is it an actual flavor, feels like something weebs came up with to feel more sugoi and kawaii desu

Yes, umami is real, when will you stop shitting up the board with these threads you dumb virgin.

What would the 5th taste sense have been called if an English speaking scientist had discovered it?
Because if "savory" for those specific receptors then suddenly a word would have been missing for the old meaning of the word. What would pickles then taste like? My vote goes to kroxildyffific from that South Park episode (it is a hard word to spell)

>>21388741
He just loves getting btfo.

>>21388737 (OP)
It's savory and that's the last word on it.

>>21388763
Retard thinks a category of foods is the same thing as a primary taste. You are an idiot, and THAT is the final word.

>>21388737 (OP)
do we really need this thread every single week. what answer are you waiting to hear that nobody has posted the last several times you made this thread? at this point, everybody has taken their stance on this and I don't think anybody's going to be swayed. it pretty much comes down to whether you think savory is a specific taste, or a broader category of tastes (hint: it's the latter)

>>21388775
It's really so obvious. Anyone in disagreement is either purposefully obtuse, or lacks critical thinking skills.

>>21388781
>Anyone in disagreement is either purposefully obtuse, or lacks critical thinking skills.
I'm pretty sure it's the former. they think they're too cool to use a Japanese loan word so they have to desperately try to convince themselves that savory has a different definition than how everybody else defines it. and at this point they're dug in too deep to admit they're wrong so they'll just keep doubling down.

>>21388790
It's a simple misunderstanding between a category of foods and a primary taste. It's really not difficult. Some people seem to really love denying basic biology.

>>21388781
>anyone who disagrees with my narrative is a stupid dumb imbecile
nice strawman

>>21388737 (OP)
>desu, sugoi, kawaii

Did you call someone else weebs????
Thanks for not posting anime.

>>21388737 (OP)
Hey, it's this fucking thread again

>>21388873
it is a strawman, retard

please read a book on fallacies lol

bump

>>21388737 (OP)
>feels like something weebs came up with to feel more sugoi and kawaii desu
In the anti-racist world, if you practice Japanese culture, you are Japanese. "Weeb" is a regressive slur.

>>21389336
why?

>>21389256
False dillema + ad hominem

Retarded idiot go read your own book.

>>21388741
>umami is real
But nobody actually believes that

>>21389356
wrong

>>21388737 (OP)
the last thread hasn't even fallen off the archive yet, why don't you just go read that for your answer >>21373495

we really don't need this fucking thread AGAIN

I'm expecting that samefag SOYIENCE tranime fag from the last thread to come back and samefag some more.

>>21389360
False

>>21389595
I lose a lot of respect for any youtube chef that uses the word.
BTW I never heard chef JP say it.

>>21388737 (OP)
no umami is a load of bullshit

>>21388737 (OP)
MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM Umami!

This thread is umamichad winners taking a victory lap vs. Seething losers crying about their loss. I see many many rent free posts already, and it makes the victory even sweeter.

FACT.

>>21389706
why are you speaking as if there's more than one of you?

>>21389709
I came here to state a fact. I will not be quibbling with the poor and disenfranchised savorycels. Sorry! K? Lol!

>>21388737 (OP)
Yes it's real, it's the Japanese word for what in English would be called meaty or nutty or rich but encompasses that sensation into one word.

>>21388753
>>21388763
>>21388775

Savory is completely different from what umami is used to refer to. Salty, sweet, bitter and sour are referred to as primary tastes because they broadly categorize things. Something can be salty and sweet or salty and sour, or bitter or bitter and sweet etc. Umami got adopted along with those because the meaty, nutty, protien sensation fits into that and descibes a base taste that the others don't. An unseasoned steak or an almond aren't really either salty, sweet, bitter or sour. So similarly, something can be just umami or sour and umami, sweet and umami etc.

Savory is a word used to describe something where the primary flavour is not sweet. Almost always it referrs to foods flavored with herbs and spices such as the herb savory. Obviously something can be umami and savory. If you take a piece of fried chicken and sprinkle garlic powder and oregano on it you now have a piece of chicken which is savory as well as umami. If you took that same piece of chicken and dipped it in honey, it is not savory it is then sweet an umami. Same with pecan pie. No one would ever call pecan pie savory, but it's definitely umami. Savory isn't a primary taste the way the others are, it's a much more specific description of how something is flavored.

>>21389715
There will be zero good faith attempts to refute this post. Just watch.

>>21389734
Of course, because they're all made by the same ESL programmed bots that can't learn. They just spew the same word salad garbage every time.

>>21389744
It actually makes perfect sense that there would be anti japanese bots on an alt right anime website.

OOOOH MAMI I HECKIN LOVE OOOH MAMI OH MY FAUCI TRUST THE SOYENCE BECAUSE YOU JUST SHOULD, OKAY?!

>>21389842
Thanks for your concession, but what does it add to the thread that early?

Literally just means savory

>>21389952
Yes because the child needs a name.
NOw in context of the taste senses the word is a technical term for specific receptors.
In normal Japanese it is an everyday word meaning delicious, hearty.

>>21389715
>umami can be any taste
How is that a real taste then? It seems very subjective. A sweet pie can be umami but a seasoned cooked piece of meat can also be umami? They don’t taste anything alike. How does that make sense?

>>21389952
Yes.
>>21389980
>In normal Japanese it is an everyday word meaning delicious, hearty.
Imagine raping two languages at once because of your disgusting fetishization of japs, and admitting to it too. You will NOT see a good faith argument from a millennial tranime addict.

>>21389990
in the same way balsamic vinegar and orange juice can both be sour. its a broad category.

>>21389990
Flavor/sensation from glutamate, inosinate, and guanylate rich foods.

Sweet or salty foods can have these compounds present in them. Certain wines and sakes are high in glutamates.

If youve ever had instant ramen and notice how they all sort of have a similar brothy meaty sort of taste that is umami from the glutamate, inosinate and guanylate they add in copious amounts.

>>21388741
>umami
how does it taste like

>>21390077
It's supposed to taste savory according to the idiots here but it doesnt actually exist.

It have been proven umami is the taste you feel when you have worms.
If you don't have worms you cant taste umami

>>21390077
Like a whole mass of things that taste nothing alike, consult the OP pic.

>>21390087
So youre saying all the umami guys here eat LGBTQ ass?

>>21390095
So.... it's a taste.... that has no taste.... there's a million things that have "umami" and none of them taste the same? they think we're stupid lol.

>>21390102
Describe the taste of salt without using the word salt or salty.

>>21390121
Like dry seawater.

>>21390128
kek

>>21390098
seems so.

>>21390128
Okay, so umami tastes like the broth you get after steeping seaweed and dried/smoked fish in water for a little while. Done and done.

>>21390133
Who the fuck eats boiled seaweed and fish LOL. You are fucking disgusting.

>>21390087
>>21390098
>thought this was some kind of trolling
>look it up
>it's actually true

When people say, and said in the past "I prefer savory foods" they were never, ever, refering to all flavours excluding sweet. They always think meaty, toasty, mushroomy etc. No normal person thnks of citric acid as savory.

>>21390145
Not an argument. Bad faith reply.
Umami taste described.
Another easy win for umamichads.

Dashi stock is one of the foundational stocks in Japanese cuisine. It tastes like bacon broth. Not fishy at all. It's delicious.
If you have had miso soup you have probably had dashi stock.

>>21390152
MFW I eat something savory

>>21390152
See
>>21389715

>>21390154
>Japanese cuisine

Uh oh. I said the J word. Time for 12 children to have a temper tantrum!

>>21390027
So two sour things are alike because they’re both sour but a pecan pie is sweet and a seasoned cooked piece of chicken is savory yet somehow a pecan pie and a seasoned cooked piece of chicken are both umami? It sounds like umami is whatever you want it to be.

>>21390154
>It tastes like bacon broth.
Who the fuck is boiling bacon. If you're trying to describe a fundamental taste to someone you dont say shit like "it tastes like the fermented strands of lubic hair plucked from my uncle's left nutsack." That's fucking disgusting. Nobody has tried it before, and nobody is interested in trying it.
Seawater, like that anon said, makes sense to describe salty. I personally would have said pretzels. Nobody wants your stinky boiled bacon, boiled fish, boiled seaweed tranime food. Umami isn't a real taste, which is why you're pointing to the most absurd food nobody has ever eaten it, so you can further obscure your points, and make your points more mysterious and vague. Nobody is falling for this shit bro.

>>21390165
The guy youre replying to is retarded. Yesterday he was trying to argue that the jelly you put in a PBJ is savory. And he also said hot honey chicken ISN'T savory.

>>21390167
Yep another triggered response. I played by his rules to describe umami. It's really that simple.
Dry seawater doesnt describe the actual taste of salt either. It was creative, but not truly descriptive of the flavor of salt.

>>21390177
Seawater and pretzels are things everybody has tasted. Only you have tasted your uncle's perforated left nutsack that's been left to boil for 72 hours. You are intentionally being obtuse because you dont want your tranime illusions to be shattered.

>>21390181
>Bad faith, immature response typical of umamilets.

Dashi stock is the most used stock in japanese cooking. Apologies that youre ignorant of that.

>>21390184
Nobody here is Japanese, and you will never be Japanese regardless of how much crossdressing Jap ass you eat, worm swallower.

>>21390184
How can a sweet pecan pie and a salty savory fish broth both be umami? They taste nothing alike.

Okay, well that was too easy.

Who's next? Take a shot at describing salt without using the word salt or salty. Not salty foods but salt itself. Surely salt taste exists? Right?

>>21390201
They both contain glutamate and or inosinate and or guanylate. These three compounds are what produce the umami taste. Similar to how the sodium and chloride ions produce the salty taste/sensation on the tongue.

>>21390202
>coping so hard that you have to move the goalpost to impossible scenarios
If only 5 flavors exist and umami is one of them, surely you could taste it would boiling rotten fish for 72 hours.
Now describe what talking is without using any words or symbols at all.

>>21390208
having a chemical =/= having a flavor
If i add one spec of salt to a whole chicken, will the chicken taste salty? No, not at all.

>>21390216
>describe salt taste
>lists salty foods
>describe umami taste
>list umami foods
>REEEEEEEEEEEEE NOOOO YUCKY FISHY!!!

Take msg and put it on your tongue. Its even better if you add some inosinate and guanylate powder to the msg.

How incredibly stupid are you? You must be a bot.

>>21390208
No one is going to say chicken and pecan pie taste similar.

>>21390224
Of course. Umami rich foods have a lot of glutamate inosinate and/or guanylate.

You can make anything sour if you add enlugh vinegar.

>>21390241
Can you make anything umami if you add enough MSG?

>>21390245
Yes. Just like salt sour bitter or sweet. It may taste like absolute shit but it will have umami taste.

>>21390234
No major grocery store sells MSG

>>21390260
Aji no moto umami seasoning in the asian aisle, brother.

>>21390260
My advice is to learn what foods are rich in umami molecules and use those. Mix a high glutamate food like parmesan or tomatoes with a high guanylate ingredient like shiitake. Guanylate potentiates the perceived umami from glutamate by around 8 times.

>>21390277
>eat pizza
That’s all you had to say.

>>21390284
Classic. Knowing how to use umami properly can really improve your cooking. Sometimes by simply adding a couple dried shiitakes into soup you can turn a 6/10 soup into an 8 or 9/10 kinda soup.

>>21390284
Here. Check out this list. Combine high glutamate foods with high inosinate and/or guanylate foods and you'll see what umami is all about. It can be fun to try different unconventional combos from this list. Be sure to balance out the umami and salty with some acidity or spicy. Too much umami is not good without proper balance.

>>21388737 (OP)
No. It's just weeb garbage. Faggots who are obsessed with anime using a nip word for savory to act cool.

>>21390332
Pecan pie is not on that list.

>>21390386
You are correct. It is a non exhaustive list. Nuts are pretty high in glutamate, especially walnuts.

>>21390399
Chocolate cake isn’t on the list but it’s umami

>>21390411
So true! Certain teas also have glutamate.

Try adding dried shiitake powder to your chocolate cake mix and make it taste like meat!

umami is so TENOIIII

>>21388763
/thread

>>21390548
Chocolate cake isn't savory yet it is still umami. Explain that.

>>21390586
The moon is made out of cheese yet cheese is still umami. Explain that.

>>21389633

>>21390592
Now you're just being silly because you know you've lost. Run along, little one.

>>21388764
It's not a category of foods. Hope that helps.

"Umami" is like "fishy." Your wife's pussy is fishy. My wife's pussy is umami.

>>21390732
Prove it.

>>21390757
My wife's pussy tastes kinda salty and sometimes kinda pissy since she has a full bush. I like it

>>21390765
The post that shook the world.

lmao oohmamafags on suicide watch right now

>remains unproven

Umami is real, but cheap Nova Scotia donairs do it better than anything Japanese.

>>21391162
>eating pussy is gay

Get the fuck out of here, Tate. You'll never please a woman and only disappoint those you pay for.

>>21390332
Not just any green tea, get a nice vegetal gyokuro. It's a very strange tea, but you'll definitely taste it.

>>21391162
Nah

>>21392025
>please bully me, I am a pathetic groveling worm who wants to be put out of his misery

>>21392970
>being presented with pussy is getting bullied
You are the gayest faggot on Earth

>>21390077
It's just savory. MSG, salt, fish oil, soy sauce pick your favorite saline and combine it with a lipid. Breast milk so umami uwu

>>21391162
Yeah, eating pussy is leftist because rightoids suck jewish cock.

>>21392981
Wrong. Tomatoes are sweet and are very high in umami.

>>21392991
>homosexual fantasies about kikes
holy shit you're not even hiding it

>>21392981
Breast milk is very high in glutamate. You are correct.

>>21389715
just because you want to retcon the meaning of savory doesn’t mean it’s true. umami is a weeby way of saying savory, and it’s an easy way to tell if someone is a faggot if they use it, similar to “maillard reaction” vs “browning”

>>21390260
It also goes by accent, it’s been in walmart forever

I think the issue with "umami" is that it is almost always associated with MSG, which has little to no flavor of its own, and really only functions by triggering involuntary un- or subconscious responses when humans are exposed to it. Which makes sense, because MSG is literally a protein, and when you coat a food with it to the exclusion of other things, your tongue WILL notice, just like the other bacteria and various whatsits that your chromosomes manufactured, and for a brief moment, you will feel happy, like a heroin addict. And then you will realize that your food didn't actually have any nutritional value. There was no protein in that meal you gave to your husband and kids. You put MSG in there because you didn't want them to cry themselves to sleep again.
And that was before it was mandatory to give all girls post-birth abortions in this country.

>>21393049
Try forming a real argument or directly refute his argument. Why is it seemingly impossible for any anti umami person to formulate an argument more complex than "because I say so?"

It is not a retcon either. Savory as a category exists like it always has. It deacribes food that are not sweet. Now there is a specific word for the primary taste that was proven through study of the human taste receptors. The debate within the food science world came to an end after it was found there were specific umami taste receptors on the tongue just like the other primary tastes.

>>21393063
Guanylate and inosinate have a strong flavor, especially when combined with msg. Hard to describe, but it tastes deeply meaty, rich, and brothy. If you taste a powdered mix of the three you will immediately notice how similar the taste is to instant ramen seasoning.

You are correct that msg on its own tastes like nothing and mildly shitty.

>>21393072
it is also a synonym for umami in english. I suppose I agree that umami exists, but it’s just called savory in english unless you’re a tryhard faggot.

>>21393102
That's fine. Some of us try and some of us try harder. We are just different. The entire premise of these threads is usually if the fifth primary taste, umami, even exists. Somehow people don't believe it exists when there is hard evidence that it does.

>>21388753
Skrimpton

>>21393119
its called savory weeb

>>21393381
>Add some MSG for that savory weeb taste

>>21393381
Okay, boomer.

>>21393613
I'm not even old

>>21393642
No shit. You are 12, but your attitude and health are boomer tier.

>>21393699
>namecalling
ok 12 year old

>>21393714
>no u

You act like one.

>>21393722
You ARE one.