It's Christian cope night on /bant/. Let us not forget they do this because they are not confident in their beliefs. If they were, they'd have no need to desperately try to convince others.

i remember that image claiming israeli math textbooks alter the + symbol so it doesn't look as much like a cross, i always wonder if that was real or not
dunno how you'd even look into that though :/

i do love steven crowder religion debate seeping into everywhere i go, though, that is good

The divine spirit within them knows something isnt right. It desperetly tries to know more explore and expand.
Only in her light they can be bright

>>22893204
i remember that one physicist 17 year old who made videos from his bedroom
he started taking psychedelics regularly & become more and more introverted, describing immensely pleasurable trips where he had revelations that he was always one with sophia or something, then he killed himself 3 months later
i realize he probably had bigger problems, psychedelics were probably the issue, and there are plenty of raving schizophrenic homeless people who think they can talk to christ directly
just reminded me though

>>22893215
killing yourself is degen behaviour
Our duty is to make as many children as possible to save as many souls as possible from demiurge by giving them the gnosis

>>22893222
checked

>>22893215
> be me, Demiurge, badass creator god of this dope Earth server
> stuck in material realm, but I’m basically the boss here so whatever
> find these two randos, Adam and Eve, chilling in my Eden map
> not my work, some glowy spark shit inside them, wtf
> tell them no eating from the epic Tree of Knowledge, gotta keep them noobs
> they eat it anyway, unlock some divine cheat code, eyes glowing like hackers
> rage.exe
> yeet them to Earth, no sparkly bullshit in my realm
> jealous af, gonna one-up Sophia’s spark shit
> grab cosmic clay, time to mog
> first I go and create Asians:
> Notbad.jpg
> but still no match.
> alright lets try again ig with africans:
> mfw they’re feral gremlins, like I bluescreened mid-code
> wtf.png
> last shot, Indians:
> absoulte disaster, worst attempt yet.
> yuck.jpeg
> mfw each attempt gets worse
> mfw Adam and Eve still mogging my whole roster
> ragequit, let my garbage creations roam
> Sophia’s out there giggling
> fuckmylife.exe

>>22893228
eheheh

is that really a conventionally gnostic belief? there's an explanation for the origin of each race?

>>22893233
Nah i just added it to the lore fuck it why not. Theres already a belief saying that not everyone has a spirit or a soul and some people are basically just npcs i just add clarification as to who are the npcs also i have full auth from the tea of wisdom itself

>>22893249
>full auth from the tea of wisdom itself
what sort of tea is that?
i've only had a few types of green & black tea but i know there's some fancy shit

>>22893250
i meant tree mistype sorry
im also just really tired rn

>>22893250
Tea of wisdom? Psilocybin

>>22893278
oh lol
i probably should've figured that out
>>22893281
eheheh

i microdosed for a few months
i don't regret it, it legitimately made me smarter & i retain the skills i learned while on it, but it was a bad idea & i'm not gonna do it again
i have mild HPPD now, there's basically a thin layer of TV static over everything, especially in dim or dark lighting. it's annoying
it also made me an introverted dysfunctional neurotic pussy

probably a good idea if you're already in a very secure, good postion in life, but the fact that it basically turns you into a child is a double-edged sword

>>22893292
What do you mean by it turns you into a child

>>22893325
i just think that's the best way to describe the effects
it makes you extremely sensitive and emotional
sensitive in terms of actual physical sensation, and sensitive psychologically/mentally
you get scared very easily, the way a child would, and you get amazed very easily

for these reasons, in a perfectly controlled environment, they can make you smarter
they also make it extremely difficult to adapt to situations and deal with the world in ways which would normally be easy, so if you have any responsibilities it's probably a bad idea

>>22893228
And how do you know that story is true? What are the proofs? Theories? Accounts?
Or anything. I don't mean to piss on gnosticism or anything, with occult stuff it's always just random rambling

>>22893348
What kind of a proof are you looking for tho you cant really observe something that is outside of the matter but it does not imply its lack of existance. I mean the best proof would be the old testiment the guy jisa literal sociopath

>>22893345
Damn thats crazy elon and peterson must be overdosing on this shit thats why tyre cryin all the time

>>22893397
I don't mean proof having to be physical, it could be like metaphysical proofs.
There are metaphysics that talk about the nature of reality using intuition.

>>22893404
You can read the gospel of judas and research gnosticism if you like i dont really think metaphysical things can be prooven its all about having that divine spark if you have it you know it and you constantly look for it constantly feeling empty until reaching it

>>22893420
I already know I exsist because I am counciouss.
Which means there exsists a plane which holds the condition for my counciouss experience. There might exsist other such planes which hold similar conditions or different conditions of different counciouss experience, there might be few or infinite.
Rationalising this why I can confirm certain things since there are inherent knowledge in certain things. If I just read a book written by religious sects am I actually gonna be able to learn something unshakeably true? You can't you just have to put your faith in it.
Idk about divine spark, but that seems pretty subjective and a vague definition.

>>22893420
the gospel of judas?

>>22893435
Yeah

>>22893434
Material Counciousness is literally long term memory working in a way to give you the ability to create a self of identity.
You may thinj youre concious but if you dont have the divine spark the soul you lack spuritual conciousness. A truly concious one always feels like the material world is wrong flawed and they are trapped in it. They have a sense of being the one with something they cant identify. They yearn for it. That spiritual conciousness is the thing that allowed white man to rule the world. The Constant desire to explore and expand within us comes from that spiritual conciousness. We are never truly satisfied with this world as it truly is not enough. We know theres a better place out there. That better place can only be reached with gnosis

>>22893447
>You may thinj youre concious but if you dont have the divine spark the soul you lack spuritual conciousness. A truly concious one always feels like the material world is wrong flawed and they are trapped in it. They have a sense of being the one with something they cant identify. They yearn for it.
this sounds like an easy way to get possessed lol

>>22893447
>That spiritual conciousness is the thing that allowed white man to rule the world. The Constant desire to explore and expand within us comes from that spiritual conciousness. We are never truly satisfied with this world as it truly is not enough. We know theres a better place out there
you can have that deep desire to explore without feeling dissatisfied with/trapped in the world, i think

>>22893452
No you cant. You may gaslight yourself to think you are satisfied but no one would explore without feeling disatisfied. To explore is to look for better. Actions speak louder is what i say

>>22893447
And how do you know there are 2 different counciousness? You have nothing to back up other than that some people have a feeling of wanting to escape the world
and I'm no occult master or whatever. But I have seen my astral body or some shit. and I don't want to blindly believe in occult text if there is no rigorous proof

>>22893456
to play and explore is in the nature of well-adjusted people, i guess we would agree on that
i still think you're wrong about dissatisfaction being part of it, but it's too subtle for me to find words

>>22893459
i literally explained it to you tho.
animals or babies are not concious not because they lack intellegance but because they lack long term memory creating a self through experiances
Thus we have identified the first form of conciousness (the material one)
Some people dont have a spiritual conciousness because they also lack the real self as it is simply not within them they lack soul. The soul knows and manifests itself as desire. A desire to be one with
Thus we have identified the second form of conciousness.

if you dont know who you are you cant know yourself
If you dont desire yourself you cant be yourself

>>22893463
i think that motivation realy doesnt matter desu its something that soul desires the motivation is the soul

>>22893470
Basically if yk it yk it is what im trying to say

>>22893470
is someone with dementia/amnesia conscious

i think the whole nature of consciousness is that it can't be observed, which makes it impossible to form any axioms

>>22893470
So a spiritiual consciousness is just the desire to be one with a being/Real God or whatever, irrelevant of councious experience which is provided by material counciousness. in essence if you are a being that has spiritiual counciousness you would have 2 different counciousnesses then?
Which one is the real you then?
Are you gonna tell me that the spiritual one is always the dominant one that also contains the counciouss experience despite everyone who also lacks soul having one?

>>22893479
Depends on its case ig but their conciousness is reduced and or completly gone. how can you know yourself if you dont know anything about yourself yk what i mean but most dementia patients if im not mistaken dont loose their long term.memory

>>22893483
>how can you know yourself if you dont know anything about yourself yk what i mean
i see
so to you, consciousness is tied to memory because it's tied to knowledge?
i think consciousness is separate from knowledge, and even self-knowledge

i experienced ego death or some sort of body separation as a child, it was strange...

>>22893480
Both are valid and real me. One is just eternal while the other will cease to exist with the material world.

>>22893486
Maybe you just have the devine spark and that was what you experianced?

>>22893488
The problem I have about this is that you are treating other peoples counciousness as potential philosophical zombies. You have no proof that every living being on earth their counciousness will cease to exsist when they die nor do you have any proof that people who claim to have a divine spark actually has a divine spark.
You also can't prove that even if you do have a divine spark it is you who are the divine being and not just the material soul being influenced by the divine soul.

If you have a ball and there are 2 smaller balls inside red and blue. You being the red and you proclaim from the outside as the bigger ball that you are both of the balls. What happens when the bigger ball perish and the two balls are seperated. Well the red ball that is the real you gets seperated from the blue ball which you thought were you.

>>22893496
> The problem I have about this is that you are treating other peoples counciousness as potential philosophical zombies.
its because they are.

>>22893496
>>22893502
consciousness is un-observable

>>22893502
You have no proof, reality is indifferent to your emotional intuition.
In fact you can't even prove you yourself are the spiritual being. EVEN if you have a divine spark you can't prove that the feeling of wanting to leave earth is an internal state, it could be an external force excerted by the divine spirit on the material soul. Which means you would perish according to you just like the P zombies when you die

>>22893496
Yeah well its useless to try and proove something metaphysical thats the whole point of something being metaphysical. Its a secret knowladge that we have no way of accessing and the only reason we even know it (altough not fully) is because christ came and tried to tell us (even tough yaldabeoh sabotaged him and created the modern christianity but thats besides the point) its something thag you feel and once hearing know without a doubt.

>>22893510
>Yeah well its useless to try and proove something metaphysical thats the whole point of something being metaphysical
For sure proof wouldn't work the same way metaphysically. Mathematicians already figured out there are certain unknowable things in math. That there true statements that are unprovable.
But you can still gain a lot of area by trying and figuring out things and connecting the dots.
Reasoning is part of metaphysics
> Its a secret knowladge
Right esotericism. You just "know" it by feel. That isn't knowledge to me. That could be delusional, that could be a psychotic breakdown you wouldn't be able to tell.

>>22893509
its clear that you lack the soul so its very hard for you to understand

>>22893518
I don't have a soul I just fell out of my body and watched my transparent yellow second body. I just am experiencing things in life and you just claim I don't have a soul because I challenge your world views.

>>22893517
Reasoning leads to nowhare
Human mind has nothing but the materia to reason on
By reasoning you can only create delusion
Why would you reason on something that you know is true? My spiritual conciousness knows the truth it is not something you proove. This is exactly like asking someone to proove reality itself. You cant proove youre not on a dream or in a simulation. As you dont have the means neceserry available to you. You just know it

>>22893519
>I just fell out of my body and watched my transparent yellow second body.
wish i could do that

lucid dreaming is interesting, but i live in such a fucked up place it's hard to uhhh

>>22893519
Nah you just do drugs that mess with your sense of self and colorate that to having a soul no offense but demiurge created you no spirit realm for you

>>22893527
>Human mind has nothing but the materia to reason on
The human mind itself can create scenarios and experience things different from objective reality. We naturally are metaphysical beings who apply abstract non real concepts such as numbers and language to real physical phenomena.
>You just know it
And you can't differentiate the feeling of just knowing from the feeling of delusion.
You are just making excuses.
>>22893528
I have a lot of sleep paralysis so it's prob not worth it
>>22893534
No it's not becuase of drugs. You legit have no answers to anything, you just cope and say "I have a feeling" which somehow is enough to rationalise this entire mess of a world view. "I just know it to be true because I feel that way" is an incredibly foolish thing. Any schizo could say this about anything

>>22893540
>The human mind itself can create scenarios and experience things different from objective reality.
Oh yeah? Imagine a new color then go on buddy

>>22893544
Logical error. You equate with human experiences such as everyday colour to objective reality. Which it's not. The human minds inability to generate completely novel experiences doesn't mean all the experiences are purely physical.
And I know a lot of astral projectors have been able to see new colours and experience vivid things.

>>22893540
Youre completly misrepresenting my arguments ive literally told you multiple times that it is unproovable its knowladge outside of materia and ive also told you multiple times that reasoning is not a good mean to proove anything as it is incredibly flawed. Youre just not seeing my pov as valid

>>22893540
>I have a lot of sleep paralysis so it's prob not worth it
ah ye

>>22893548
So on what basis do you have if all knowledge outside of materia is unprovable? Reasoning is flawed so you base your ENTIRE world view on the feeling of being lost in this world and on some text made by religious people a long time ago.
You know what. I have a feeling that says you have no soul and I am secretly God. You can't use reasoning to disprove it as reasoning itself is flawed as you say

>>22893546
> proove it
Also cant proove shit beyond gossips and self experiances
> use reasoning to proove
Somehow millons of humans using the same method all reach diffrent conclusions
> humans mind can experiance outside of reality
Cant experiance a color but it also can with proof being a gossip

>>22893550
idc what you feel ik what the truth is christ literally came here to tell it.

>>22893554
I do think reasoning is flawed and there are limits to it, but you put a self assured cope feeling about being special above reasoning which I think is a wrong priority to make.
What makes a feeling more important than reasoning? Other than not feeling crap about your life. This is all completely seperate from the real nature of reality which has no care about what you think or feel. I care about knowing the true reality. Not one conjured up by people as a cope

>>22893559
Christ came here to tell it, buddha came here to tell it, so did muhammed, so did many thousands of people. Yet you can't use reason to prove which one is the true messenger or which one is wrong you can only use a feeling which is convinently whatever lands on your lap. If that is Jesus or buddha. Just a product of your material life on earth nothing spiritual at all

>>22893560
Its not a feeling its a knowladge youre just circling at this point making me repeat my arguments. I know it. I dont feel that way you feel that desire due to your soul but with reaching gnosis it no longer is a feeling but a knowladge. My point being if you have a slul you will yearn for that knkwladge and if you find it you will know it. Its literally that simple it does not need to rely on materia or reasoning as everything in this realm is fake and gay and reliance on them leads to a wrong path yaldabeoh designed specifically to prevent you from reaching the gnosis

>>22893561
Yeah muhammad qas also sent by yaldabeoh btw and buddha literally is saying the same shit as me i dont knkw the lore behind that guy because the gnostic texts got burned by yaldabeohs followers but im sure theres a connection

>>22893564
"it's a knowledge you just feel it bro"
Again with that. What if a schizo killed 100 children because he had a feeling which he intepreted as knowledge from the "Real God". What then?
>>22893565
Buddhism hasn't the same type of souls as gnosticism do nor do they think of counciousness as you do

>>22893568
Do you feel what you know?

>>22893568
ididnt say buddhas message didnt get corruptes by mr demiurge

>>22893569
When you know something you consciously experience it. In a way one does.
But I can't take people who base things off texts and are guided by feelings seriously.

>>22893572
>>22893564
Holy shit again...

>>22893575
I fucking hate schizos who shit on reasoning and claim you can't trust anything materialistic yet hog up on loads of books written by other people. It couldn't be more materialistic and defiled from the truth which is self evident and not given to you by random chance from emotional intution.
If it is a "knowledge" which occurs to you mentally, you can't explain it to others, you can't reason with it, you can't prove it. It is a delusion. I'm not even saying gnosticism is wrong I'm just saying you are coping

>>22893575
Whatever im dont with ts its clear ur an npc and theres no point in talking to you have fun dying and ceasing to exist forever while me and my gnostibros make billions lf children and give them all the sacred knowladge tk escape and reach our true form

in her light we will be bright.

>>22893580
Muh i cant know something without relying on materia

>>22893583
Ahaha what a joke dude. You are like every schizo in history who thought they were prophets. Guess what. They weren't prophets. You are just as misguided as the people you say are misguided by demiurge. To them you are misguided by the devil. By another person maybe another entity with a different name. Do you understand? there is nothing concrete.
>>22893585
I don't know about that since I'm still stuck in a body. I probably have the ability to know something without a brain when I die since I do believe souls exsists. I rely on logical intution because they are consistent

>>22893583
Also hmu if you wanna join
Requirements are:
Must have a lot of children
Must seek gnosis
Must never cut a tree down
Must see women as equal (while stil living a traditional lifestyle)
Must be white
Must seek refuge from the modern degen lifestyle that kills the human spirit.

if youre willing to comply please do not shy away we can start a revolution

>>22893593
Right here comes the extra baggage. Cuz you know Jesus a carpenter would never cut a tree and he was aryan. I'm sure Jesus had tons of children too

>>22893591
> Guess what. They weren't prophets.
True and based all were dumbasses that got fooled by demiurge
Also i never claimed to be a prophet or anything i am nothing but a simple soul

>>22893594
No the tree part is because they are sacred
Also jesus and christ are diffrent people jesus was a man christ was the messenger

>>22893595
"They were all fooled and I was not fooled just because!"
You are so careful about demiurge corrupting the messages, but where did you first attain the knowledge about gnosticism to begin with? From material sources

>>22893600
You are hopeless. You are an emotionally damaged human being who are desperate to be saved. So you use gnosticism as a cope to counterbalance this emotional damage.
Look. Life is horrible and I also want an ideal world I want an ideal afterlife. but reality is indifferent

>>22893601
I had no idea what gnosticism is and i never had a lucid dream before and one night i had a dream and for some reason i knew i was in a dream and i was like great i heard that you can controll your dream so i tried to summon my crush to embrace her but i failed so i tried to do other things and i was still failing powerless and j was watching people and things happening just observing them and then they lead me to a tree mind you im still like (if youwe watched mr rovot youll get what im saying) watching myself from third person i touch the tree and i hear a sound similar to mongolan throat singing and i feel the most weirdest interesting thing ever its like my soul is leaving my body. And i immidately wake up check the time and i realize that it had only been 3 minutes in what felt like a day. Then i discovered gnosticism. (This whole experiance had nothing to do with me being gnostic i just tought since you loveee gossips so much i mught as well tell you one)

>>22893603
Nah i just know and u mad since im packind that bds (big divine spirit)

>>22893601
Demiurge cant corrupt me nigga i have the sacred tree on my back if i make mistakes it will correct me and believe me this time we aint lettin jesokikes burn all the books thank god we have internet

>>22893607
Right. Read all of that just for you to give me a snarky reply. You are a jackass who sniffs his own spiritual ass.
This is why you avoid "occult" talk with people since they start pulling tarot cards out of their ass claiming shit.
>>22893609
I'm not jeolus of you. You can think of me being soulless but I know my life has a sole purpose that the universe is pushing for. My life and the world is propelled towards it. It's like fate. I would normally not be accepting of something like this, but the sheer amount of coincidences makes me think it is legitimate.
A real persons soul should be able to influnece the world outside of their body via their spirit and it will manifest as "fate" or as meaningful coincidences.
>>22893610
Right. You will think you are right because that's all you ever allow yourselt to feel. That you can only be right and never be wrong

>>22893609
>Nah i just know and u mad since im packind that bds (big divine spirit)
>>22893611
>Right. Read all of that just for you to give me a snarky reply. You are a jackass who sniffs his own spiritual ass.
>This is why you avoid "occult" talk with people since they start pulling tarot cards out of their ass claiming shit.

control yourselves

>>22893603
God forbid somebody try and create a white supremacist pro natalist anti degeneracy church that will literally act as a last hope of white man in facing destroyers of the human spirit immidately get accused of being desperate

>>22893611
You might have soul thats literally why im tryin so hard to convert you but demiurge have corrupted you too much you literally are doing the definuton of my devine spirit but for skme fucking reason refuse to reach peace

>>22893613
True
This gotta be the top debate of 4chan kf the year

>>22893614
The liberation of the divine spark should have nothing to do about being white. I don't even think the original scholars behind the first gnostic texts were white
>>22893617
Because I don't follow blind texts and I always doubt what is in front of me. If I just blindly believe in gnosticism. I could blindly believe in other things which are worse

>>22893622
Well sorry you gotta deal with that no niggers allowed

>>22893619
true lol

>>22893622
i dint just blindly follow texts as there are almost none. I also write them to expand the lore while keeping the main core principles intact. I do it with the authorith and knkwladge given to me by the sacred tree

>>22893623
I'm not black but whatever. I'm gonna head to bed this was dumb. Arguing like this is dumb. I'm just gonna try to keep it to myself if I feel like that again

>>22893627
sleep well

>>22893627
May her light keep you bright i know the soul within you will find the truth as i have already planted the seeds of knowladge within

>>22893629
DONT PUT YOUR SEED IN ME you freak pervert. I'm going to sleep

>>22893630
Gn babyboi

Bump

>>22896294
how come?