Thread 21427335

>kore wa I worku 10 years just making rice for 12 hours every day until I am allowed to make real hontoni sushi desu, I am master sushiman-sensei!!
No you're a fucking retard, 10 years just doing the rice is literal retard labour, it's not even that intricate of a food, it's literally just seasoned rice with raw fish.
The same 10 years could be spent getting an actual culinary degree at a good school or a Ph.D in some subject, god what a shitty movie.

>hes learned enough Japanese to make fun of it
youre not fooling anyone, weeb

>>21427335 (OP)
>baka gaijin piggu has zero concepts of passion, loyalty and the pursuit of perfection

color me surprised

>sell out so that only way to get a reservation is to book a stay at an expensive hotel
>ancestors see shamefur dispray
>dead 18 months later due to bad fung shui
sasuga, jiro-sama

>>21427335 (OP)
His nightmare was much worse

>>21427341
The pursuit of perfection in making food is literal second-hand cuckoldry, you are literally devoting your life to a skill that is primarily enjoyed by other people.
Oh yeah and also he has the gall to get mad at you if you don't observe the myriads of ridiculous etiquettes like dipping the food in the soy sauce at the right angle, using ginger after/before the sushi and many more stupid idiotic nonsense that no other cultures really give a shit about.
It's literally just food, it's not that big of a deal.

>>21427335 (OP)
it's not about the skill, it's about the discipline you develop retard. if you can't spend a decade of your life pursuing the perfect rice what makes you think you can spend the rest of your life pursuing the ultimate perfection of sushi which USES that rice as a component. you have no fucking CLUE what you are jabbering about you utter troglodyte

>making rice for 10 years
It's a pleb filter. Any dickhead can come in and learn rice in a week. Learn slicing in a week. Learn packing sushi in a week. Learn seasoning and plating in a week. And after those couple weeks he can pump out okayish sushi.
But someone who's willing to go through the struggle and put in the dedication and humility to master the basics for a long time has the dedication and drive to learn and put real mastery into the finer details. The real masters aren't going to give away their secrets to some dickhead off the street who "proved" himself by cooking rice for a month.

>>21427335 (OP)
Sushi is such a garbage instagram food. I'd rather have a full plate of rice and whole fish than tiny unsatisfying pieces with zero flavor. It's no wonder Japs are manlet weaklings with malnourished bodies because their food offers no substance.

>>21427335 (OP)
this autism is why Japan is clean, safe etc by the way
when everyone is autistic about their job, no matter how low-grade, society works wonderfully. Not like you would get it you amerilard

>>21427393
and go work for a conveyor belt sushi place working for koreans

>>21427427
Japan has a higher suicide rate than America.
Japan has a lower birthrate than America.
Japan's men are malnourished midgets with scrawny bodies compared to the much taller stronger American men with actual eyes that are open.

You can't talk about society in Japan when the Japanese themselves say their own society is hell. You tried to deflect from the fact that your meme food that is just tiny rice with tiny fish is shit but ended up embarrassing yourself. Btw weeb, they don't even want you over there. They hate gaijin.

>>21427340
haha, upvoted

>>21427335 (OP)
This is the Western mode of thought speaking. Westerners have ambitions, demands, pressures; Orientals value stability and slow but steady progress towards eating slightly more rice than yesterday.

>>21427371
I promise you anyone could produce the same quality of sushi in a month by watching some youtube videos.

>>21427371
life isn't a hecking video game skill. there is no such thing as constant progression without regression. his so called perfect rice was only perfect for one iteration long before his taste buds deteriorated.

>>21427371
Wait, Jiro is a fan of Wu-Tang Clan?

>>21427944
constant progression is possible, it just requires constant repetition. People don't stop improving until they stop doing the task every single day. I do skilled mechanical shit for a living and someone who has done it for 5 years is considered borderline retarded, but people who have done it 30 years are also sometimes retards because they spend all of their time telling other people how to do things instead of actually doing them. Those who have 15-20 years experience and actually still do the work are those who are the best at both knowing how to do something conceptually and still actually doing it on a daily basis.

>>21427427
>society works wonderfully.
So that must be why no one is having kids to such a catastrophic degree that their society is on the road to collapse in a couple decades?
>>21428104
You don't need 10 years to learn how to cook fucking rice.
There's nothing in the kitchen, literally NOTHING that takes that long to master.
Even a teen girl who works part time as a baker in my country learns croissants after a month and practically masters them after at most 6 months.
Sushi isn't that hard, it's only glazed because they have access to better ingredients, it's literally just fish on rice-vinegar rice.

Sushi, especially in Japan, is the ultimate example of diminishing returns. I could go to a Jiro type place and have a meal for ¥30000. Or I can go to a decent place in my neighborhood and get a good lunch set for ¥3000. The Jiro place is 10x better? No, fuck off. Anyone who spergs over sushi is a fucking fag.

Jiro nightmares of assrape

>>21428451
I enjoyed the dvd commentary

sushi irl - something enjoyed by most people, they don't think too hard about it
sushi on /ck/ - causes endless weird butthurt

>>21428517
This isn't about the sushi, it's about the chefs who overcomplicate and endlessly glaze a food(snack) that is literally just fish on rice.

>>21428524
the doc explains pretty well that it's the preparation of the fish for days beforehand that's 99% of the work.

>>21428401
>retard still thinks it’s about learning how to make rice

>>21428630
Nah, it's about indoctrinating your apprentices into a shitty work culture making what is essentially snacks for rich people. It's not hard, no other culture is this autistic about it(and for good reason).
It's essentially the same shit they do with katanas, significantly more effort to make a product that is of worse quality than what we make in the west.

>>21428630
Not him but it's a sad waste of many years of your life. You'll say "well but it's about the discipline you learn" and I would ask you why he could not channel dedication towards things that aren't just rice to learn such discipline? The rice wasn't getting any better after a couple years, so he likely spent at least 7 years not learning anything new or expanding his knowledge and techniques.

>>21428419
That's all food to an extent but the jap way is one of repeating one specific particular technique for an eventual 1% diminishing change in result that they will insist is better or right. I can see why they so strongly believe it, because if you spent your whole goddamn life making things 1% different and decided that it actually wasn't an improvement, the already suicide-prone creature would sudoko himself right then and there.

>>21428737
The simpler something is, the more you refine the most minute aspects of it in order to achieve “perfection.” It may be autistic but that’s the Japanese way for things like this

>>21427335 (OP)
He had to spend ten years learning how to make the tamago (the egg!)

>>21427335 (OP)
Jiro Dreams of Sushi, pretty good movie. Certainly better than the sequel, Jiro's Nightmares of Anal Rape

>>21428774
>It may be autistic but that’s the Japanese way for things like this
Yeah it's obviously the Japanese way but it's fucking stupid and a waste of your one life on this earth man. It deserves lampooning. Jiro would have been a better chef if he spent those 7 years learning other techniques with rice from other cultures involving different preparations and ingredient bases, and he would be better equipped with deeper insights on the food he works with. But the japanese way is not to think critically or understand things on a level deeper than "this is how it was always done and this is how I will always do it."
It's worth no more respect than what you would give to any person spending their career in a particular field they are passionate about(which in its own right is worth a good amount of respect, don't get me wrong there). But within that echelon of people who have dedicated their lives to a particular pursuit, it is worth far less respect because you spend less time truly engaging with your passion, instead mindlessly worshipping its past. But people see this sick japanese mindset as something of a spectacle, so they give it a confused reverence because they themselves are rightfully not stupid enough to waste 10 years of their lives on sushi rice specifically.

>>21428792
For better and for worse it’s why Japan society functions the way it does. One of the safest, most cohesive societies in the world that basically operates on everyone adhering to the honor system, and the idea of people taking pride in their job/being dedicated to their job leads to better service for consumers

>>21428805
except for all the sexual abuse of kids

>>21428805
>for better or worse
Of course, you seem to be avoiding the "worse" showcased in what we're actually talking about I see. Are there good things about jap society? Sure absolutely. This topic of a man flushing 7 extra years of his life away on sushi rice that he no doubt already had perfect just because 500 years ago things were done X way, is that one of the better things? Fuck no it's not and it's as sad as a different society being bad in a different way. I don't see you actually disagreeing with me about it either, just bringing in other shit that's unrelated to this massive waste of a man's only life on this planet.
You can take pride in doing sushi without prostrating your mortality to the altar of your elders. Jiro's food would have been better for it, ironically. You cocksucking weeb.

>>21428819
>massive waste of a man's only life on this planet

So what then would you specifically describe as not being a waste of a man's only life? Surely the only difference is not time spent?

>>21428827
not wasting years of your life on rice

>>21428737
>>21428819
Is he just spending 7 years doing the same thing with rice everyday? Or is he experimenting with different kinds of rice and ways to prepare it?

There's actually a lot of different types of rice.

In general, Brown rice is quite different from white rice in taste and texture. It's healthier due to the amount of fiber (which is removed in the process of making it white), but idk if it would fit in sushi.

>>21428830
nope. one specific type of rice. and if he wasn't autistically retarded and not just doing stunts for redditors who don't know how to spend their money he'd realize that he'd solve his imperfect rice problem if he just bought better quality rice.

>>21428830
>Is he just spending 7 years doing the same thing with rice everyday?
After the first couple of years of spending day in and day out doing that, yes he is no doubt just doing the same shit day in and day out trying to make it "perfect" by traditionalist standards. Do you know anything about the guy in OP? He is not a Morimoto type.

>>21428836
DO you really need that long? It seems like youd get diminishing returns?
>Do you know anything about the guy in OP? He is not a Morimoto type.
Ive heard about him before vaguely, but i havent seen his documentary

>>21428828
So you have no answer, exactly what I thought.

>>21427335 (OP)
Wow you mean I can be Le Cordon Bleu certified to make $12 an hour at some shithole restaurant downtown that works me open to close every day of the week, and if I have the audacity to call in sick they'll send someone to my house to drag me to work?
Or I could work for Jiro fucking Ono, that's like working for Marco Pierre White.

>>21429005
>that's like working for Marco Pierre White.
If you were working for Marco Pierre White in his younger days, you'd be wishing you were in the first scenario instead lmao

>>21428906
are you retarded? the answer is right there.

>>21428889
>DO you really need that long?
You don't, that's my point. It's a fucking waste of time gaining to real skill

>>21428827
That's up to the man but Jiro clearly cares deeply about sushi and japanese tradition, so he could have spent those 7 years learning and becoming more skilled in other aspects of sushi, food preparation, or other areas of Japanese life and culture. Instead of spending 7 more years not getting any better at sushi rice and letting some of his best, healthiest, and most energetic years whittle away from him in service of the idea that 10 years just needs to be the number.

>>21427393
the STRUGGLE of MAKING RICE?! OH THE HORROR! THE UNIMAGINABLE SUFFERING!

>>21428529
the doc also explains pretty well that the fish are served the same day they're caught.

>>21427393
>their secrets
Here’s their secret. It’s bullshit and his rice tastes the same as the Chinese Buffet down the street. You think it tastes better because he said he spent a decade perfecting it (he didn’t), but it actually is the same. Here’s another secret, his sushi doesn’t taste any better than the Japanese place down the road. It’s just a food item, not some magical thing. Fancy Steak restaurants, I’ve eaten at a bunch, and their shit hardly tastes any better than something Bob cooked on his grill. It’s all hype.

>>21427363
>literal second-hand cuckoldry, you are literally devoting your life to a skill that is primarily enjoyed by other people
how do you get through day-to-day life being this horrendously insecure?

NPCs who don't know how to work hard are getting caught up.

I see all the faggots in this thread going IT'S ABOUT THE DISCIPLINE IT'S ABOUT THE SKILL IT'S ABOUT THE PROGRESSION
And all I can think of is my neighbor who has spent decades on his garden. He's created a beautiful garden, with feature pieces and cultivated rare plants and all sorts of things. This little old Maltese man pottering around in his garden, creating art.

And the thing is, every year he as spent on it he learned something new. He didn't just spend ten years on the fucking rice.
And guess what you upjumped faggoty cunts.
I DON'T NEED A RESERVATION TO FUCKING SEE IT
I saw him in the garden one day and asked about his tree dahlias and he was more than happy to take me on a tour of his entire acre of garden.

You fucking bitches wanna suck his dick over the skill and passion and whatever the fuck?
The moment he put a price-tag on it it stopped being art. It became commodity.

I don't celebrate Sushi Product and then get excited for next Sushi Product.

can someone tell me why people here are having a tantrum over sushi?

>>21429436
Because we can.
Because 4chan is wholly unimportant and it's good to let your hair down, put your safety helmet on, and get a little retarded.

Can you tell me why cunts like you feel the need to act like some sort of Standards Police?
Fuck off retard, you came to a toilet and asked why there's water in it.

>>21429452
hahaha what a faggot.

>>21427335 (OP)
Here's your effort-optimized sushi, bro.

>>21427363
>you are literally devoting your life to a skill that is primarily enjoyed by other people

Most skilled professions are like that. To non-sociopaths it's seen as a good thing.

>>21429621
kek. someone needs to caption that webm with this
>>21429424
>>21429452

>>21427335 (OP)
Only one thing I'm dreaming about and that's PU$¥£IPS

>>21429628
Extremely indian post

>>21429577
Thanks for that. I've been outside doing yard work all day and hadn't cringed once, until now.

>>21429424
Now see anon, if your neighbor only grew one specific type of tomato for 10 years and got incredibly uppity about hyperspecific things that don't fucking matter when it comes to the tomato like vine texture and seed number, THEN people would be sucking his dick about it despite him having objectively a tiny fraction as much knowledge about gardening as a whole than most people. Then if he managed to hype himself up to retards he'd have a documentary named "The Tomato Man" or "Off the Vine and onto my Cock" and anons here would be talking about his discipline and probable fiber intake.

>HIS SUSHI IS THE SAME AS WALMART!!
>no ive never tried it!! why should I?!

hard agree OP. I worked in one of the top 10 sushi restaurants in America. That trope is BULLSHIT.

Its kind of like seeing the most beautiful women in the world....then realizing she has a booger hanging out of her nose. Its all smoke, mirrors, and bullshit....im drunk...

>>21430179
The difference between supermarket sushi and restaurant sushi is significant.
The difference between sushi made by a decent sushi chef with fresh ingredient for around 100$ or less and super-expensive sushi chefs is neglible.
Reminder that most taste tests done on michelin chefs being given cheap wine and mcdonald's has revealed that they rate them as high as fine dining, the pricetag is a scam.

>>21429577
>>21429621