Thread 941900265

This shit is ruining my life. I detoxed in rehab earlier this year but could only manage 3 months sober. Now I'm drinking a litre of vodka a day. How the fuck does anyone ever kick this shit?

>>941900265 (OP)
I used to have to wake up with a fifth of absolut next to me every morning, just to prevent the shaking

I would already be in delirium tremens when I woke up, literally shaking and rattling and racking

It was so bad, I couldn't even get drunk anymore, and I was literally just drinking to stop the shaking.

ALCOHOL IS THE MOST DISGUSTING STUPID LOW CLASS NIGGER WHITE TRASH TRAILER PARK DRUG OF THEM ALL

there's absolutely nothing glamorous or classy about being a piece of garbage

You will eventually either decide to stop being a disgusting piece of white trash, or you'll die

either way, that's your problem

You're just weak

>how do I stop being weak?

You're the only one who can answer that question for yourself

Have a goal, even as simple as moving to a place you desire more than your current location. Once you quit drinking you have super powers, all the time you usually wasted as a drunk materializes, and suddenly a single day feels like 3 days combined in one

>>941900265 (OP)
There's a reason why alcoholism is known as a lifelong condition. Once that shit has its claws in you, it's a lifelong battle not to go back to the bottle. Whenever something bad happens, (or even good things), you're going to want to drink. You can beat it, but you have to have your guard up at all times.

>>941900265 (OP)
No worries, you'll be dead soon! Then your problem will be solved!

At that point I would heavily consider just replacing it with weed/kratom/kava and go from there. Use simple math to taper down, hospital is probably not necessary. Alcohol and weed both suck ass objectively, but I'd rather be a pothead than an alcoholic before I get completely clean.

Ironically I quit weed first and replaced it with alcohol, was waking up drinking vodka and all thru the day as well but 8 months into it I decided I'm done. I did go to the hospital but it was likely not necessary, get strong urges for weed/alcohol even a year later. But I am 1000x more honest with myself this year than in my entire life. The coping tactics don't feel like they work only after you done it 1000x, but at that point it did work so what I felt was irrelevant.

You already know what you need to do, you just need it spelled out plain and simple.

>>941900678
>alcoholism is known as a lifelong condition
Not even close to being true, Priorities dictate what matters in life. I drank till I was about 50 and realized my family was worth more than the bottle, I put the bottle down and never looked bac, don't care too.......If you prioritize the bottle, you WILL lose!

>>941900896
>j-just replace it with another drug
beyond retarded advice

>>941900938
Of course it's retarded but it worked for me and I gave my reasoning. Plenty of corroborating stories of people replacing it with weed then quitting weed. What's more retarded is going on /b/ and expecting sound advice regarding serious issues like this.

>>941900938
Like I said he/you already know what to do. People been in his footsteps millions of times and the prevailing winners have already given more than enough guidance for addiction. Not like we're talking about finding the meaning of life here, this is a specific mental problem with concrete answers.

>>941901274
>this is a specific mental problem with concrete answers.
Is it really though? There are hundreds of reasons why someone might become an alcoholic. Trying to boil it down to one specific formula of recovery is one of the reasons why so many fail in programs like AA and rehab imo.

>>941900265 (OP)
If you want to end up as a brain damaged retard who can't remember things which happened 5 mins ago or raise your left arm, keep going. There are worse things than death, and alcohol leads to a bunch of them.

>>941901514
I agree but walking down those branching paths/copes is the discovery process. I also agree people use those as a cop out answer and it's doing harm to plop them on the laps of people instead of framing it in a different way.

I hope OP reads this: I look at it like this, those coping tactics and communities are a way to chip away and reveal what is your root cancer so then you can work on that. They shouldn't be advertised as the solution itself, it's just paths to walk that 'might' and hopefully reveal what you need to do in your specific situation.

One day at a time. John Spencer's character on the West Wing has some great scenes on being an alcoholic. Get a VPN and watch it free on Channel 4 UK

>>941900265 (OP)
One day at a time. Today is day 829 for me.

In the first half year it was a great motivation to see how my physical performance improved almost by day (though I was fit also when I drank till i blacked out every day, but without booze I got to a new level).

But the biggest motivation was that it has actually destroyed my life, and I think I stopped way too late. I'm not sure if there is a way back, but I still give it a few more months.

Oh, and you gotta find something to do instead of drinking. I started to do two things: in the evenings I go offline watch animes instead of drinking, and I started to contribute to an open source project (as a bonus I actually managed to get myself a name over the past months in that project). I try to drown my free time only in these activities to take my mind off of drinking.

get a prescription for antabuse. it will make you violently, even deathly ill if you drink at all.

it removes the "choice" of whether or not to drink.

>>941900265 (OP)
you've hit the straight vodka stage. You either quit now or you die within a year. It killed my brother. It's killed millions. I quit alcohol 17 years ago, but I was a beer drinker. I quit cold turkey after a really heavy night of drinking. I'm technically California sober now. I enjoy THC drinks and gummies. Better high, better for you. You're committing suicide. It will get extremely painful. Your entire body will hurt, it probably does already. Just quit.

>>941900265 (OP)
I joined AA, got a sponsor and went through the 12 steps with him. It worked. I'm 22 years clean and sober, now.

>>941901919
Personally I remember seeing an AA ad on the street not so long before I stopped drinking.

I looked them up, and I learned that they are a religious thing, and that they don't do english speaking sessions (I'm an expat in a non-english speaking country).

This got me so pissed, I thought to myself "fuck it, I can do it on my own, without any help". And so I did.

(Or maybe god does exist and that was his plan all along, in which case "...well played")

>>941902063
I'd say spiritual more than religious. I'm not a Christian, but I am a believer.

>>941902063
not religious. like anon said it's spiritual. the worst alcoholics absolutely cannot be helped by human power. I am one of them. I'm only 10 months sober but my life has completely turned around in that time. AA won't work for everyone but if you don't drink and go to meetings it might just catch on and start working. you have to give it 100% though. literally everything the book tells you to do, you have to do.

>>941900265 (OP)
A litre a day is unsustainable. Might aswell take a flamethrower to your liver at that point. Stop or die.

I feel for you. 10 months myself after over a decade, with several failed attempts and relapses. Wasn't doing 1 liter per day but probably 750ml.

Here's what I would recommend:

1.) Inform medical professionals and build a support team. If you're using the metric system (I.e. liters), there's a chance you have access to affordable health care. Get a psychiatrist to help with whatever underlying issues you have if you haven't already. Whatever you do, with any medical professional, be very open about the amount you're drinking as that will inform their decisions. GABA-Pentin can be good for partially satisfying the GABA system while you quit.

2.) Research the ill effects of alcohol. I routinely would do blood work and my liver enzymes were always horrible. I'd do ultrasounds and my organs (especially liver) were enlarged with fatty infiltration. I did a fibroscan to check for fibrosis. If you can quantify the damage you're doing to your body, it is motivating to see how those numbers can change when you're on the right track. Also, do note that people die very young from alcoholism. We've all heard of alcoholic grandparents and similar, but keep in mind they probably weren't drinking 1L of vodka, and they're lucky. People die of cirosis when they're 35. Liver transplants are extremely hard to come by, and even if you somehow managed to find a donor, you need to demonstrate months of sobriety before you're eligible.

3.) Consider something like diazepam as a lesser of two evils. Doctors are justly reluctant to provide this, but in your case they'd be more inclined. A reliable diazepam dose is much easier on the mind then alcohol. Also, it has a long half life so the potential of addiction is much less. Do note - this is not a long term solution and getting off of benzos is notoriously treacherous.

That's all I can think of, I wish you the best as you battle this disease.

>>941900265 (OP)
you need to truly want to stop.
you may need to cut some people out of your life and get new friends.
stay away from temptation.
I'm sure there's more, but the above is a start; if you can't do the above, you ain't quitting shit.

Try the Sinclair Method.
It got my alcoholism under control.

Only real men need to message me-boys can scroll.
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>>941900265 (OP)
Replace the bad habit with a good one, my man. It's much easier than you think. I never understood why 4chan doesn't think very highly of sobriety? If I was in a store ripping something off for a client and I was some stumbling drunk my attempts at theft would not be very innovative to say the least. Not all highs and addictions are external, ya know? Why not switch to coffee?

>>941900265 (OP)
I have tried drinking but I just can't get into it, I am on nicotine and im trying to stop it. I need more social interaction i spend too much time on my pc

>>941900265 (OP)
Litre of vodka a day is suicidal level drinking.

>>941900265 (OP)
Switch to marijuana. A lot less hard on you. Or take Ozempic/Monjauro type GLP-1. It will completely kill the booze craving.

>>941900374
Bukowski made being a boozer work for him. Hippy chicks loved his drunk old ass.

>>941900265 (OP)
youre lucky im looking for furry porn for my goon bud on discord
im in my 30s and drank since 14, heavy, vodka, like you. i am you.

i am you.

all of it.

so. how did i fix.

its AA. yeah. dont argue with me. i fucking beg of you, you shit for brains, no good goddam retard.
if you do one thing right in your life, you will listen to me right now - this is hope and i am giving you life and if you do not take it shame on you

find an AA meeting

go

you can be drunk just shut the fuck up and if anyone says anything say "Tradition 3, I need help, I will be quiet."

Shut up. Listen. Go. Go drunk if you have to. Go to online meetings drunk if you have to.

Go to aa. its unironically realizing that God is a set of principles that prevent YOU, EVIL YOU, YOUR WILL, YOUR SHITTY IDEAS AND TERRIBLE THINKING (retard <3) THAT HAVE GOTTEN YOU IN YOUR POSITION THAT YOU ARE IN

those. that stuff. bad. God=not that stuff. AA members talk about how not that stuff is good.

you need this because you are retarded.

If you listen to me, you will find it is not we who are cursed - it is everyone else

fuck you its reddit spacing

go to aa

retard

i love you

>>941900913
I think you're being too cocky. Good for you that you have a loving family as an anchor to help you avoid drinking, but what about the anons who have shitty families or are alone in this world? What if your family left you and you were all alone, don't you think you'd be vulnerable to start drinking again? I'm not wishing this to happen to you, I'm just saying you're wrong in saying it's not a lifelong battle just because you in particular have a stable life.

>>941900265 (OP)
I never drank my entire life. I turn 36 next month and I just started drinking vodka daily. Can't wait to wash my mouth out with a shotgun one day.

>>941901901
>you've hit the straight vodka stage
Is this an actual thing?

>>941900265 (OP)
Litre a day is messy. Time to talk to someone buddy.

>>941904855
>A litre a day is unsustainable.
It's unsustainable only with this attitude. You gotta believe in yourself, or you will get to nowhere.

I quit drinking and smoking when I got cancer. You need a reason to quit, and you have to want it. That's the only way you'll do it. If there aren't consequences there's never a reason to quit. I wanted to live and here I am. Just had a checkup with my oncologist and my scans are clear 3 years out. It can get better, but you have to want it. Good Luck

>>941900265 (OP)
that's rookie numbers my man... keep at it to join big leagues. also life without a drink is unbearable.

>>941900524
as if that's somehow a good thing.

Only drink on weekend.
Post-cold-turkey monday afternoon feels always fucking great and the next days when the blood gets thicker again, my energy to exercise explodes. I might be addicted to that feeling more than being drunk. Alcohol might just be my secret power potion.

>>941900913
>Drank until 50
What a fucken piece of shit

the FACT is that you CAN quit and the ONLY thing that you can do is to know that. You can either quit, or you literally can't quit for some reason lol. Sometimes reverse psychology works like literally tell yourself you can't quit and then disagree. But, people are stupid, fundamentally. You can hypnotize them. You can change them. "How does anyone NOT drink?" Just get rid of that not, and repeat it over and over again.

If that doesn't work, you can't quit lol I could have quit weed a few times. I tried once when I couldn't, I was in a bad place and quitting made things worse.

>>941914148
>that stuff. bad. God=not that stuff.


That is very, VERY correct, my child.

THE LORD KNOWETH BEST ! !

But in this moment it is very important to becoming aware of the times we are living in...

Yes, that is right !

I am indeed talking about the END TIMES

Repent all lest ye be left behind with the demonic demons of analistic lusts !

VERILY, THE NEPHILIM ARE WANDERING THE EARTH ARMED WITH THE FEMURS OF SLAIN DEITIES THEY INTEND TO SLAY HAMNKIND NEXT BUT I HAVE SEEN THE VISION OF LIGHT I AM ARMED BEYOND BELIEF !

They may have femurs of deities but I am armed with the chants of light

I HAVE REBUKED MANY EVIL SPIRITS, FROM WITHIN AND FROM THE IN THIS WAY !


AA RIGHT UP THEIR UNHOLY A !

Join the vult for deus and win side by side.

We have the power to rebuke

>>941921684
>HAMNKIND
great typo.
i'm going to eat a ham sandwich now