what do people who live with their parents at age 30 do with their life? Do they have a 401k or save or anything?

>>22866072 (OP)
Not 30 but I guess we are all just waiting to die. Why save when you live with mommy and daddy? Now I am not sure what I will do when they are gone but whatever.

>>22866073
but whats your mental thought process that puts you in a position where you are okay with just "waiting to die"?

>>22866072 (OP)
probably wake up, watch TV, go to sleep
unless they have some social place in teh world
old men do the same but no one stops them
it's scary how easy it is to fall into that routine when there's no resistance, just blinking & watching 12 hours disappear

i wonder if it's much different for the hikkikomori in japan, since they tend to live in their own apartment
i wonder if that makes it easier or harder to waste your life
my guess is harder, since you have more time to think & possibly do impulsive shit

>>22866076
>but whats your mental thought process that puts you in a position where you are okay with just "waiting to die"?
learned helplessness is scary and powerful

>>22866076
Because it seems too late to try and if we tried whatever came out of it probably will fall far from our expectations. There is a certain rhythm to life and if you fall off the wagon it is hard to get the will to go back.

This world is temporal anyway.

>>22866078
>unless they have some social place in teh world
Most of us don't nowadays the only people I talk to online? What is the alternative go to college and be around a bunch of insufferable normals who tread you like filth for no good reason? Get a job to be humiliated by some scumbag employer?

>>22866082
>There is a certain rhythm to life and if you fall off the wagon it is hard to get the will to go back.
that is very true
that "rhythm" is the rhythm of life/survival/needs/desperation which all animals live by
if your body thinks it's escaped that cycle, it interprets this as a good thing
the rats in the rat utopia experiment went insane when in a small space with all their food/water needs provided, because there was no rhythm or reason to do anything

>>22866081
>learned helplessness is scary and powerful
Lmao another problem. I literally have no skills or talents; so why go out there and make a fool of myself?

>>22866084
>What is the alternative go to college and be around a bunch of insufferable normals who tread you like filth for no good reason? Get a job to be humiliated by some scumbag employer?
YEAH EXACTLY MAN THOSE ARE HTE ONLY TWO OPTIONS
ALSO, NO ONE EVER BUILDS LASTING BONDS DURING THEIR CHILDHOOD OR TEENAGE YEARS
i understand it's difficult, possibly not worth it, to find a social place in the world from this position, but please try to say what you actually mean

>>22866082
>Because it seems too late to try
then you're in an infinite loop where you are digging yourself into a deeper and deeper hole and you are watching yourself sink and have the mindset that "this is fine"
>Most of us don't nowadays
i dont have a social life
>What is the alternative
Join the military to get into a trade (national guard is nice) and perhaps free college
if you have nothing to live for then you have nothing to lose
>I literally have no skills or talents
military

>>22866088
>YEAH EXACTLY MAN THOSE ARE HTE ONLY TWO OPTIONS
The world is so overtly complex and saturated with people true freedom in it is impossible.
>ALSO, NO ONE EVER BUILDS LASTING BONDS DURING THEIR CHILDHOOD OR TEENAGE YEARS
Yep; fiction psyops you into thinking authentic friendships are common and normal but nope. All my friends are gone.
>but please try to say what you actually mean
I did and I got kicked out of places lmao. But you aren't wrong, at least not ideally.

sorry, i get pissed because people might read your post and decide to give up
>>22866087
it is possible to find a mentor, or someone who gives enough of a shit to actually teach you things
but yeah, if you can't find a mentor, hopefully you can atleast be around understanding people who don't make you feel like a fool
there's a lot of nice people, actually
i do a lot of awkward shit in stores and city buildings and stuff, but people don't fuck with me over it.
i'm sure alot of them are just being patient, but that's better than a highschool type situation where everyone will be an asshole for no reason.

>>22866089
>and have the mindset that "this is fine"
you don't get it man
the whole point of learned helplessness is that it transcends your thoughts
it's a force, the same way pain is a psychological force

>>22866092
>The world is so overtly complex and saturated with people true freedom in it is impossible
well yeah, that's KINDA true, but the alternative would be omnipotence in your own little world
the uncertainty and complexity is a good thing, it means you get re-rolls and you can keep retrying
it means wonderful surprises
it means tyranny is more difficult

>>22866089
>"this is fine"
We know it isn't; but everything else seems so hard
>trade
Those require schooling; and some of us are just sick of school and also just not very good at learning things.
>military
That requires some skills; I guarantee I would fuck something up or get kicked out. Also my family would probably deem me too psychotic for such a profession.

>>22866093
>it is possible to find a mentor, or someone who gives enough of a shit to actually teach you things
I have wished for such a thing
>understanding people who don't make you feel like a fool
there's a lot of nice people, actually
This is scarcely the case. Especially with people in my generation.
>it's a force, the same way pain is a psychological force
You make a good point I never thought about it this way. Perhaps I am not lazy and it really is an invisible prison I can't break out of.
>the alternative would be omnipotence in your own little world
I would take that in a heartbeat

We are living under tyranny in more ways than one and it begins when we are infants

>>22866095
>learned helplessness
can literally be overcome by the military
you dont have to worry about shit because they tell you exactly what to do and teach you how
>>22866099
>>trade
>Those require schooling
free with the military
>>military
>That requires some skills
it doesnt. it absolutely doesnt. if you are fat and cant run they make you jog until you arent fat and can run. It is a system designed to take the most retarded and useless people and mold them into something
>I guarantee I would fuck something up or get kicked out
that only happens if you break rules or kill someone. if you do what your told its impossible to get kicked out

>>22866103
>You make a good point I never thought about it this way. Perhaps I am not lazy and it really is an invisible prison I can't break out of.
nah
the point is you can't break out of it with a mindset or with your thoughts
there's plenty of ways to break out of it
OP suggested trades or the military, but the idea is to put yourself in a different position without overthinking it too much

>>22866104
>can literally be overcome by the military
>you dont have to worry about shit because they tell you exactly what to do and teach you how
true..

>>22866072 (OP)
>Want to live on my own
>Can't because migrants shot all prices up and they get free shit
>Can't complain about it or else I'm racist and I lose all of my support group
>Also running out of money now and parents refuse to help because they think I'm just a lazy fuck when a migrant fresh off the boat can get work and own a house
I'm fucked.

>>22866411
>when a migrant fresh off the boat can get work and own a house
what would you happen if you went the route of the migrant without moving. Just go to your government and say "im fresh off the boat i need help" and say you dont have an id and give the a fake name. Exactly what would happen?

>>22866411
>>22866420
ehehehe

dubs checked, 420 checked

Just get a McJob and don't take it seriously. Goof off and make friends with your coworkers.
>creates a social group to hang out with
>fills your resume so you don't look unemployable when you're older
>earns money for a car to get out of the house and order food with frens
Hanging out with frens is the best motivator in my experience. Once you get a social circle going you'll naturally want to grow your capabilities by moving up to a trade or whatever
t. couldn't do this in my youth because of mental illness, now 40 and healed up but trying to play catch up in life with empty resume and tiny friend group I can't afford to hang out with

When their parents were 30 they could buy a house with 2 years of work.

Being in your 30's in 2025 literally means you have to accept you'll only ever own what you inherit.

Love your parents if they let you stay with them and do something for them to show you appreciate them.

>>22866453
>Love your parents
fuck no. I won't hate them either but I just can't at this point with all the shit they put me through.

>>22866451
good luck <3

>>22866453
>>22866453
>When their parents were 30 they could buy a house with 2 years of work.
you can get a mortgage
>you have to accept you'll only ever own what you inherit.
but if you inherit a house you inherit a house. if you inherit stocks or the primary beneficiary of life insurance you get that...
>Love your parents if they let you stay with them and do something for them to show you appreciate them.
parents should be stricter nowadays. Parents worked for the good lives that they have and worked for their retirement, why should they let someone be a leech and drain what they earned?

>>22866457
Seriously time heals all. I went through a phase of absolutely despising my parents (was chemically given erectile dysfunction and my parents were only concerned with getting me on antipsychotics that I didn't need).

You can't choose your parents but they are people who make mistakes and also do some good. Try and stay civil with them even if you hate them right now.

>you can get a mortgage
With what capital?

>but if you inherit a house you inherit a house. if you inherit stocks or the primary beneficiary of life insurance you get that...
But you lose both parents.

>parents should be stricter nowadays. Parents worked for the good lives that they have and worked for their retirement, why should they let someone be a leech and drain what they earned?
The outcome of their children is 99% their own influence. Most 30 year olds who live with their parents never got a chance to live any other life and despite your predisposition of calling them leeches, parents generally love their kids and only want the best for them, even if the best they can provide for them means letting a son or daughter live with them.

>>22866457
this >>22866469
>You can't choose your parents but they are people who make mistakes and also do some good. Try and stay civil with them even if you hate them right now.

try not to fight over petty things which will resolve themselves once you're living on your own
it's much easier to be on good terms with your parents when they're at arms length & you have breathing room

>>22866469
Like I said, I don't hate them. But I am also just so emotionally exhausted with everything right now.

>>22866474
understandable

>>22866459
Thanks

>>22866471
very true, getting your first place even if it's government assisted housing is a place to start and you can always come and visit in your own time.

>>22866474
Very understandable. Life can be emotionally draining. Try not to take it out on your parents they only want the best for you!

>>22866469
you didnt give me a (You) but i noticed anyway
>>you can get a mortgage
>With what capital?
from wages/salary
>>but if you inherit a house you inherit a house. if you inherit stocks or the primary beneficiary of life insurance you get that...
>But you lose both parents.
you're evading my point
>>parents should be stricter nowadays. Parents worked for the good lives that they have and worked for their retirement, why should they let someone be a leech and drain what they earned?
>The outcome of their children is 99% their own influence.
i agree
>Most 30 year olds who live with their parents never got a chance to live any other life
i disagree you live the life you work to make
>parents generally love their kids and only want the best for them, even if the best they can provide for them means letting a son or daughter live with them.
whilst that might be what the parents think is 'the best' they have to have solid ground on the idea of their children leaving the nest, if they dont then their children are allowed to leech

>>22866089
If only the military was the mannerbund pilled

>>22866485
>allowed to leech
You're just set on breaking family bonds and vilifying the neuclear family. Respectfully, go shill somewhere else. Family love eachother so living with your parents is never "leeching" it's profiting from having a strong family unit.

>>22866492
Too be honest the "nuclear family" is a modern construct, but not a bad one. A major disadvantage is the competition that it inspires in it's ranks rather than a base of operations.

>>22866488
>mannerbund pilled
going off the google translation of "mannerbund" there is a system of brothers/sisters in arms and there is also the "battle buddy" system"
>>22866492
>You're just set on breaking family bonds
Family bond includes setting someone up towards a future that they want by themself on their own voailition. You are excusing bad behavior of both the parent and the child by saying "its just because they are closeeeeee" when it should be more more than that.

>>22866492
>Family love eachother so living with your parents is never "leeching" it's profiting from having a strong family unit.
meh
i think it SHOULD be a good thing in ideal circumstances, but in alot of cases it really does end up as a codependent thing where both parties are leeching off of each other

the key word in your post is "profiting", but the way a lot of families are, neither the parent nor the child profits in the long run

idk why it goes that way, or what the solution is, but i think it's more complicated than "kick them out/destroy the family" or "let them leech"

>>22866503
I mean't mannerbund in the sense of the image you posted, but yeah.

>>22866515
>I mean't mannerbund in the sense of the image you posted, but yeah.
oh lmao.
First guy i cuddled was a twink in an army barracks on a bunk bed. It wasnt even meant to be gay and it was pretty 'light' cuddling (i propped my back up using a plate carrier and he sat between my legs using my chest as a pillow) but i got an erection anyway

>>22866521
>(i propped my back up using a plate carrier and he sat between my legs using my chest as a pillow)
cute

>>22866524
>cute
it was the first time i had a guy that close to me and... i liked it
at that time i had only 1 prior questioning moment in my life but this very non-homosexual moment had a kind of domino effect that led me to homosexuality. You see, the guy i cuddled was fraternizing with a member of my squad and that squadmate made it known that such fraternization made him uncomfortable, so i offered cuddling as a jest and the twink accepted

no bitches to fuck where the FUCK do you go to find not ugly people. if not for fucks to give for friends im outta ideas

>>22866542
Lucky

rent is far and away my greatest cost. if i could live somewhere rent free i would have so much more money for spending on stupid shit

>>22866557
you could find roommates maybe

This was a geniunely good thread from OP

Bump

>>22866557
Find a place you wouldnt mind settling down in and look for 'multifamily' properties for sale. Think a house or any building that is sectioned off into at least two distinct and metered residencies. What you'd do is purchase the property and live in one of the residencies and a lot of the time, there already is an existing tenant living and paying to reside in the other residency.

I've seen many properties for sale where this is the case and the amount the existing tenants are paying is about the cost of monthly payments for a 20 or 30 year mortgage; the existing tenant just doesnt have the financial stability to purchase the property themself or desire to maintain it. So you are essentially becoming a landlord, moving into a property that you maintain like any other homeowner but living there is essentially free because you share the home you bought. And no, you dont actually share living space with the tenant, you have to walk outside to access the tenants part, everyone gets their own bathrooms and kitches and there is no way for them to enter your space without your key.

I've been looking into properties like this but i already have a house so it would be just to add to my financial portfolio and give me the income of 2+ tenants instead of 1 tenant with me living there and the rental income paying for the mortgage

>>22866411

I live alone in Canacuck, get on disability and apply for subsidized or public housing.

my rent is 390$ CAD a month for a regular $1650 a month apartment in a high rise.

I have $880 after 390 rent, 280 goes to my child support for 3 kids. im left with $600, only have to pay hydro, which is also has a big subsidy and I pay 0$ 8 months out the year.

I have internet, and a basic 30$ a month phone plan I float on my credit card.

I also work cash under the table jobs at 160$ a day for flooring, I work 2-5 days a week with the odd week off here and there helping a contractor (who picks me up and drops me off at my apartment and pays weekly cash)

I have 3000$ CAD in my fridge and my disability comes monday!

you have to act like a refugee my friend, im white BTW Canadian born

>>22867035
>get on disability and apply for subsidized or public housing.
I'm too white and everyone where I am really hates white people and even if I tried my parents would sabotage me because they don't think I deserve help because "others (blacks and featherheads) have it worse".

>>22867208

If you are 18, you do not require parents permission to be on disability. You can do it over the phone, I applied online and got approved without seeing a single person.

Its not race based, All you need is what's called a CAPS referral, which is a mental health assessment done over the phone.

call the CMHA, they can help you get a CAPS referral.

Dont even tell your parents, The Slips come direct deposit, its done all over the phone and mail. Just give anxiety or social phobia or anything.

You WILL receive FREE GIBBS

I am WHITE, Canadian born! I did it! worked for me! I live in southern ontario...

>>22867547
>Its not race based
>In Canada
I was fucked over multiple times for being white with it being stated so. It's always "its not happening but if it is then its a good thing!" with this fucked up country and people only admit to keeping whites out when pushed. Canadian law even says its ok to be racist against whites and everyone agrees with it. I think we are done here.

Also I did look up in trying to get welfare. They will just see I have a house to live in even though I pay rent and tell me to fuck off.

>>22867728

They wont, Ive been on OW (ontario works) many times while living at home before moving out

yea tim hortons and gas stations dont hire white people, dont apply at subway. apply for landscaping jobs

yes Canada is a anti-white liberal shithole

unless you want to illegally immigrate to the USA with me were stuck here trying to deal. Good luck I guess, but dont give up, atleast try

I am speaking from experience

>>22867547
>Just give anxiety or social phobia or anything.
>You WILL receive FREE GIBBS
what the fuck is the state doing supporting these people? that's my question
they ought to spend that money to make it easier for people to get an education

>>22867759

Believe me I agree, But if theyre handing out huge GIBBS to immigrants who panhandle and get 80k CAD a year and houses and jobs handed to them.

I am going to grab all my GIBBS when the ship is sinking, Its mostly for the subsidized rent $1650 a month down to $390, automatically deducted from my disability. this takes out the fear of being homeless since I live alone and don't have any parents I could live with

it Frees up my time, obviously im off 7 days a week, I then do cash under the table, not reported, with a contractor doing wood floors, usually 2-5 days a week for 320-800$ a week cash.

you have to be creative here the tax is 50% and housing and rent is overpriced and jobs are underpayed.