>>21436326 (OP)
yes
no
maybe
i don't know
can you repeat the question
you're not the boss of me now
you're not the boss of me now
you're not the boss of me now
and you're not the boss of me now
you're not the boss of me now
you're not the boss of me now
you're not the boss of me now
and you're not the boss of me now
life is umami

>>21436326 (OP)
no. thank you for coming to my ted talk

Umami is Japanese for "savory."

>>21436326 (OP)
No and anybody who describes their food as umami seriously deserves to be slapped in the face.

>>21436326 (OP)
can you stop

>>21436326 (OP)
Fraid not. It's a chinese made up term.

OP is MINDBROKEN. He cannot handle the objective fact that umami exists and it is different than savory.

>>21436326 (OP)
Yeah it's savory

>>21436403
Salt is umami?

>>21436332
>>21436326 (OP)
Brown ESL hands made this thread, like every other thread as this is their attack on English. Make no mistake, this attempt to mangle the English language is fully intentional as part of a greater global cultural war. Keep your eyes peeled..

>>21436404
No salt is salty. Umami is savory

>>21436416
are you flipping off the handicap space or the library

>>21436416
Cut your nail of peace, Mr. Pakistani.
Umami is Japanese for savory. It says so on the website of the first company to ever make MSG powder. Cope, Ahmed.

>>21436568
>can't even recognize a British hand
>of course doesn't post his shit brown one or even proof he lives somewhere that English is spoken at all

MSG is not the same thing as savoury by any English definition. MSG can be used to make a food taste savoury which is where your confusion comes in. Of course you cannot wrap your head around that and will never understand the subtleties of the difference between the words savoury and umami, because you are fundamentally illiterate when it comes to English. No amount of trolling and cartoon frogs will ever change that.

oohmamifags on suicide watch, it's just a synonym for savory

>>21437870
True.

Many are aware that English has different registers from its widespread adoption of words from several root languages.

Using "umami" is just a literary word for "savoury" i.e. something flippant you might use to spice up your conversation.

If you go around using umami seriously then you are just like that twat who says the "firmament" is very blue today.

>>21437884
this is SUGOOOOIIIIII desu

Umami is not the same as savory because you can have a savory dish that contains no glutamate or umami.

This is simple and true logic.

Umami won. Sorry!

>>21437981
Name one

>>21437995
Plain pasta, saltine crackers, vinegar cured pickles.

>>21436326 (OP)
udaddy's cummies

westernfaggots ITT getting triggered to death by superior Japanese culture
it's umami, and savory is not a thing go fuck yourself
the firmament is very blue today

>>21438017
Unfathomably based.

>>21436353
i love unami. super sugoi desu desu wa.

>>21436416
https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/umami

you're not using the king's dictionary. you're the ESL. go back to reeducation camp. or by the donald, you will be deported to el salvador.

>>21438017
>>21438019
you will never be japanese

>>21438167
Good I would never wish to be a Jap. Umami is still different from savory.

>>21438006
>Plain pasta, without any additions like sauces, butter, or salt, is generally considered mild and not particularly savory on its own
Crackers are salty
>Yes, pickles can contain glutamate, both naturally present in the cucumbers and potentially added during the pickling process

>>21436326 (OP)
>flavor
Genuinely cannot take anybody seriously when they are at a child level of spelling

>>21437870
>oohmamifags on suicide watch
I don't see umamichads making the same thread over and over and over and over again because they're so utterly mindbroken about the use of a word that they devote their entire lives to seething about it, but ok, project some more

glutamate is a chemically separate compound from salt. It's a real and separate flavor; and yet the loaning of a Japanese word is irksome. We need a proper Anglophone abbreviation - I propose we call it 'matey'

>>21438373
butthurt sauce. AKA unaminess

>>21438373
actually, glutamATE is just the anion of glutamine (the amino acid). When in its ionic form, it naturally forms salts with positively charged ions of sodium, magnesium, calcium, etc.

So in reality, everything you are discussing is "salt" not just sodium chloride (or potassium chloride if you have heart issues, as one usually sees).

>>21438266
This is incredible cope. So you call those foods sweet? They are allcsavory foods that are low in glutamate.

>>21438477
But...they still have glutamate.

>>21438483
No they do not, or they have so little it does not have an umami taste to them. Plain pasta with some evoo, salt, and parsley is 100% a low glutamate dish that is savory.

Non fermented pickles have no glutamate in them and they are 100% a savory food.

Saltine crackers with a piece of butter and parsley on top has little to no glutamate and is 100% savory.

>>21438373
ARRRGGGHH I approve of this land lubber's proposition. Matey it be!

>>21438495
Parsley literally contains glutamate. So do cucumbers. So does olive oil. Everything you're saying doesn't contain glutamate, does. Butter is lower in glutamate but is still dairy and ultimately contains glutamate. So try again, umami man

>>21436347
>>21436403
These - it's savory and that's the last word on it.

Is umami the skub of /ck/

>>21438670
Extra virgin olive oil does not contain glutamates. Replace parsley with black pepper, or any other low glutamate herb or spice. The specific doesn't matter. 100% savory foods with no or little glutamate.
You wouldn't call an unripe peach sugary or sweet, but it does contain some sugar in it.

Nitpicking the absolute proof I present to you after giving you real examples is just another intellectually weak cop out from the umami deniers.
Here let me ask you again. How can savory and umami mean the same thing if there are foods that are savory, but have no or little glutamate in them? I have given you clear examples of foods and dishes where this is true.

You also need to remember that there is a difference between free glutamate and when it is a part of proteins. Only the free glutamate contributes to umami taste.

>>21438673
Answer my question.

>>21438670
Rosemary, dill, oregano, basil are all very low in glutamate. They will not contribue an umami taste.

>>21438707
It's not nitpicking, it's the truth. I asked for a savory food or dish with 0 glutamate and you can't provide one because ultimately it is an integral part of the savory taste because it's literally Japanese for savory

>>21438715
Literally all of those contain a decent amount of glutamate, especially oregano

>>21438739
Is olive oil savory? There's no glutamate in olive oil.

You did not ask me for foods with 0 glutamate, liar. You asked me for foods that are savory, but not umami, and I provided perfect examples of those that you gladly ignored to nitpick and dodge my question.

You going to change the goalposts again?

>>21438740
No they do not, and compared to what? Soy sauce tomatoes and dashi stock??

>>21438740
Just for reference 1 oz of basil has 80mg of glutamate, while ground mustard has 1500mg

>>21438740
1 oz of butter contains 51mg of glutamate. Why are you lying about these things???

>>21438744
Is olive oil savory?
Everything you listed had glutamate in it, which is inherent to "umami". The one thing that I will admit to being wrong in is olive oil, yet the "savory" types mimic foods/spices that do in fact contain glutamate
>>21438746
Google it, retard.

>>21438763
>>21438752
Lying about what? Umami is bound to anything with glutamate in it. Coincidentally they are all savory

>>21438764
I have been and you are lying. You changed the goalposts while ignoring my point that addressed your incorrect thinking on umami.

You can have foods that are low in glutamate. These foods do not produce an umami taste. You can clearly taste the umami flavor in things like dashi stock, parmesan cheese, shiitake mushrooms. There is no umami taste in 1 gram of herbs sprinkled on a buttered cracker, but it is still a savory food.

>>21438771
Factually incorrect. Just because something has 1 gram of sugar per lb does not make it a sweet/sugary food.

See
>>21438774

Apparently ALL desserts that do not have absolutely 0 glutamate(none) are actually savory and umami!

How many threads of this autism are you fucks gonna fill

>>21438774
I didn't change anything. Umami is defined by the presence of glutamate is it not? I asked you to provide just 1 food or dish that is savory without glutamate (umami)
>>21438776
We aren't talking about sugar though are we? Unripe fruits and vegetables are largely inedible without some form of manipulation as well to enhance certain aspects of their flavors at that point in time, umeboshi being an umami example

>>21438332
>mindbroken
go back to nhentai tranimefag

>>21438796
Please refer back to these posts
>>21437981
>>21437995

Your braindead argument dodging doesn't look good for you. Its honestly quite embarassing how you cant help yourself. Stay on topic.
You can replace sugar with salt or sour. My point remains the exact same. Many many foods naturally contain a small amount sodium. That does not make them salty foods.

>>21438127
I am using the OED for all of these definitions. >>21437660 the other source was a Funk & Wagnals on Synonyms to try to show that even Americans recognize savoury as a specific flavour profile and not the extremely braod way the idiotic illiterate trolls in these threads have been doing.

Umami has a very specific meaning. It is very different from the meaning of savoury. This is indisputable. Saying they are the same is lying. At this point it's purposeful.

>>21437870
>>21437884
It is absolutely not a synonym for savoury and this has been shown to you over and over and over. They are distinct words with distinct meanings. You are disgusting and disingenuous trying to claim otherwise despite objective proof of how wrong you are.

Your goal is to cheapen English to reduce the meanings of words into slop. You are the scum of the earth. Stop using my language if you refuse to respect it.

>>21440116
you will never be japanese

>>21440117
This is the best argument savorycels have. Umamichads win again.

>>21440130
go back to /a/ tranimenigger

>>21440132
See
>>21440130

>>21440134
>see -ACK

>>21440117
I don't want to be Japanese. I'm not even into anime or anything. I just think it's useful that umami has been adopted like ninja, dojo, typhoon etc because more descriptive words makes my language more rich and diverse. It's obviously and objectively clear why this word was adopted and included and not just ignored to use some other word like meaty or nutty which are the closest English alternatives.

And again the thing with savoury is it isn't even all that close to umami. They overlap a lot, but are truly and distinctly different for anyone who is literate and has a brain.

But that's the point. They do this on purpose which is why this thread gets made over and over and over. Their plan is to repeat a lie so often that real people get tired of fighting for the truth. This is all far more nefarious thsn just misunderstanding.

funny how retards keep falling for this thread every time

>>21440142
>t. Malding savorycel

>>21440154
japan will never accept you, you don't speak the language, you don't follow the customs, you're not ethnically japanese and will never be

>>21440163
Don't care, never wanted to be Japanese. I just like cooking. Continue having your little melty for the umamichads.

>>21440175
funny how you keep coming back to my threads, do yo genuinely think I believe what I post here? or maybe have you thought that the reason I keep making these generic threads is so knuckledraggers like you flock to these threads doing the same charade over and over like a moth to a flame

please, keep bumping my threads so they can push high quality threads to le archives lol

>>21440178
>My melty is on purpose, so it doesn't count! HAH.

Cope harder, mindbroken savorycel.

>>21440184
thanks for the BVMP

Umami won

Umami is old news. There’s a new Japanese taste dropping.
From Ajinomoto’s website.
>Umami is used by many chefs and home cooks, and now a new taste sensation called kokumi, also discovered in Japan, is drawing attention worldwide. For example, when a soup or a stew has simmered for several hours, it takes on a richer, deeper flavor. And when cheese is allowed to mature, its flavor becomes more complex and lasting. What accounts for this form of enhanced deliciousness?
I’m starting to think these nips are full of shit and just want to sell salt powders to weebs and foodies.

>>21440250
b-b-b-but muh hecklin science says it's real!

>Kokumi is predominantly found in the realm of Japanese cuisine, where its taste sensation occurs naturally in fermented foods like alcohol, soy sauce, fish sauces and shrimp paste. The items that cause that feeling have been isolated at the protein level and concentrated into a powder compound by Ajinomoto Co. That compound can then be added to fresh and packaged foods to increase the feel of flavors in the mouth.

>Despite having an identifiable effect, kokumi has a nebulous definition. As a component of taste, it is a sensation scientists have had trouble pinpointing because it is not achieved with a single molecule. It is a sensation that is activated by glutamyl peptides that occur naturally in fermented foods. It can also naturally occur in more Western fare like beer, bread and chicken soup.

For me its kokumi.

>>21440260
Sounds savory

>>21440260
>>21440250
Cool I'm going to see what's up with it.

Boom. From ajinomoto's website.

>>21440299
who cares what ajinomoto says, they don't get to rewrite reality just because you said so

>>21440351
How is that rewriting reality? Umami is the fifth taste, objectively. Proven by muh soience.

>>21440299
The website also explicitly links savory and umami.

>>21438816
But umami(savory) specifically refers to the presence of glutamate

>>21440266
Lil gup thinks he’s an expert on umami and hasn’t even heard of kokumi which has been around for 40 years. Lol you just outed yourself as a know nothing wikipedia warrior. Everyone as passionate about umami and food science related to the sense of taste as you pretend to be knows about kokumi.

>>21440669
Show me. All savory has umami. Not all umami has savory. Therefore they are different.

>>21440983
So if my dessert has .00001 mg of glutamate it is umami and therefore savory?

No. That's incredibly stupid thinking. Try again lil dookie.

>>21441004
My umami ingredients stash is more powerful and extensive than 99% of all ck users. Lets not forget that you you didn't even know what umami was before seeing this thread, and you still don't believe it exists. Sad state for such a weak chump like yourself.

>>21440357
objectively by what?

>>21441055
Cope and sneed, wiki warrior. I been knowed about umami for decades and yes it is real and it is the fifth taste. You literally just found out about kokumi which is hilarious for such a self-proclaimed umamichad as yourself. Kokumi has been discussed in umami circles for 40 years and you just found out about it from this thread. LOL!

As a neutral observer I am called upon to decide who finally won this thread.

Gentlemen, it is therefore my duty to inform you that the victory belongs to the savoury chads.

Savoury chads: you won. You won.

Commiserations to the losers, the umami cucks. You lost.

>>21441709
May I ask what your reasoning is, Arbiter?

At least this thread nobody posted a soijak

>>21441770
never mind, i spoke too soon

>>21441725
Let's not rake up old graves. Move on and embrace savoury.

>>21441055
No but if you use a bunch of ingredients with glutamate in them then it will be savory to a point. Which a lot of desserts are savory and do contain glutamate

>>21441770

>>21441974
Desserts are sweet. There is no savory dessert.

>>21440264
That's because you don't understand what the word savoury means.

>>21441055
Not all savoury foods are umami. Seasoned water crackers are savoury with no umami component.

>>21441974
This is not true. If you boil chicken with no seasoning it is npt savoury. If you think it is that's because your grasp of English sucks.