the thread 404s.

>>936984808
>That is not the same thing as pedophila
It quite literally is, nothing in the definition of pedophilia states there needs to be an actual irl child involved.

Why can't you understand that porn, regardless of its "reality" interacts with the same predefined parts of your brain in the exact same way? And the way those parts are wires is what defines if you're gay, pedo, zoophile or whatever, the origin of the stimulus doesn't matter, the fact that you react to it is what matters

>>936964443
Minnie may is not a loli

Attraction to illustrations of preteens (lolicons)
Attraction to real preteens (pedophiles)
The umbrella term for both. (pedophile)
Engaging in one or the other or both is pedophilic behavior. Continual engagement would make you a pedophile.

I think the hang up is the pedophile being used to describe irl attraction AND being the umbrella term to encapsulate.

>>936984931
>Does that mean I'm attracted to tentacle monsters?
Do you watch it for the tentacle monster or for the girl?

>>936984905
I'm just a fat nerd who goes to work, goes home, watches anime and sleeps anon. My life is immaterial so is what I think and what I do. I simply do my best to avoid making others lives worse. (Past bickering with anons) At the end of the day is whether I'm gay for looking at yaoi a meaningful thing, worth this amount of discussion? I'd argue no.

>>936985011
I can only speak to my experiences, my brain and my thoughts and I've expressed ad nauseum how I feel about the topic being discussed. To ME its not the same thing and it never will be.

>>936985057
Its atleast in part immaterial because I will never fuck, man, women, childish, animal, corpse, vegetable or mineral.

>>936985037
It's just that simple, yet people will rather come up with mental gymnastics that defy everything we know about psychology, biology, ontology and philosophy just not be called the evil P word

>>936985057
>To ME its not the same thing and it never will be.
And you're objectively wrong, but whatever

>>936985196
OK. I'll live my life with the knowledge that I am objectively wrong and will hold my head up high. Congratulations on your overwhelming intellectual victory anon.

>>936985219
Thanks, pedo

>>936985314
Don't mention it. Just remember when you inevitably go into another loli thread to argue without any recognition you aren't inherently a pedophile.

>>936985037
No, doing the real thing would make you a pedosexual. Not a pedophile. People just don't seem to understand definitions very well...

>>936985413
So, pedophiles aren’t attracted to real children? Therefore being a lolicon is also pedophilic?

>>936985543
Like I said you don't understand the definition. That's not what I said.

>>936985543
This is a false equivalency. I would call you an ESL, but we've gotten this far without ad hominems.

>>936985590
Well, I provided a framework, you didn’t refute the framework in my eyes, you just added a new word and provided no other explanation. Can you add another framework with a similar structure .

>>936985844
This isn't some fancy development world where we make up frameworks. It's very simple definitions of words.

You're a pedophile if you are attracted to children. Whether they be drawn or not doesn't matter. You can say that is not the case. But the general term for someone who is attracted to children is a pedophile. Granted, a lolicon is someone who preferrs not to watch the real thing because they have a better judgement of the harm it causes to real people.

A pedosexual on the other hand is someone who proactively engages in sex with minors and attempts to do so. That is where the distinction between doing actual harm or not is.

>>936986053
I actually don't mind your definition of lolicon, but I insist there are lolicons who are not attracted to real children.

>>936986121
>I insist there are lolicons who are not attracted to real children.
anyone that claims this is lying to get attention.

>>936986121
I don't know, the matter of the fact is that it's still a depiction of the real thing. So in that sense they overlap. Whether someone who is a lolicon or not likes that or not. If you want to create a new term be my guest. But a general consensus will be hard to establish amongst the crowd if it does come to that.

>>936986204
You are just simple minded and incorrigible.

>>936986219
And that last sentence pretty much encapsulates my last few replies to these anons. None of this shit matters to the layperson, so a proper term will never exist for a lolicon who is not attracted to children.

>>936986053
I’m not even sure which side I’m taking to now.

All words are made up. It’s ok to make up frameworks to clarify words and ideas. It’s literally what the people at the dsm do. There are college courses you can take on genre. the only reason you can’t divide by zero is because is because mathematicians haven’t found a good general use for it.

If you want to add ‘pedosexual’ to my framework im all for it for clarification sake. Or come up with a better framework. But I’m still going to use an umbrella term for sexual attraction to preteens regardless of fiction or not.

>>936986121
Probably.

>>936986266
Right A does not equal B. If I were a lolicon I would already be happy with the established definitions and not try to push forward an agenda that a large part of the population doesn't want to acknowledge because they simply dissagree. Granted, this makes me simple minded.

>>936986353
Being simple minded is fine when the topic is like a lit match in a gasoline filled room. Its not worth discussing outside of (mostly) anonymous forums.

>>936986380
and it's not worth discussion inside anonymous forums either.

>>936986430
What's funny is I actually agree with you. The anti's for lack of a better word and the ones who insist on bringing it up and in fairness I think they are either closet lolicons or brand new. I refuse to believe there are any old fags who are actively anti lolicon. Why stay here? Why stay on /b/ specifically?

>>936986380
That's where therapy comes into play (for those that might've had bad experiences in their pasts). But that shouldn't leave the therapists office.

>>936986520
No, absolutely not. For any lolicon on this thread, if you listen to anything do not listen to this post >>936986520
under any fucking situation. You will be reported for the drawings and in any country, but the US and Japan you will be arrested and put on your country's sex offenders register. Do not fucking do this

>>936986488
>Why stay here? Why stay on /b/ specifically?
it's low hanging fruit.
loli threads on /b/ basically mean guaranteed replies.

>>936986573
You keep everything in your mind or on forums like 4chan. They are literally the only "safe spaces".

>>936986573
It's that bad to talk about your problems with professionals who can't keep their word or keep to secrecy huh. Which they are bound by contract.

>>936986676
Thats not how it works I'm afraid. Therapists have a "duty to warn" normies will assume loli/shota porn will lead to you committing sex crimes and thus they will report you.

>>936986053
Pedosexual as a separate term makes no sense, are people who like the opposite gender but don't fuck/rape them heterophiles? Anyone who's attracted to kids is a pedophile, and those who want to fuck them are just the exact same thing, but with different ethical beliefs that can arguably said to be bad and that are completely separate from their actual sexual orientation, just like raping regular adults has no bearing on you being more or less of a heterosexual person.

>>936986676
>Which they are bound by contract.
Contracts don't get to supersede laws

>>936986762
So instead of letting traumatized people get some rest, they put more pressure on it to now cause this person to get haunted for the rest of their lives by everyone they know, because.... Normies? Absolutely fantastic.

>>936986776
Now you are comparing actual rape to heterosexuality. Those are 2 distinct things. And yes maybe there should be a distinction there too. How about rapist and heterosexual? I think the world can very much agree on the fact that heterosexuals aren't by definition rapists.

No more images?

>>936986853
Thats how moderm society works. I'm not God king of shitmountain or else things would be different.

>>936986944
I thought we hit the cap

>>936986937
Consensual sex also isn't rape.

>>936986981
We did some got deleted

>>936987028
Why?

>>936986937
I mean you're the one implying the act of raping/wanting to rape changes the term they ought to be called, I'm just making an analogy

>>936987038
because they hate you

>>936987058
They didn't delete any of my posts.

>>936987107
then they hate jesus

>>936987052
Yes and they should be seperate in my opinion. If someone wants to but has enough will power not to. That is different then someone who caves in to their darkest desires. Maybe they should be on a list too, I don't dissagree there either. But the fact that lists exist kind of reminds me of a second world war. Scary shit. Especially if anyone with a differing world view or opinion can access those lists.

>>936986793
Good point. Those governing the laws should know very well what they are doing then.

>>936987193
Why? We don't separate adult rapists from adult lovers, they're all heterosexual or homosexual.

>>936987526
Point the finger where it hurts would you? Are you feminist by any chance?

Can someone uncensor pls

>>936987593
That's not an argument, the distinction is non existent, literally just a technicality made by a group of pedos that don't want to be associated with those who are considered the biggest evil in our society in an attempt to gain their favor. Which is funny because that's the exact same thing 2d only lolicons do about those virtuous pedophiles when they reject being pedos, and even funnier when you realize how pointless it is, as no amount of technicalities will make society stop wanting them dead

They really should just grow a fucking pair and accept their position in this world.

>>936987822
Right, so all pedo's which society want dead, should grow a pair... Sounds fair considering the amount of people wanting to do harm to them. If they'd all toughen up, that would probably save humanity right? Now we're not going to have a clash of people fighting for their lives because they dissagree with one another now, will we? What I also find part of growing up is not to harm others regardless of sexuality or opinion. But we can't have that either.

>>936987995
By growing a pair I mean not giving a fuck about what society thinks of you and your orientation, they don't need to know you're a pedophile and you don't need for them to accept that part of you in order to be a functioning member of society.
>"boohoo they all want to hurt me :("
Just don't let them, is that fucking simple, and also way easier than trying to convince them you're "one of the good guys"