Thread 942475012

why are you so frightened of communism?

>>942475012 (OP)
oh hi commie nigger. i have a question for you: since commies can only leech from superiors and handicap people to achieve your goals, would you amputate people's left leg at birth since the average working legs of the whole human population is less than 2?

idk who this guy is but he got some panache

>I want every facet of my life run by some dictator
kys, my man

Just like the blacks, it doesn't work.

>>942476894

he was so broke, he had only 1 pair of pants and would have to stay home for days because his wife would have to pawn them for money to buy food.

>>942475012 (OP)
I mean other than being responsible for more deaths than any other ideology in the past 200 years, and always resulting in nightmare police states, economic collapse, and starvation, communism seems pretty nice.

We should give it another shot. That wasn't real Communism. Real Communism will work this time.

>>942477457
holy fuck we should try it but only with the lower class. yes please.

>>942477457
Yeah, it's the communists who cause all that pain in the world, totally not the capitalism that has nearly eaten up the entire planet.

>>942475012 (OP)
Fuck off, logfag

>>942479059
weaklings die, big deal. if we ain't allowed to perform eugenics the economy will do it for us.

Once again, no one in this thread has any idea what communism means.

>>942479227
mental illness and denying the reality. we were never equals.

>>942475012 (OP)
No one is frightened of it. Stop spamming, you gay retard.

No one wants a repeat of what happened to literally EVERY country that practised that retarded ideology.

Tell me I'm your type, and maybe I'll stick around. .....

>>942475012 (OP)
Without capitalism, you would not be able to spam this every other day. You'd be in a factory or work camp. You also wouldn't have internet. Retard.

>>942479227
>>942479647
>>942479687
These. Fuck off OP you mega faggot.

>>942475012 (OP)
people can't live without pain and misery so they instinctively reject good systems

>>942478731
>"Let's do this class less society thing that we've never managed to get to work before, but only with the lower classes".
I have to go find the writings of an Ancient Greek philosopher again, who was advocating for a society where no one had to work, so they could be free to engage in creating art, music, deepening their philosophy and keeping fit by engaging in the sports they prefer. He also intended it to provide food, wine, other types of alcohol, clothes and other necessities for free as well.
Now unlike communists, he said the quiet part out loud when someone asked him who was supposed to make all of those things that were freely provided to the people, by replying like this "Oh, the slaves will take care of all of that of course".
So someone has had your idea once before anon.

>>942475012 (OP)
For me it’s the state sponsored violence.

>>942479647
>No one wants a repeat of what happened to literally EVERY country that practised that retarded ideology.
And in which countries exactly has communism ever existed?

>>942475012 (OP)
I don't want to starve to death
China is a fascist state at this point, not commie

>>942480040
USSR, Cuba, China, Cambodia, North Korea, Vietnam, Laos, Poland, East Germany, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Romania, Afghanistan, Angola, Ethiopia, Mongolia and likely a bunch more that called themselves various iterations of socialist and democratic names while being communist in practice.

>>942480683
not a single good answer
bravo!

>>942480707
Not one single rebuttal, par for the course with you useful idiot anon.

>>942480759
i don't need to because you have no idea what the fuck are you even talking about

>>942480781
That sentiment is mutual, you have never shown that you actually know communism well enough to argue why it is good in any way at all.

>>942480863
oh but i very well do know what communism is because i can define it, unlike you

>>942480503
>ITT not a single person in favor of communism except OP weakly replying “that’s not real communism”

>>942480885
A simple definition based on rote repetition does not a Communist scholar make.

>>942481099
>arguing with meme replies
facts are still facts
>>942481114
a simple definition is enough to btfo you. what's even the point of going further if you have no basis to confront me?

>>942481192
Yeah the fact is that no one wants communism and all of your threads consist of you getting dunked on while replying
>Thats wasn’t real communism!
Over and over again

>>942480683
>while being communist in practice.
None of these countries has ever claimed to be communist. But if you write that, then surely you can explain to us what the difference is between socialist and communist?

>>942481246
>retard still can't define communism
a 10yo with a smartphone could do it. i guess that says a lot about your mental capabilities

>>942481277
don't expect an honest answer. they're always arguing in bad faith

>>942481297
>Arguing semantics
>That wasn’t real communism
>You can’t define communism
>You haven’t read obscure Marxist theory
Cool story bro but no one is interested in your failed 20th century ideology

>>942481335
>STILL can't define it
>mental gymnastics and strawmanning
WEW

>>942475012 (OP)
history

>>942479227
Another commie moving goalposts.
>That wasn't real communism!
>You don't even know what communism means!

>>942481411
>>You don't even know what communism means!
because you know right? you're not just full of shit right?

>>942481411
He’ll just keep going and then make the same thread again tomorrow.

>>942477457
But there was never a true communist state ever, so how is communism responsible for any deaths? If communism was implemented properly nobody would die from it.

>>942481477
OP keeps baiting you because you can't give a single coherent argument

>>942475012 (OP)
I'm more frightened of how so many Americans have absolutely no comprehension of the differences between social democrats, socialism, and communism, or the difference between democracy and authoritarianism.

>>942481552
The history of the 20th century is the coherent argument, lol.

>>942481452
I do know. I am just not going to play your faggot mental gymnastics word salad games. Plus it is fun watching you kvetch.

>>942480040
>But it wasn't REAL communism

Typical commie cope

>>942481605
>i know but i won't tell, nyeh!
so you don't know. thanks for clarifying
>>942481592
too bad that it's an argument against you. reading is hard for some

Communism is a Jewish death cult

>>942475012 (OP)
>why are you so frightened of communism?
WHY does your content have such high levels of horseshit?

communism takes power away from jews so of course any involuntary foreskin donor was told to oppose it

To all communists: I promise we will voluntarily adopt communism as soon as every avowed communists self-immolates on a giant pyre. I pinkie promise we'll do it, you just have to all burn yourselves to death. None of that smoke inhalation and passing out shit, wait til the fire gets tall and hot and then throw yourself into it so we can hear you writhe and scream in agony until you die.

And then we'll adopt communism. I cross my heart and hope to die.

>>942479109
Fuck your problems. SHITPOST NOW

>>942481411
But in this case, I'm completely right, aren't I? You have no idea what communism is. And I'm not asking for a sophisticated academic description, just a simple explanation of the key points of communism. You, and no one else here who writes about communism, can describe it in any other way than as forced labor. That's pretty weak, isn't it?

If someone asked you what distinguishes an airplane from a car or an arctic desert from a sand desert, you would all be able to correctly describe the two terms and name their differences in a flash. But while you constantly throw around terms like communism, socialism, liberalism, blah, blah, blah, as soon as it comes to anything you think is shitty, you have no idea what these words actually mean.

I'm no fan of communism, and I don't think it would work, especially in our modern, complex, globalized economy. But at least I know what it's about. And I don't use the term as a substitute for “that sucks.”

>>942481743
>communism takes power away from jews

Study some history. Marx was a jew. Most of the bolshevists were Jews. Jews literally invented and created the first communist movements.

Antifa is also deeply associated with communism. They have always been the militaristic shock troops of communism. Antifa goes out and commits the domestic terrorism needed to destabilize a nation in order to start a communist revolution.

>>942481899
Like I said. I am not playing your faggot mental gymnastics word salad games. And it is hilarious watching you commie faggots squirm and write your 100,000 word essays on how that wasn't real communism.

Get a job, and stop being a nigger parasite. Pull your own weight, parasite.

>>942481641
I'm not saying that it wasn't TRUE communism, but that it wasn't communism at all. Even no country in human history has ever claimed to be communist.

>>942481935
no, idiot, communism by definition takes power away from jews because it's a classless, moneyless society and a jew without high class and money is just a regular human who can't force you to be his wage slave
jews are afraid of real communism because it strips them of their rule and they'll do EVERYTHING to stop anyone from even thinking about starting a communist society
also Marx was a marxist (surprise!), bolshevists were marxist-leninist

>>942481935
If that's true, then how come there was so little third world immigration to communist states?

>>942476964
>>942475104
proof?

>>942477389
Source: Dude trust me.

>>942482087
>Timmy, can you define a triangle?
>i-i'm not playing your faggot mental gymnastics word salad games!
>that's an F, Timmy. sit down

>>942477329
Apparently didn't wash much, either. People always commented on his stench.
So basically he was just like modern commies.

>>942475012 (OP)
What hasn’t already been said on this dumbass thread?

>>942482118
And that never fucking happens. It always results in even more class division as the bourgeois inner party sucks up all the wealth and the proletariats starve. Every single fucking time.

But that wasn't real communism and it will work this time!

You faggots deny human nature, deny history, and stick to your ridiculous fan fiction of the impossible fantasy of communism.

>>942482156
>Timmy can you shove this triangle up your ass?
>No
>Bet you don’t even know Pythagoras theorem smh you ignoramus

>>942482125
>Why don't people want to immigrate to places with collapsed economies and mass starvation?
Weird
The Berlin wall was to keep the capitalists from fleeing to the communist side, right?

>>942482087
You are welcome to google which countries have had communist regimes. But I'm sure you've already done that and are therefore refusing to go into more detail about what communism means, right?

You would have been quick to point out the difference between a car and an airplane. But when it comes to communism, you fail. You are incompetent.

>>942482238
>And that never fucking happens
so you agree that it was never a thing. see how easy it was?
>deny human nature
no, you deny human nature. that's why you're a wagie sitting on some shitty forum and thinking that this is your natural state
>>942482247
you tried to be witty but you shot yourself in the foot. bravo, retard

>>942482298
i'm pretty sure that he can't tell a difference between a plane and a car either

>>942482135
The source is Ayn Rand, it's in the quote. A woman who escaped from the communist hellhole of the Soviet Union.
So, someone with first had experience of communist oppression, not just some retarded loser in the US with a sociology degree who's one skill in life is making foam art in coffee drinks.

>>942482284
It was the anti fascist protection wall, protecting East Berlin from fascism.

>>942482298
>Real communism has never been tried
>Now hold still, I’m going to try a real communism
Not anywhere near me you won’t.

>>942482222
So now logfag is a communist? I thought you were sure he was a Nazi.

>>942475012 (OP)
>dumb dumbs confusing disgust with fear again

We aren't afraid of shit. Every time commies get uppity we beat you back down into your place. It's second nature at this point.

see? >>942482365
going around in circles like a flushed turd

>>942482238
>I don't know what communism is, but I can still write a lot about it.

>>942482298
No, I have dealt with hundred of hair splitting faggots like you before and I stopped playing your games on your terms. Because you will just say
>Well actually...
And always word salad your way out of anything you are proven wrong about. Because every failure of Communism in the past will be denied by you because that "wasn't real communism".
Communism will forever remain this impossible to achieve utopia that you retards strive for. And you are always just one more political imprisonment, one more assassination, one more government induced famine away from achieving. Because you gotta break a few eggs to make an omelette, right?

>>942482361
you're just a retard who calls its uncomfortable shackles fascism because they ain't comfortable. please kill yourself.

One of the best vids I've seen about communism in a while had a guy walking around an ivy league university, don't remember which, asking students about communism. Most talked about how great it was....until the guy put forth a plan to socialize the grading system. The everyone with high grades with have to give part of their GPA to students with lower grades. All of the pinkos suddenly became ancaps.

>>942482466
>going around in circles like a flushed turd
That’s what these threads are, every single time. People telling OP communism is terrible, genocidal, contrary to freedom, nature, etc. OP replying that real communism hasn’t been tried. That’s all there is to it.

>>942482360
Why would I trust her anyways? She sounds like a fag. Besides I'm not dying for an oil corporation like amerimutt US

>>942482537
Educate kids early about Communism by taking away half their Halloween candy and say you are going to give it to a kid that didn't even bother going out trick or treating. It is only fair after all.

>>942482546
Tbf the USA is so shit it makes communism appealing

>>942482365
I didn't say that I want communism; strictly speaking, I just said that I don't think it would work. You are very stuck in your, um, response technique.

However, I am saying that you and the others who use communism etc. as a swear word have no idea what it means. And you all prove that to me time and time again.

>>942482517
tf does that even mean?

>>942482488
>Communism will forever remain this impossible to achieve utopia
so it wasn't tried after all
bravo, retard! it wasn't that hard to admit it now, was it?

>>942482602
So just crapitalism borgeious class?

>>942482605
Only an American who has never travelled could believe something so stupid.

>>942482635
it's all fascism as long as rules and authority exist. BURN THEM ALL DOWN >:3

>>942482605
THIS. This is literally the only reason why communism is making a comeback

>>942482605
No, go spend 5 minutes in vietnam. Communism is worse.

>>942482635
also commiefag should literally off itself.

>>942482692
It’s not making a comeback lmao.

>>942482361
Nah there's no way you're that stupid.

>>942482696
>You think America is shit? You live in that country though so you must be right

>Look! Ayn Rand lives in soviet Russia so she's right when she says Soviets are shit

>>942482692
Its not, youre just exposed to it more in your age group and demographic than before, once you hit 25-30 people just fuck off to work and stop pretending that being a "rebolutionary" is ever going to occur within their lifetime. Its a petty little power fantasy that livid buttmad liberals pretend is relevant in the face of consistent comfort in life due to the affordability of capitalism and that little mac book youre typing this in.

>>942482605
>You live in a country so prosperous that your poor people are fat
>You'd be better off if you were all the starving slaves of a repressive communist regime.

>>942482696
Sorry but I'm not a poopyhead who died in the draft who's sole purpose in life is to be government ammunition. That's why Vietnam won mayo monkey

hey guys, did you know what USA, 3rd reich, ancient greeks, roman empire, babylonians, ku klux clan and people in stone age were all communist?
wdym no? i can define it however i want apparently

>>942482641
No, it's been tried multiple times and failed miserably, always dissolving into a totalitarian mess ruled by sociopaths.
China is the only country that's made something work, and that's just because they've basically evolved from a communist into what would be best characterized as fascism.

>>942482815
"success is when people are fat"

>>942482791
No seriously. Northern Vietnam is STILL a communist country. I have been there as a medical equipment tech. Its a terrible place. Butstay contrarian and pretend that capitalism is going away while you type out your momento on a computer and the internet freely available to you, unlike the Vietnamese or north koreans....

>>942482641
>so it wasn't tried after all
>bravo

Because it is impossible and will always result in a nightmare police state, tyranny, even more class division, a single political party with all the wealth and power, economic collapse, and starvation.
It happened again and again and you faggots literally are the meme reepating
>That wasn't real communism
>It will work this time

>>942482869
the KKK believed so much in equality they wanted to make everyone white.

>>942482488
I think we can both agree that it's not you who defines where communism once ruled, but the respective government. Or, for that matter, political scientists and economists. And you're still on the wrong track in that no government ever claimed to be communist, and that doesn't get any better by conscientiously ignoring this fact.

And so you continue to babble about things you don't have the slightest clue about. And you draw false conclusions about other people you don't know. To prevent everyone from seeing that you have no idea, you prefer to continue showing everyone that you have no idea. Congratulations.

And you're not the only one. This peculiarity comes up EVERY TIME I ask about the meaning of terms like communism, socialism, etc. when Anons use them. Every single damn time. And I just ask about the meaning, nothing else.

>>942482912
"I have been there" proof?

I'm also Joe Biden's alt account btw. Ex-president here AMA

>>942482907
>It's better when poor people starve to death.
You're a moron.

>>942482866
That doesnt change shit about vietnam still being communist and it still being a shithole. But, not real communismo amirite?

>>942482954
SNAP has just been cut. Enjoy the famine so big and devastating that Mao's "famine" will look like a missed snack in comparison

>>942482887
>>942482924
okay, morons, i'll go to my commie shop to spend my commie money on commie products and will give you an actual definition of communism so you can stop being retarded in [public, mkay?

>>942482983
If I forced people to destroy your house under threat of jail your house will be shit too. Stfu. Do you enjoy being government ammunition? Are you this much of a sub?

>>942482951
You arent required to believe me, but current communist countries prove that its a self defeating system. Nobody is hoping for it to return in any fashion, believing that its making a comeback is purely college level stooging.

>>942483012
>1/6th of the US population is about to starve to death
kek

>>942483068
wrong

>>942483012
Kek. Good, fuck white people, amirite?

I'm not even a communist. I just enjoy making others mad

>>942483098
I do believe that was the use of irony, anon.

>>942483119
>Gets badly BTFO
>I was just trolling!

>>942482954
It's better when poor "people" starve to death
ftfy

>>942483063
>youre just a slave because of past wars
Communism in modern times has not proliferated regardless of its relative independence and autonomy from the reat of the world. But the rest of the world is fucking capitalist because communism is garbage. Pretty simple, keep up or get left behind..

>>942483143
capitalists are like poop. Killing a capitalism is no different than taking a shit

>>942482887
No. Socialism was introduced many times, but communism was never tried.

But there's no difference for you, is there?

>>942483185
>No true Scotsman fallacy

>>942483162
At anytime they want the government can just dispose of you as easily as taking a dump by initiating a draft, yet you unironically believe you are free.

>>942482912
No, it isn't. What did you observe there that would lead you to call it communist?

>>942482947
Because I don't care about your pie in the sky word salad economic theory. I am concerned with the tens of millions of dead people that resulted when your faggy word salad ideas are attempted in real life.

Imagine if every time one of Elon Musk's rockets blew up they said
>The simulation said that wasn't supposed to happen
>That wasn't a real test
>It will work this time
And changed nothing about the design. Then it fails again and they just say
>Again, the simulation says this isn't supposed to happen
>That wasn't a real test
>We are sticking with the same design

Your economic models and ideas about communism being able to work are fundamentally wrong.

>>942483391
Enjoy being homeless LOL

>>942475012 (OP)
I like being a NEET

>>942483465
mmm i'd give him monies if he blew me

>>942483391
>>942483531

>>942483567
>Communist gets BTFO
>Starts spamming scat

>>942483597
>mfw I stick around because I have a scat fetish

>>942483203
Different terms have their own specific meanings. If someone points out that you are incorrectly using the term communism to mean socialism, that is not a true fallacy. You don't even understand this fallacy.

>>942483664
fallacy deez nuts

>>942482924
ENJOY YOUR CEREAL LOSER

>>942483399
I know what a rocket is. You don't know what communism is. In that respect, your whole comparison is off the mark.

I myself don't even think communism would work. But that much differentiation is already too much for you.

>>942483664
>Real communism has never been tried!
>All the we've tried is the necessary precursor to communism that has failed miserably every single time!

>>942483867
proof?

>>942483861
>I know what a rocket is.
I wouldn't trust you in charge of a project to make one. You're dumbass. And in that same vein, I wouldn't trust you with any power at all to shape a government. Because you're a dumbass.

>>942483886
>logspeak

>>942483945
source and evidence?

>>942483957
>>>/b/

>>942483867
So now you're accidentally right that socialism is a necessary precursor to communism. Do you see now why you mistakenly thought this was a True Scotsman fallacy, or does it not matter anymore because more than two posts have been made since then?

>>942483912
Would you trust yourself to build a rocket?

>>942483845
>Commie upset that a capitalist has food to eat
Yup, sounds about right.

>>942483861
You worship the fictional economic model of communism like a religion. And just like a religious zealot, no amount of pesky real world facts and evidence will ever shake your faith in your religion.

>>942484120
>accidentally right
How is giving Marx's thoughts on the subject "accidental"?

>>942484149
>Moves goalposts
I'm not the one trying to force people to live under a political system they don't want.

>>942479227
Including yourself. #notrealcommunismagain

>>942484158
Reading comprehension is negative infinity

>>942484158
>You worship the fictional economic model of communism like a religion. And just like a religious zealot, no amount of pesky real world facts and evidence will ever shake your faith in your religion.
I don't think communism is feasible, which makes your insinuations seem ridiculous. So thank you for showing us your stubborn narrow-mindedness.

>>942484177
Because you have consistently avoided saying anything about communism so far, so that no one notices that you have no knowledge of the subject. Therefore, you were accidentally correct in the sense that you are usually incorrect. This has nothing to do with Marx's ideas; your quick Google search was in vain.

>>942484408
Haven't used google a single time, retard.

>>942484459
based comrade fighting against big corp

>>942484536
My favorite is when leftists say you didn't go to college and then 5 seconds later pretend they can't comprehend nigger per capita crime statistics.

>>942484248
As you may remember, I was referring to the fact that you wouldn't trust me to build a rocket, even though you wouldn't trust yourself to build a rocket either, which makes your statement about not trusting me to build a rocket completely meaningless. But I don't think you understand that or care.

Because I had already written to you in the post you quoted that I don't think communism works, and you ignored that too. You're just running an automatic response tirade. I don't even think you'd recognize a moving goalpost if there were one.

>>942484459
If you say so, it must be true.

No one is afraid of it! The uneducated think that it will work "this time!". They need to move to a country that has it and try to live for 10 years. They won't. They wouldn't last a year.

>>942484777
>They need to move to a country that has it
Which countries are those again?

>>942475012 (OP)
When I was thirteen, communism snuck into my house at night and ate my mom and dog.

>>942475012 (OP)
Okay OP you win let’s “define communism.” According to Wikipedia:
>Communism is a political and economic ideology whose goal is the creation of a communist society, a socioeconomic order centered on common ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange that allocates products in society based on need
Happy?

>>942484814
North Korea seems like a nice place.

>>942484878
Cuba actually is pretty nice but it’s also very very poor compared to the US.

>>942484878
This unironically. I don't allow CIA propaganda to control me

>>942484978
and yet you allow commiefag propaganda to do it. curious :3

>>942484978
Another leftist faggot who won't put his money where his mouth is
>Yeah North Korea seems great!
>Better than the USA actually!
>What?
>No I don't want to actually back my words up and move there because reasons
>I will continue to live in the capitalist hellhole by choice instead of moving the communist utopia

Just like all you faggots were moving to Canada when Trump won in 2016.

>>942475104
Communists are overwhelmingly people who do the hardest work for a living. A privileged white boy like u wouldn't know tho.

>>942484708
Right. You're the one wanting to install a political system against the consent of the people who would be ruled by it, not me. I am not the one doing that, so as to what my abilities or talents are is irrelevant to the discussion.
I'm not trying to force my ideology on unwilling people. You are.

>>942483020
okay time to show people why they are retarded in public
pay attention, kids!
for communism to exist, these two things ABSOLUTELY MUST BE TRUE:
1. no leaders
2. no money
if at lease one of these isn't satisfied, it's not communism and no amount your mental gymnastics will change that. that's the definition, i didn't make it, you can check it out yourselves. whatever those "examples" of yours claim to be, doesn't matter. 3rd reich could call themselves jew loving hippie pacifists and it wouldn't matter. their actions are what define them, not their, (nor yours) propaganda
now be so kind and give an example where those two points were satisfied. i'll wait patiently

>>942485109
Bullshit. They're overwhelmingly bourgeois kids of negligible talent and intelligence who're pissed that no one wants to pay them six figures for a sociology degree that they got with a 2.0 GPA.

>>942485088
Didn't read because I'm not a capitalist pig

>>942485109
>Communists are overwhelmingly people who do the hardest work for a living
this. i always help free of charge because i believe in betterment and good will
fuck, i get exploited a lot but i don't care. i stick to my principles
it's rightoids who want slavery back because they can't be fucked to work with their own two hands

>>942485109
Communists are overwhelmingly spoiled gay middle class white children.

>>942485191
Studying theatre at the local liberal arts college isn’t “working with your hands.” Most blue collar workers are pretty conservative lol.

>>942482361
Holy retard batman!!!! But yeah I lol'd

>>942485191
You're not that retarded commie who works at a bank in commercial lending, are you?

>>942485192
>>942485210
proof?

>>942485217
It's what it was called though. "The Anti-Fascist Protection Rampart"

>>942485109
Is that why they are mostly college educated liberal arts faggots who have never worked a manual labor or factory job in their entire life? You probably couldn't change the oil or a tire on a car if your life depended on it.

I always laugh at the Toyota Prius covered in lefty political stickers waiting on the side of the road for roadside assistance to change their flat tire. It is always some soy looking faggot.

>>942485223
no, i'm a retard who writes free code so idiots like you can post on sites like this free of charge

>>942485261
prooooof?

>>942485231
Go on social media and see who has commie shit in their bio, it’s usually tranny kids who post gay art. Look at the composition of groups like Antifa, almost all homosexuals and transvestites.

>>942485319
wrong

>>942485297
You already admitted it by not responding with your manual work history you are so proud of.
>Oh, I wasn't talking about how I have worked the hardest jobs before
>I just meant in general communists work the hardest jobs...

>>942485374
prewf? Meds now E

>>942485262
proof?

>>942485335
How many dicks have you sucked this week?

>>942485438
>Asked to provide evidence
>Immediately Chimps out
Meds Now E

The weirdest thing is, that you may live under a socialism and don't realise it yet. Let's just clarify some of that Marxism:

>Workers have to own the means of production instead of some investors
>This means, that the shares of a business have to be owned by the workers of that business.
>Also, the shares the workers own have to be equal. This doesn't mean same salary, just same voice in the action owner meeting.

Does this sound familiar? This is the socialist mean of production. In the capitalist one, the actions are owned by investors that may work in the business or not, and one investor may have the 50% of the shares, other the 20 and other the 30. That's the capitalist mode of production.

If you are "selbstandig"/alone businessman, you are in the socialist mean of production (until you get some workers). If you are in a family business without external workers, you and your family are in socialist mode of production. If you join with other business in a cooperative and the shares are equally owned, you are in a socialist business.

BUT, capitalist mean of production generates like the 80-90% of all the GDP. This ensures that we don't move to socialism or communism.

Now, here is what Marx believed:
>If the socialist mode of production gets to be the 50% of the GDP, then we start the transition to communism (socialism).
>When the 100% of the GDP is socialist, then we are in communism. Because there are no investors, there are no social classes.

But then you have Stalin, Mao and others forcing this with violence and tirany.

>>942485413
proof is you still posting here without subscription
...or maybe you're one of those 4chan pass morons

>>942485191
https://www.npr.org/2024/11/14/nx-s1-5183060/why-working-class-voters-have-been-shifting-toward-the-republican-party

>>942485319
Ironic considering all the classic communist idols like Che Guevara believed homosexuals should be put to death. All the antifa faggots would be the first sent to the gulag in their communist utopia.

>>942485537
I don't have 4chan pass because I save my money for donating to black trans queens in need. Grow up

>>942485565
proooooooof???

>>942485526
What are you ashamed of? How many dicks has it been this week? This is /b/, no one will be shocked.

>>942485595
4chan is not a human right. it should be privatized

>>942485618
>>942485526
I am the OP of both of these replies btw

>>942485565
Based. Stalin once famously said a homosexual was a degenerate and an idiot.

>>942485665
prewf?

>>942485565
Homosexuality is bourgeois perversion, as are all other sexual deviancies. That's why you know that all them are just failed bourgeoisie hijacking marxism for their own degenerate reasons.

>>942475012 (OP)
I don't fear what I hate.

>>942485688
https://marxist.com/letter-to-stalin-can-a-homosexual-be-in-the-communist-party.htm

>>942485614
>Prooo-ack!

It is ok though. It be dey culcha like the AI says. That wasn't real communism. Real communism has never been tried.

>>942484862
Not OP here, but wow, that's really not informative.

This is real communism

>>942485544
what did you expect in a capitalistic world?

>>942485733
>>942485742
Fake

>>942475012 (OP)
Logfag thread. He is not a communist he is a stupid Nazi Trump shit who makes these threads to trap people

He is a faggot

Enrage him

>>942485832
prewf?????

>>942485849
Called it.

Nazi FAGGOT

>>942485832
>Lolcow thinks they can enrage the troll by engaging in their trolling
Do you fight fire by throwing gasoline on the fire?

>>942484878
North Korea is a (somewhat) socialist state, not a communist one. And Kim Jong Un will be wary of introducing communism for selfish reasons.

Any other guesses?

>>942475012 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAVImvzFhXI

>>942484878
Cuba is also socialist, at its core. Not communist.

>>942485929
This thread totally does need to be burned down so yes
OP is a false flagging Nazi Trump shit faggot
It needs to be enraged so we can see the real poster break character
It's literally the only acceptable trade-off since the mods won't ban him for whatever reason

>>942485931
North Korea ain't bombing the middle East. Proof that communism is peace and crapitalism is drafted homeless scat waste

>>942485931
North Korea is a dictatorship.
There are no political nuances there

>>942485981
MOoOOOOoooOooOooO

>>942485931
NK insist on being democratic to the point that you're not allowed to publicly state or record yourself saying otherwise. you're only supposed to address them as DPRK only. if you don't, you'll get into trouble
does that make them democratic?

>>942485981
Look at him trying not to take the bait

He's gonna get upset and start calling you a tranny any moment lol

>>942485120
As you may remember, I was referring to the fact that you wouldn't trust me to build a rocket, even though you wouldn't trust yourself to build a rocket either, which makes your statement about not trusting me to build a rocket completely meaningless. But I don't think you understand that or care.

Because I had already written to you in the post you quoted that I don't think communism works, and you ignored that too. You're just running an automatic response tirade. I don't even think you'd recognize a moving goalpost if there were one.

>>942485755
It’s more informative than it seems. It captures the key aspects of communism:
>Common ownership of property
>Distribution of property according to “need”

>>942486042
So just like the US and the capitol "riots"?

>>942486010
Every communist state turns into a dictatorship because you give nearly unlimited power to the government. And absolute power corrupts absolutely. They are in complete control of the economy, the media etc. It always results in suppression of free speech and imprisonment of political rivals for no crimes other than thought crimes. Every fucking time.

>>942486098
Then it wasn't communism. It was opportunists taking over a state and turning it into a dictatorship

>>942486098
I am not government scat ammunition because I refuse to be drafted for the industrial military poop machine

>>942486120
>poop
Logspeak

>>942486110
It seems like attempts at communist revolutions uniformly allow opportunists to take power.

>>942485191
We learn: Communism is something to do with slave labor. And maybe mass shootings. Just like with Hitler back then. That fucking commie.

>>942486098
> suppression of free speech for political rivals
You mean like what Trump's trying to do?

>>942486134
Only because the capitalist West refuses to support or recognize such governments. They weaken power until the dictators they want are in charge

>>942486221
this
i wish i had a link of a compilation how US messed with every community attempting anything communist related that i saw on /leftypol/

>>942486221
Well then maybe they’re not such a good idea lol.

>>942486221
Ah, there we go. It's the 'democratic' west's fault that 'real communism' has failed.

Keep making excuses.

It's funny that commies need the support of the west but the west doesn't need the support of commies.

>>942486459
>>942486221
same person btw

>>942486005
>I string a lot of words together because when I string a lot of words together, others think the sentence makes sense.

>>942486459
Russia is a good example actually. It might've succeeded if Europe hadn't turned its military might against Lenin, weakening the movement.
Capitalist greed is the reason why Stalin rose to power

>>942486306
Of course it's a good idea. It manages resources wisely and treats people as equals
Two things that are severely lacking in capitalism

>>942486496
>I can't read so I'm blaming OP for writing

>>942486098
>communist
>state
Pick one.

>>942486495
I'm the bottom poster fat ass shut up
You don't get to call out the same fagging since you do it in every fucking thread

I guess because I like living in a country where people can't afford food and medical treatment

>>942486559
proof?

>>942486168
>You mean like what Trump's trying to do?
Citation needed. You retards are free to post endless lies about Trump all over social media and not a single one of you fears Trump's goons knocking on your door to arrest you tonight. You are total drama queen theatrical faggots who know you are full of shit. You know Trump isn't 1% the tyrant you pretend he he is.

>>942486302
All you have to do is look at countries and Central and South America. They weren't even communists, they were styled on Roosevelt new deal type policies
But the banana companies wouldn't allow it

>>942486584
Jesus fucking Christ shut the fuck up with your stupid fucking buzzwords fat ass

You fat Nazi Trump shit
Fuck you
Fuck you and your stupid false flagging threads

>>942486626
prewf?

>>942486010
Of course, this can be further clarified. After all, dictatorship is a rather broad term.

>>942486598
Trump is literally threatening judges who disagree with him

I mean pull your fucking head out of your goddamn ass you're not gonna deny that Trump is a Nazi wannabe who wants to consolidate power into a single figure
Because I will fucking smoke you if you keep talking shit and denying it

>>942486540
It manages resources poorly and treats people as equals, which they aren’t. In these two respected capitalism is inherently superior.

>>942486649
Not really it's a very narrow specific term
Basically one man controls everything and that's Kim Jong-un

>>942486005
North K has been selling Russia (crappy) bombs and added (crappy) troops to russia's invasion of Ukraine

>>942486635
That means shut the fuck up Trump shit

>>942486660
Right wing losers only think people aren't equals. That's why antifa exists, to punch retards like you say otherwise

>>942486698
I didn't read this wordsalad. Come back when you grow up

>>942486659
>Trump is literally threatening judges who disagree with him

Wow, nice citation. Surely you will deliver an actual quote.

>>942486660
No it doesn't. Communism would manage resources across the board as needed, instead of being sold to the highest bidder
You're either trolling or stupid

>>942486042
What the hell are you trying to tell me? That North Korea is communist because you said so? Even though it doesn't meet the defining criteria for communism?

>>942486745
Suck Trump's cock harder loser

>>942486744
>grow up
Fuck you and your stupid retarded log speak fat ass

>>942486792
Meds now E

>>942486605
banana republics are perfect example of what ancapism is: mafias driven slavery

>>942486721
>>942486748
People aren’t equal, they’re all different and have different wants and needs. Communism famously failed at the key task of distributing goods and services. In these respects at least, capitalism is superior.

>>942486753
i'm saying that they're not socialist despite claiming to be

>>942486748
Central planning of communism has been one of its greatest downfalls. You have a few elite party members looking at a spreadsheet with no experience in the industry making all the decisions for that industry. It is just some fucking retarded Dunning Kruger intellectual fucking shit up, like pretty much all academic communists.

>>942486837
not arachno-crapitalism. It ain't a shitty cyberpunk plot or Reddit ragebait. It's the USA IRL

>>942486830
Fucking take your goddamn fucking buzzwords and shove it up your fucking ass loser
How many fucking times does someone have to tell you that?
You suck
You're not clever
And you are no way a fucking meme here
No goddamn fucking way fat ass

>>942486866
Failure to competently allocate resources was the central economic failure of communism.

>>942486837
They became banana republics because of the United States though

>>942486065
>>Common ownership of property
>>Distribution of property according to “need”
With this definition, communism is no different from socialism.

>>942486884
Uh oh! Poopy

>>942486522
Well, you've sold me! Which 'communist' utopia do you recommend I move to?

New York?

>>942486910
What’s the difference between communism and socialism?

>>942486866
> Dunning Kruger
You mean like Trump?

>>942486931
Communism has never been tried. and you should probably move to even farther right wing country than what your side is trying to turn ours into

>>942486769
>Trump is obviously doing this thing!
>The evidence is overwhelming!
Cool, show me
>Reeeeeee, FUCK YOU trumpshit magat NAZI!

>>942486975
> Trump's cock tastes terrific
> but not as good as Putin's

>>942486975
Oh "Trump shit" definitely upsets you
You act just like him when somebody's called one

>>942486098
But that's what every democracy does. Unless you have a basement full of firearms, because MY FREEDOM, to protect yourself from an evil government (but it's always the others who are paranoid).

>>942487033
> an evil government
Funny how you haven't tried to overthrow Trump.

>>942486876
>>942486906
because making deals with mafias makes a good profit

Fuck off. Even Marx was extremely pro gun.

>>942486680
Yes, that much is clear. But as a dictatorship, NK can be further specified. It is a socialist-influenced dictatorship with an emerging hereditary monarchy.

>>942487065
Because overthrowing the man who sends billions to Israel would be antisemitic

>>942487270
No it can't Trump shit. And your hero worships dictators like Kim Jong-un

>>942487393
You are antisemitic. Never mind Israel

>>942487393
>the man
The only thing Republicans and Democrats agree on is infinite money for Israel. Jews own both parties.

This is demonstrated time and time again. We had a government shutdown a few years ago and during that shutdown Congress had a special vote to send another billion dollar to Israel while the government shut down. Because kikes needed their money now!

The vote was very similar to this one with only a handful of representatives saying no and over 90% saying yes.

>>942487483
I'm proud to be antisemitic. The jew needs to be erased from the face of the earth.

>>942487498
This one was 420 yes to 9 no, while the government was shutting down no less.

The only thing Republicans and Democrats agree on is that our tax money belongs to Jews.

>>942486862
NK is essentially a socialist state, but it has been shaped by a number of other influences. All the shit that NK is notorious for, i.e., the oppression of the population, the introduction of a caste system, the internment of a significant part of the population, the economic focus on military buildup, including nuclear weapons, to the detriment of the starving population, and even the pandering to Trump, attracts foreign attention, but that does not change the core of its socialist structure.

>>942487393
Trump is a Jewish pawn
Biden was a Jewish pawn
Vance is and will be a Jewish pawn
Whoever the next Democrat candidate is and will be a Jewish pawn.

>>942475012 (OP)
>Governments are naturally incompetent and corrupt
>The current status quo allows for privately owned businesses, and for the somewhat free market to somewhat influence the economy
>The typical worker is naturally a midwit at best
>A communist revolution would, at least in theory, put the workers in charge of the government, with power over the economy, markets, and privately owned businesses
>That's not to mention the violence required for a revolution
If you had a good plan, you would write it out in great detail, prove it mathematically, and people would vote for you

>>942488203
The average person is a retard and will vote for free shit. Just look at the mayor election in New York City
>Free shit!
>How are we going to pay for it?
>Don't worry about it!
>Vote for me!
This is why communism in various forms will always be a threat. It is always rebranding and morphing but the same bullshit in the end.

>>942475012 (OP)
Because it has murdered over 200 million people...Purposely!

>>942488460
I'm guessing that billion dollar companies like Amazon will pay in taxes for the right to operate in NYC.

>>942488535
that's capitalism ever month or so

>>942482360
And someone who, in her twilight years, took social security and medicare, a prime example of socialism amirite?

Every time someone does the capitalism vs communism debate, they look like retards to me:

>I don't want to be robbed by dumb niggers who should get their own job.
>I should be robbed by rich niggers who have enough money and resources to game the system!

Fucking dumbass incels.

>>942489546
the best prison is the one that offers the illusion of freedom
to any non believers: think how easy it is for you to move up the hierarchy

>>942486168
No, like the democrats did during the Biden admin.

>>942489546
>Communism is when capitalist democratic countries have programs help their elderly citizens.
You're a moron.

I guess because America has been brainwashed to accept homelessness, poverty, low education standards and inflated medical bills to benefit a small cadre of billionaires