why are they taking away our buttons?

Fuck. That.

>>21426162 (OP)
I am more bothered by that "boost" at the end there.
Just stop trying to gameify everything

>tfw bought an induction cooktop with buttons and never miss an occasion to laugh at my parents who bought the stupid smartphone controls shit they ended up hating

>>21426162 (OP)
Using a microwave shouldn't be a drab affair of heating your lonely incel meal.
It should be an exciting and dynamic
*experience* in which you cook to perfection your expertly designed food that has been frozen for freshness

>>21426162 (OP)
touchscreens are literally superior in every way. that's why all the restaurant equipment manufacturers are switching to touchscreens

>>21426172
And honestly why would you want your utilities on wifi, bluetooth or whatever anyways? Why yes I want someone to be able to hack my oven or freezer and fuck my kitchen up when i'm not at home

>>21426162 (OP)
I bet that's such a blast to use if you have one microscopic drop of moisture on your finger

>>21426187
oh I meant more like touchscreen-type controls silliness but you just reminded me there are actually remotely controllable appliances lel
that's so goddamn retarded it's unreal

>>21426179
I can understand it in an industrial environment when you need to keep track of a lot of equipment but at home they're more of a nuisance than useful

>>21426162 (OP)
I have no idea and I don't even know what this is about but I will blame the J

>>21426162 (OP)
microwaves only need 3 buttons:
>+30 seconds
>power level
>start/stop/clear

>>21426207
How do I start the microwave again after stopping it?

>>21426187
idk man if somebody is capable and willing to hack my fridge that's the least of my concerns. if somebody is maliciously targeting you to a degree they would do that and have access to your networks, they could a lot worse things. don't get me wrong, a wi-fi controlled appliance is still pretty useless for the most part but getting hacked would be pretty low on my list of worries.

I can kind of see how it would be convenient to like, start preheating your oven remotely for example. but I doubt it's worth whatever extra costs a wi-fi stove incurs.

>>21426223
the start/stop/clear button will start when the microwave door is closed and isn't currently microwaving

>>21426224
>preheating your oven remotely for example
>open oven app
>select 300° F
>I forgot there was still a cast iron pan inside

>>21426249
>>I forgot there was still a cast iron pan inside
so what? it can withstand the heat.

>>21426249
Do poor people really just store shit in the oven?

>>21426253
There's still grease in it from making breakfast.
>>21426258
Perfect place to store cookware that you use daily.
Only have to clean the skillet like 4 times a year, everything else is just a quick wipe.

>>21426162 (OP)
because pinterest moms

>>21426261
ok well that sounds like a problem specific to you so I'm not really going to take it into account.

>>21426249
my Samsung won't let you preheat remotely. you can select the temperature remotely but you have to walk to the oven and physically press the Start button to begin heating.

>>21426261
So yeah, poor people really use the oven as storage
Thats fucking pathetic lmao

>>21426347
Not poor, just no need to leave it somewhere else.

>Food is prepared and ready to be cooked
>Oven is stuck updating for the past 3 hours

>>21426347
my oven has a pan storage compartment built into it

>>21426347
I don't know why this information brightened your day but good for you

>>21426172
had an induction stove with no buttons once, cant use the buttons if you have wet hands, shit sucks

Who cares? It cooks your food. Do you need to fiddle with dials like some sped retard? No, you don't.

>>21426560
>he replied to the video of someone fiddling with a virtual dial

>>21426162 (OP)
What a nightmare UX.
>round fucking LED screen 1" in diameter
>capacitive touch dial to scroll through settings

>>21426207
based as fuck my dude

>need to microwave butter for 6 seconds
>+30 seconds
>start
>open at 24 second countdown

your shit works good. happy wednesday

As someone with hyperhidrosis of the hands, I will murder all touch screen company CEOs

>>21426179
restaurants use touchscreens because they're easier for drugged out mexicans to use, not because they're objectively better

>>21426162 (OP)
because it saves them 2 cents per button.

Touch panels are cheaper to manufacture and retards think they're a premium feature so they can get away with it even when they inevitably stop working within a year from light use.

It's nothing but a downside for the discerning consumer.

>>21426207
The perfect microwave has:
- 2 dials (one for time, one for power)
- One button for start/stop/clear
- A display that shows the remaining time.

>>21426162 (OP)
somebody needs to die for this. unironically.

>>21426765
it's not the engineers problem the economy asked for this.

we could pin it on the politicians for not making all the smart men work in healthcare, pharmacy, rocketry, defense, and physics.

>>21426162 (OP)
because having a single shitty touchscreen loaded with unoptimized software that an intern coded in a single weekend is much cheaper on the manufacturing side than designing, molding, wiring, and installing individual plastic buttons.
chalk it up to capitalism. reducing costs to increase profit is the only goal. fuck having a usable product, people will buy it anyway if you just flood the zone with malfunctioning shit.

>>21426207
>>21426732
>one button that handles 3 different functions
geez you’re no better than touchscreen morons, what’s wrong with 2 buttons?

>>21426162 (OP)
Is this going to be the next MAGA rallying call? First incandescent light bulb, now buttons? What’s next, gas station windshield squeegees?

>>21426172
I have an induction stovetop with touch-buttons on top. It's the kitchen that was already there when I moved in and fuck buying a new one if I won't spend my life here.
Anyway, my mom used to have one of these and they react to heat, so anytime a splash of water from the boiling pot hits one of the buttons, something happens.
It's not dramatic, but it's such a bad design.
The next one will be one with knobs.

>>21426862
There's no reason to have separate buttons for start/stop/clear unless you have parkinson's or something.

>>21426891
please provided a state diagram for which contexts this button performs each of its three functions, I need a good laugh

>>21426887
The knob will just get gunked up with oil and fail anyway
t.had one with a knob

>>21426905
Knob on the top? My old stove had regular knobs on the front and the gunking was easily manageable.

Peak performance, why would you need more?

>>21426914
Where’s the popcorn button?

>>21426913
On the front
The issue is it messes with the rotary encoder inside. Plus the encoder is a high wear part, once it's worn enough it will start to spaz out whenever you turn it.

>>21426891
you don't even need the start button. it should start automatically after a few seconds if the door is closed and a time is set

>>21426162 (OP)
Because one day everything you buy will be a subscription and if you don't pay then they will remotely turn off your device.

Can't wait for the mandatory firmware update to brick my microwave because the microwave was ON during the wifi download an corrupted the firmware

>>21426946
this has never happened. stop making up hypothetical situations to get angry at

>>21426969
>shut up and accept the future, luddite!
no i don't think i will

>>21426946
can't wait for a future where all appliances at home are connected and for the Chinese to remotly shut down all appliances, until other countries agree to play along in their social credit system

>>21426984
and what will you do when the last button factory is shuttered?

>>21426162 (OP)
Software > Hardware, simple as

>>21426969
>I don't deal in hypotheticals
Alright buddy

>>21426207
Where's your gofundme page?

>>21426946
I’m not saying this can’t happen, but in order for it to happen the people implementing it would have to be absolutely retarded and ignore every known good practice.

Realistically, firmware updates would: wait for inactivity, download update, verify integrity, lock out user control (this is the part people would actually complain about), apply update, restart and unlock controls. Bonus if they cache the previous version and roll back if the update fails.

Where are my automated kitchens? I want to pre-heat my oven when away ffs.
>liability
If I'm cucking out with automation you bet I'm going to have sensors and shit all over my home. If the fucking heat gets too intense then let the god damn oven shut off by itself if it detects dangerous hot spots plus fire and smoke. If I don't get home as per the big brother network KNOWS where iam at all times, then stop the fucking pre-heating if my gps shows 10 miles away still. Companies love this intimate data shit no matter how many popups they let me click "deny all" on.
>hacking
WE HAVE SELF DRIVING CARS WITH THEIR OWN INTERNET CONNECTIONS. If they determine the risk of hacking isn't that dangerous then put that wifi enabled shit in my home too and I don't mean a fucking smart juice press or """social""" pepper grinder. Real shit that requires a modicum of self preservation to not lose your fingers as it's scheduled to run when you least expect it.

>>21427139
>If they determine the risk of hacking isn't that dangerous
No one determined this, the people who sell you cars simply don’t care because it’s not likely. They’ll make more money selling the cars than they’ll have to pay if something ever goes wrong.

>>21427144
Nothing you said changes anything. Sell the god damn automated kitchens already.

>>21426200
It's not so much keeping track of all the machines.
Very few machines in any setting are connected to some closed network for monitoring purposes.
There would be no reason to do that for things like a deep fryer for instance, there's nothing to monitor other than oil level and temperature; a pair of eyes and thermometer can do that.

Touch screens are useful in a kitchen because less gaps for bacteria to grow in, easier to wipe down at the end of a shift.

>>21426162 (OP)
they use it to sell you more by selling you less

>>21426162 (OP)
Gee I wonder who designed that touchscreen saar.

>>21427175
they probably found a good deal on a warehouse full of smartwatch screens that haven't sold

>>21426179
No, it's out of touch suits who have never set foot in a commercial kitchen who THINK touchscreens are better because they got wined and dined by some other suits.

>>21426207
>>21426732
oh-la-la, fancy here, innit?
>power
>knob to wind up the timer
>microwave starts when timer is not 0
>to stop just turn the time knob down to 0

>>21426927
No, that's too "smart" for a microwave. It shouldn't do a single fucking thing that I don't tell it to do.

For me, it's the humble crank knob. Slick and minimal but not form over function.

Weird how everything is being dumbed down and reducing user control, despite nobody wanting it.
From win11 baby controls to Porsche dropping manual transmissions to everything needing an app to function.

my hario coffee / food scale has touch buttons and it's always annoying. because sometimes it doesn't register and I wait a moment and try again a few times.

>>21427599
>gets stuck at 1 second and burns your food

>>21426162 (OP)
I HATE MODERN UI
I HATE MODERN UI
I HATE MODERN UI

>>21426162 (OP)
I know a tech geek faggot who can't wait to get that. He will use his siri thing to make it go from across the room with his voice. He'll text his phone from his smartwatch while he's eating on the toilet to make sure his oven is pinging his bluetooth. He appreciates personalized ads too.
And the event he's most looking forward to in his life is playing GTA 6.
Used to be a real person with real ambitions and a life. Now he stays in and dinks with his faggy gadgets.

>>21427752
Your life sounds really depressing

>>21427792
Yes, it is my life that's depressing.

>>21426162 (OP)
I've had the same microwave for almost 25 years.

stop buying bullshit microwaves.

>>21426162 (OP)
I've had the same microwave for 21 years.

stop buying bullshit microwaves.

>>21426172
>>21426549
>>21426887
Life is suffering. I have one of these. Want to turn up the heat without burning your fingers on one of the pans? TOO BAD. Are you cleaning the surface? Fuck you, CHILDLOCK ON. Want to read what it says without turning on all your lights? FUCK YOU human. Need to change the heat of two pans quickly? YOU SUCK, have fun holding the buttons until your food is burned. Want to cook in peace? Cocksucker, listen to this BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP

I knew this before I bought it, but I couldn't find any with physical buttons. This makes it even worse. Fuck this gay planet. Yes I'm mad.

>>21427752
IoT is an actual blight on humanity

>>21427031
>their social credit system
doesn't exist, and everything about this supposed system you want to complain about already exists in the american credit score system except its managed by privately run for-profit banks instead of a publicly accountable government

>>21428007
discontinue the lithium

>>21428015
right, and all the nice videos on YouTube give an accurate representation of China as well

>>21427599
>Grimey touchpoints.
Hope the health inspectors shut you down.

Personally, I think making everything in cars a touch screen is way dumber.

>>21427862
>my friend has interests I don't share and it makes me so mad I think of him as a lesser being
Yes, it is your life that is depressing. What is your friend supposed to do? Sigma grindset retard mode? Some culture war horse shit? Gymbro slop?

>>21426162 (OP)
More potential points of failure and they can sell them for a higher price. If they require an internet connection, it's to steal your data/spy on you.

>>21426162 (OP)
to appease investors.
In their sick mind everything must always be improved.
They check to make sure that changes are constantly being made. They do not check to see that those changes are better.
Somebody got promoted behind this abomination. You see it a LOT in the modern world.

>>21426347
I store clean dishes in my dishwasher and cast iron in my oven.

>>21427047
Sell buttons?

go to /o/ and ask this same question. you'll probably get an earful. it's a real annoyance among car people but not only do they work less well but they are measurably less safe in automotive applications. the reason for the proliferation of capacitive buttons is primarily about cost, but also because consumers have been duped into perceiving them as futuristic and luxurious rather than cheap garbage, which they are.

>>21429393
touch controls are dangerous in a car for obvious reasons, but I'd say they're also dangerous in a kitchen where hot stuff and fires can happen. I'm not sure they're even better in the case of spills, because the button becomes nonfunctional while spilled on. if you spill something hot on it you can't turn them off with an object either since they're all capacitive (resistive sucks too).

>>21426162 (OP)
>phones without buttons :D
>anything without buttons >:|

>>21426171
Wait until they add daily quests to the air fryers.

>>21426162 (OP)
For me, it's
2, 2, 2, START

>>21429890
holy shit I would punch a puppy for a nukrowave that baked and broiled