Thread 21405271

Visiting my dad for father's day and his knives are full as fuck
He's not up to getting a whetstone and being autistic about knife care. In previous years I have sharpened his knives but I have a million other things to do at his place these days.
Has anyone on /ck/ had a good experience with these doohickeys? I'm going to get one to try out.

> full as fuck

yes they work and are easy to use. i have one. a bunch of try hards here will tell you its not good for knives but its better than having them not cut anything

>>21405271 (OP)
>In previous years I have sharpened his knives but I have a million other things to do at his place
You're not obligated to maintain your parents house. Just be nice and do what you can because you want to, but he too is an adult and if his brain still works he already sees the shit that needs to get done too.

They're not good sharpeners, they can work okay but if he lets his knives get actually dull, he doesn't care how sharp his knives are and it'll end up in the junk drawer.

>>21405274
Sorry it isn't really chores per se, I mean he wants to go to the racetrack, then he wants to visit a brewery and then he wants to go for a rip in his cobra. My dad is awesome but he doesn't respect his knives much.
>>21405272
I'll probably get him it and if it fucks up his knives I'll get him a new set

I've never understood people sharpening knives. I am still using ones that were purchased at town & country in the late 70s.

You don't need to sharpen good knives.

>>21405271 (OP)
>Has anyone on /ck/ had a good experience with these doohickeys?
I have one. It works fine for what I use it for, which is once in a blue moon running through my generic knives when I find they can't cut through tomato properly. If you're not a professional chef cutting for 12 hours a day it will be fine.

>>21405278
There are no tools for any application that never require sharpening. Drill bits, chisels, planes, saws, axes, anything that cuts anything will dull. I understand what you are posting is bait, but I also work with some dumb boomers who take 11 years to drill holes because their bits are full as fucks "I got the tungsten carbine ones!!". Meanwhile I hook up my drill doctor, and can perform more work in 1 hour than many do in 4. Then they steal my tools. It's all so tiresome.

>>21405271 (OP)
they work great on most knives, knifefags just reeee about them because they'll chip the fuck out of japanese or porcelain knives, or do something stupid like try running a single bevel blade through one. euro or american knives go fine through them.

>>21405290
Not bait at all. I think you guys are too picky or act like you are too picky and that you think you got to cut through a pineapple like butter for some reason.

You act like an obsessive guy waxing his car every few days. That's probably what it is with you. An obsession. They don't need to be sharpened unless you literally grinded them into stone for some reason.

I can just see you putting your nose in the air and demanding that your knives be sharp or I'm not going to work in this kitchen. I hear you thinking "I am so much better than you"

Then I laugh at your mental illness. OK, I was exaggerating some, but seriously... you don't need to sharpen a good knife. Get ceramic if you care so much.

>>21405277
>My dad is awesome but he doesn't respect his knives much.
Yeah, don't buy him a knife sharpener when you know he'll never use it. Just sharpen his knives as a favor, its for his safety if they're actually dull.

I'm not shitposting; if you're a super autist about knives but they're still serviceable for a home-gamer, I hope you can recognize that. Not every knife has to be razor sharp to chop an onion for the Sunday supper.

>>21405278
the only way you can hold this opinion is if you rarely, if ever, actually cook

>>21405307
Right, which brand of knives do you have?

>>21405321
I thought I said. Town & Country by Washington Forge.

>>21405307
You're severely retarded and I hope you cut your finger off with your shitty dull knife

>>21405328
Post dice

>>21405320
Super thin knives never really need sharpening, but they suck to use compared to proper well made knives. Dude is huge dumbass.

>>21405271 (OP)
They fucking suck
1. Get a honing steel instead, they do the exact same thing those are purported to do except they actually work and don't ruin the life of your knives
2. Store your knives properly, e.g. don't throw them into a drawer like a retard. Get a knife rack or storage block, otherwise the edges will dull or chip from clashing with all the other shit in the drawer.
3. When you're done using your knife, don't throw them in the sink or they'll dull/chip just like if they were put in a drawer. You should hand wash them as well, technically there are some knives that can be put in some dishwashers but the risks of corrosion, warping, and dulling/chipping aren't worth it.
I'd also second what >>21405274 said - he obviously doesn't give a shit or has no idea how to take care of a knife, so if he doesn't care then just take any high quality knives he has as an early inheritance and don't worry about it.

>>21405271 (OP)
the biggest problem with pull-through sharpeners is that they remove much more metal compared to whetstones. But, unless you own expensive knives, who cares? it would still take decades to completely ruin a knife (at worst, it just become smaller over time).
Apart from that, they usually do the job. Your knives would never be razor sharp, bur still reasonably sharp enough for almost every kitchen task. And the sharpening literally takes just a few seconds. Just buy a model from a reputable brand and you should be fine.
If you don't mind spending more than $100, you can consider an electric sharpener like pic related, which is a better option.

>>21405271 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSv3gS4tV_8
get one of these ikea pull through sharpeners. they are close enough to what a whetstone would do to the edge.
the carbide pull throughs arent good for the knife and dont do a great job at sharpening anyway

>>21405271 (OP)
What >>21405555 said
Just get him the Trizor XV Edgeselect and be done with it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4SitQ0cknc
https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/reviews/best-knife-sharpening-tool/
https://www.amazon.com/ChefsChoice-EdgeSelect-Professional-Sharpener-Sharpening/dp/B0018RSEMU
^$110 used on Amazon right now.

>>21405573
those Chef's Choice electric sharpeners are the best combination of sharpening quality and convenience. that's why they're widely used in professional kitchens.
the only problem is that they are expensive.
after messing with whetstones for some time I bit the bullet and bought one of those. Never coming back.

What kind of shit blades are you buying that you need to sharpen them? Never needed to sharpen one. Are you retarded?

>on 4ch

Oh. That makes sense now.

>>21405665
>every chef, cook, and kitchen worker worth a damn sharpens and maintains their knives regularly
>yes, they all must be retarded and i'm the smart one just buying knives that magically never have to be sharpened

chances are you've just been using dull as dogshit consumer knives that were packaged like that so retards like you can't cut themselves easily and you think that's as good as a knife can cut
i'd tell you to slit your wrists but your knives probably aren't sharp enough to even do that

>>21405680
Poorfag/retard detected

Just buy the cheapest knives available from Walmart and every few months throw them out and buy new ones.

>>21405665
Post your knife.

Jesus fuck let this be a troll thread.

These things ruin your knife, a knife that will last ten year won't last six month with one of these.
strop your knife every few hours, sharpen it once every six hours, grind it only as needed. If you sharpen it properly you may need to grind it twice in it's life.

Your blade should be as sharp as possible, and that means removing as little metal as possible, because the outside of the knife is tempered, the inside is not. if you shave...fucking shave the outside off your knife, what is left is the spine. the soft steel, which will never be sharp. like a minecraft steel sword.

>>21406157
So pro tip, if you've got laminated steel knives, the bendy kind, the 2$ kind which won't hold a fine edge, what you want to do is sharpen them on one side only with a ceramic, the bottom of a coffee cut is fine.
This is how I sharpen my dogshit 2$ knives that I use for things like opening cans. they are still very sharp it's just a rough edge which won't hold. I have a salad knife for tomato and lettuce that's sharpened like that, as is my shwarma knife.
totally legitimate to use a $2 knife and sharpen it on the bottom of a coffee cup

>>21407031
>These things ruin your knife, a knife that will last ten year won't last six month with one of these.

It's just steel my guy

The pull through sharpeners are fine for the first few times and get the job done but in the long run they completely ruin the blade.
Just throw out old knives and get new ones. Unless the knife is really good and you really like it, no point in autistically taking care of it for years.
If you throw out your bad knives and keep the good ones you will get a better collection of knives. Use the shitty pull through on bad knives, sharpen the knives you like normally.

>>21407076
A good quality honing steel costs $20. A good quality knife sharpening set costs $40 ($80 if you want an electric one).
The average basic cheap-ass knife set from Walmart costs $30-60 depending on how many knives you want.
If you'd make your money back on these simple sharpening tools the instant you'd normally buy a new knife set, what's the point in not getting them? Especially if you have a knife that you want to keep like a 12 inch chef's knife

Also yes pull-throughs are complete garbage

>>21407031
The inside is tempered, bud.

>>21405271 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzfviybZvEU

>>21407031
>wake up middle of the night in a cold sweat
>time to sharpen the knives

>>21407628
He means every few hours of use you tard

>>21407031
>a knife that will last ten year won't last six month with one of these.
lol what? A $15 walmart knife will last years using a pull through. Most people don't buy $600 meme knives, so high effort maintenance is not justified.
>but the knive gets ruined!!!
Ok, then buy a new one. Lmao
90% of this shit is just a vapid hobby for people with nothing better to do. You don't use your knife for hours a day like a professional cook so you don't need the same level of quality and maintenance. OP's dad is not a faggot so he'll be fine with a pull through.

>>21407031
Dude what. The blade is tempered the whole way through.

>>21407639
He's referring to sharpening it every 6 hours kek

>>21407716
>poorfag upset at people enjoying nice things the post

>>21405271 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9Lu71ewVSw
Todd is on the case!

>>21405307
That cute anime girl is far more sexy than you are intelligent.

>>21408627
enjoying "nice things" is not the same as autistically defending wasting money.

>>21408689
You're telling another grown man with his own money that he is wasting it on something non-harmful that he enjoys. Sorry, but you are the autism

>>21408627
You can enjoy whatever you want, it's just a waste of time to fill your empty life. Most people have too much shit going on to bother obsessing with x-treme pro knives.

>>21405271 (OP)
They work fine. Autists that love knives hate them and say it doesn't make the knife sharp the right way. Which is like having an audiophile tell you that your AC power is dirty and makes your music sound bad; Nonsense.

>>21407529
The expensive rolly things work well. The cheaper ones only work for about 5 knives and the cheap coating wears off. So yeah it's really good but you need the $180 ones not the $60 Chineseisum ones.

>>21409544
Yes. Nice things are bad. We get it. Darned grapes are so sour!

>>21409585
1000kg of the most expensive custom steel is less than $1000. Your knife has less than $1 worth of steel in it and likely less than $5 worth of machining and finishing.

Expensive knives are a scam for stupid people. They are not nice things they are just cheap shit with a very expensive marketing around it.

>>21409609
Oh yeah, sour grapes. You dont even know what you're talking about. LOL

>>21407628
Lol

>>21409652
You're just coping with the fact that you know your $300 knife is objectively no better than a $15 knife from Walmart.

>>21409796
Walmart knives are unilaterally trash. Mercer knives, on the other hand, are great, chef-quality knives and only cost $30-50 unless you get meme custom shit.
I'll agree that $300+ knives are dumb as hell, but there are plenty of great knives out there that only cost a little bit more and will last you your entire life if you're not a line cook or utter retard.

>>21409803
Knives only have 3 factors. The type of steel, the handle and shape.
None of those factors have a cost of $50 to get the best.

>>21405271 (OP)
They're fine. Quick and easy, does a good enough job to keep you from losing any fingers.

>>21409803
My amazon basics knife has been pretty good

>>21409796
Yes your 1993 toyota camry will get you there just like my ferrari. Cope.

>>21409992
If it works then it works. If your knife starts having trouble with edge retention, you want a better handle, or the knife starts to chip then there are plenty of great brands around the $30-50 price range for any knife you could think of. I already mentioned Mercer, but Victorinox is also a good option at that price range. Don't get anything over $70 though; at that point you're just paying for branding and "artisanal quality"

>>21410084
You can get a hand forged knife for 70-120 that will out perform just about any mass produced knife.

>>21410079
>Yes your 1993 toyota camry will get you there just like my ferrari. Cope.
It's a knife. The steel in an expensive knife isn't any better than the steel in a cheap one. You might have a better handle you might not.
Nothing else about the knife has any impact on how it performs, the edge it has or how good it is at cutting.

If you think more expensive means better I have some Apple products to sell you.

>>21410099
>You can get a hand forged knife for 70-120 that will out perform just about any mass produced knife.
Is the steel hand smelted? Or did that come out of the same steel mill as the mass produced garbage?
Do you think a human makes better knives by hand than machines do?

>>21410099
no

>>21410105
Woefully incorrect. Handmade knives can have complex geometries that absolutely 100% improve performance. Impossible to grind in on mass produced blades. 99% of all mass produced knives are way too thick behind the edge as well. You can get handmade knives for people that know how to use a knife and it will perform significantly better. The only downside is you can't be a retard and abuse it or it can chip or whatever.

Mass produced knives have a retard prevention factor built in because people love treating their knives like shit and they will return the knife they fucked up. This comes at the cost of significant performance losses.

>>21410110
Hitachi paper steels, usually. Look up munetoshi if you want to see one example of an inexpensive handmade knife. He does the forge welding to make san mai, forges to shape, then does a very excellent heat treat and final grind.

>>21410117
Bevels and edge angles are basic as fuck and incredibly easy to machine. Stop pretending like your retard tax meant anything when it came to the quality of the knife

>>21410110
And yes handmade knives are better than machines mass producing them. One of the major benefits of small production is that real quality control is possible.
My victorinox was warped and had a terribly uneven and oversharpened concave/appleseed grind that made it a chore to sharpen correctly. Good handmade knives will have excellent edge geometry and not be warped to shit. San mai style knives can actually be restraightened by hand because of the softer steel cladding, so it is a non issue compared to crmov stainless steels that cannot be easily straightened.

>>21410122
There's more to knife making than that picture, bud. S grinds, complex blade geometry(Thicker at heel, thinner towards the tip) proper convex blade roads, etc.

>>21410122
This is truly powerful cope from someone that has never used a well made knife.

>>21410122
Craftsmanship has real value to many people. The knives I spend money on are not you shitty little factory produced copesticks. They're handmade by skilled craftsman.

Sorry you can't afford or don't appreciate that

>>21410137
>I've been proven wrong so I will now act like a child.

Very typical.

>>21410119
>Hitachi paper steels
A steel that's easy to forge. Not great at being a knife. Machines don't need easy to forge steel because they are stronger, more accurate and don't make mistakes.

>>21410117
>Woefully incorrect. Handmade knives can have complex geometries that absolutely 100% improve performance. Impossible to grind in on mass produced blades.
That's a fat fucking lie. What possible geometry do you think a human can hammer into a blade a machine can't?

>Good handmade knives will have excellent edge geometry and not be warped to shit.
What magic is this that no machine could replicate?

>can actually be restraightened by hand because of the softer steel cladding
I have literally never fucking bent a knife in my life are you retarded to think a softer steel is better because when you bend it you can bend it back?


Holy fuck knifetards are as bad as audiophiles.

>>21410160
Paper steels are excellent for kitchen tasks. This is undeniable. They get exceedingly sharp, have excellent edge stability and they're easy to sharpen. Way better user experience than your crmov ikea knives, and no preventing rust is not difficult. You wipe down your blade after using it.

S grinds and complex blade geometry cannot be ground into blades, or at least has never been done. Please find me the s grind factory. Forging also helps reduce grain size.

My point was that even if a san mai blade IS warped when you get it is easy to fix unlike mono steel blades, which you cant. Also single bevel naturally warp as you sharpen them down. Please pay more attention next time.

>>21410160
Many cheap knives don't even have a distal taper...

Look guys. I know it is hard to believe that a knife made with human hands, care, and attention can better than one made in a factory.
Here is a prime example of an excellent handmade knife. It is really nothing crazy, but it performs beautifully. If you cut one thing with it you would understand.

>>21410176
>Paper steels are excellent for kitchen tasks.
Is it the best? And what makes it physically impossible for a machine to make it?
>S grinds and complex blade geometry cannot be ground into blades, or at least has never been done.
I never said anything about grinding. I said making. Do you think any shape is actually impossible for a machine to make?
>My point was that even if a san mai blade IS warped when you get it is easy to fix
You just finished talking about the better quality control but they send out warped knives so often it's a feature to be able to fix them by hand?

>>21410181
>Many cheap knives don't even have a distal taper...
Why would they bother? Its a knife not a sword. The material and weight saving is pointless often unwanted in heavier kitchen knives.

>>21410195
>I know it is hard to believe that a knife made with human hands, care, and attention can better than one made in a factory.
The food it cuts is better because the knife was made by hand with errors and mistakes rather than perfectly by a machine following an optimal design?
That's crazy, here you sold me let me buy that $600 knife it's going to make my life so much better than my $13 whatever knife that I 'ruin' by using it with my cheap pull through sharpener.

I can't wait to get off the wait list and get a real hand made knife!

>>21410198
Paper steel is one of the best for kitchen knives, yeah. Sure you can machine it. Hogh carbide steels are overkill for anything but the most demanding restaurant tasks. Way way overkill for home cooking, and it is too annoying to sharpen. All knives get dull, but some are easier to sharpen than others.

>s grind
Bro you're just proving you don't know jack shit about this. There's a big difference between possible and economical. Please get that through your angey lil brain.

It is a feature, although it is not usually necessary. I needed it one time.

>>21410210
Ignorant cope non argument. Legitimately retarded, bro.

>>21410204
So you've never used a knife with a distal taper? They objectively perform better.

I KNOW EXACTLY HOW THIS THING I'VE NEVER USED PERFORMS AND ITS EXACTLY LIKE MY STAMPED STEEL KIWI KNIFE. MY STEAK KNIFE IS ALL I NEED TO COOK!

>>21410210
Generally speaking handmade knives have much better and thinner grinds because they are selling their knives to people that know how to use them.

>>21405271 (OP)
Don't sharpen your dad's knives. I don't know what it is about dads and their dull knives, but I tried to sharpen my dad's knives a couple of years ago, and it turned into a fist fight. I tried to sharpen my father in laws knives, and it turned into a fist fight. My uncle, who is a father? Fist fight. And then a year ago, I became a father, and last week I invited some friends over for a barbecue, one started talking about how my knives are dull and tried to sharpen it, and for some reason I was filled with an indescribable rage and this time, I started the fist fight.

>>21410241
Just be thankful it did not turn into a knife fight.

>>21410249
Why not? Even if he did, nobody would have gotten cut

>>21410225
>Generally speaking handmade knives have much better and thinner grinds because they are selling their knives to people that know how to use them.
So just buy a thinner knife save hundreds and be smug about that.

>>21410252
Your point is very valid, but dull knives can still be used to poke people with.

>>21410261
Holy mother you are retarded. You want a knife that is thin behind the edge AND has a distal taper. That is the best combo. A cheap thin knife is just going to be disgustingly shitted stamped blade.

It's fine to admit you're wrong lil guy. It won't kill you.

>>21410263
I get your point

>>21410268
>You want a knife that is thin behind the edge AND has a distal taper.
Or just don't care about it, pull it through the bad sharpener and in a decade of abuse buy a new knife.
Honestly your hand made super special knife isn't doing a better job. It's definitely not doing a better job than having three cheap purpose built knives. Do you have a hand made heavy cleaver? If you don't then my cheap as your Mom cleaver is a way better knife for the jobs a cleaver does best.

>>21410273
At least one other guy has a sharp wit and good knife sensibilities. If only buck121anon was here. This would be such a great knife thread.

>>21410275
Yes it is doing a better job you hyper coping retard. It cuts better, it gets sharper, it has better food release, it looks better, it is more enjoyable to use. The only thing cheap shit knives have over expensive ones is that it doesn't matter if you break and abuse them. Thats it.
You are a proven ignorant retard. I've used both high end knives and cheap shitty knives like the victorinox. There is a big difference in PERFORMANCE even if both cut. You're entering melty status, lil knifelet.

Your cleaver argument is about as stupid as your mother's idea to conceive you and that is all I will say about that.

>>21410286
>it has better food release
I've just found the magic crystals you put on wires that give better sound but for knives.

>>21410306
Cope harder. It's fact.

>>21410306
Convex grinds and s grinds both improve food release. Use your brain for one second and you'll see why.

>>21410314
The only cope is from people that paid more than $20 for a knife.
>Convex grinds and s grinds both improve food release. Use your brain for one second and you'll see why.
The fuck is an S grind? But more importantly what retarded knife woo is 'food release'?

>>21410316
>spoon feed me PLEASE

Holy shit you are legitimately retarded.

>>21410319
You don't know what an S grind is do you? Or what food release means.

>>21410337
>NO U
>NOW SPOON FEED ME DADDY! PLEASE!

You are one pathetic little sour grapes guy. Very entertaining, but depressingly pathetic.

>>21410344
>>You are one pathetic little sour grapes guy. Very entertaining, but depressingly pathetic.
What I have learned is that magic hand made knives have this special S grind shape that can't be made by a machine, not even a 7 axis CNC machine, only human hands. This magic hand made knife that needs softer steel to be easier hand forge is not only sharper it's also stronger, can be bent back into shape by hand, feels better, makes better food, and has a property of 'food release' that only hand made knives can do.

>>21410354
I've learned just how incredibly stupid you are. Good job! You know NOTHING and it is so hilarious. Thank you.

>>21410374
How much did you pay for your magic knife?

>>21410377
You lost and now you're just flailing around like an even bigger retard than before. Good luck with that and your shit knives.

>>21410385
How much?

>>21410386
None of your business.

You paid 2 dollars for a shitty knife! HAHA POORFAG.

>>21405278
You have just grown used to shitty knives, or you have never used an actually good one.