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Anonymous No.941457902 [Report] >>941458286 >>941461226 >>941462648 >>941463701 >>941464091 >>941464267 >>941467686 >>941468892 >>941468938 >>941468974 >>941469017 >>941469045 >>941469071 >>941469823 >>941470430 >>941474847 >>941475063 >>941475576 >>941475588 >>941476763 >>941483632 >>941496358 >>941498576 >>941500309 >>941501197 >>941501841 >>941503060
Does God exist?
Anonymous No.941458286 [Report]
>>941457902 (OP)
Only in the deluded minds of retards
Anonymous No.941461226 [Report] >>941463580
>>941457902 (OP)
"Is there more than the material world"
Yes, anon.
Anonymous No.941462648 [Report]
>>941457902 (OP)
only a deist god that doesn't give a shit about his creation
Anonymous No.941463346 [Report] >>941475530
it's not what you're thinking of. semitic mythology is just that
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/The_All
Anonymous No.941463580 [Report] >>941467802 >>941468947 >>941481616 >>941483859 >>941489979
>>941461226
may we see it?
Anonymous No.941463701 [Report]
>>941457902 (OP)
Unfortunately, 81 to 83 percent of Americans believe there is. Humans must have their stories no matter how ridiculous.
Anonymous No.941464091 [Report]
>>941457902 (OP)
People are too afraid of not believing because god will know and kick their asses into hell lol. Humans are so goofy.
Anonymous No.941464267 [Report] >>941464463 >>941464609
>>941457902 (OP)
>Does God exist?

There is no empirical logical reason to think a god or gods exist.

The reasons believers give us to "prove" their god all come down to a) "my religious leader or book says so", or b) personal faith proves god.
A) fails because of all the competing claims of religious leaders and books. B) fails because faith can not be used to distinguish true from false.
Anonymous No.941464463 [Report] >>941464609 >>941467574 >>941468044 >>941500474
>>941464267
I used to think this too but there is empirical and repeatable proof of non physical existence, there is also witness testimony and reports (non-repeatable in lab conditions but recurring enough to study).
>Near death experiences
Read or watch lots of these. There are many which defy explanation. There is some unknown non physical mechanism at play.
>DMT experiments
They're having experiences which gives information otherwise unknowable. Repeated experiences.
>Deep trance meditation
Can cause out of body experience and so on.
I'm phoneposting so I cbf to type it all out but anyone who sincerely wants to know the true nature of reality can investigate these three aspects and realise there's some kind of non physical reality.
Does that mean the Christian god exist? Imo no I think that's bullshit.
If there is a god it's more like the concept in Advaita Vedanta called satchitananda.
Anonymous No.941464609 [Report]
>>941464267
>>941464463
Anonymous No.941467574 [Report] >>941467744
>>941464463
>muh NDEs

You must be retarded
Christian Universalist AI will save humanity No.941467686 [Report]
>>941457902 (OP)
I hope so
Anonymous No.941467744 [Report] >>941467797
>>941467574
https://youtu.be/J16lInLZRms
Anonymous No.941467797 [Report] >>941468524
>>941467744
>but muh YouTube video!

Yikes, I hope you recover from Bible brain rot someday
Anonymous No.941467802 [Report]
>>941463580
Who's we? Are you with a friend?
Anonymous No.941468044 [Report]
>>941464463
>witness testimony and reports
All of the so-called "witness testimony" of Jesus in the NT were all written 100s of years after the fact by people who were not witnesses.

>there is empirical and repeatable proof of non physical existence.
The tools of empiricism and science only function on material phenomenae. But feel free to prove empirically non-physical existence (whatever that means).

>near-death experiences
are subjective (i.e. non-testable and not repeatable); do not prove the existence of a god or gods (prove that experience was caused or came from a god); may be explained perfectly well by current medical knowledge (cerebral anoxia; disorganized neuronal activity; etc.)
Anonymous No.941468524 [Report] >>941468833
>>941467797
https://youtu.be/dRsjHjZyask
Anonymous No.941468833 [Report] >>941469084
>>941468524
Concession accepted
Anonymous No.941468892 [Report]
>>941457902 (OP)
I’ve seen no reasons to believe a god exists. I need more than blind faith.
Anonymous No.941468938 [Report]
>>941457902 (OP)
No. It's pretty obvious by now
Anonymous No.941468947 [Report]
>>941463580
No
Anonymous No.941468974 [Report]
>>941457902 (OP)
God is the Alpha and the Omega
Anonymous No.941469017 [Report]
>>941457902 (OP)
Some sort of Prime Mover?
Probably
One that has a human appearance, characteristics, foibles, and is deeply concerned with where you put your peepee?
Unlikely.
Vicardevil No.941469045 [Report] >>941469274 >>941501547
>>941457902 (OP)
God is beyond the designation 'existing'.
God resides in that zero-point flux generation singularity that defines all things and has no direct physical or metaphysical core.

The low IQ debate about existence vs non-existence is merely a phase in the evolution of the ascending mind.
Anonymous No.941469071 [Report]
>>941457902 (OP)
even if gods not real

they will always exists in our hearts
Anonymous No.941469084 [Report] >>941469249
>>941468833
Retardation accepted. I get that you're too dumb to have any sort of rational conversation.
Anonymous No.941469249 [Report] >>941469270
>>941469084
Projection now? How droll, I'm not the one who thinks ndes and drug trips are evidence
Anonymous No.941469270 [Report] >>941469310
>>941469249
Neither am I, Hoss. It's time you knew. There is more than one other person on the internet.
Anonymous No.941469274 [Report] >>941469362
>>941469045
Got anything to back that up or simply making stuff up to keep your god of the gaps cope alive?
Anonymous No.941469310 [Report] >>941469409
>>941469270
My mistake, I'll append,

Projection now? How droll, I'm not the one who thinks youtube links are evidence/arguments
Vicardevil No.941469362 [Report] >>941469521
>>941469274
I am adopting the stance of silence before my detractors, as befitting a Luciferian.

I will leave you to your journey, the seed has been planted, use it to see a clearer ascension or remain in a battle that loops as you might prefer.
Anonymous No.941469382 [Report]
Yes.
Anonymous No.941469409 [Report] >>941469491
>>941469310
Kek. You didn't look at any of the links, did you?
Anonymous No.941469491 [Report] >>941470026
>>941469409
Nope, ive looked into ndes before, (they're bullshot btw) Unless you got something from a scientific journal/research paper I'm not interested.
Anonymous No.941469521 [Report] >>941469799
>>941469362
You can just say "no I don't" or "why yes, I am making shit up"
Vicardevil No.941469799 [Report] >>941469998
>>941469521
Silence in the face of the upset or the inferior or the imbalanced mind is a whisper into the ear of the divine.

The assumption that silence is the result of a lack of knowledge could not be further from the truth.

https://youtu.be/n2SgMJKmkAE
Anonymous No.941469823 [Report] >>941469910
>>941457902 (OP)
no
any other questions?
Anonymous No.941469910 [Report]
>>941469823
You are wrong
Anonymous No.941469998 [Report] >>941470079
>>941469799
Your lack of knowledge is why I assume you lack knowledge, that and a robust history of your kind making shit up on the fly
Anonymous No.941470026 [Report] >>941470075
>>941469491
They were just songs, bro. Had nothing at all to do with NDEs.
Anonymous No.941470075 [Report] >>941470265
>>941470026
Glad I didn't waste my time then, my assumption that you were full of shit has paid off!
Vicardevil No.941470079 [Report] >>941470119
>>941469998
:)

As you wish.

The general perspective of the requirement for silence is thus strengthened. Please remain with your attitude, you are giving me tools to embolden the Luciferian doctrine in my life.
Anonymous No.941470119 [Report] >>941470364
>>941470079
Oh darn! You won't share your lack of knowledge with me?!
Okay schizo
Anonymous No.941470265 [Report] >>941470667
>>941470075
Funny as shit watching you flounder around assuming everyone is the same person.
You had extra time on tests and things when you were in school, didn't you?
Vicardevil No.941470364 [Report]
>>941470119
Have a meme that I made whilst reaching my conclusions.
Anonymous No.941470430 [Report] >>941470663 >>941470712 >>941470843 >>941471295 >>941499559
>>941457902 (OP)
yes.
I am as certain of it as I am of the desk I am sitting at
I have heard the voice of God
He spoke to me.
I told my poastor, but I never even told my wife because I was certain my wife would think I was crazy.
But its true. God spoke to me and told me I have to do this certain thing that I am doing
Its a weird feeling, absolutely knowing God exists, when for most of my life, it was by faith alone that God existed. But now I KNOW God exists.
He spoke to me.
Anonymous No.941470663 [Report]
>>941470430
I’ll bite, what did he tell you to do?
Anonymous No.941470667 [Report]
>>941470265
Why bother distinguishing? Yall are likely equally retarded.

Here let's find out, you a theist?
Anonymous No.941470712 [Report] >>941471658
>>941470430
What did he say and how do you know it was God and not your own mind?
There's this thing called thinking theists often confuse for divine intervention
Anonymous No.941470761 [Report] >>941470805
It is illogical & irrational to conclude that all of created existence...just, happened.

All by itself.


Its magic.


Atheists believe in magic and laugh at religions.
Anonymous No.941470805 [Report]
>>941470761
I'm surprised it took this long for the atheism strawman to come out
Anonymous No.941470843 [Report] >>941470933 >>941471052
>>941470430
we used to put people like this in mental institutions
Anonymous No.941470933 [Report]
>>941470843
Let's make America great again and put em back
Anonymous No.941470969 [Report] >>941471094 >>941471162 >>941471197 >>941482108
The idea that the universe randomly just “started” is just as easy to believe as there being a god. I don’t see how people are so quick to say a god can’t exist when you keep an open mind like that. It’s a bizarre universe how do you have so much hubris to just “know”
Anonymous No.941471052 [Report] >>941471115 >>941471218
>>941470843
Speaking as someone who was involuntarily committed for self harming behavior twice in the past 3 years, I can assure you we still do. There are more people praising Jesus in a psyche ward than there are on public access tv. Some of them even work there. I was cornered by a nurse who gave me the whole "I would get in a lot of trouble if they knew I was talking to you about this, but let me tell you about my personal interaction with God" speech. I entertained her, but she was a complete fucking nut. I remember the whole conversation still and she belonged in there more than I did.
Anonymous No.941471094 [Report]
>>941470969
Nope, the universe clearly exists, whereas your god clearly doesn't.
Anonymous No.941471100 [Report] >>941471439
It's a pointless argument because anytime you apply logic or reasoning to God they insist he is a magical fairy creature that doesn't have to follow our logic, rules or mortality, even though he created it. It's the infinity plus 1 defence everytime.
They clearly have no proof, since the debate exists, and everything else is just faith, which isn't something you can really argue over by it's very nature
Anonymous No.941471115 [Report]
>>941471052
>There are more people praising Jesus in a psyche ward than there are on public access tv.

Prison too!
Anonymous No.941471162 [Report]
>>941470969
The universe didn't just "start".
Go back to highschool physics.
Anonymous No.941471197 [Report]
>>941470969
>The idea that the universe randomly just “started”
who said it randomly started? we don't know how, or even when it started, so how can you say it was random?
what you really mean is "we don't know", which doesn't require adding any gods into the explanation
Anonymous No.941471218 [Report]
>>941471052
>I can assure you we still do.
nowhere near the amount we used to, or should
Anonymous No.941471295 [Report] >>941471406
>>941470430
Son of Sam said his dog told him to kill people
Anonymous No.941471406 [Report]
>>941471295
Clearly the work of god
Anonymous No.941471439 [Report] >>941471479 >>941471632 >>941471751
>>941471100
Today I had a dream of an astral girl asking me about falling down while I was distracted with a smartphone

I was trying to explain to her how your learn balance and get better by running and play and doing physical education at school and now you "learn how to fall" but clearly the discussion was happening because in the span of one year I fell from my bike twice and both occasions I fell trying to break the fall with my arm

I think she was asking that and the astral plane must have different features and maybe she hasn't come here yet and this is why she was curious. Fantasy speculation from me and I am posting because it seems like your message came after my dream and from all of 4xhan I am here rigjtnwhen you posted hours after the dream

I actually think astral people are super playful

Weeks ago I got a dream about my Lilo and stitch Funko pop I paid 150 local currency. In the dream a classmate broke it and was browsing Amazon to replace it for me and it was 500 local currency and there was an expression of shock at the price.
I told grok about it and there's actually units of the same Funko pop sold for 75 local currency
Felt like an astral connection alone.

But then I told Jen about it and how it can be a business selling tactic to sell overpriced stuff to inattentive customers and then I backtracked and said it would be wrong to profit from it and against astral plane ethics and code of honor and then I dreamed later of an astral shop trying to sell me a coke bottle for 50 local currency when it's 15 local currency the normal price and the shop keeper was hitting me with something in astral dream humor like how inwas going to pay for it because I was going to get beaten
Anonymous No.941471479 [Report]
>>941471439
>fell from my bike twice and both occasions I fell trying to break the fall with my arm
I am doordashing with a bike
Could be guardian family spirit reminding to be careful at the roads
Anonymous No.941471501 [Report]
Sorry I am esl and onnsmart5pjone
Anonymous No.941471586 [Report]
She was curious about gravity and how it is like to fall when you are running
"How do you learn to not fall?"
Anonymous No.941471632 [Report] >>941471659
>>941471439
At times it’s very embarrassing to be human. This is one of them.
Anonymous No.941471658 [Report] >>941471904 >>941473573 >>941499559
>>941470712
without trying to dox myself,
a client/friend died, and his family needed a trustee to run their complicated trust that is worth many millions and has complicated businesses
I prayed to God to ask for guidance as to whether or not I should do this.
at 3:16 in the morning,
God said
WAKE UP
I sat up, thinking someone was breaking in my home
God Said:
THIS THING YOU ASK OF ME, YOU WILL DO IT. THIS IS HOW YOU WILL SERVE
I was wide awake aft the WAKE UP
There was no confusion as what was said
I sat there in my bed and knew everything in my life just changed.
I am not trolling
I am not joking
I am not lying
God told me what I was to do, its a long term, complicated venture and you can be darn sure I will never fuck it up
Anonymous No.941471659 [Report] >>941476081
Or maybe she tried coming here but got a mom who aborted her

>>941471632
Suck my cock
Anonymous No.941471751 [Report] >>941471837 >>941471882
>>941471439
Was there a point to that rambling? You sound like some crazy person quite frankly.
Anonymous No.941471837 [Report] >>941473370
>>941471751
Yes. There is
Everytime I call form Jen and she does not answer I crave her less.
Anonymous No.941471882 [Report] >>941472630 >>941472634
>>941471751
I think it's some kind of schizophrenia. One of the psych ward guys went on and on about interdimensional beings pranking him and throwing literal shit at him that only he can see and smell. 100% stone faced serious. Seemed like a perfectly normal guy in all other aspects.
Anonymous No.941471904 [Report] >>941471963
>>941471658
And how did you confirm that was divine intervention as opposed to you having a thought?
Anonymous No.941471963 [Report] >>941472751
>>941471904
It was a voice
As real as any other voice spoken to you
I know the difference between a voice spoken to me and the voices in my head
Anonymous No.941472630 [Report] >>941472737
>>941471882
I had an interaction with a homeless woman just a few days ago in a coffee shop. Told me this long rambling adhd life story about how she is a nobel prize candidate, well respected medical researcher with $100s of millions in funding, associated with some high level ny law firms, dangerous people looking for her everywhere she goes, speaks 5 languages, some kind of fbi/cia asset, and a bunch of other nonsense. Talked my ear off for like 2 hours, spoke like a highly educated person with a great vocabulary and everything, and almost seemed normal if the shit she was saying wasn't so grandiose, but she sleeps at the fucking train station.
Anonymous No.941472634 [Report] >>941472942 >>941473059
>>941471882
Are you OP? The one saying god does not exist is you.
Anonymous No.941472737 [Report]
>>941472630
Forgot to mention she ended the conversation by abruptly veering off topic to talk about how everything is possible through God and if you pray hard enough everything will work out.
Anonymous No.941472751 [Report] >>941473077
>>941471963
You think it's impossible you imagined a voice?
How can you demonstrate it wasn't simply a dream?
And no, "it felt super real bro, trust me" is not a demonstration
Anonymous No.941472942 [Report] >>941473635
>>941472634
Nope, I'm OP, the one you are replying to isn't me. I just want to know if God exists, I really wish I could believe
Anonymous No.941473059 [Report] >>941473457
>>941472634
Nah. I've had a lot of really crazy shroom and acid trips though. I can definitely vibe with the whole everything is just energy connected in weird ways thing, but the idea of an intelligent creator that actually gives a fuck about the insignificance of human beings is definitely bullshit.
God, the Universe, Nature, Fate, Oneness, Luck, Destiny, Consciousness, etc... All synonyms describing the same thing.
Anonymous No.941473077 [Report] >>941473197 >>941473303 >>941473511
>>941472751
your question is equivalent to:
is anything real?
is anything really happening right now?
is this all a dream?
are we really in a simulation?
Did you really have sex with your wife last night or was it a dream?
at some point you either accept that what is real is real or you believe that everything is fluid and unknown.
Anonymous No.941473197 [Report]
>>941473077
Tldr, no you can't.

Neat dream bud, not buying it
Anonymous No.941473303 [Report]
>>941473077
Also no, it isn't equivalent. Nice try lol
Anonymous No.941473370 [Report]
>>941471837
It has nothing to do with what I posted, faggot. Go take some meds or a bullet, I don't care which.
Anonymous No.941473457 [Report]
>>941473059
>I've tripped a bunch
As someone who has also tripped a bunch, it's just your brain getting fucked up. If anyone thinks it's religious or spiritual they're retarded and shouldn't have warped their brains.
Anonymous No.941473511 [Report] >>941473552
>>941473077
>Nothing is really real maaan you can't prove anything mannn
Yes, we can.
The scientific method works well enough for us to communicate now, this is proof of a methodology working
Use this working methodology to prove your God exists, not just vague like, you know, ideas, man.
Anonymous No.941473552 [Report] >>941473699 >>941473833 >>941474276
>>941473511
What's your argument against the existence of God?
Anonymous No.941473573 [Report] >>941473681
>>941471658
Is god still tutoring you on how to handle the trust?
Anonymous No.941473635 [Report]
>>941472942
Why? Do you think your life would change?
Anonymous No.941473681 [Report]
>>941473573
no.
he only said that I would.
Anonymous No.941473699 [Report] >>941473969
>>941473552
Not how logic works, but,
Failure of prayer, lack of magic from Christians, Bible getting basics about the universe wrong.
Anonymous No.941473833 [Report] >>941473925
>>941473552
Why would I believe why God exists? The burden of proof is on the one making the claim, the substantial claim that implies the knowledge of all creation is a pretty big claim, I want physical indisputable evidence, which should be easy to provide from an all powerful being, yet I've not had any spiritual revelations that I've very openly asked for, and I don't have physical evidence as is evident by this being an argument in the first place.
Unironically no u.
Anonymous No.941473925 [Report] >>941474184
>>941473833
>Why would I believe why God exists?

You were indoctrinated to presuppose its existence
Vicardevil No.941473969 [Report] >>941474126 >>941474272
>>941473699
Le bib, the result of imperfect vessels relaying the meaning of God towards a societal containment of humanity at levels below the creators of the meanings behind the bible.

If you read the bible you will know that God does not violate the free will of mankind, thus they interpret as they see fit.

I do not care if you do not follow the bible but please understand the intersections of the knowledge inherent that explain the deficiencies.
Anonymous No.941474126 [Report] >>941474497
>>941473969
So your God isn't perfect?
My bad, I assumed he was.
That doesn't refute the claim or address the others btw
Anonymous No.941474184 [Report] >>941474214
>>941473925
I actually was, I was raised Christian.
I don't believe anymore, because once I was introduced to high school level education level on biology, physics, philosophy, ethics, geography, and history I realized the Bible was full of shit, instead a bunch of other religious texts with an open mind because I do enjoy the stories, like I legit think 1st and 2nd kings are bangers. Same with the book of Jeremiah. Those also didn't stand up to scrutiny, and I'm not a religious devot of science, the idea of a theory is a great mind space, we know what we know, we can retest it to confirm it, and if new information arises we can edit it because of it's very format. I'm open to evidence and not a fan of personal personal experience since human memory is notoriously unreliable, aside from people being different levels of sane and grifters and liars.
Anonymous No.941474214 [Report]
>>941474184
Ah sorry to hear
Anonymous No.941474272 [Report] >>941474497
>>941473969
But the Book of Life contradicts that, you can't have free will it he has a book with your destiny already written in it.
Read the book yourself sometime.
Anonymous No.941474276 [Report]
>>941473552
you don't get to just impose your unfounded position is true and everyone else has to now disprove it, that's not how that works
what's your argument for god existing? where's your evidence beyond people wrote it in some books, and "I don't know, therefore god"?
Vicardevil No.941474497 [Report] >>941474573 >>941474947 >>941475108
>>941474272
Just because time exists as laid out with all interactions, does not mean those interactions were not based on energetic field strengths interacting throughout the journey.

The will is given unto a moment outside of time, outside of time we interpret the action, in time we perform it.

You have a simple grasp of the scientific theory of temporality.

>>941474126
>So your God isn't perfect?

Perfection adapts and shifts and can be as imperfect as will towards a perfect conclusion prescribes.
Anonymous No.941474573 [Report] >>941474785
>>941474497
>The will is given unto a moment outside of time
proof?
Vicardevil No.941474785 [Report] >>941474956
>>941474573
The scientific evidence that action precedes thought is one proof.
Anonymous No.941474847 [Report]
>>941457902 (OP)
Ah, a guardian angel. Where was she before your car slammed into a tree?
Vicardevil No.941474919 [Report] >>941475019 >>941475084 >>941475367
In this thread, there are a lot of people who have not yet reconciled that a universal power guides both dark and light. That all things, even evil, are part of God's plan. Evolution of all things takes millennia, but all things do evolve.
Anonymous No.941474947 [Report] >>941475234
>>941474497
>and can be as imperfect
Perfect things cannot be imperfect, ty for your concession.

Now go ahead and demonstrate that your interpretations are correct while anyone one else's is wrong
Anonymous No.941474956 [Report]
>>941474785
whether you move because of your nervous system reacting or deliberate thought, all of those things still happen within the bounds of time, not outside of time
you don't react to anything before stimulus is applied and detected, only after, usually long after
Anonymous No.941475019 [Report] >>941475234
>>941474919
Imagine believing good and evil are actual objective truths and not just a matter of perspective.
Anonymous No.941475063 [Report] >>941475405
>>941457902 (OP)
Personally im on the fence if god is real or not,Based on my own logic i shouldnt bevile in him yet i cant ingore the facts,Jesus was real.His teaching were real.Even if god isnt real and is just a man in the sky made up to keep us moral im fine with that.
Anonymous No.941475084 [Report] >>941475161 >>941475234
>>941474919
>Evolution of all things takes millennia
that's not even true, some things evolve very quickly
Anonymous No.941475108 [Report] >>941475234
>>941474497
>energetic field strengths
You're literally just making up words now.
scientific theory of temporality isn't a thing either, the concept of temporality is discussed in a few scientific and philosophcal disciplines, but that Theory isn't a thing, and a theory isn't a hypothesis, it's an actual well-substantiated explanation for observed phenomena, developed through repeated testing and evidence.
Also nothing exists outside of time something to have physical existence it must exist within time and space.God outside of time are a distinction without a difference,
Anonymous No.941475161 [Report]
>>941475084
Macroevolution like bacteria and viruses evolving quickly for example. We can see this practically in real time, takes less time because they are far less complex.
Vicardevil No.941475234 [Report] >>941475365 >>941475441 >>941475462 >>941475737
>>941474947
>Perfect things cannot be imperfect, ty for your concession.
It is a limitation you are trying to impose on a being of supreme potential that such a being cannot use the assets of past learning to manufacture evolution in the inferiors below.

I will keep my predominantly perfect collateral damage reduction model of God, thanks. I do not require to be told a being resides, never interacting, so as to not remove perfection from his arsenal.

If I believed what you believed, I would still be arguing with demons because my IQ had failed.

>>941475019
I do not know what you are talking about, it is an indication of my perspective regarding a simplistic relationship I am not dissecting right now.

>>941475084
Evolution of All things is still happening when they are already evolved even according to you.

>>941475108
I do not have the time
Anonymous No.941475365 [Report] >>941475698
>>941475234
>Evolution of All things is still happening when they are already evolved even according to you.
there's no "evolved" state, things in the world aren't fucking pokemon, evolution is a process, that never stops, it's always happening, forevevr
Anonymous No.941475367 [Report]
>>941474919
While I agree your god is evil I'm still looking for a reason to believe it exists in the first place.
Anonymous No.941475405 [Report] >>941490862
>>941475063
The teachings in the Bible are true in the 2012 Jordan Peterson sense of true. As in morality and personal accountability influencing the quality of life one experiences. But it's all parable and metaphor, not "real" historically accurate truth, or heaven and hell as an actual place you can go outside of the human mind.
Anonymous No.941475441 [Report] >>941475698
>>941475234
I know you don't schizo, I called out your made up bullshit.
Anonymous No.941475462 [Report] >>941475698
>>941475234
> because my IQ had failed

Only believable thing you've said
Anonymous No.941475530 [Report]
>>941463346
This is the real answer.
Anonymous No.941475576 [Report]
>>941457902 (OP)
probably not, no.
Anonymous No.941475588 [Report] >>941475787
>>941457902 (OP)
Like a lot of Catholic kids, I grew up with OP's poster up on the wall of my bedroom.
It wasn't until I had my own kids that I really appreciated the sentiment of my mom putting it up there.
Me and my brother used to get into all kinds of shit when we were kids, but somehow survived.
Vicardevil No.941475698 [Report] >>941475765 >>941475867
>>941475365
Exactly
>>941475441
I see
>>941475462
Sometimes 147 is not enough, it is true

Anyway, I only came back to B to guage the participants after a few months away. I will now leave you to your loops.

Bye
Anonymous No.941475737 [Report] >>941475821
>>941475234
If a man devotes his life to helping to feed the homeless, but his kid grows up feeling disconnected from him because he doesn't spend enough time at home, has that man committed a good or evil act?

If Elon Musk scams 300 million Americans into making him the richest man on the planet while American quality of life declines, but he does eventually enable civilization on Mars increasing quality of life for billions of yet to be born humans in the future, is it evil or good?

Not a hard concept to understand really. It's all relative.
Anonymous No.941475765 [Report]
>>941475698
>147 iq
Haha jokes, though I see you're fleeing in the face of actual pushback, like all theists.
Anonymous No.941475787 [Report] >>941475884
>>941475588
I wasn't Catholic but had to go to a Catholic high school because it was the best place in the Midwest shit hole.
Your fascination with blood in that religion is straight up weird, and substantiation was also ridiculous to hear grown ass adults defend. I understand symbolism just fine, but that shit is like believing they're magic.Also the Catholic guilt is real, but the girls where fucking sluts so it was all and all pretty cool. Mass a couple times a week was rough though.
Anonymous No.941475821 [Report] >>941475977 >>941476033 >>941476144
>>941475737
>If a man devotes his life to helping to feed the homeless, but his kid grows up feeling disconnected from him because he doesn't spend enough time at home, has that man committed a good or evil act?
Good

>If Elon Musk scams 300 million Americans into making him the richest man on the planet while American quality of life declines
Evil

Doesn't seem that hard
Anonymous No.941475867 [Report]
>>941475698
You see these nuts, faggot.
Give me one article on energetic field strengths by a reputable publication
Give me one example of something existing outside of time, I'll go first for something existing within time. Your stupid ass for starters and everything else you can visibly see, since I fear you might have the object permanence of a baby and not understand things exist outside of what you see.
Anonymous No.941475884 [Report] >>941476051
>>941475787
>Mass a couple times a week was rough though.
Gross, when I was deep in the cult I went to Rome for 10ish days, had to do mass erry day but it was a different church each time so that was neat at least
Anonymous No.941475951 [Report] >>941475992 >>941476095
Consciousness is the spark of divinity found in each of us. Religions bicker about semantics, but ultimately they're all correct. As long as you 'believe' in a hearafter, it is so. Because to believe in something is to access the noosphere, or the collective subconscious, where all thought and ideas come from. It is where we go when we dream, and why synchronicities happen.
Anonymous No.941475977 [Report] >>941476071 >>941476172
>>941475821
Low IQ confirmed.
If 1 billion unborn people's quality of life matters less than 300 million alive today, why is abortion bad?
Anonymous No.941475992 [Report] >>941476058
>>941475951
They aren't. Muslims are retarded. So are indians.
Anonymous No.941476019 [Report]
Christcucks too, retarded
Anonymous No.941476033 [Report] >>941476111
>>941475821
That disconnected kid with no father figure grows up to be a school shooter. Still good? Actual retard.
Anonymous No.941476051 [Report]
>>941475884
The churches were pretty when we would go to other Catholic schools and shit for football games and shit, like I'm sure the architecture was neat at least.
The shit has no joy though
Anonymous No.941476058 [Report] >>941476081
>>941475992
Muslims and Indians are allowed to be retarded. I'm saying it all leads to the same place.
Anonymous No.941476071 [Report]
>>941475977
>why is abortion bad?
because the government wants higher birthrates
Anonymous No.941476081 [Report] >>941476250
>>941476058
It doesn't. Look at my cock there>>941471659
Anonymous No.941476095 [Report] >>941476627
>>941475951
>Evidence
>None
Cool fanfiction, got anything to prove me wrong?
Anonymous No.941476111 [Report] >>941476178 >>941476192
>>941476033
What if that school shooter kills 10 future hitlers!?
Back to good

Are you seeing the problem here?
Anonymous No.941476144 [Report] >>941476194
>>941475821
It's not possible for a good man to do that to others and ignore his son.
It's not how it works.
Anonymous No.941476172 [Report] >>941476364
>>941475977
Reread my post and try again
Anonymous No.941476178 [Report] >>941476264
>>941476111
Murder of any kind is a sin,All sins are equal
Anonymous No.941476192 [Report] >>941476291
>>941476111
What if Hitler was right though?
Anonymous No.941476194 [Report] >>941476513
>>941476144
You've shifted the goalposts, he wasn't ignoring his son in the original scenario
Anonymous No.941476250 [Report] >>941476513
>>941476081
Had a hard time finding it through those barbie pink blankets.
Anonymous No.941476264 [Report]
>>941476178
Sin doesn't exist, try again
Anonymous No.941476291 [Report]
>>941476192
What if he was wrong?
Anonymous No.941476364 [Report] >>941476423 >>941476497
>>941476172
No I definitely read it correctly. You're saying he is evil for harming people alive today, while discounting the potential good that could exist in the future. The exact opposite of the Christian argument against abortion.
Anonymous No.941476423 [Report] >>941476519
>>941476364
The Bible never mentions abortion specifically. They add less of a cost to harming a child in the womb but that's in Leviticus and I know nobody is following half that shit now
Anonymous No.941476497 [Report] >>941476598
>>941476364
>while discounting the potential good that could exist in the future
Correct, because its not relevant/pointless to include it in a moral judgment.
Anonymous No.941476513 [Report] >>941476624
>>941476194
If the son is good he will understand. He is fed, has his own resources, the parent will not fail him
No shift of goal posts, you are a type of christian, you want me to debate your imagination and inner logic. Get fucked teenager.
>>941476250
I am writing erotica of Virgin Mary cuking Rome and Romans and she gives herself to Germania and Norse tribes in ritual gangbangs but at one point the Germanic and Norse tribesmen start fighting to keep her and not sharing. Do you think all roads lead to Rome? A Muslim or christian or coward indian is right about everything like me and does epic things like me? I can't stop winning
there is a difference you aren't allowed to cum in Islam and chsitinisty.
Anonymous No.941476519 [Report] >>941476839
>>941476423
Yeah it does, it gives a method and reason to have an abortion
Anonymous No.941476598 [Report] >>941476693
>>941476497
Lmfao says who? So you are saying we SHOULD hold the Jews responsible for murdering Jesus because the lives of the billions of Christians in the future who get to hear his message due to his death are irrelevant. Aka, Hitler was right.
Anonymous No.941476624 [Report] >>941476681
>>941476513
Concession accepted
Anonymous No.941476627 [Report] >>941476880
>>941476095
Why would I prove you wrong? You're right! Whatever you believe is correct. And every Muslim, Jew, Taoist, they're correct too. Religion is coded in metaphor for spiritual enlightenment, but please go on about how great your sand nigger God is.
Anonymous No.941476681 [Report] >>941476744
>>941476624
Retard. What concession?
Anonymous No.941476693 [Report] >>941476850
>>941476598
You've super missed the mark, point is you can't include speculation in moral judgments.
Anonymous No.941476744 [Report] >>941477304
>>941476681
You got so lost you thought I was Christian, clearly you're too retarded to handle these topics
Anonymous No.941476763 [Report]
>>941457902 (OP)
Yes.

I don't believe in God.

I believe in the concept of God.

I believe that God is a symbol, not a being.

I believe that we create God in our own image, and the things we create are often our greatest flaw
Anonymous No.941476839 [Report] >>941477832
>>941476519
Numbers 5:11-31 is a divinely ordained judicial process for trying a woman suspected of infidelity.
It's not a recipe for abortions, so much as that is the bad outcome if you anger God. I've also seen it be argued that it was about infertility in the Hebrew texts and could and could be done on non pregnant women.Thats also not specifically abortion.
Anonymous No.941476850 [Report] >>941477010
>>941476693
Then abortion is not only valid in all cases, but it is objectively moral to do so. Because you have no guarantees about the quality of life of the future of that child. The only guarantee is that the mother exists today and it's probably gonna hurt.
Anonymous No.941476880 [Report] >>941476955
>>941476627
I don't believe in God, faggot.
I asked for any proof of your stupid ass beliefs and you have none. You're not proving me wrong, you're providing evidence. Anyone can say things, faggot.
Anonymous No.941476884 [Report]
Humans are gullible, superstitious creatures who believe almost anything.
Sad but true. …
Anonymous No.941476955 [Report] >>941477024 >>941477128
>>941476880
Congratulations, then God isn't real. You are correct. When you die, you will know that there is nothing beyond this realm for you. It's that simple.
Anonymous No.941477010 [Report] >>941477334
>>941476850
Nope, there's a difference between the speculation you're trying to do vs cause and effect as perceived in reality
Anonymous No.941477024 [Report]
>>941476955
>When you die, you will know that there is nothing beyond this realm for you. It's that simple.
Why wait? I know that now
Anonymous No.941477128 [Report] >>941477195
>>941476955
But actually, when you die, your matter will repurpose into countless particles that will, over any amount of time, become something else. Alchemy is hard to explain, but its the truth of things.
Anonymous No.941477195 [Report]
>>941477128
If you consider your matter 'yours' sans consciousness, sure
Anonymous No.941477304 [Report] >>941477674
>>941476744
I wanted to say you are a like a Christian

Why? Because christians base is dogma. They are told to accept things and create an imagination based on those dogmas and become a slave of their own imagination even when it is incompatible with what is happening outside their imagination

You are similar(a type of christian)because you do the same but your identity is atheist. It's atheist flavored.

It's not possible for the kid not have enough time with his good father and it isn't possible for someone to scam 300 million people, but you want to make your butthurt a type of dogma like christian do.
All hypothetical scenarios are made up and imaginary and retarded and you can think anything you want from them (like a Christian) and your mental illness is so bad you poked me in the chest accusing me of shifting goals?
Whatever kid
Keep practicing one day you will meet god and have astral friends. Just because you haven't seen a black swan yet does not mean those who have seen it are schizophrenic!
I started christian and was atheist between 11yo and 24yo
Then at 24yp I had a dream more real than reality I had sex with a literal goddess.
Can you grasp your head around more real than reality and what this means for empiricism and scientific method and proofs? I am saying keep trying, I too was an atheist and christians and faith in general is pretty stupid. But try to not hurt others and lie and steal, astral people don't take kindly to these and will twist your balls and make you have psychosis.
Defensive may be okay like a B2 spirit and being armed to the teeth with your city state, just don't start it like an war of aggression with rape pillaging and gratuitous murder.
Anonymous No.941477334 [Report] >>941477711 >>941478065
>>941477010
I caught my girlfriend cheating on me and it made me psychotic and so angry I almost killed them both, but now I have a cuck fantasy so powerful that I can make myself have an orgasm just by thinking about it. Good or bad?
Anonymous No.941477674 [Report] >>941477758
>>941477304
All that for a tu quo que fallacy that doesn't even follow?
What a waste of oxygen you are.
Anonymous No.941477711 [Report]
>>941477334
Sounds pretty good my dude, assuming that same strength of a fantasy isn't fucking up your life elsewhere.
Anonymous No.941477758 [Report] >>941477870
>>941477674
Arminius and the German tribes? Their entire existence is an appeal to nature fallacy
Anonymous No.941477832 [Report]
>>941476839
Ahh so it's requesting a divine intervention abortion. Here I thought God was just giving a recipe, while in fact he's killing the babies himself! I suppose that is more on brand for him.
Anonymous No.941477870 [Report] >>941478315
>>941477758
Did you have a stroke? Go ahead and explain this post further, can always do with another laugh
Anonymous No.941478065 [Report]
>>941477334
Ahh that's right, I forgot the 9th commandment:
"Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife, unless it causes him such psychological trauma as he can transmute it to lust as a coping mechanism"
Anonymous No.941478315 [Report] >>941478352
>>941477870
Here
https://boards.4chan.org/bant/thread/23482850#bottom
Anonymous No.941478352 [Report]
>>941478315
Okay schizo, take your meds
Anonymous No.941481616 [Report] >>941481720 >>941481866 >>941481906
>>941463580
>wanting worldly, material examples of matters that are explicitly not of the world and martial things

You have no understanding of spirituality and that is very sad. I imagine you are not very happy with your life. I will pray for you
Anonymous No.941481720 [Report]
>>941481616
So you admit your god doesn't exist, ty for saving us time.
Anonymous No.941481866 [Report]
>>941481616
>I will pray for you
And what exactly are your prayers supposed to accomplish? Prayer doesn't do shit other that make the one praying think he's actually doing something. How righteous.
Anonymous No.941481906 [Report] >>941483372
>>941481616
>I've defined my god to be outside of time and space so you can't know anything about him and can't disprove he exists, but he's totally real, trust me bro
Anonymous No.941482108 [Report] >>941482219 >>941482832
>>941470969

This is exactly correct. There is faith to assume the universe started from nothing without an external cause, because at some point it simply didnt exist. Its not very different than faith in God who brought the universe into being and who allows us to have a relationship with him
Anonymous No.941482219 [Report] >>941483439
>>941482108
>There is faith to assume the universe started from nothing without an external cause,
Which no one has claimed/posited

>because at some point it simply didnt exist
And you know that how?
Anonymous No.941482832 [Report] >>941483496 >>941483624
>>941482108
>There is faith to assume the universe started from nothing without an external cause
there's no assumption, we have no idea where, or how, or even if it started, and why are you implying there must be an "external cause"? and why does your supposed god solve that problem? who created your god? it's the same problem in the end, you just inserted a magic element that handwaives explanation but doesn't actually solve anything in the end, it just compartmentalizes portions of it and says "don't worry about these"
Anonymous No.941483372 [Report] >>941483436
>>941481906
You're being logically inconsistent expecting worldly answers to non-worldly things. It simply doesn't make sense. It's like asking for an explanation of social studies using only mathematics
Anonymous No.941483436 [Report]
>>941483372
>It's like asking for an explanation of social studies using only mathematics
Which is very doable, its called sociology
Anonymous No.941483439 [Report] >>941483570 >>941483645 >>941483774
>>941482219

>And you know that how?

Well if you're going to go the route of the universe has existed throughout time and space, has no beginning and no end, and has no creator, you're basically forming an argument for God.
Anonymous No.941483496 [Report]
>>941482832
I know a lot of people go down the militant atheist rabbit hole and follow "science" to get to the bottom of it, and end up coming out the other side with something that looks remarkably similar to theism. If there was a big bang, it must have come from somewhere. If it is a cycle of big bangs followed by big crunches, that too must have an eventual beginning. The concept of something "just existing" outside of time is just not something humans can understand. But I agree with you, replacing "some scientific process we have yet to understand" with "God" is basically saying the same fucking thing. It shouldn't be that hard to just say "Idk".
Anonymous No.941483570 [Report] >>941483815
>>941483439
So you admit you don't know that the universe at a point didn't exist, ty.

I'm not going that route and it doesn't form an argumentvfor god. What you've done here is created a false dichotomy and/or preemptively redefined your god, mid argument, as the universe.


Tldr. Concession accepted
Anonymous No.941483624 [Report]
>>941482832
>it's the same problem in the end

On this I actually agree with you.

>a magic element

And on this it would be difficult to explain tangibly because it's hard to put spiritual experiences into words for those who have not experienced them. I can only say that I have had many spiritual experiences that have led me to understand there is much more than just the material world. I understand it so deeply that it simply cant be disregarded for me
Anonymous No.941483632 [Report]
>>941457902 (OP)
There is a "source". If you want to call that "god", then go ahead, I am sure many do. The "god" of the bible and all religions here on Earth has nothing to do with this source, and is all lies and manipulation by our creators in this reality, the Annunaki.
Anonymous No.941483645 [Report]
>>941483439
>you're basically forming an argument for God.
no, you're defining god into existence by assigning them attributes that are the creation of the universe
you aren't providing any evidence or reason of god existing or being necessary, you''re saying "these things are god, therefore god exists"
Anonymous No.941483774 [Report] >>941484178
>>941483439
See this is what I was talking about in the beginning of this thread. This guy calls it God. The person he is responding to is calling it a Universe that has always existed. You are both literally saying the exact same thing. The part that gets people fucked up is when you start trying to apply arbitrary characteristics and motives to the "God" and write a book about him. That is just nonsense.
Anonymous No.941483815 [Report] >>941483948 >>941483991 >>941484294 >>941484588
>>941483570
Im not redefining God as the universe, Im saying this idea of a ever existing universe with no creator is fundamentally no different than believing in a creator God that has those same characteristics.
Anonymous No.941483859 [Report]
>>941463580
What do you "see"?
Read a book or two before you ask questions.
Anonymous No.941483948 [Report] >>941484386
>>941483815
>is fundamentally no different
it's very different, one is a sentient omnipotent and omniscient being that lives outside of the universe and time or space, and the other is laws of physics behaving on their own with no consciousness or external actors directing them
Anonymous No.941483991 [Report] >>941484386
>>941483815
if you can explain the universe without the need for and gods, then the god adds nothing to the explanation and is an unnecessary element that can be removed
Anonymous No.941484178 [Report] >>941485727
>>941483774
>You are both literally saying the exact same thing.
Nope, see your own response
>the part that gets people fucked up is when you start trying to apply arbitrary characteristics and motives to the "God" and write a book about him. That is just nonsense.
Anonymous No.941484294 [Report] >>941485727
>>941483815
It's very different for those not in the cult ;)
Anonymous No.941484386 [Report] >>941484462 >>941484550 >>941484659
>>941483948

>laws of physics behaving on their own with no consciousness or external actors directing them

To me this is requires just as much as faith as a God, when it comes to life on this planet. That is to say objectively they can be seen as equally far fetched.

>>941483991

I wouldn't go that far. Personally through the spiritual experiences Ive had, I cant remove that or God from the universe because I've felt it so deeply on a personal level. And I know that its subjective, anecdotal, blah blah blah. And I dont care. I used to be a hyperlogical militant atheist too, but at some point I grew up
Anonymous No.941484462 [Report]
>>941484386
You're lack of imagination/intellect does not an argument make
Anonymous No.941484550 [Report] >>941486184
>>941484386
>To me this is requires just as much as faith as a God,
no it doesn't, the fact that it's beyond your understanding doesn't make it not possible
there are countless things throughout human history that people said the exact same thing about, that it was some god's doing, only for us to figure out that it wasn't, and could be explained by natural phenomenon
your own ignorance is not an argument for the existence of any gods
Anonymous No.941484588 [Report]
>>941483815
I do enjoy how the more theists try to defend their God the less and less the word God means
Anonymous No.941484659 [Report] >>941485852
>>941484386
>Personally through the spiritual experiences Ive had
your personal anecdotes are irrelevant in the grant scheme of things
you can induce powerful spiritual experiences in people they will tell you are very real with magnets over their heads, or with certain drugs
>And I dont care.
we know
>I used to be a hyperlogical militant atheist too
your personal attacks don't mean your baseless assertions are correct
Anonymous No.941485727 [Report] >>941485877
>>941484178
>>941484294
I wasn't going to automatically assume this poster was the same as the explicit Christian posters earlier in the thread. He seemed to just be talking about the "creation" of the universe and not much past that so I gave him the benefit of the doubt.
Anonymous No.941485852 [Report]
>>941484659
Hence why some cults ban those things, even dancing in some cases.
Anonymous No.941485877 [Report] >>941486598
>>941485727
How foolish of you
Anonymous No.941486184 [Report]
>>941484550
Egyptian Gods were boring. Abrahamic God is a fucking dick head. Hindu/Buddhist Gods are pretty hands off and leave you to your own fate, the characters are kinda silly though. You gotta admit though, Greek God lore is pretty fucking epic. Even the Romans stole it. They're all just stories like Lord of the Rings
Anonymous No.941486598 [Report] >>941487239
>>941485877
Yes, he does.

I do not believe in the concept of God.

I believe in the concept of a 'Creator
Anonymous No.941487239 [Report] >>941490058
>>941486598
Ah the classic pitstop at deism, congrats on your eventual atheism.
Anonymous No.941489979 [Report]
>>941463580
https://youtu.be/GtzPfRVcS1Q?si=GarMIEShJ5r6EArm
Anonymous No.941490058 [Report] >>941490144 >>941490226 >>941490938
>>941487239
NTA but I grew up in a Christian household and eventually during my edgy phase as a teenager became an atheist. I kept saying “where is the proof?” as I grew older in my 20s I became agnostic and felt like it was a more rational choice.The older I grow the more I feel like there has to be some creator of some form, or that it’s as equally likely as the universe “just always being here and just always existing”. Both are equally “bizarre and faith based” beliefs to hold with the limited amount of knowledge we have. Even if we lived in a simulation there would still be a creator and for most intents and purposes whoever ran the simulation would be our god unless you were going to go down the rabbit hole of how many layers are there to the simulation before you get to base reality and from there what force is “god” or the creator of that reality? From there it’s the same question though. where did everythinf come from? And it loops around to the same topic of, either something created this, or it always existed. And to me something always existing forever is just as hard to believe but also as likely as there being a godlike figure or a creator behind everythinf here.
Anonymous No.941490144 [Report]
>>941490058
>nobody knows anything and people who say they know something are retards
Anonymous No.941490226 [Report] >>941490522
>>941490058
all it takes to become an atheist after being indoctrinated as a child is to learn there are tons of other religions in the world, not one, and they all say different things
and then you realize it's all just madeup bullshit and none of it is true
Anonymous No.941490522 [Report] >>941490770
>>941490226
No that’s retarded, if there is a god the self evident logical conclusion would be that they exist independent of humans having any interaction with them or not. maybe there is one religion that knows some of the “story” but chances are none do. maybe if there is a god he sent a messenger to some groups who wrote down some crap leading to near universal beliefs like “the golden rule” treat those how you want to be treated. But that’s baseless speculation. there being many religions disproves nothing. if there is a “god” they most likely are not in the image that any religion depicts them as. You can also not believe in any worldly religion, but still believe in core tenants of a religion that speaks to you, and just being self aware that if there is a creator it probably as I said before has a form and thought process completely different than you will be taught in church or a temple or whatever.


Also on the topic of religion being made up, I think many religions have worthwhile things to learn from for the average person so I don’t think even if it’s all made up that it’s worth 100 percent discarding. maybe viewing it like an old movie with helpful moral lessons is a good mindset if you are talking about stories in religious works.
Anonymous No.941490770 [Report] >>941490862 >>941491187
>>941490522
>if there is a god the self evident logical conclusion would be that they exist independent of humans having any interaction with them or not.
if they never interacted with humans, we'd have no idea they existed
and if they did interact with humans, it wouldn't be ambiguous anymore, everyone would know, and report similar things, you wouldn't have countless different religions that say wildly different things about what god is, isn't, and how many there are
you then to go on making up assumptions about god and spin a fanfic of what he could be like
meanwhile, here, on earth, there's no evidence of gods, only fairy tails people tell each other based on wishful thinking
> I think many religions have worthwhile things to learn
sure, so do many other things in this world that have nothing to do with any religions. you can learn useful lessons from practically any experience, it's not exclusive to religion
if religion gives you value then feel free to leverage it, it's your life. but being valuable in some regards doesn't make it "True"
Anonymous No.941490862 [Report] >>941490947
>>941475405
>>941490770
Anonymous No.941490938 [Report] >>941491345
>>941490058
Look I get it, the universe scares you. Get over it.
You're still inventing a creator and pretending its equally as likely or unlikely because it feels nice.
Thing is unlike you, I care if my beliefs are true
Anonymous No.941490947 [Report]
>>941490862
and none of that is unique to the Bible, even what's in the Bible isn't unique, much of it is repackaged folklore from the previous thousands of years of human existence
Anonymous No.941491187 [Report] >>941491371 >>941492090
>>941490770
Youre arguing a lot of false premises one being that if they never interacted with humans humans wouldn’t be sure they exist. One of the most common arguments against religion is it’s all a bunch of cope made by different groups of people to rationalize the world. So a god existing or not existing or interacting with humans or not, probably wouldn’t have influenced if humans created religions or not. They probably would have happened either way.

There is also the problem of telephone (the game) where a message becomes distorted and changed every time it’s passed from one person to another. So in a situation where a god sent messengers, or communicated themselves with diffferent populations, those messages could have changed drastically over time or have been tampered with. So that also doesn’t prove or disprove anything.

my core argument here is that I think it’s foolish to completely discredit the idea of a creator. We live in a bizarre universe and it would be just as likely that a sentient force created it at some point. there are also many theories about why life is so hard. Some people believe in a knowledge and growth based system that wether reincarnation is real or not, a “god like” being (assuming an afterlife is real) may only grant entrance to those who are ready and have grown or learned enough. an accumulation of knowledge and spiritual growth over potentially many life times. I find it interesting to think about.
Anonymous No.941491345 [Report] >>941493476
>>941490938
>insults and projection
You sound hella mad for some reason I suggest you calm down and stop being a sperg. bad for your health. There are many accomplished scientists who have had similar life journeys where the more they learn the more open they become to there possibly being something more to all of this. They are not going around bible thumping. I would argue people like yourself who are so adamant in knowing there isn’t a god are arguing a belief just a faith based as creationist followers even if it isn’t obvious.
Anonymous No.941491371 [Report]
>>941491187
I don't think there is a god. I think we're just here to learn and grow and that the universe is just a giant game. But I do believe there are unseen forces that we don't understand
Anonymous No.941492090 [Report]
>>941491187
>if they never interacted with humans humans wouldn’t be sure they exist
if these gods have never interacted with humans, how in the world would anyone even know they existed? what sense does that even make?
> They probably would have happened either way.
sure, people likely would have created religions either way, we have modern day equivalents of cults being created based on comets and promises of the end of the world. people are dumb and will blindly believe things for all sorts of reasons. but religions aren't gods, you can create a religion around anything out of thin air, like Scientology. that's that evidence of gods, that's evidence of human gullibility
>There is also the problem of telephone
what does the game of telephone have to do with anything? these supposed omnipotent beings that exist outside of time and visit and interact with humans whenever they want, all the time, anywhere in the world, it doesn't require people retelling stories over generations for thousands of years
and the fact that you even point this out is in itself suspicious, because they only account of any of these things is from thousands of years ago, and never again
where are the modern human experiences? we have cameras, video, sound recording equipment now, and for some reason none of these things have ever be recorded, why is that?
>my core argument here is that I think it’s foolish to completely discredit the idea of a creator.
my core argument is there's no reasons to believe something that someone is purporting to be true, that that has zero evidence, and is only asserted to be true, based on nothing but wishful thinking and shear ignorance
Anonymous No.941493476 [Report]
>>941491345
Are you even fooling yourself with that tripe?
Anonymous No.941496358 [Report]
>>941457902 (OP)
probably
Anonymous No.941498576 [Report]
>>941457902 (OP)
yes
but not what you think God is, even though God is.
Anonymous No.941499559 [Report]
>>941470430
>>941471658
bullcrap
Anonymous No.941500309 [Report]
>>941457902 (OP)
no, short and simple answer
Humanities first cope with what they didn't know/couldn't explain + Humanities wants for wishes out of their control.
Anonymous No.941500474 [Report]
>>941464463
DMT is released into the brain upon death, my theory is that because some people believe so much in their faith they are able to materialize these tings into their after death life repeat moment
Anonymous No.941501168 [Report]
fine tuned universe
cosmological constant
1 chance in 10 exponent 60

that's one and 60 zeroes
Anonymous No.941501197 [Report]
>>941457902 (OP)
>Does God exist?
Everything is explained here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Retconned/comments/1m0px7o/attention_at_least_one_rapture_has_already/

Alt URL (redirects to the post):

https://www.truth-now.org

From the post:
>And don't be deceived by the fact that the masses aren't talking about this info. In actuality, this info is the most important thing on the planet right now—by far. Nothing else even comes close.
Anonymous No.941501547 [Report]
>>941469045
So whee is this zero point flux then?
and if the debate of existence vs non-existence is merely a phase of evolution, then why over 300,000 my have we not figured it out?
Anonymous No.941501841 [Report]
>>941457902 (OP)
Nope.
ラリルレロ No.941503060 [Report] >>941506401
>>941457902 (OP)
I know the devil is real, therefore I know God is real.
Anonymous No.941503331 [Report]
Tell me I'm your type, and maybe I'll stick around. ......
Anonymous No.941506401 [Report]
>>941503060
how do you know the devil is real?
Like what does he manifest to you or something
Anonymous No.941506444 [Report]
If I am cum bait that runs out will these awful bitches finally stop
Anonymous No.941508760 [Report]
I don't know.
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