Thread 23137931

Pol larps about male loneliness
What about female loneliness?
Destroyed their lifes for career of
>Gaslighting man
>Removing man from workforce
>Gatekeeping man

>>23137931 (OP)
They might want to stop acting like cunts all the time.

>>23137931 (OP)
I don't really care

>>23137931 (OP)
>winer
Pottery.

>>23137931 (OP)
Wtf is a business growth expert? And why would you need one? It really is just Jewish daycare out there

>>23137931 (OP)
how ugly is she willing to go? that's the real question for her since she isn't a looker herself

>>23137931 (OP)
Wherever this uggo isnt at.

>>23137931 (OP)
>single emotionally available men

>>23137931 (OP)
All those men are on 4chan

>>23137931 (OP)
If she's single at 30+ it's her fault. I've never debated that older women can't be lonely - their pussy pass disappears after they hit a certain age. But I just don't care. It's their fault for getting into that position in the first place.

>>23137931 (OP)
>booze
Sorry. I have no idea.

>>23137931 (OP)
all men bad

>>23137931 (OP)
>emotionally available

This ugly bitch wants attention and validation, that's what that means in roastspeak. Ugly femgroids like this used to know their place, now they're bratty as shit and run their mouths + step out of line due to gazillions of subhuman pajeets flooding their inboxes with updoots

Society is collapsing

>>23137942
holes need to learn they are holes.

>>23137931 (OP)
She looks like the child sacrifice mask

>>23137931 (OP)
This is old post. She's probably with an Indian man by now.

>>23137942
This has "we got kicked out of 109 countries but it was their fault" vibes

>>23137935
>business growth expert
Its made up job just like culture managers
Real job is business development

>>23137931 (OP)
Who gives a shit about women's problems until you ban male infant genital mutilation.

It boggles the mind how a woman gets to 35+ and doesn't have a long term boyfriend/husband. The amount of guys that even very plain women have just throwing themselves at them has to mean that these women collectively have turned down thousands of men. They'll smirk and say "none of them were good enough! :)" but we know that's complete bullshit, their standards are fucking stupid and you won't be getting any fun new experiences with them.

Every experience you have, they're mentally comparing you to other people...what a fucking chore.

>>23137942
>"eMoTiOnAL LaBoUr

This is a made up bullshit term to justify doing absolutely nothing but wanting credit for something. Don't know how many more times I can hear of a guy who physically provides heaps of shit for his gf, dumps her ass, then she wants to say she did that.

>>23137938
>me after the tower of babel

>>23137931 (OP)
As easily solved forever through impersonal engineering and readily available infrastructure.

Specifically, by putting women into barns, where they will be bred and milked to the full extent of efficiency granted by human Zootechnics, and then unceremoniously disposed of with a pneumatic needle when their bodies are spent and unproductive.

>>23137942
Why are women so obsessed with porn these days? It's very strange. Maybe they should google "psychological projection"

>>23137935
remember those pictures in daycare to mark your shelf where you stored your cloths? Same thing in corporate.
"Welcome to jewish daycare, we will make sure you are busy and don't get children. Your picture is Business Growth Expert, don't forget it! So go an have fun!"

>>23137931 (OP)
The problem is that men are lonely their whole lives, women "become lonely" when they're run through whores in their 30s and 40s and wonder why no one wants them anymore when they want to "settle down."

>>23137931 (OP)
The men who would be emotionally available, not alcoholics, so on, are not attractive and so invisible to these women

>>23137931 (OP)
>What about female loneliness?
they have it worse, so glad I'm not female

>>23137931 (OP)
If she didn't spend her 20s sucking off different Chads every Saturday she'd have found one before it became too late

>>23137931 (OP)
Men and women are just wired differently. Most can cope just fine with their gaggle of frenemies in the herd until they either do find that man they think they’re worthy of or not.

>>23137931 (OP)
Damn she posted that on LinkedIn.

New INCEL thread just dropped!

>>23137962
And I thought I was fucking retarded

>>23137951
It's the shitty, entitled attitude they have towards men. They're incapable of interacting with us normally

>>23137935
>Wtf is a business growth expert? And why would you need one? It really is just Jewish daycare out there
Yes.

>>23137932
This.

>>23137963
bitch,
please redeem your india vacation coupon

Nose. Necklace looks like it might be a star of remphan as well.

>>23137936
>how ugly is she willing to go? that's the real question for her since she isn't a looker herself

>>23137935
fake economy requires fake jobs

>>23137931 (OP)
I got her description and I guarantee if I messaged her she'd ignore me.
She wants Chad. I'm done dealing with any of this conversation. She wants Chad cock and Chad commitment. She'll get the former but not the latter.
FUCK OFF AND STOP SIMPING.

>>23137931 (OP)

I'm a 40s man who is wealthy and successful with no baggage, multiple homes, and am educated, dress well, intelligent, and kind to animals.

I mostly hang out where I can bang early 20s women who are in YOLO mode.

>>23137942
>emotional labor
100% sociopath narcissist.
Expect men to nurture and protect her
Give 0%

>>23137955
COOKA

>>23137959
>What about female loneliness?
>they have it worse, so glad I'm not female
Truth.
It's easy to be alone as a male.
It's torture to be alone as a female.

>>23137931 (OP)
>mid 30 early 40s who doesnt base their life around booze.

Thats not how the real world works sweetheart. Those guys are all successful and take by then.

>>23137965
Dude, I just saw on some propaganda rag on my newsfeed about "handyman dates! it's the new trend!" (it isn't) and it's women asking guys to come over and do house shit for them like assembling furniture or something.
One woman brags about the multiple guys she's had come over and do these chores and you know they're all approaching earnestly and this harpy is just using them, it's disgusting.....anyway one of them was attractive so she gave it up for him and they got together.

>>23137979
>anyway one of them was attractive so she gave it up for him and they got together.
That's the way it always goes, these people are just very shallow. They don't grasp that if they go in with that shitty, entitled mentality they'll just get used in turn (that's why despite their suppsoedly thorough vetting processes they always end up with abusive men anyway lol)

>>23137957
>Did not settle down with her manager or CEO

>>23137958
I am not interested in booze or gym, but still get no attention. Maybe this is her projection or a role reversal, many women will be attracted to roided out alcoholic violent maniacs that treat them like crap & possibly murder them, a bit like how some women love foreign migrants for being lowiq rapists. The more aggressive caveman like behaviour the more her pussy drips
Am I wrong in this judgement?

>>23137931 (OP)
>female loneliness
kek

>>23137983
/thread

>>23137983
They need to learn to not be so solipsistic. They have pets, but don't treat them as friends. Women can't understand the value of classic video games and the imagination that they unlock as well. And do women even listen to Art Bell, or fix anything?

I turned down two attractive (but dramatic, and too young for me) women recently and both of them have went out of their way to try and ruin my name and scream at me whenever they see me. Thankfully I’m well known in my community and have a good reputation as a leader so it isn’t taken seriously, but there is absolutely something wrong with younger women these days. Never dealt with anything like this as a younger guy (millennial) and they’re both zoomies. The fuck is wrong with zoomer girls? The other ones I know are just bottomless pits of drama and nigh on constant intrigue.

>>23137935
>Wtf is a business growth expert?
Have you considered increasing your sales?

>>23137935
Doesn't matter. Get paid and go home.

>>23137985
You basically just described my life content as a single, formerly-married monk. I feel bad they cannot achieve this level of nirvana.

>>23137985
>They have pets, but don't treat them as friends.
My cat is terrible at conversation.

>>23137982
>Am I wrong in this judgement?
You're not wrong, but not all women are like that. If you go to a bar or a club of course you're going to see or attract the wrong king of woman, so go to where more wholesome types are at.

>>23137931 (OP)
>where do i meet human beans as a femanon
>look at pic, oh she's got that israeli walrus pheno
>look at name, winer
just leave the planet at this point

>>23137931 (OP)
Oh shit, she put this on LinkedIn. Oh no.

>>23137986
Women don't seem to have much empathy for men nowadays, or grasp that almost everything around them was literally built by men. It's pretty odd

>>23137942
>guy who isn’t chad
>guy who isn’t chad
>guy who isn’t chad
If she wants chad then why doesn’t she settle for the gym bro? Or right, those “sociopaths” keep dumping her

>>23137989
It isn't always easy, but there is peace, brother.

>>23137931 (OP)
Lol women getting a career because the don't feel properly equipped in other departments.

>>23137931 (OP)
>gets thousands of (You)s instantly
You will never understand just how bad it really is.

>>23137931 (OP)
Damn, she kinda ugly

>>23137990
>My cat is terrible at conversation.
Yet he's willing to speak to you and is giving you wisdom anyway.

>>23137931 (OP)
>male loneliness
Men aren't lonely. We're living peaceful lives alone. Modern women bring nothing of value to our lives. Feminism was a fucking disaster for both sides.

>>23137975
When I talk to my gf about my life it's for her sake, not mine. I want her to feel involved. I don't really care about her opinions about things that don't really concern her.
The alternative of just shutting her out of these things would make her feel upset and excluded, which I obviously don't want to deal with.
Women complaining about "emotional labor" is as hilarious as when they complain about catcallers. They live off that shit.

>>23137979
>Dude, I just saw on some propaganda rag on my newsfeed about "handyman dates! it's the new trend!" (it isn't) and it's women asking guys to come over and do house shit for them like assembling furniture or something.
>One woman brags about the multiple guys she's had come over and do these chores and you know they're all approaching earnestly and this harpy is just using them, it's disgusting.....anyway one of them was attractive so she gave it up for him and they got together.

post link

>>23138003
https://www.dailydot.com/culture/hinge-bob-the-builder-dating-trend/

I urinated on a 37 year old woman this weekend

>>23137994
>Women don't seem to have much empathy for men nowadays
>nowadays

Women have never had empathy for anything men go through.

>>23137997
Its DEI fake job that is used as pipeline to create more fake job
>Oh growth
>Have you considered creating department for xyz I have great fem and troon friends from Ikea and Walshart to join this venture

These people leech 200k for nothing burger

>>23137942
>m-muh EmOtiOnaL LaBoR
Because not being a massive cunt is asking a lot from modern women.

>>23138005
I wet the bed sometimes too, very embarrassing, feel for you anon

>>23138009
rip maori

>>23137931 (OP)
>wants a top tier man
>looks like total shit
Incel mentality.

All women that are alone... are alone by choice. They could make concessions and accept someone below their gaslitten standards. IN ALL CASES. No matter how hefty she is. How snaggly toothed, or fat... some dude will hit that. If some dude will hit that then some other dude would put a ring on it. No pitty. This is retarded. You are retarded. Probably a nigger or edojeet/jeet.

>>23137931 (OP)
I fucked a girl right before she settled down and had a child with another man. Like, literally a week before she met her new man, I was fucking her raw in the back of my car in a parking lot, broad daylight.

So she has a kid and she's married now, and the kid is 2 years old, and we mutually agreed it was weird for us to keep hanging out
>she hits me up randomly on my birthday
>"hey im feeling lonely"

I think loneliness means something totally different for men and women. For men it's lack of emotional connection and actual solitude, for women I think it's literally some kind of temporary dissatisfaction with their partners/family

>>23137974
Where would that be? Rape in an alleyway doesn't count btw

>>23138000
Did you just assume my cat's gender?

>>23137931 (OP)
>What about female loneliness?
Not my problem, thank god.

>>23137991
>so go to where more wholesome types are at.
And where would that be? Don't say church, because there's only shitskins and whores there.

>>23137931 (OP)
>be woman
>be handed everything by men because they want to fuck, wife or impregnate you
>dont fuck half of them, dont wife any of them, abort all pregnancies
>hit 35
>men no longer hand you free stuff or show interest
Yes that's exactly equivalent to a male experience...

>>23137931 (OP)
>emotionally available man 30+ something

aka rich dude who has his shit together but somehow single and also is willing to tolerate female mental illness without putting any of his problems on her

>>23137931 (OP)
They're already married sorry you didn't get the memo but high-school and university is to trick the best male you can into spending his entire life with you. The men who haven't been picked up by 25 are shittier, deal with it honey. You're getting a gym bro, drinker, or overachieving uggo.

>>23137935
>business growth expert
they grow pretty good business cabbages

>>23138013
>im feeling lonely
I know such chicks. Crazy thing is, they write that to 20 people at the same time and whoever responds and textes is going to get a therapy session. And won't get laid ofc

>>23137931 (OP)
If they are willing to give up everything they wasted their time on so far, they can come live on my homestead as sister wives and never work a traditional job again. Must be willing to spend a lot of time with family.

>>23137931 (OP)

They are in churches that are serious about Jesus and the Gospel, but if you're worldly and your heart isn't in it, they'll know. This goes for women too.

>>23137931 (OP)
>What about female loneliness?

I know tons of women like the OP and the have the following problems:
>pissed away their 20s in education or chasing a "career", only decided to really start dating in their late 20s and 30s, after her youthful spark has left her
>overly plain and boring so they fly under the radar of most guys
>annoying busy bodies
>the previously lack of male attention makes them have unironically overly high and unrealistic standards. Women do this thing where instead of acknowledging the problem (they have low desirability) they double down and think to themselves the complete opposite (I am such a catch that no man can meet my standards which explains the lack of relationships in my life)

>>23137975
Emotional labour is keeping his dick sucked every day and they can’t even do that.

>>23137955
>Why are women so obsessed with porn these days?

I have no clue considering women consume just as much porn as men do nowadays and are bigger coomers as well. I believe women pay for more porn on average compared to the average guy.

>>23137942
The dating pool for men is

>the village bicycle
>the medicated bipolar woman
>the unmedicated
>fat
>bitchy
>condescending
>overall annoying. Quit asking me what im doing while youre watching me do it

>>23138024
>They are in churches that are serious about Jesus and the Gospel, but if you're worldly and your heart isn't in it, they'll know. This goes for women too.
BASED

>>23138028
You forgot the vaxxed

>>23137931 (OP)
>Can't booze
>Can't gym
Oh shes looking for a 40yo neet whos personality is plays fortnight

>>23138025
>I am such a catch that no woman can meet my standards which explains the lack of relationships in my life
Exactly as incels

>>23138028
>>23138030
and the coal burner

>>23137931 (OP)
To answer her question, I'm at home.

>>23138021
Kapustapilled

>35
>180k salary
>own a house
>own a car
>no debts
>1 million+ net worth currently
>no tattoos
>only drink wine occasionally when I have some leftover that I bought for cooking food
>no health problems
>not overweight
>white
I generally hangout either with my dog hiking a trail, or at home playing video games with my childhood friend online. He is the same age and does exactly the same as me. Occasionally I go to church events to meet people. Based on her picture I'd say she is in her 30s and is too old for me. I only have sex with women under 28 years of age.

>>23137931 (OP)
we're too busy enjoying ourselves and our hobbies to have time for needy whores.

>>23137952
I’d say realistically men do more “emotional labour” when dealing with women. Women are a constant nagging thorn in your side. They piss, and moan, and cry, and bitch infinitely and for no reason. Ask most married guys what their ideal vacation is and it’s a week away from their wife with the boys. Women are a constant mental drain. If you want to do anything creative or entrepreneurial do it before getting into a long term relationship or it’ll never happen.

>>23137975
Women hace absolutely no impact on my emotional wellbeing or decision making. Anything I tell them is done so to placate thier desire to be involved. I don't tell them anything deeply personal, that's a trap. Telling a woman anything will just make that thing worse.

>>23137931 (OP)
I go to work, then go home.

>>23137975
>yes goyim, here's why your spouse confiding in you is actually le bad

>>23137931 (OP)
Only mid and ugly women work nowadays. No man who is even half aware will let his pretty wife work except for the family business or something like that where she is in close proximity to the husband and far away from other males. Pretty women are kept as wives usually at home raising children. They only socialize in private venues with close circle of friends, and those circles are very careful who they let in, it's mostly other couples anyway.

In the past women only sought out careers to have access to better male prospects (Chads and Chads-lite). Now with social media they don't need to work anymore as they can just film themselves dancing and make hundreds of thousand of dollars a year or even millions if they show some skin (pussy/ass), at the same time they still have access to the full male catalog of Chads and Chads-lite.

>>23137975
if you find helping your husband exhausting, maybe you should get a divorce and fuck off

>>23137931 (OP)
they're married already. sucks to be you

>>23137991
Yeah where the fuck is that?
>>23138017
Based knower, all the biggest whores were always in the front row

>>23137935
A business growth expert harangues the sales guys and corporate development (finance) guys.

That’s it.

>>23137931 (OP)
What is a “business growth expert”?

>>23137969
>the guy in a star trek uniform at 1:14
my sides

>>23138038
>Women are a constant nagging thorn in your side.
Those are all mid women who are stuck with some mid or beta, when around Chad they don't behave like that. I can tell you never experienced woman near beta males and the same woman near Chad later on, their demeanor and lust for life changes dramatically.

>>23138046
At my work we have a “business development” girl. Her job is to network with other engineering companies. Every other engineering company also has an equivalent to her. So essentially when she goes to these networking things she is meeting the same women over and over again, just in a new setting. Her job is to go golfing essentially. It’s infuriating.

>>23137975
The error here is not that they have no one to open to. It’s that they open to their wives. Open up to your male friends/family or nobody. Never open up to your girlfriend or wife or female friends even mother and especially not your daughter. They won’t sympathize. They won’t help you work through it. And they will hold it against you and think less of you.

>>23137977
It's only "easy" for you because you've never been loved to begin with, so you don't know what you're missing out on.

>>23137931 (OP)
>ICF PCC
International Coaching Federation
Professional Certified Coach

So some bitch who likes to tell people what to do but has no ability to do it herself. If we rid this world of these types… we’d be in better shape.

>>23137942
I had a great mom so I was raised knowing to trust women and treat them like princesses. Then I grew up and based my worldview on personal experience. Now I hate 99.99% of all women.

>>23137931 (OP)
What a revolting whore

>>23137974
Younger women think you're gross and are laughing at you. They'll use you for free Chipotle then talk shit about you to their friends while they chase after Chad. Boomers like you (if not a larp) are cring af.

>>23137931 (OP)
>LinkedIn
kek

>>23137959
It's bad out there for women when even teddy bear wants to beat her useless retard ass.

>>23137931 (OP)
spiritual jihad

>>23138049
Sure thing, incel. Let me assure you, even Chad gets sick of women’s shit.

>>23138032
>exactly as incels

Nope. The cow doesn't jump the fence to be the with stud, it's the opposite.

>>23137931 (OP)
dumb twat: men like that are long since married and have families.

>>23137931 (OP)
>no drunks
How do you expect me to fuck that sober?

>>23137931 (OP)
i really want to see economy completely collapse and to watch how all those 30+ roasties starve to death

>>23138038
>If you want to do anything creative or entrepreneurial do it before getting into a long term relationship or it’ll never happen
holy shit, my retarded ex could not understand why "all I care about is making money" meanwhile she's constantly bitching about having to work at all and me not making enough money.
>what do you mean you can't text me all hours of the day and spend all weekend, every weekend spending money on me?
Some retard married her a year after we broke up because I wouldn't marry her, kek.

>>23137991
>so go to where more wholesome types
nonexistent, that's nurture not nature.
It's like raising a domesticated tiger, doesn't mean it won't decide to bite your face off one day.

>>23138060
Chad checking in, the biggest burnout is trying to keep fucking a girl no strings attached long enough. You’re always competing with other chads who also won’t commit to her but she can’t grasp that. Once they say I love you, you’ve hit the danger zone, she thinks you’re a sucker. It usually doesn’t last long from here unless you’re trying to be Captain save-a-hoe

>>23137931 (OP)
>mid-30s to early 40s
If dude hasn't bagged a fertile, non-pilled-out wife by this age, the booze is all that keeps him alive
>entire personality isn't the gym
bit of a paradox, but also around this age the resign themselves to having only themselves to rely on, and must pump iron to ensure survival
Also, you're like 3/10 at best. How can you have at least 2 degrees and not understand that?

>>23138027
>I believe women pay for more porn on average compared to the average guy.
Holy fuck that's hilarious, even I wouldn't have believed that. Dworkin has melted their brains

>>23137986
>and scream at me whenever they see me
You live in gayborhood?

>>23137931 (OP)
Men have declared spiritual jihad on women and it shows as they slowly begin to lose it. This is it anons, the real gender war has begun, not the fake one with countless pronouns that is being shilled everywhere in the media, but the real gender war between man and woman.
Women are about to learn a harsh lesson.

Don't talk to women, don't help them, don't ask them out, don't have dating apps, don't interact with them. If a woman approaches you be nice and respectful but do not flirt or overtly joke, treat them as an equal man and then leave after the reason for the conversation is over. If a girl comes up to you and flirts kindly turn her down, if she asks you out suddenly say no thank you, don't make up a reason she only has agency because of some external reason not because she likes you. Be vague when talking about your life or weekend plans, anything you do or do with them like hooking up will be picked apart and analyzed by her and her online friends. You are a traitor and not helping anyone if you fall for their tricks.
If men can't display a modicum of power over society, this world and women, then I guess they don't hold much power at all.

>>23137931 (OP)
>Female loneliness
We should kill all women and start over.

>>23138071
This.
Women always thought they had power over men because men "needed" women.
It's turning out that women needed men a lot more than the vice versa.
A man can live without a woman; a woman will lose her mind without men validating her stupid existence.

>>23137931 (OP)
>Single men in 30s 40s
They hang out with non walled 20 year olds

>>23137942
>Emotionally distant manipulators
Ah shit that's me

>>23137931 (OP)
>old
>ugly moon face
>not a virgin
The only reason I would ever waste money dating her is if I'm on the verge of suicide from loneliness.

>>23137931 (OP)
No we don’t, it’s just kikes and jeets and other brown subhumans spamming the board, like you.
I know you’re definitely not having sex

>>23138071
This is never going to work. It only works with ugly women. Once attractive women becomes part of the equation, Men will backstab each other and won't think twice.

>>23137931 (OP)
No one cares.
No one cares about lonely men.
No one cares about lonely women.
The only reason there are post about it here is because there are people that want to exploit either.

>>23138075
I am jealous, please teach me how.

>>23138067
Ain't nobody got no time for that

>>23137932
THAT’S UNREALISTIC STANDARDS, CHUD.

>>23138080
Did you have parents that neglected you and taught you nothing?
That was my baseline
I have to admit its something I just fell into
Luck of circumstance
Mechanism for survival

>>23137931 (OP)
Women should not be allowed to go into "careers" outside the home, this is self-evident.

>>23138083
>Did you have parents that neglected you and taught you nothing?
Yeah, essentially.
Unfortunately I'm the opposite of you, emotionally clingy and prone to being manipulated myself, and I fucking hate it.

>>23138072
your a fucking loser with no empathy there's a reason woman hate you, your the common denominator.

Every single group that isn't straight white men have life on easy mode while inventing problems and blaming it on straight white men who is being punished. This shit can't go on forever

She is lonely by choice, the fat bald beer belly 50+ year old who would gladly take her she isn't interested in.
She wants the same type of guy she wanted at 30 and 20, but those guys don't want her.
Cats and wine await.

>>23137931 (OP)
>winer
>that nose
>that smile

>>23137942
And what she has to offer?

>>23138086
>you're x2***
>women**

>>23138028
out of a group of about 20 friends and family around my age only 1 is with someone that isn't fat and thats because he took the asian pill. The rest were fat when they met or the woman got fat the moment they got married. Some of these girls were really got like 8 or 9s but just blew up immediately

>>23138078
Only one problem with that. Most women are not attractive, in fact very few of them are.

>>23138027
>I believe women pay for more porn on average compared to the average guy.
If you're counting erotica e-books then absolutely. Those numbers would blow men's purchases out of the water. The "romance" and erotica market on Amazon alone is supposedly over 1 billion dollars a year.

>>23137931 (OP)
These women are walled and out of eggs. There are a lot of simps out there, so they will get some desperate fuck if they want to. Zero value to me though, I can't imagine what goes through a guy's head when he decides to marry a 40+ year old roastoid.

>>23138095
She made this video because someone probably a relative asked "when you settling down" and instead of having a normal discussion she ran to tiktok to farm comments saying "you go girl".

>>23137948
Literally this kek I really don’t think the Jews of gender understand where it is they are right now

>>23138095
I'm 27 but I go for women in their 30's and 40's, oldest I banged was 48. They are desperate unlike women my age who will cut me off if I say one wrong thing or make one wrong reaction they are exhausting.

>>23137942
I could be any one of these, depending on the woman.

>>23137931 (OP)
That place used to be the Church. Nowadays you will have a hard time finding regular men who are anywhere other than work, home on the computer, home on the computer but working remotely. You don't want bar flies or gym bros and I don't blame you. The problem is there are few to zero places to hang out that are as fun or more than bantering online. Movies get boring once you learn how to spot propaganda. It's all a bunch of anti white, pro Jewish garbage. Exercise trails are not a good place to look for dates. Bars are for social losers while the Internet is for asocial losers. Chad has thousands of potential women of any age he wants, usually a bit younger than him. Average men don't move the needle for average women with good jobs. You will have to make a new space and lower your standards. Ick, I know.

>>23138098
God like every post made by a Canadian is just 1 post by this id retardation

>>23138093
There's a lot of attractive women in Australia. Just don't stay in the city. Too many mutts there.

>>23138098
Yeah but you're not marrying them are ya.
I've witnessed some shocking examples. A 50yo simp is marrying my 63yo actual (ex) whore alcoholic aunt who looks like something out of a horror movie. The simp has no kids, never had a proper relationship, and somehow gets to 50 and thinks this is a good idea the stupidity blows my mind but to each their own

>>23138032
>Exactly as incels
Incels would take a girl like this in a heartbeat if she wasn't delusional. Girls like this run men off then complain that they can't find a man.

>>23138048
was it tuvok??

>>23137931 (OP)
>lists all of her "accomplishments"... BSc... etc...
what an insufferable cunt. no wonder nobody wants to be around her.

>>23137931 (OP)
Since when did LinkedIn becoming a dating site?

>>23138013
>loneliness means something totally different for men and women.
Men look for companionship and a connection. Women look for drama to avoid boredom and for the attention to be on her. A lonely woman is a bored woman.

>>23137951
hey bro you're just jealous she's a *checks job* professional certified coach. professional certified coach?
i have a friend who's turning 40, who used to be stunning, and has realized she pissed away her years. they really do think the ride will last forever.

>>23138015
Yes, he's a good boy!

>>23138097
>The Jews of gender
Kekkkkkk

>>23137931 (OP)
so she is an old woman... well, sad... the niggers can have her. idk.

>>23137931 (OP)
>rides cock carousel for a decade
>hits the wall at 88 miles per hour
>"where the good men at?"
you missed them about 20 years ago.

>>23138048
Doctor Bashir's looking rough.

It amazes me just how many women are oblivious to *why* they gradually became invisible to men. The only case I knew of a woman had some self awareness was a 28 year old woman from New York. Who was up front about what she wanted and I could see it in her eyes the realisation that she was fast running out of time.

It's a weird thing, like it seems to be the middle of the curve women who are ending up childless in this way. Such women need their dad or brother to step in and tell them that it will only get more difficult.

>business growth expert
She gave up motherhood, for this? You know that we used to call people who helped businesses make more money something specific like "sales" or "marketing". Where there were specific things expected of people in those roles. Like you knew your sales team was shit when they didn't make any sales. That your marketing team was shit when they spent a bunch of money on ads and nothing happened.

>ICF PCC Coach
It's safe to assume that the more acronyms a title has, the more bullshit the job is. It's rather sad to see places like linkedin to have a lot of childless white women in their 30s larping as "coaches" and talking about life lessons and wisdom, when it's clear they're just coping. Like the most unhappy woman you'll meet is the woman who is posting cringe social media quotes about the keys to happiness. If they put all those hours they waste scrolling and posting on social media into motherhood they'd have at least 3-4 children by now. They don't know what they're missing. Like even if you ask someone who scrolls social media all the time what they looked at an hour ago, or the previous day they very often struggle. Whereas when your child says their first word or takes their first step, you will always remember moments like that.

>>23137932
1. don't be obese
2. be nice
these 2 simple requirements are too high for most modern women, and many will undergo massive surgeries, develop an entire feminist ideological framework, and other astronomical coping mechanisms simply because they are incapable of one or the other of these two simple requirements.

>>23137952
this. it's simply them not being able to be nice. women think that being a modern woman, just means being a massive cunt all the time.

Men simply want a woman to be:
1. Not obese
2. Not a cunt

It's so easy for a woman to be marriage material. And yet they are massively failing.

>>23137969
India is a literal hell on earth.

learn to recognize pajeet threads. learn to stop giving (You)s, which end up as rupees, to OPs like this. jews pay pajeets to spam this board en masse with the same globohomo agenda that you're still associating with only jews. since 2023 you are much more likely to see jew noise posted by a pajeet. there are a hundred times as many pajeets as there are jews. if you want any part of the internet to survive, you must detect, reject and redeem pajeets everywhere you find them

EVERY PAJEET SAYS≈≈≈
>$45T stolen by britain ≈ abrahamic/desert/yahweh ≈ actually jews are cool ≈ age of consent ≈ AI singularity/waifu ≈ aryan ≈ booba/sexo/would ≈ built for bbc ≈ can't breed ≈ ceo doctor technology ≈ chang seething ≈ cherry picking ≈ christcucks ≈ consent is a western concept ≈ daily reminder ≈ eglin afb is behind it ≈ epstein files more important ≈ faustian spirit ≈ fentanyl ≈ full sapport for israel ≈ good morning ≈ help i'm fucking indian help me ≈ household income ≈ human capital ≈ hypergamy/[incel noises] ≈ i can pass for xyz ≈ indo-[whatever] ≈ [janny application] ≈ jidf is behind it ≈ model immigrants ≈ mom/sister on onlyfans ≈ कुछ भी महत्वपूर्ण नहीं है ≈ obsessed/rent-free ≈ october 7 ≈ [other ethnicity] is guilty of [pajeet thing] ≈ outcompete ≈ paganism is your real heritage ≈ [redditor noises] ≈ [report snitch squeal] ≈ reverse colonization/conquest ≈ saar ≈ send bobs/vagene ≈ slave morality ≈ stem skill issue ≈ super gay cock crazy ≈ thanks for the rupees jidf ≈ that's a paki ≈ timmy/timmies ≈ trvth nvke ≈ voted for it ≈ where are the jannies ≈ where should i move ≈ whiter than you ≈ why are white women white people like this ≈ you need us ≈ you will be extinct ≈ you won't do shit ≈ you worship xyz ≈ zindabad

>>23138052
You say that like it's a bad thing

pajeets should be posting on bharatchan and living on the subcontinent

>>23137931 (OP)
I was raised by an overbearing mother and I have three sisters, so I've had little to no desire to chase women even though I do find them attractive.

>>23138116
>women are oblivious
Woman argue feelings against time and gravity. Women think they're winning right up until they fall apart.
>woman had some self awareness
Tragically its rare. 5% are capable of this and well less than 1% are young enough to do anything about it. It's the very core of a high value woman. It's that spark that men look for and they always try to marry young.
>women need their dad or brother to step in
The oppressive patriarchy was a millennium of experience in keeping women safe and on track for a good life. Women sold their future for the here and now.

>>23137931 (OP)
She looks like someone put mascara on a balloon.

>>23138116
>It amazes me just how many women are oblivious to *why* they gradually became invisible to men.

I think most know they just think they can either manifest it not being an issue, complain loud enough to try and get social/evolutionary change or keep rolling for that 1% chance because it worked once for someone sometime.

>Such women need their dad or brother to step in and tell them that it will only get more difficult.

Doesn't help. My sister is 39 and is still wanting her own kids one day and will point to our grandma who had a kid at 42 as its not too late, completely ignoring that grandma being pregnant almost every 3 years since 17 probably helped and that the last 2 (at 37 and 42) were seen as miracles.

I am 32 and single but I don't want a relationship.

>>23138036
This no guy should ever get with a female over 28 unless they are in their late 50s and older and have no other choice if a female is over 28 and not in a relationship then they almost definitely have serious problems

>>23138117
>>23138118
Do you know how these women end up being cunty though? They're not born this way. It only occurred to me when I was in my mid 30s. I took a good look at my social circle:

>married 10 years, both lost virginity to each other
Very happy marriage, my friend's wife is genuinely lovely.
>one previous "partner" each before marriage
In this case they were in failed "long term" relationships prior to meeting each other. She's a little bit cunty sometimes, but it's tolerable, she's only intolerable when she has a bit too much wine
>she lost virginity to guy who she was the "other woman"
massive cunt, and the only reason the guy she married is still with her is because he was a virgin when he met her and he idealises her.
I think once you start getting into situations where multiple men just bail on her (after she was hoping for a relationship) or multiple cases of cheating, women just get super fucking cunty and there is a point (especially as they age) where it's like a point of no return. She will not change, her experiences have informed her that this is just how men are and there is a period where because they're still attractive, men still put their dick in them but it just reinforces her beliefs (because such men are just using her for sex because she's a cunt).

>>23138127
The only time I've seen women manage to just pull it off (where they're married in their early thirties then at least have a child or two) has been due to the men close to them. But those men were giving tough love, sometimes women really need it. Men can use reason to convince other men. With women, since they like to use emotion to reach a conclusion, very often reason isn't enough, you need to evoke strong emotions and then later after that you use reason. It's retarded but they really can't reason themselves out of situations they didn't reason themselves into.

>>23138129
I think they're also used to just "putting themselves out there" and then men doing all the work.

>>23137931 (OP)
She is not lonely because of lack of suitors, she is lonely because of her standards.
She wants a prince charming who probably earns just as much or a lot more than her. Someone who will completely take care of her, not only work and make all them oney but do chores around the house, basically adopt her like a child.
Women are children, once their daddy is gone they need another man to play the role, they just call that man a husband.

Whats worse, women like her don't even have enough respect for men to look their best, do you think she diets, works out, actually puts in real effort to look good? No. And they know men are visual. They don't respect you.

>>23137975
>supporting their partners through daily challenges and emotional turmoil
What in the fuck is the point of a relationship if not this? Why are women so indignant when you ask them to bring one single goddamn thing to the table?

>>23137931 (OP)
I still don't believe in male loneliness. Men being alone, sure, but not lonely. You can't be a man and be lonely. It's antithetical to being male.

>>23137935
What's a business growth expert you say? Let me consult my junk folder
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>>23137953
>tower of babel
We're living in it now, friend.

>>23138119
>India is a literal hell on earth.
That's what jeets literally believe. Being reincarnated in India is a form of punishment. So what do they do with that? Act like jeets of course.

>>23137931 (OP)
Any well adjusted and desirable man in his late 30s to early 40s is fucking women 20 years younger than them. Nobody needs this ugly fat old ethnic cunt with made up make believe job

Emotionally unavailable man is a codename for: A chad that only wanted sex and have some fun, but had no intention of actually put in effort from the get go to committing to a woman.
Women are getting fucking rekd. They are willingly turning a blind eye. They know Chad is out of their league, they see the red flags, but they choose to ignore them. Then they complain things turn out exactly how predicted.
Insane.

>>23138139
Exactly. I'm the oldest woman I've ever been with is 25-26. There is no way in hell I would actually commit to full on relationship with a 30+ year old woman.
By the time we get married and start trying for a child she would be in geriatric pregnancy and probably birth a down.

>>23138056
Talk about projection and delusions kek it so easy to get girls in their prime in my 40s still easy I’m a chad light though especially ethnic girls really easy to get them they always think I’m younger than what I am and get even more attracted when they find out really must suck being your age and having to compete with older men and chads these days seems like younger girls are going for older men more than they ever have

>>23137942
Why do women act like upstanding Christian men literally don't exist anymore?

>>23137942
Women don't deserve better anyway.

>>23137942
>emotional labor
I remember a time before feminism where this was called "caring about someone and loving them"

>>23138025
This the number of females that fit this description is growing every day to a ridiculous degree they are the mids and below they say Ryan gossling is average and really do think so they have gaslit themselves to such an extent that they have zero understanding of reality anymore

I'd fit all that.
>Not a booze addict
>Not a gym rat, I just like to keep in shape but that does not mean daily hour long workouts
>mid 30's
>I don't mind being the shoulder to rely on so people can talk for hours and vent.
Here's the difference though snowflake.. I don't care about you and I never will so take your dreams and push another late night shift so shekelstein can be happy that you worked your ass off while you still could and got too old.
No refunds on that scholarship

>>23137931 (OP)
another ultra low effort /r9k/ thread protected on /pol/ because the moderation are paid to do it

>>23138085
You don't want that vodka anon. Trust me. Being a cold emotional manipulator sounds nice and cool until you can't control it , it takes over your mind and the worst is when you actually find a girl that loves you and cares for you and one day you wake up and you are bored by she and don't feel shit. It's a fucking curse and I hate it . Don't get me wrong, it's funny as hell to manipulate others until you start fucking yourself over

>>23138092
White women age the absolute worst but look the best when young very few age well when they do though they are golden but it’s so few of them it’s crazy the number of 5’2 perfect skinny perfect body girls I’ve seen turn into bridge trolls is beyond disheartening

>>23138139
>>23138141
Must be a lot easier in Eastern Europe

>>23137931 (OP)
I'm playing HoMM 3, thanks for asking

>>23138095
if you meet a woman that wants to have kids later in life, just remind them they probably would not have be a good mother. They know. Their mothers were horrible to them and that's why they turned out this way. It's the ultimate blackpill for women. It's acceptable to say most men wouldn't' be good fathers, but it's never even whispered that most women are terrible mothers.

>>23138152
I'm waiting for Witcher 4

>>23137942
Treating women like shit is GTO

>>23137931 (OP)
Ugly mutt, 1/10, rejected.

>>23137931 (OP)
You didn't snitch, did you, bro?! This is guy code 101 - do not tell the girls where we're hanging out. You saw what they did to the bars and the clubs, and notice she doesn't want to go to the gym; another establishment ruined by women!

We're going to Pottery Barn if she asks - let's start a trend of staged videos at random non-manly hangouts like they are the crucible of male activity, only to bait desperate, lonely women.

It can be like Pokémon Go ("Pokémon Bro"?), except the boys are already gone by the time the women get there to film for TikTok.

>>23137942
>narc gym bros
AKA
>the only type of man that will hold my fatass to any standards and will call me out directly on my bs

>>23137931 (OP)
lady posts this like it's normal to be single in your 30s-40s

>>23138103
Yeah that makes no sense at all he should have just fucked sugar babies why any man would do that for any reason beyond financial reasons makes zero sense

>>23137931 (OP)
>"Where are the acceptable 30-40 men?!"
Snatched decades ago by more future-savy women.
First come, first serve: you decided to wait for no good reason and are now left with the men no other women wanted.

>>23138161
Dude look at her. She wasn't waiting; she was skipped on.

>>23137931 (OP)
We're at home, enjoying hobbies, taking care of ourselves, reading books, planning our futures, scrolling through idol posts on IG and making omelets.

Don't call or come over. I don't pick up the phone or open the door.

>>23138095
Yeah, if I wanted to make my "I Gotta be Me" video for the world to see, my first choice for a backdrop would be the ride share dropoff at a two star hotel.

What the fuck is wrong with women?

>>23137931 (OP)
I work, then come home and work on my side hustle as the kids call it, then on my one day off I do trail maintenance in national forests.
Oh, thats too boring and uncool for the 4/10 brown eyed brown haired roastie whos done having fun and ready to settle down?

>>23137969
>normal_evening_Indianfeminist.webm
i'm confused
is she going to the prom with him or not?

>>23138102
>the politeness of boston
>the purity of tijuana

>>23138013
>I think loneliness means something totally different for men and women.
Picrel. Women do not want to be content, they want to be 24/7 euphoric.

>>23138161
That's just not true. 30 is the new 20 dumb boomer

>>23138169
hahaha holy shit it's over for you already and you refuse to admit it

>>23137942
simply just dont care
yes so much that not even the emptionally distant category would be adequate
why the fuck do these retards think they HAVE to BE with someone else ?
can't they just go alone and build their own character ?
even this post you reposted is just attention whoring wrapped in a few different brands of larp
if they could just care about themselves and stop "looking for mating partners" constantly, they would be able to develop actual character and through this become able to match to the person they actually are compatible with

>>23137942
>posted nearly a decade ago
I wonder what the dating pool for hags looks like?

>>23137931 (OP)
trash
and the melanin isn't even the only issue here
(being this brown is a no go for me either way)

>>23137969
That is a 16 year old girl being stabbed and bludgeoned to death while the crowd passes by. Indians are demons made flesh.

>>23138149
I get what you're saying, but I still would pick that over being a lonely sad cunt or getting swindled by any random thot that gives me any attention.

>>23137931 (OP)
also they need to have a 6 pack and make 180k/year

>>23137940
THERE'RE NO FEMCEL SPINSTERS,
ONLY FEMCEL THORNBACKS!

>>23138134
You seem to be confused anon. Relationships for women are the man taking on all her burdens in addition to his own. In the modern woman's mind, once in a committed relationship, she is absolved of all responsibility of outcomes and considers herself to be in complete control of all decisions. The man at this stage is a paycheck and a doormat. His only existence is to provide, and take all the blame for her decisions.

>>23138162
>Dude look at her. She wasn't waiting; she was skipped on.
No matter her appearance, all women have at least 1 suitor at a point in their life that they have passed on.

>>23138107
https://archive.is/wPp88

>>23138180
I've known so many kind shy guys my age when I was a teenager and in my early 20s, and most of them were single. They'd melt if any girl started being kind to them, it's on the whores if they're alone today. Support the guys when they're 16 or 18, don't ride the cock carousel and act surprised when at 30 they don't want you.

>>23137949
If you can't depict a pig wearing clothing in a children's book doing that job without a description, it's not a real job.

>>23137931 (OP)
>What about female loneliness?
You're now at the half way point of life asking why men your age don't give a shit about you. Guys from your past got no love or support, men you didn't know will just view you as a stranger. Neither group has a reason to care about you, just like you won't go out of your way to help the drug addicted homeless in your area.


>>23138025
Funny becuase my experience was the opposite. Women scoffed at marrying early and dating seriously. For them youth was to be enjoyed, and that meant marriage and her husband, would be relegated to the part of life when her youth was used up.
Who the fuck wants that system where you arne't good enough to be in the fun phase, but you are good enough to be chosen for the monotonous phase, the expensive phase, the settle down phase.

Women may peak early, but life is long and you can't beat me in a war of attition since men either get used to being alone or blow their brains out.

>>23137931 (OP)
This is why giving women power was a mistake, they have no accountability, it's always the mans fault. The only women I know who doesn't treat her man badly is my sister, and I have no clue how that happened since there's no way she's following after our mom. But even then, she still has panic attacks and heckin' anxiety, even though she doesn't work, will never need to work, has her husband and our parents paying off her college debt, and he has constant work where a one week job brings in 50k. But oh ho ho, being a woman is le heckin hard! She also cries about loneliness and then in her next breath will talk about how she made a new friend at my nephews art class, lmfao. Women are insane.

>>23137935
90% of jobs in the US are middle management and consultants, none of them actually do anything. Musk fired 90% of facebook staff and nobody noticed. Because the grunts who keep it all running are still there. Fuck they may even work more efficient now because they don't have to attend pointless meetings with middle management roasties and consultants.

Same shit with HR, thats not a real job, their function is boss eyecandy.

>>23138185
Pills. All women are junkies, the pill is a jewish invention that annihilates their brain chemistry. Also women compare themselves to other women constantly, and you're saying she is alone a lot since she doesn't work, meaning she spends hours upon hours looking at thots on instagram and getting jealous, so get her off social media of any kind, block all of those and delete all her accounts.

Women are meant for social and busywork, so if you want her to be happy, she needs to be doing simple chores around the house, take care of the kids (you didn't mention any, so I guess the guy hasn't put a child in her yet but he should) and if possible meet non-whorish women to gossip femoid bullshit with them.

Women are animals, with a small simple list of demands that must be filled if you don't want shitting outside the litter box and clawing the sofa. She must be pregnant, not on the pill, have no social media and have constant simple repetitive busywork. Keeping her doing nothing is a recipe for disaster, she WILL cheat and she WILL say it's her husband's fault for "not being there".

>>23138186
>facebook

>>23137931 (OP)

No matter how lonely I get I'll never want to be with one of these.

That's a kike

>>23137931 (OP)
>What about female loneliness?
Women are surrounded by such men. Hundreds of thousands of them.
They literally can't see them because they don't consider them boyfriend material, they just aren't good looking enough, they just don't want them.
Women only "see" the top 5% of men. Everyone else is completely invisible.
It's already too late though for women who are in their mid 30s. Men have a similar blindness for older women. Men don't "see" them because their looks are now fading, signalling faltering fertility.

>>23137931 (OP)
>where are all the doughy incels that never have fun?
they hate you is where they are.

>>23138184
>Who the fuck wants that system where you arne't good enough to be in the fun phase, but you are good enough to be chosen for the monotonous phase, the expensive phase, the settle down phase.

The dating dynamics are also totally ruined. Instead of having a careless time and taking the time to know each other, you are forced to start dating with high expectations and demands, which literally kills the vibe.

>>23137931 (OP)
>emotionally available men
that's just woman code for >does whatever I say and I can walk all over him

>>23137931 (OP)
Their lamentation amuses me.

>>23137935
You cant put "CEOs mistress" as your job title

>>23138067
>Once they say I love you,
When lying in bed (where else?) they'd say something like, "I feel so safe here."
Kiss of death, where my travelin' shoes?

>>23137942
Chads though?

>>23137931 (OP)
>Caring about women
That's what got us into this mess.

>>23137931 (OP)
Btw what does it mean when a girl just starts talking with you, asking you how have you been and all that when i politely talk with her via the romanian equivalent of ma'am and i give monosilabic answers?

>>23137942
Never show emotion to any human unless it's wrath while you're beating them to death. They all sense it as weakness.

>>23137932

There needs to be adequate violence to ensure that they know their place

>>23137942

Maybe if women were better mothers instead of girlbosses we wouldn't be in this situation

>>23137936
>since she isn't a looker herself
understatement, she is clearly hideous beneath this bucket of paint

>>23137955
>Damn, she's gettin' her Buttersworth.

>>23137935
it's a fake job, just an alternate form of welfare propped up by printed money

I'd rather be lonely than deal with that hag

>>23138140
>They know Chad is out of their league, they see the red flags, but they choose to ignore them. Then they complain things turn out exactly how predicted.

I disagree entirely. Women gleefully join Chad's harem because every single one of them genuinely believes they're going to be the one chad discards his harem to marry. It never occurs to any of them that chad can at most only marry one of them, or can just opt to never marry and cycle out slampigs as they age out. This is a lottery that has worse odds the older you get but they'll never stop buying tickets. They'll firebomb a stable marriage with their beta bux at 36, because they seriously believe chad will "come to his senses" and over look the legion of 20 year olds after him for her busted ass. What's really funny is that even for those lucky few who do win the lottery, they spend every waking moment of their lives looking for a way to jump ship for super chad.

>>23137932
I'd prefer if she drop the act all together and just stop talking

>>23137931 (OP)
>>23137951
The fact that I'm the age range for these people saddens me greatly.

>>23137942
I'm guessing for this chick, any man that's ever jerked it is a "porn addict", any that have displayed any emotion is "sensitive", any gym bro with a semblance of self-confidence is a "narcissist" and the last two are actual Chads that aren't into her and, finally, date rapists.

>>23137931 (OP)
>life on tutorial mode
>give every guy in vicinity resting bitchface
>reject decent guys
>only fuck gigaabusechad until 30
>demand wealthy guy pay full price for your used up stanky STD pussy and abandoned chadrone spawn.
>>23137942
that dumb bitch is literally telling on herself as to who she fucks.
She likes to fuck porn addicts, psychos and manipulators kek. Just go get some boxed wine, cats and a dildo and be done you stupid foid.

>>23138211
Bro. I got told I was "too sensitive" by a girl I was dating because it was Remembrance Day and they showed a pic of my friend who was shot in the neck clearing a stairwell in Afghanistan and I teared up.
I fucking hate foids.

>>23138172
>nearly a decade ago

>>23138142
Fucking dipshit. You're a wallet for women, nothing else.
>Chad light
Lmao. Simp cuck. Keep paying for their shit

>>23137959

>>involuntary childless

Heh... inchels.

>>23137951
if you're a non-virgin, you can recognize what makes being a woman hard

Women have to give up a degree of autonomy and self determination to fulfill almost all forms of peak femininity, guys for thier part have to then sustain and protect that surrender in an ever changing world

its growing pains you can dull with the internet and medication and changing from it without a real world reference point is hard

>>23139492
>Women have to give up a degree of autonomy and self determination to fulfill almost all forms of peak femininity,

They do not, they do all this to compete with other women

Women are picky look at dating apps

Men will literally get head from a toothless crackhead

>>23137931 (OP)
>Emotionally available
I'm out
>doesn't base entire life around booze
I'm double out.

Good thing I don't give a fuck lmao. Divorced and content.

>>23139594
God are women really this bad

>>23137942
how did i get 4/4???

>>23137951
Interesting how they all want kids "someday" but are basically pushing 40. Also understanding women is simple when you realize they always think someone better might come along. The problem is most are not capable of landing that person but social media has gaslighted them into thinking they're higher than they are.