Thread 22987555

Earlier today itch.io started delisting and deleting "inappropriate" content.
So far this seems to be hitting mostly /v/idya, but some ttrpgs also publish there so if that's a thing you care about make a backup while you still can.
(Maleghast and few versions of Mork Borg are still up)

>>22987555 (OP)
Payment processors have been exerting authority over online platforms like this since early last week. Your itch TTRPGs should be fine unless the art contains excessive nudity or pornographic content. It's the same reason Steam started de-listing porn games, despite that one feminist group taking credit for it.

What I've seen is that it's mostly shadowbanning so far, and it seems to be beause Visa and Mastercard decided to suspend use until they feel the site is clean enough.

>>22987556
If it makes you feel better right wing advocacy groups are also taking credit
https://www.gamedeveloper.com/business/opinion-illuminating-the-shadowy-group-celebrating-valve-s-latest-censorship-drive

the sites gonna fucking die.

Thanks Australians

>>22987556
That group is not feminist. It's a fundy Christianity.

>>22987561
I was talking about these harpies.
>>22987558 is the first I've heard of God botherers taking credit.
Clulture war bullshit aside, it seems like all the payment processors decided that the implementation of the UK Online Safety Act 2023 gives them authority to put the squeeze on everyone else.

>>22987562
>I was talking about these harpies.
yeah collective shout isn't really all that feminist

>>22987556
>>22987558
I don't care what excuse they're using, they're still censors and they should burn in hell. They have no right to control what other people are allowed to see.

>>22987562
Reminder that they actively defended pedophiles

Fuck. Great. Another one bites the dust.
Remind me again why we give organisations like payment processors major over arcing global power to effectively censor the net as they like?

>>22987566
because free market
do you want the government to control corporations? No. So just shut up and do what the corporation wants.

>>22987565
Yeah, their logic was inconsistent
>Video games portraying rape and child exploitation should be banned outright because exploiting women and girls is wrong, no exceptions
>This film portraying the sexualization of young girls is fine because it's supposed to make you feel uncomfortable
And of course, if you point this out, they accuse you of being pro-rape and hating all women.

>>22987567
I want neither. I want a return to the wild west days of the internet. I want this culture war bullshit to end. I want payment processors to stay fucking neutral and not act like they should have a say in what content is accessible. Today they come for incest, that's easy and few will fight it. Tomorrow its going to be some other fetishes, and gradually they will move to more and more vanilla stuff. Then it's things that are not sexual but deemed "offensive". Then they move in from there, until all accessible content is restricted to what they deem appropriate.
I also want my government to rescind the "online protection act" and fucking admit that its the parents responsibility to control what their child accesses online, and that we are big boys and girls and can judge for ourselves what's harmful or not. But they won't because today its the morally "incorrect" stuff banned, tomorrow its dissenting opinions or outcry against them.

>>22987567
That's not free market, you ridiculous retard.
That's two companies without competitors working in lock step. That is the textbook definition of monopoly, you bootlicking faggot.

>>22987561
Sex positive, trans exclusionary, 1st, 2nd wave, 3rd wave, it's all the same shit. It's literally all just angry old broads. It doesn't matter what angle the launder it through. They're angry that they're old and than men are having fun.

>Pornography henceforth banned
KNEEL!!!

>>22987570
No, that's collusion.

>>22987570
why wouldn't you monopolize a free market? It's the obvious way to dominate, it has always been the best strategy to win free market.
You're just jellous of rich people and want big government to tell them how to live, you hate freedom.
Now consume what Mastercard allows you to consume.

>>22987570
Monopoly, trusts, and business cartels are natural consequence of truly free unregulated market.

>>22987575
Also they end truly free market. Truly free market's not sustainable, and some degree of government regulation is necessary to at least keep it more free and more open for competition than what monopolies and cartels allow for.

>>22987574
>Now consume what Mastercard allows you to consume.
Nothing stops you from getting things (((credit card providers))) disapprove of and wiring the money directly to the person you wanna purchase from. All we're loosing here is the convenience of having everything available in one place as one-stop-shop.

>>22987575
A free market would permit competition.

>>22987578
It does. Some just compete so efficiently nobody else has any real chance to catch up.
Think of it like running a race, getting in the lead, and bombing the track behind so that nobody can follow. That's free competition.

>>22987562
Islam is right about women

>>22987579
And the race starts with people well over the finish line, because this ideal free market doesn't start in a new world where people didn't already have monopolies.
And the race by design can't be operated without monopolies because some tracks can't be used by more than one person.

>>22987577
>Nothing stops you from getting things (((credit card providers))) disapprove of and wiring the money directly to the person you wanna purchase from
Except for them closing due to that not being profitable.

>>22987579
It doesn't. Things like payments and banking are regulated to prevent competition.

>>22987556
>since early last week.
Nah, Visa and Mastercard have been screwing with Japan for a while now, and that astroturfed "feminist group" claiming responsibility had nothing to do with it. It had an impact on their recent election, with a bunch of politicians promising they'll force payment processors to obey the law.

>>22987561
This is now what feminism is. Complaining about porn and trannies is the core of modern feminism.

>>22987555 (OP)
What's that fetish RPG I see every now and then posted as reaction images? I thought it was called Elona, but apparently that's not it.

>>22987587
vidya or tabletop?

>>22987587
Can you be more specific

>>22987587
F.A.T.A.L.
Lamentations of the Flame Princess
Shadow of the Demon Lord
Black Tokyo
Nechronica
Ventangle

>>22987558
They're not a "right wing" group. They're owned by Mastercard and are being used to make it look like there's some massive activist group forcing their hand, even though Mastercard and Visa started doing this shit before they existed over the past several years.

>mfw moids angry they can't see tits online

Lmao let me guess, you're going to kill yourselves over it? I love it when a plan comes together.

>>22987591
>It's time to force behaviors
The activist groups claiming victory are useful idiots. They are allowed to "win" when they are advocating for something the puppetmasters already want or can somehow gain from.
In this case it's probably just about normalizing this kind of financial control. Set the precedent using people and things nobody wants to defend :^)

>>22987592
Stories about rape, incest and/or child abuse are consumed more by women than by men, Joanne. I have female friends going ballistic over all their horny VNs being taken away from them.

>>22987588
vidya
>>22987589
looks like heavily modded RPGMaker shit, one reaction image I can remember was about a female knight having freed some slaves who were bitching about it.

>>22987595
LonaRPG

>>22987592
>smoking
It’s amazing how I went from wanting to give this woman my seed to being absolutely disgusted with her

>>22987593
It's already accepted, they don't care if it's normalized. What they want is a porn monopoly.

>>22987596
>Elona
>Lona
This is it, thanks! I almost got it right.

>>22987591
It has to be some kind of inside job. Payment processors are the undisputed gods of the modern world, they have the power to tell anyone (up to and probably including the government) to get fucked and there's nothing anyone can do about it because what are they going to do, stop using digital banking? They can't even use the "think of the children" or "muh chargebacks" excuses this time, the only logical reason for them to kowtow to a small handful of screeching retards would be if someone working there was already itching for an excuse to play morality police.

>>22987555 (OP)
Based.

Reminder that porn is degenerate and leftist.

>>22987556
>Payment processors have been exerting authority over online platforms like this since early last week
This has been an on-going thing for years, since before collective shart forced their way into the middle of the story. They went after patreon, deviant art, and several large japanese doujin sites well before any of this started, without any protest group attached.

>>22987600
It absolutely is because they've been doing this all on their own, without provocation or "high profile" controversy, for the last several years. These decision came from mastercard and visa without external pressure, but when that looked bad, they stepped back from doing it as brazenly as before, and now there's suddenly this highly publicized activist group front and center for all payment processor censorship stories.

>>22987601
Seize the means of semen production, gooner comrades!

>>22987596
>filename
Very much on point.

>>22987555 (OP)
>and deleting
Stop Killing Games would make it illegal for companies who sell to EU or UK citizens to comply with the payment processors' demands. Are they rushing and trying to take out as many sites as possible before that happens?

Kinks today, porn tonight, queers tomorrow.
>Ha ha ha fuck the fagg-
It doesn't stop there. People obsessed with control are never satisfied, they are insatiable. When you get rid of what society considers the bottom 10%, you have a new bottom 10%.

Think about anything that is, and god forgive me for uttering this vile word, "problematic" in MTG, or YGO, or D&D, or WOD, or Warhammer, or literally anything that is discussed on /tg/. Those will be next. If you go full satanic panic christcuck on tabletop hard enough, you will be left with solitaire with the sixes removed.
>Slippery slo-
Slippery slope is a fallacy when you make an absurd argument like interracial marriage leading to legalizing marrying cats and dogs (still not legally possible, as nonhumans do not have the right or ability to enter contracts).

Kinks on any platform are a canary in a coal mine.

I'd like to draw attention to this bill in congress that wishes to put limits on this kind of bullshit. Contact your state reps and voice your support for this.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/senate-bill/401

>>22987603
This, it's obvious to anyone with a fucking brain that this "activist" group is funded by these companies to act as instigators to take the heat off of them.
>We are just complying with the wishes of these amazing people that have been harmed by these things. It's time for us to end these types of businesses for a better tomorrow guys. What, you don't support women?
This is where we are right now with this.

Watching /v/ and, hell all of 4chan really, defend censorship is so fucking weird to me.

What happened?

>>22987609
/pol/tards would laugh at a black man made to stand at the back of the gas chamber they're both in.

>>22987609
>niche fetish porn games get removed
>only niche fetish gooners are screeching about (and /pol/schizos)
It's that shrimple.

>>22987557
>incest
Ah, it's more of this old saw. PornHub got super aggressive about incest years ago for whatever reason and purged loads of stuff related to it. Whatever caused that was the big reason everything gets 'step' stapled onto it these days on the corporate sites.

Supposedly one of the processors also put out a statement clarifying that all furry-on-furry content was fine but furry-human content was blanket banned, I guess because they'll also be angling after beastiality.

>>22987609
Some people are motivated entirely by contrarianism and spite. They can pass themselves off as cynics for a while but then something like this comes up and it suddenly becomes obvious that they're just total fucking retards with no principles or conscious thoughts at all.

>>22987587
It's Lonarpg. Elona is prequel of Elin the roguelike game

>>22987609
>he just found out right wingers have no real principles or values

>>22987609
I can be against censorship and still make fun of cumbrained retards on the internet

>>22987615
>implying leftwing does
Real talk. No one has much, if any, principles they won't renig on. I've seen ultra bleeding heart liberals using faggot and nigger as slurs towards gay and black people. I've also seen gay hating Christians being caught in homosexual affairs while being married.

>>22987607
>you will be left with solitaire with the sixes removed.
PLAYING CARDS??? In MY conservatory??? *huffs smelling salts*

>>22987615
Oh shitoff back to pol, direction brain.

>>22987607
Gooners really are freaking out aren't they?

>>22987609
Nobody is defending censorship. Any pro-censorship voices are foreign agents.

>>22987613
Yeah on /v/ I dug deep into one person who was like "I don't care doesn't affect me" and it turned out they were just a cynical contrarian who doesn't like anything except shitposting on /v/

>>22987621
>Any pro-censorship voices are foreign agent

So 50+% of this site?

>>22987609
>Watching /v/ and, hell all of 4chan really, defend censorship
Where? It's not happening here.

>>22987622
>argues with people on /v/
The sign of mentally well person.

>>22987609
>/v/
Literal shit posters
https://arch.b4k.dev/_/search/image/X5OQa_X1YTYLwy7NPv-iyg/

If it's done by puritans wouldn't d&d be next as it is the satanic ttrpg

>>22987625
I was feeling masochistic.

>>22987609
Nothing is being censored, you can still distribute cumbrain porn shit, you just can't be a sellout whore tainting the community.

>>22987611
>next time the niche porn games removal is used as a precedent and stepping stone to get less niche product removed
How many times does this need to happen before you learn?

>>22987617
>>22987619
>>96170620

Case in point, pointing out that their rhetoric is bullshit just gets "muh left wing" whining.

>>22987627
There'd be a lot of celebration threads on /tg/ if that happens.

>>22987631
I'm closer to moderate socialist if anything. The most visible side of left wing does them more harm than their patoconservative """opposition""".

>>22987609
>Watching /v/ and, hell all of 4chan really, defend censorship is so fucking weird to me.
It's an anonymous imageboard and groups of people conspire, usually on Discord, to support censorship with posts here.
None of it is organic.

>>22987632
More like many anons would embrace nuD&D out of contrarianism.

>>22987633
Lol more of the same. I don't care what the left wing does or thinks, it's irrelevant to my point. Everything right wingers "believe" is open to changing at any time when their media handlers give them new orders.

>>22987633
Forgot to add that I'd be first against the wall if a tankie revolution happened. For the communist, the moderate is a worse enemy than the banker, landowner, or priest.

>>22987636
You might wanna touch grass, or rather actual people, then. Your observation is very limited.

(though I admit there is a very noticeable group that behaves much like you describe)

>>22987562
Why is a dead Empire run by Islamic pedos having so much influence on everyone else?

>>22987609
"Innovative methods are warranted"

>>22987601
Is not about the porn anon, is about control.
If they really care about porn cracking on this is not the way to do it.

>>22987601
https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/senate-bill/401/cosponsors

Lol if you genuinely believe that this bill is about legitimate censorship. It's a bill to outlaw BDS.

>>22987620
You're missing the point.
They will not stop at "gooners".

>>22987630
How many times has it happened in reality anon?
Porn is more prevalent and accepted today then it ever was with a much wider access to even the most niche subjects.
This is just a bunch of bellyaching from gooners and they are trying to hype it up like it's a Boston tea party or something.

>>22987631
>point out that no one stands on their principals
>your a rightoid
Left/right brained idiots are peculiar.

>>22987609
The culture war has lobotomized at least 75% of this site

>>22987558
>>22987556
it's literally what the credit cards do normally.

>>22987564
This is the future Trump faggots chose

>>22987597
> Intimidated by a woman enjoying the finer things in life
Lmao, low t, and never had sex

>>22987650
>intimidated
Tobacco breath is simply disgusting.

>today, a bunch of degenerate coomgamers are learning about the way international payment processing works

it's not your money that you buy things with, it's Visa's. Visa pays the vendor, submits a request to your bank for repayment, and secures the funds. there's a little more to it with regards to clearinghouses and SWIFT transactions, but the basic gist is that you are engendering a debt by requesting your payment processor to purchase an item on your behalf.

as much as i disagree with their policy regarding the matter as a principle of free speech, the simple fact is that you have no natural right to force someone to use their money in a way with which they disagree--and yes, this means i believe the income tax is both unconstitutional and immoral, but that's not what we're talking about here. Visa's money, Visa's choice.

a shame that a new payment processor will never be allowed to get off the ground.

>>22987591
They don't need a sock puppet activist group tho. Do you really think banning niche pornography is going to cause enough bad pr that people are going to stop using the largest payment processors?

>>22987608
>This, it's obvious to anyone with a fucking brain that this "activist" group is funded by these companies to act as instigators to take the heat off of them.

Anon I can guarantee that the largest payment processes don't give a rats ass about how communities on the internet feel about them. They aren't funding activists groups because people who consume niche internet porn are a threat to their bottom line lol.

>>22987654
zoom out, retard, they want control over what you can and cannot purchase, and this is quite literally the very purpose of the current event. it is payment processors saying that you cannot purchase niche internet porn.

if the question of whether the forbidden good/service interests you is the sole determinant factor in your interest to prevent these businesses from exercising agency over what the customers who rely on their services may do with their own money, you are either a foolish tool or a toolish fool, and you may expect no quarter or support when you are disallowed from using your money as you see fit.

>>22987650
this nigga likes when bitches' kisses taste like ashtrays and he seriously finna call anybody else low t lmfao

>>22987642
holy fucking BASED

>>22987561
It's always been the same people, you fucking nimrod. Whether it's the left or the right, they all want to censor shit because they hate the fact that someone dares to think unlike them. Everyone who wants to censor something - anything - should fucking die, without exception.

>>22987609
Election tourists, Indians, Chinks, and shills mostly. I miss it when 4chan was straight up lolbertarian.

>>22987659
it's not the population it's the people themselves
for 10-20 years we literally whittled down freedoms and our respect for it.

>>22987656
>>22987651
> Never shared a cigarette with a woman after sex before beginning a second round of fucking
Lmao at these virgins. How much do you donate to your faggy little VTubers or whatever lol

>>22987655
>they want control over what you can and cannot purchase
They've always had that anon.....
>it is payment processors saying that you cannot purchase niche internet porn.
Oh no.

>>22987655
>zoom out, retard, they want control over what you can and cannot purchase, and this is quite literally the very purpose of the current event. it is payment processors saying that you cannot purchase niche internet porn

Anon I'm acknowledging the reality of the situation not trying to make a personal statement. The card processors aren't going to jump through hoops to remove shit 99.99% of people don't care about because that does affect their bottom line.

>>22987561
Based and redpilled, purge gooner shit, Christ is King.

>>22987609
>What happened?
2016 and conservatism becoming "cool"(funded by right wing think tanks and oil oligarchs, always have been).
Obviously these type of people were already festering here before, but that was the point of no return. You went so far right because you wanted to own the feminazis, you just become some born again who wants to ban tits and burn harry potter but for different reasons
You see this behavior in sharty doxing and "canceling" people, not because they said nigger but because they're "degenerates" who made an edgy game like that goth demon incest VN
>>22987615
Essentially this

>>22987661
bro, you are reaching hard. i've cop-knocked on the cervix of a smoker or two in my time, and a woman's mouth tastes better absent tobacco. making it about some nebulous 'experience' is your right, but it's really weird to pretend that your feel for 'the moment' makes you somehow more sexual than people who prefer the experience of the senses.

>>22987659
Don't forget feds, cyberops agents, glowies, both domestic and foreign. There's a vested interest in gaslighting the internet and trying to shape narratives as they happen, and when a discussion about censorship and overt authoritarian overreach from unaccountable corporate demons comes up and it goes from largely negative to
>lmao based those fags deserve it
It is a blatant attempt to reframe the narrative and attempt to manufacture consensus. This works perfectly on reddit because one airforce base maintaining a few thousand accounts can manipulate upvotes however they want to make it so it looks like "the majority" of users all agree, and that if someone wishes to retain in-group acceptance, they should learn to contort themselves to accept that point of view also.

It works far less effectively on 4chan because we're all too autistic and stubborn, and one dedicated sperg can argue back for days, leaving the various glowies to either sputter and tank the thread in an effort to hide the conflicting conversation, or make the topic so fucking annoying to engage with that users stop posting about it. Even then, a dedicate sperg can undermine that severely.

>>22987595
That's Cecily, she's an idealist in world of selfish bastards and suffers for it.
Mind you, this is the "good" ending of that particular questline.

Things are not getting purged unless they have certain tags. The rest is just waiting to be listed back again. If you have the link to the NSFW game or book it's still there

>>22987615
>"muh right wing" whining
Kill yourself.

>>22987555 (OP)
Christians strike again

>>22987609
You apparently have not been here for at least 11 years. Censorship of stuff I dislike such as trannies, fags, anything left of Hitler etc is good and based.

>>22987671
Blaming Mastercard's bullshit on religion makes you a useful idiot. That's the exact reaction they want, because it will send you off into faggoty culture war spasms instead of addressing the real issue at hand.

>>22987639
Because a bunch of global finance is processed in that dead empire's capital.
Although, I wouldn't be surprised if this was in the works for years and implementation of a British law was just the most opportune moment for payment processors to pull this.
Japanese sites selling eroge and hentai manga got hit with this about six months ago. That was the testing ground. Visa and Mastercard are being sued in Japan by the government over antitrust practices for holding those sites hostage, which may have prompted them to play their hands so quickly.

>Various content marked as NSFW (not just porn or fetish) has been hidden and/or is being removed
>Anons create the scarecrow that only gooners will be affected
Anons are just denying reality at this point?

>>22987674
It has absolutely been in the works for years.
This is an expansion of behavioral control through financial services.
For now it's weird porn, but eventually it will be political expression and finally day-to-day shit like how many eggs you buy each week.

It sounds like a meme, but these people are transnational aristocratic ecofascists who dream of living in a pristine garden world with only them and their chosen slaves (who should of course live in crushing poverty for the sake of The Planet).

The karens and mohammeds are a smokescreen.

The containment board is leaking again it seems.

>>22987676
meds schizo retard

>>22987609
On the one hand, there are probably a nonzero number of impressionable teenagers that would not have cut their dicks off if they hadn't gotten into niche pornography.

However, there's at least one study on porn addiction that showed both "addicts" and non-addicts consumed the same amount, and addicts just had a guilt complex. And in general, more porn correlates with less rape. And given how white trash-coded trooning out is these days, I think it's just the latest iteration of the peasants finding new ways to fuck up their lives. Before trooning out, it was alcoholism and gambling.

>>22987615
They do, and that's partially the problem. They have dogmatic beliefs that aren't persuaded by evidence. It's why we're at the point where they sound like Djinn-brained superstitious peasants.

>>22987676
never speak again you fucking imbecile

>>22987678
>>22987680
Tell your handlers we called you a faggot and told you to kill yourself.

>>22987652
If they take the money out of my account then in the end it's my damn money. Having a step in the middle means nothing if visa doesn't actually put up any real risk.

>>22987561
They're pulling the same routine the temperance movement used back in the 1920s and sucking up to both sides. Assuming that they aren't a front like these guys >>22987600 >>22987603 >>22987608 said.

Why is eveyone overreacting? It's just a little bird.

>>22987555 (OP)
RIP Lona RPG

>>22987685
I believe in Chink, this won't stop him, if anything the spite will make him stronger.

>>22987675
Uh, you don't remember the poem, "first they came for the socialists, i did nothing because i wasn't a socialist?"

the point of that poem is that if you keep your head down, they'll come for everyone else before you

so no need to wrry

Jannies doing damage control instead of their actual jobs again, I see.

>>22987691
OP should've started the thread with "How does censorship work in your setting", then he would've been allowed to bump it for a month with no content whatsoever.

>>22987685
>>22987686
It's on the f95 zone.

Fuck payment processor niggers, fuck the kikes, fuck the nwo. My boys will have their niche porn games. The Internet will be free.

>>22987674
>6 months ago
It started years ago anon. They've just been cracking further, and further down since.

>Visa and Co start censoring and dictating which products can be purchased, withholding services to sites that do not comply
>UK and Australia roll out a mass block that requires you to submit your id and face to a "3rd party" company in order to access non approved content
There's something big afoot. It's happening and I don't know what but it won't be good. Someone on /pol/ suggested it's a containment/control method against the masses of anger in the populace.
Side note, they are already suggesting extending the lock to include all vidya with play times of over 2 hours, so pretty much every game ever released. Want to download your entertainment from STEAM? Better be ready to provide full biometrics.

>>22987555 (OP)
This does nothing but increase piracy and piss people off

>>22987653
It's not really about niche porn as much as it is about mastercard and visa's ability to bend the law and decide that they get to decide what is or isn't allowed in a free market, without consequence. The activist group is just a useful smokescreen for making it appear as if there's some large, grassroots demand from the majority of people around the world for payment processors to act to keep their customers happy.

>>22987555 (OP)
This sucks cause I like romance horror games.
At least I bought the ones I liked before this but maybe I should sweep the site for more before it gets taken down entirely.