Thread 21440619

Now that mcwagebots got no tax on [t]ips they're are going to be demanding and at more locations.
> Oh I handed you your food that I touched for 14 seconds? 40% [t]ip. It's added by default.
>Oh I bagged your groceries? 70% mandatory [t]ips

I'm never eating out again. I don't care if I'm starving. Everything will be made at home from groceries I got at the self checkout.
Total fast food and restaurant death

>>21440619 (OP)
I haven't eaten at a restaurant since COVID.

>>21440619 (OP)
I would have left 2 euros

>>21440619 (OP)
leave the united states of america

>>21440619 (OP)
How did service monkeys turn out so entitled? Are they not aware that their job is the most bottom of the barrel replaceable there is?

>>21440619 (OP)
I don't understand how any of what she's bitching about actually affects her in any way. Her job is to carry plates back and forth from the kitchen to the dining area. The only reason monkeys don't do the job is because of sanitary considerations and given the hygiene quality of zoomers and alphies coming into the workface the monkeys are starting to look competitive. You got seventy bucks for doing basically nothing ho shut the fuck up.

>>21440648
If you've been led to believe that 20% is the minimum then 10% feels like you're being gyped.

>>21440619 (OP)
what the fuck happened to 10% being the standard? this is fucking ridiculous

>>21440619 (OP)
>20% is the standard
no isn't, what the fuck is this gaslighting shit

>>21440709
No joke, everyone knows 30% is the new standard.

>>21440711
it's 40%. i can't be expected to pay my employees a salary! i'll go bankrupt!!!!!

>>21440619 (OP)
>pic
Okay, I'll remeber to next time put in extra precise 00.0000 and underline it.

>>21440619 (OP)
rounding up to $700 would be a yuropeen tip

I don't understand why it's a percentage to begin with. If that $700 bill was because there were 40 people eating reasonably-priced meals that all required handling and attention, it would warrant a much larger tip than if it were 4 people eating stupidly overpriced meals because of the work required. How the customers "chilling for hours" required more effort on the part of the waitress is beyond me. I guess the only real way to make it work would be if restaurants paid appropriate wages, and built the cost into their prices, and if people had the balls to complain about poor service if it was anything less than great. And then, any thots claiming the practice was unfair could fuck off and find a better job with their lack of useful skills.

>>21440619 (OP)
I only eat at bars that have decent bar food and cheap beer, or occasional fine dining when the food is going to be really tasty and not something that I could make myself. Anything in between you're running into problems like picrel. Server entitlement is real and disgusting.

>>21440619 (OP)
Stormy Daniels has to be a waitress now? Now that her porn career is over?

>>21440619 (OP)
how long until we take the original bill and divide it in half to get the tip?

How often does the asshole attitude of "excuse me but the recommended tip is actually much higher than what you just gave, have you considered increasing it more to my liking?" work? Do people just cave rather than simply up and leave like in OP?

I wonder how many would skip the tip entirely if you were asked before hand if you wanted actual service for the tip fee or if you were fine with getting up and picking up your food from where the kitchen puts the finished plates? Then order whatever extras from the bar and pay at the cashier, for no extra charge.

>>21440768
>Move decimal over one
>Final Total =

>>21440750
Because there is a point where you're better off cycling through a larger number of smaller tickets than a single large ticket within a given time frame. Assuming that the $700 party required 4 tables and that the average normal bill per table is $50, the restaurant breaks even at the 3.5 hour mark. If we assume the tip is 15% on those average bills, from the server's perspective she lost out on $40 dollars compared to dealing with normal customers.

>>21440769
>How often does the asshole attitude of "excuse me but the recommended tip is actually much higher than what you just gave, have you considered increasing it more to my liking?" work?

It's made up. The manager isn't saying a damn thing to a customer over a 10% tip, they don't need the grief and there's no upside.

I understand tipping nicely for something like a haircut if they do a good job but tipping for food service never made sense to me.

>>21440619 (OP)
psychopath detected.

>>21440768
you don't need some ridiculous formula to figure out a tip.

it's $3 for every 10 spent. or $2 for every 10 spent. it's really simple.

I never tip based on percentage, just out of a max total of 4 dollars, a couple more if it's unbelievably amazing service (you blow me).

>>21440784
She didn't lose out on any money because legally her employer has to pay her minimum wage which is the wage she agreed to when being hired for the job which is a job that also only deserves minimum wage in the first place. Walk to table, act nice, bring a plate to table, act nice. Woah...Almost like it's an even simpler job than bagging groceries or frying french fries at mcdonalds.

>>21440619 (OP)
>I never tip
Checkmate.

>>21440709
Growing up it was 15%, that's what mom and dad always tipped when the service was good, 20% when the server went above doing their basic job, like this one guy we had at Denny's years back, cool dude.

>>21440768
>times it

Retarded. Every dumb kid from math class would say that.

>>21440863
You don't get it. Also, it's *whoa.
Thank you for staying home and living on your computer, you bitter fatass incel.

>>21440784
Why doesn't the burger flipper at Maccas get a tip? He used all his amazing skills to assemble your sandwich and risked his life around the hot oil for your fries. Sounds to me like a lot more done for you than carrying some plates.

>>21440910
No one at 'maccas' (degenerate Aussie cunt) gets a tip. But the cook at the nice place gets a cut of the server's tip.

the price of the food doesn't mean she worked harder. $70 is a fucking big tip

What would be more offensive to a server? No tip or a $1 tip?

>>21440768
> $10.75 x 3
> = $32.75

>>21440909
But I don't stay home, I just don't tip. I know...whoa, am I right?!

>>21440842
>it's $3 for every 10 spent. or $2 for every 10 spent.

>>21440619 (OP)
Wouldn't fucking doubt it, the cousins (sandwich chain) near me advertises tips in their recruiting posters

>>21440619 (OP)
>she works at a shithole that doesnt let you autograt 20% for large parties

BAHAHAH glad Im a part of the waiter master race.

>>21440648
you only get limited time and space during your shift. if a party takes up all your time and your section, youre losing out on money you couldve made if they just fucked off. but youre right that we are overpayed (in nice places) and its a ridiculous system. thank god though because its the only reason Im not insanely broke.

>>21441070
$1

>>21440768
>30% tip

she better be blowing me in the bathroom for that kind of rate

>made $160 sunday morning for 2 hours of work bringing plates back and forth for a 16 top private brunch

feels good man

>>21441070
$1 is more offensive. but i think the worst is when my table wrote CASH under tip and then.... didnt leave any cash.

>>21440910
the burger flipper gets paid hourly, we make 2.35 an hour that all goes to taxes anyway. oh yeah and we also tip out the restaurant a percentage of the money we earned, and a lot of places its based off food sales and not actual tips earned. meaning 95% when basketball americans come in, we not only serve them for free but actually pay for the priviledge. you go tell the greasy drugged up line cook he has to go deal with that now and see what happens.

is it really customary to leave 20%?
isnt 10% fine?

>>21440769
Actually, I bet it does work on blue pill simp men. This is standard femoid shaming tactics, and the end goal is to get these paypig men to cough up more and more money (it's always paypig men). It works exactly like the gatcha and F2P games - there are dumb ass whales out there that make those "free" services a fuckton of money.

And even if it doesn't work, it's all these caved in skull people know how to do. They will repeat this shit all the way to the unemployment line. But just like how loot boxes and other stupid shit actually stuck, us smart people don't make a difference, its the dumbasses that drive this behavior.

>>21440826
I don't tip for food. It's for drink service. Gives me an objective standard, and the waitress has 100% control if she meets it or fucks me over (aka leaving my cup empty). If the food sucks, I am not coming back. No time to waste on mid food.

>>21441179
no, we will talk shit about you the second you leave and give you shit service if you ever come back.

>>21441175
Sounds like you willingly signed up for a bad deal. If it's so shit why do you keep doing it? Oh wait, you actually make decent money that is mostly untaxed.

>tip
Kill every subhuman jew gringo mutt

>>21441197
Ive weirdly wanted to be a waiter ever since I was a kid and I enjoy doing it. would obviously prefer a real career but idk how to make that happen. I have no complaints besides the basketball americans.

>>21440619 (OP)
Why are people still confused about the source of the problem? Waiters aren’t greedy for expecting tips, they’re paid a wage by the restaurants that make them depend upon tips. You know this, I know this, everyone’s known this for 150 years. It’s a system to help incentivize good service, which was fine classically, but it’s been warped by businesses trying to get out of paying their employees. Now I get handed a tablet defaulting to 15% when I order a drivethru smoothie. I tip delivery, I tip wait service, because I like these systems and want those handling my food to care. I will not extend this courtesy to drivethrus and takeout, as this is not service, and while I’d rather not punish the employees, this is the only way to vote with your dollar.

>>21440619 (OP)
I order starbucks on the app so I am not assed to tip

>you WILL tip 20%
>it WILL not be taxed
>the restaurant WILL cash me out after each shift
>the never ending supply of waitress cunny WILL never end
>I WILL enjoy my half off discount on delicious food

server GODS we are so back

>>21441191
>we will talk shit about you
lol, have fun
>give you shit service if you ever come back
Enjoy getting fired when I complain about your shit service to your manager.

You are not owed my money unless it's listed in the price of the thing I purchase. Cope.

>>21440691
God only asks for a 10% tip so I don't get why they think they deserve more

>>21441220
Im not worried about it because my restaurant is way too expensive for cheap scum like yourself. cant even remember the last time I didnt get at least 20%. sux for everyone working in pleb joints though, used to be me.

>>21441219
I'm never tipping
>B-but I'll spit in your food!
I already got my food before I no-tipped you
>B-but next time!
I'm not coming back, and in the rare case I do and I see you I will pre-emptively complain to your manager and get my shit comped.

>>21440619 (OP)
I hope all servers die destitute.
t. The Cook

>>21441226
Go ahead and tell us what "expensive restaurant" you work for then

>>21441234
a local mom and pop upscale italian restaurant youve never heard of.

>>21441240
Fake

When I'm emperor of America it will be illegal for businesses to request tips. If you can't afford to pay your wagies then you can't afford to own a business.

>>21441246
I support the tipping system, because it means I get lower prices by not tipping. The simps who tip are subsidizing my chad feast.

>>21441249
A basic hamburger at a basic chain restaurant is like twenty dollars now. Whatever money these people are saving by not paying their wagies, they are surely not using it to make the food cheaper.

>>21441255
I'm still paying less than the cuck who is tipping. If you got rid of tipping I'd be paying the same as him.

>>21441220
Autism-sama… I…

>>21440619 (OP)
No one ever has to tip so that's on you

>>21441258
>get your finger cut off
>this is good for me because that guy over there got TWO fingers cut off

Why do unions do strikes but customers dont?

you'd think they'd ban tipping after waiters kill themselves en masse

I'm so happy that I've stopped going to restaurants. The amount of money I have in my bank account now is nuts. Man.. I really used to spend money. Thank god I have no friends now and never leave my house

>>21440769
That would actually make me want to revise my tip, instead of giving 5-10% I'd just round up to the nearest dollar.

>>21440619 (OP)
If they start demanding tips at McDickle I'm going to stop going

>>21441801
It will just be included in the bill. A flat rate they'll slowly increase.

>>21440749
Fucking this. Yuros round up to a number dividable by 5, thats actually an insane tip but mutts always have something to complain and be smug about.

>>21441175
>we make 2.35 an hour
here in portland orygun you make around $20/hr before tips, because waitstaff have to be paid the state minimum with no tip credits like elsewhere. and now a lot of places are automatically adding 20%+ service charges while keeping a tip line on the credit slip, and sometimes not very subtly pressing patrons to add more. lookin at you, nostrana. sounds like a great fucking deal for the waitstaff, right? wrong, because the service charges + extra tips are pooled and go to everyone so afaik a lot of times servers are making less than they would at similar restaurants in similar cost of living areas
>>21440638
working on it, america is a scam

>>21440619 (OP)
>>21440899
10-15% is the norm, with 20% being for over the top service.

>>21441191
And you wonder why you don't get the tips you want. Even if they raised the min wage, people like you would still do a lousy job because you're lousy workers.

Colossians 3:23
And whatsoever ye do, do it heartily, as to the Lord, and not unto men;

>>21440619 (OP)

Any place where the employee's entire job entails putting in the order on the touchscreen and nothing else deserves no tip

Honest replies only. Do any of you guys ACTUALLY add a tip on restaurant food? I feel like people who grew up on the internet or at least around my age 30-40 know how to torrent, knew how to take advantage of exploits way back in the day like when certain times you could get a large papa John's pizza for 1.29. You know, they follow deal sites, get Groupons, buy discount gift cards during the holidays and pair them with coupon or specials during the next year etc.

I just can't believe that... well... maybe zoomers/alpha they would quite literally write down a number of additional dollars that you don't need to. All that is eating into your credit card cash back and it's just... Why?

OK, I get it a little more now when they bring over those little devices and hover over you while you are typing things in, but that's only recently. It takes just a tiny ounce of fortitude and logic to not voluntarily pay more for something.

>>21441864
>10-15% is the norm

if youre brown

>>21441896
tldr also tranime pedo scum

>>21441902
>he caught the gay

>>21441896
Unless it says it's included in the bill (mostly in Europe) I'll leave a small token IF the service felt good. This basically means excess coins or such up to 5$/€. Also only if I don't get "encouraged" to do it with notices on the menu, signs hanging around or waiters looking disappointed if I catch someone else paying without a sizeable tip before me close by.

You should always strive to have good service and APPRECIATE if someone tips a single fucking coin instead of having an atmosphere of wasted energy if you don't get a 30% extra tip. The drunk fat cats will still come and shower the cute waitress regardless.

>>21440619 (OP)
>still tipping in the year 2025

I would have left $0.00

>>21441142
If you're on an 8 hours shift you get paid 8 hours regardless of number of tables you serve.
All your arguments boil down to entitled college dropouts that are being financially fucked by their employers because of lobbyists creating laws that benefit them and the public defend the profits of the employers with foam frothing out their mouths.

You see, in [the rest of the world] tipping is not an expected thing. It works and has always worked that way.

>>21440648
>monkeys
If not for "monkeys" breaking things just because they can, many restaurants would have already replaced servers with robots, tablets, and other automation. In Asian countries where there's no fear of random attacks on infrastructure, these systems already exist.

>>21440619 (OP)
I for one prefer the 'aw hell naw -4,62' negative tip but at least there's a moderate amount of dabbing on murilards

>>21441900
>I'm OK with companies hiding costs and outsourcing salaries to the customer by adding 20% to the bill

>>21440619 (OP)
I'd rather tip the chefs.

>>21440619 (OP)
Why don't Americans pay wages?

>>21441065
make that bitch carry 700 glasses of water lmao

>>21440619 (OP)
eurochad here, can someone explain the mentality in why someone who just brings food/drinks that someone else has made deserves extra money?

>>21440619 (OP)
>make $70 for less than an hour of work
>compain that you didn't make more
Only scenario I can see this somewhat justified is if "for HOURS" literally means their entire shift and they weren't given another table because they already had a big spender. But a place where less than 5 people are spending over 600$ sounds like this person is making a lot more than I am for 30 minutes of kissing ass a day.

>>21440619 (OP)
American tipping culture is fucking crazy dude.
Here in Europe, a tip is like, €5, maybe 10 if you were really happy with the service.
So the bill comes and it's €81.46 so you tell the waiter like "make it 85/88/90" and he says "thank you sir" and that's how we do it.
OR you might give him a hundred euro bill and you say "I'd like €10 back", that works also.

>>21441186
Your brain is rotting inside your skull, I can smell it from here.

>>21441776
They do you dimb cunt, it's called a boycott.

>>21441896
my boomer dad is the one who's tipping 20+ percent whenever we go out while I just want to do 15.
the more generous tippers are old people with more money to throw around, dunno why you're blaming zoomers

>>21442053
Burgers are so cucked by the jew mind virus that instead of pushing for laws and regulations that result in better wages for service workers, they truly believe that the consumer is responsible for doing that via an exorbitant amount of tips in addition to the taxes they already pay over the stated menu price.

Although, in Europe you do pay a compulsory tip via whatever variant of ‘service charge’ they put in the menu. It’s not a legally mandated tax that’s being passed on to the customer, it’s just the restaurant deciding to add on an arbitrary extra amount to your bill which will ostensibly go to the staff as tips.

>>21441213
>the basketball americans
Are better than you.

>>21441142
Do you submit your tips during tax time?

>>21441219
>I WILL tip exactly 0%
>you WILL throw a hissy fit
>me and my mates WILL wait for your shift to end
>I WILL keep one of your front teeth as a memory
>I WILL lose it while moving out

>>21441939
>you get paid for 8 hours
2.35 an hour in my state and my restaurant literally doesnt even bother giving it to us (yes its illegal but no one cares)
>fucked by their employers
if we had to rely on the restaurant to pay us a living wage we'd be absolutely fucked, minimum wage is still 7.something in my state. but with tips I make 20-30 an hour or even more.

>>21442019
Im the one getting the 20% and would make way fucking less being a wagie so yeah Im okay with being overpaid for an extremely easy job.

>Buy 17 dollar meal
>tip six dollars
>This is aparently extremely generous
>Buy 200 dollar meal
>tip six dollars
>This is apparently extremely cheap
Can anybody explain this to me?
Why are waiters tipped a percentage of total meal cost instead of, you know, a flat rate based on service quality?

>sell $150 bottle of wine
>make 30 bucks instantly for uncorking a bottle and pouring a few glasses
>will make another 50 bucks off the same table for bringing out a few plates, grabbing drinks and some light socializing
>can go smoke some weed in the back with the druggie cooks at any point and no one bats an eye
>work doesnt start until 4 pm so I can get away with being an all nighter degenerate

sweet gig desu

>>21442056
This is why I have zero empathy for these people, I know a guy who bartends in a wealthy area and often makes over a thousands bucks a night, and has the audacity to tell me I deserve to have someone spit in my food if I can't afford to tip well

>>21442261
>has the audacity to tell me I deserve to have someone spit in my food if I can't afford to tip well
I really don't get why you accept this faggot talking like this to you and not at least slapping him in his bitch mouth.

In the civilised world, the employer pays the wages

It's sad to see that the nigger attitude has infected the entire American society

>>21440619 (OP)
20% is a maximal tip for the very best service. Only for the most excellent servers.
15% is a full tip for great service.
10% is a minimal tip for minimum service.
If it was less than acceptable service, leave 0% tip.

Tip delivery men, bartenders, and people who carry stuff for you.
Don't tip if you pay before you get to enjoy your meal. (Unless they're open after midnight to give me food on third shift. I will tip a little even if you stay behind a counter, and it's not drive-through.)

I repeat, DO NOT TIP IF YOU PAY BEFOREHAND.

Also tip cute, thin coffee baristas without hair dye and no visible tattoos. Make sure you are seen tipping them directly and personally, however never tip others. This will sow the seeds of fun.

>>21442357
This

>>21442231
and how the fuck is that the customers problem?

maybe start complaining to your employer for not paying you instead of complaining customers don't give you free money for just doing your job...

I'm sure that if everyone stopped to tip then you would do something about.
but it's easier to just ask for free money and most retards will oblige because they're idiots and just become part of the problem...

>>21442392
>maybe start complaining to your employer
That won't do anything.
>it's easier to just ask for free money and most retards will oblige
Yes.
Do you have an actual point, or do you just want to keep blithering about your imaginary world where employers say "oh, you need more money? here you go" and where customers are perfectly rational actors that prioritize abstract incentive alignment?
Servers demand tips from customers because it's literally their only option. Yeah it shouldn't be the customer's responsibility, but the servers can't do anything about how the system works and they have to work with what they have
>just all collectively-
Doesn't work and you know it. Stop saying "just do [impossible thing]" and acting like you've solved anything.

>>21442402
>That won't do anything.
this type of attitude is exactly the problem

>prioritize abstract incentive alignment
abstract?
you can't get more concrete than "not spending extra money by tipping $0", it's a win-win, customer spends less, and becomes part of the solution

>Do you have an actual point
yeah, my point is that I'm not going to tip unless the service is extraordinary because I'm not going to contribute to the problem, and so should everyone else

moreover, I also re-iterate the point other anons made about how retarded it is that the tip is related to the total amount
just because I ordered more expensive food doesn't mean your job got any harder and you suddenly deserve higher tip

then again, I live in a country where waiters actually get paid a reasonable amount and tipping is not expected

>>21441910
based Iceland and Japan

the only people who don't tip are browns. tipping is white class. if you complain about tipping you are probably a shitskin

>>21442682
Asking for gibs is pretty brown, my dear maladjusted anon

>>21442690
fee for service is not gibs

>>21442691
Fee for service is called a wage. Begging for money from someone who isn't your employee is gibs.

>>21442711
tips
>you -> server
wage
>you -> house -> payroll -> server
they money goes to them either way so what's the issue

>>21441186
>Actually, I bet it does work on blue pill simp men. This is standard femoid shaming tactics, and the end goal is to get these paypig men to cough up more and more money (it's always paypig men). It works exactly like the gatcha and F2P games - there are dumb ass whales out there that make those "free" services a fuckton of money.

>And even if it doesn't work, it's all these caved in skull people know how to do. They will repeat this shit all the way to the unemployment line. But just like how loot boxes and other stupid shit actually stuck, us smart people don't make a difference, its the dumbasses that drive this behavior.

>>21442728
If the server is carrying my $20 plate of food from the kitchen to my table, what's the difference if they're carrying my $80 plate of food from the kitchen to my table? If I'm tipping 20% then why should I pay $12 more for the same action? Is it trickier to carry the more expensive plate? Employers are legally bound to make up the minimum wage if the server doesn't make enough in tips.

>>21442237
The waiter "eats" with you, you eat 500 dollars, the waiter gets 150, are you going to eat by yourself asshole?

>>21442751
I think you're just used to the luxury of restaurant and now want it for free. If you don't want to pay for overpriced food out then don't go. No one is forcing you to eat at establishments either. So who are you to decide expectations at a place where you are catered to as a patron? Talk about gibs faggot.

>>21442265
I mouthed off but he fucked my last 3 girlfriends as revenge so I shut up and tip 35%

>>21442763
It's not for free though is it? I'm paying for my meal. You refused to answer my question: why is it more difficult to carry a more expensive plate of food? If the action is the same, why should it cost much more in tips?

>>21442237
A simple explanation, anon

>>21442392
The client is my employer for those 2-3 hours that you spend stuffing your face so pay up cunt

>>21442775
So you're employing a cashier to scan your groceries, how much do you tip them?

>>21442785
Nope, the cashier works at the store, does his job.

>>21442786
The server works at the restaurant, does their job.

>>21442788
Yes, when she has no table to wait. The minute I am seating you, you are my employer. It's like hiring an escort :)

>>21442795
Pretty grim that you're not tipping your cashier. If your bill comes to $150, you really should be giving the cashier $30. Really fucking low of you.

>>21442803
The cashier should be paid a good wage by her employer, sorry not sorry

>>21440619 (OP)
There is a winery my parents used to be members of that had the manager go up to people and ask if they remembered to tip. This was a tip for their free tasting for being members.

that was removed from the bill btw
ayylmao

>>21441070
>>21441163
what about tuppence?

>>21442691
Spoken like a random busker

>>21442795
>The minute I am seating you, you are my employer.
Cool, you're fired then. Go home and don't come back.
Oh what's that? You won't do that because I'm not actually your employer and don't have the right to fire you? Then I guess I'm not fucking paying your wage either.

>>21442867
You want me to get the bouncer? He'll go Mau Mau on your ass if you don't sit down and enjoy this fine evening :)

>>21442871
You mean my bouncer who I employ to keep my dining experience free from riffraff? Yes, please go get him for me. There's an disgruntled former waiter here who needs to be escorted off the premises.

>>21441852
>nostrana
I will never go back because of this.

>>21442289
They do pay them wages, retard.

>>21440619 (OP)
It still has to be voted on by the house you retard.

Tipping is the custom whether you like it or not. its not rewarding exceptional service like it originated. if you don't agree with the practice, you should not be eating at places that accept tips.

>>21443114
This. Mandatory "WE ACCEPT TIPS" signs so I know the places to avoid.

>>21442682
Oh yeah that’s why tipping is primarily done in brown countries (America).

I've never paid taxes on tips. Any manager with half a brain will pay them out in cash.

>>21440619 (OP)
>tip $5 regardless of what I purchased or what type of establishment it is

Win some, lose some wagies

The moment tipping becomes mandatory the point of the whole thing falls apart.
If the restaurant and its employees require more money to provide food to people then they need to raise the prices that the customer can see on their website so they can go "I have 50€ to spend on food today, I shall buy 49.99€ pizza on pizza place italy like"

I just don't pay tips at all. Fuck entitled low IQ service wagies, especially the ones with their panties in a bunch triggered enough to whine in this thread

>>21440619 (OP)
God only asks gor a 10% tip. Nobody deserves more than that, not the government or a servant.

>>21441175
Just move somewhere without joggers. Too bad indians move everywhere white people flee to.

>>21442419
Nta but fuck, youre right. I was a server and bartender for the better part of ten years and when I was working at shitty chains, all I wanted was $5/table, 40 tables, in a 4 -6 hour shift. That was a night I could be happy with. For the fine dining though it did require extra work, being a high standard. You didn't have to know shit about the wine at the BWW. But at high end places I went out of my way to earn that $20+ tip per table, whether that be expert knowledge of a menu applebees consumers can't pronounce let alone afford, or charming, or silent - whatever the situation required. Only thing I wouldn't do was be rude to people or complain when I was being paid by the actual merit of my behavior and service. But I still can't really argue with what you said. Not in any meaningfully direct way

>>21440842
Nah, you'll get treefiddy and you'll damn well like it.

>>21442151
Nah it's more like tips are cash and you dont report it on your taxes so you just keep the cash
Americans dont like paying taxes

>>21442775
You spend about 10 minutes doing actual work for me during that time, so I pay you accordingly.

>>21440619 (OP)
Is this whore really complaining about a 70 (SEVENTY) $ tip? What the fuck is wrong with american waiters? What an absolutely shlomo cucked country

>>21441070
49% of a torn $100 bill :^)

>>21441213
>basketball americans.
you mean africans?
what was your worst experience?

>>21442682
so true oomfie

Maybe she forgot to show her tipping licence

>>21443961
12+ of them show up 10 minutes before close (10:50) and its my job to wait on all of them

rack up a 600 dollar bill

tip absolutely nothing

pay the restaurant about $30 in tip out for the priviledge of doing all that (as its based on food sales and not your actual tips)

clean up all their mess afterwards at at 12:30 AM

this type of scenario happened to me multiple times at my shitty chain restaurant btw. the joggers came there specifically because we couldnt add an automatic tip to the table which you can do at most any decent place for large parties. I wasnt prejudiced before I started waiting tables.

>>21440645
>female-dominated position is also swamped with "I should be paid for existing" sentiment
Wow I wonder

>>21444089
>t. Chud

>>21444076
>boo hoo I had to do my job boo hoo

>>21443942
You pay what my boss says you have to pay (min of 30%)

>>21444099
>I had to PAY MONEY to do my job

you would bitch about it too you stupid fucking faggot.

>>21444108
Change the laws if you have to pay to work lmao

>>21444111
>JUST CHANGE THE LAW BRO

thank god you retarded, broke fucking losers dont come into my current place of employment (anyone so broke they cant even tip would never consider our menu prices)

>>21444076
Sounds like you should get a better job
You can get a better job, right? You're not literally a slave doing the shittiest job imaginable because you're going to starve if you don't, right?

>>21444116
> I am a lazy piece of shit, I don't want something to change I want customers to pay my drug habit and child support

>>21444119
>>21444139
>I have brown skin

Im sorry anon

>>21444116
You retarded asshole, you complain about niggers and you marched to Monterrey and Salinas yet you don't want to march in Washington to get your rightful money

>>21444143
I am not brown!! I am aryan

>>21444076
are there any customers that are more disrespectful than africans?

>>21444143
It's cute how you're so poor and uneducated that you are forced to work a job that doesn't pay you and makes you clown yourself to joggers for tips, yet you have the audacity to call others thirdworlders

>>21444148
not even close. since I live in the deep south you will sometimes get hillbilly, cousin fucking white trash who also tip little to nothing, but even those people are a lot more considerate when youre waiting on them. africans dont tip AND they are incredibly obnoxious and needy. theres a small percentage of them who are perfectly normal and civilized but its definitely a minority. asians and hispanics were always incredibly respectful and tipped normally even if they barely spoke english. thank god I dont work in a chain anymore

>>21444151
I dont work there anymore retard, and it was still a good job when I didnt have dindu nuffins in my section.

Based. Fuck burger wagies

>>21444162
what chain was it?

>>21440769
My strategy for this kind of shit is to look at them and smile and say absolutely nothing, it really pisses them off

>>21441216
I was friends with a waitress, she used to drop by after her shift with a massive bag of bills that she got as a tip for that night and count them she made more money on a weekend than I made in a week

>>21444174
My strategy for you: I will spit in your food next time

>>21440784
>>21441142
>GET THE FUCK OUT, YOU ALREADY ATE NO YOU CANT JUST SIP YOUR COFFEE
>WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOURE NOT LEAVING A 30 PERCENT TIP!?
Not anyone’s problem. Get a real job.

>>21441191
>give you shit service if you ever come back
Genuine question what would you say the difference between good and shit service is?

>>21442232
Enjoy it while it lasts you will either get replaced or restaurants will start closing down until you are out of a job

>>21444192
not promptly greeting the table, not refilling drinks/taking forever to do so, not putting in their orders in time, letting their food sit in the window, not smiling or dealing with their small talk, not telling them about specials, not grabbing their dirty plates, rushing them out the door, not communicating with the kitchen the tables food requests, theres a lot of things. I always did my best even for the shitty tables though because it would just feel weird to be shit at my job on purpose, Im not that petty. a table who tips like shit will usually be redeemed by another table who gives you extra (if you do your job)

>>21444187
I'm not coming back after you gave me attitude and Im leaving a bad review online and telling my friends that the place smells like shit

>>21444190
this is funny. there are definitely a lot of entitled, POS servers out there like this. I fucking wish I could get a real job but Im a retard failure who dropped out cause I became a druggie. sober now but still a no degree retard so Ill probably be stuck doing this for a while.

>>21444197
>not promptly greeting the table,
That just leads to them being there longer and you flipping less tables. Congrats on fucking yourself over.
>not refilling drinks/taking forever to do so
Smaller bill means smaller tip, congrats on fucking yourself over
>not putting in their orders in time
Again lengthens their stay, congrats on fucking yourself over
>letting their food sit in the window
First time you’ve done something that fucks the customer over
>not smiling or dealing with their small talk
Literally nobody wants to hear you speak. Good service is giving me my shit and leaving me alone.

>not telling them about specials
That’s not bad service that’s something that fucks over your own restaurant and leaves them with dead stock depending on the ingredients
>not grabbing their dirty plates
Not really a problem unless it’s a multi course meal. And even then you’re just, again, prolonging their stay. Retard.
>rushing them out the door
Not your decision and thus not something you can even do
>not communicating with the kitchen the tables food requests
Congrats now you’re making the dish twice and prolonging their stay.
>theres a lot of things.
You named one. That isn’t “a lot”

>I always did my best even for the shitty tables though because it would just feel weird to be shit at my job on purpose, Im not that petty. a table who tips like shit will usually be redeemed by another table who gives you extra (if you do your job)

On this we agree.

>>21444214
>no one wants to hear you speak
if youre a shut in 4chan user, yes. I agree with that. but a lot of normal people actually do like to socialize, especially older and more lonely types. im not great at it myself but a lot of coworkers are great at schmoozing up tables and will talk to them extensively and will almost always get a bigger tip for doing so. works much better if youre cute and female of course.

>>21444221
>y-y-you must be a shut-in!!!
That’s cute and all but this isn’t true. Nobody goes to a restaurant to talk to the waiter other than, ironically, people who have no friends.

>>21444222
>no one wants to talk to me so that must be true for everyone else too

>>21444221
I will be a cute female soon :)

When did this tipping habit started?

>>21444231
Yes anon you’re the well-adjusted normal person on 4chan the rest of us are just shut-ins you spend time with.

>>21444238
I never claimed to be normal, Im a shut in autistic sperg too, hence why I said "I agree with that".

What would you do?
Simplest would be to round it up to a nice $1000. It would also be the decent thing to do.

>Tipping proliferated in the United States after the Civil War, when the restaurant and hospitality industries hired newly emancipated Black women and men but offered them no wage–leaving them to rely on patrons’ gratuities for their pay instead. Simply put, tipping was introduced as a way to exploit the labor of former slaves.

>“It’s the legacy of slavery that turned the tip in the United States from a bonus or extra on top of a wage, to a wage itself,” explains Saru Jayaraman, co-founder of Restaurant Opportunities Centers United (ROC United).

Color me surprised, it's the NBA Americans' fault

>>21444246
Sorry, I don't acknowledge panhandling junkies just because they're getting paid minimum wage to carry my microwaved syscoslop 20 feet.

>>21444162
>waaah I have no skills, no intelligence, in doing the easiest job in the world and I want strangers to help pay my bills
It's just tragic really: the mindset that these nigh on subhumans get into. At home, I have to bring my own plate to my table. I don't expect applause for such a menial task. It baffles me

>>21444246
you already got the autograt added, not entitled to anything more than that. disrespectful my ass, they already made more than 100 on a 4 top.

>>21444240
>too
Speak for yourself kiddo

>>21444246
That’s a 113 dollar tip.

>>21444265
>waaaah I have to pay money for a service or people will rightfully call me third world trash

welcome to civilization rajesh

>>21444278
Waiters do not provide any real service. I could order and pick up the food from the kitchen myself if they let me.

>>21444292
you can retard, its called ordering to go. no one is forcing you to come inside.

>>21440769
if a bitch said that to me I would legit cross out the original tip amount and put zero dollars and zero fucking cents. Entitled cunt. A tip is, by definition, extra, not required. By fucking definition. If it was required, it'd be included in the price of the meal, but it's not. Therefore you should be grateful you're getting anything at all.

>>21444278
I don't understand? They're taking plates from the pass, to the table. It's not an 'experience'. I what regard does that warrant any extra monetary units? Or if it does, how is it proportional to the bill? I expect that soup (usually cheap) is much more difficult to carry than a steak (usually expensive). So can you explain why that action suddenly deserves a greater markup?

Lets just agree that restaurants should pay waiters at least minimum wage and ban tipping so everyone benefits and no one has to get angry about it ever again.

>>21444246
How does a server do a good job? It's just taking food from point a to point b, a service dog does a more complicated job and they get biscuits as tips

>>21444321
They do pay them a minimum wage if the servers don't make enough in tips, they're legally bound to do so

>>21444325
allowing tips causes a perverse incentive for waiters to preferentialyl treat people they expect tip them more, so from restaurant and customers perspetive allowing it is terrible idea

>>21444325
every parrots this but in practice it never actually happens. the restaurant can just claim "you didnt make enough for these hours but made more than minimum for this other shift so I dont have to pay you".

>>21444319
it doesnt make sense getting paid more to carry a steak than a soup. but if it was a flat rate youd get paid the same amount for a 12 top than a 1 top which is also retarded.

>all this seething over people who are still poor and miserable people at the end of the day

oh well, time to go make $200 for four hours of carrying plates.

>>21444076
>pay the restaurant about $30 in tip
run that by me again?
why would you need to pay the restaurant?

>>21444335
>in practice
>translation: I'm a meek cuckold with a pink cockcage

>>21444335
>it doesnt make sense getting paid more to carry a steak than a soup. but if it was a flat rate youd get paid the same amount for a 12 top than a 1 top which is also retarded.
That doesn't make sense to me. How about a buck per plate that you have to carry? Will that get the sand out of your mangina?

>>21444321
>>21444325
>>21444335
Many states like California mandate minimum wage for service workers. So they are making $18/hour plus tips

>>21444340
virtually every restaurant requires you to pay them back some of the tips you make, which are supposed to go to other front of house workers like bussers, hosts, food runners and bartenders. basically restaurants are super jewish, so not only do they not want to pay the wages for servers, they want servers themselves to help subsidize other positions. this is industry standard. for some places this will be a percentage of the tips you receive, but more commonly its based off things like food sales or for the bartender, alcohol sales. and when you dont get any tip from a table, you still have to pay the calculated tip out based on the sales. meaning you actually pay the restaurant for waiting on a no tip table.

>>21444347
so why would anyone tip in cali
>you did your job and got paid
>heres extra for the threats committing crimes, you earned it

>>21444350
>this will be a percentage of the tips you receive, but more commonly its based off things like food sales
wow, the retardation runs deeper and deeper.
you'd think restaurants would like to incentivize selling the top shelf stuff, and have the waiters be motivated to be extra nice to the moneybags leaving two thousand dollars into your register, but no.

>>21444363
its a flat percentage, youre still making a lot more money selling bigger tickets than smaller ones. learn how math works, rajesh.

>>21444350
>buy into my employer's ponzi scheme
The rabid indoctrination is alarming

>>21444369
not if they charge you on food sales instead of tip received.

>>21440768
>$107.53 + $32.75 = $139.75
Try that again

>$10.75 x 3 = $32.75
Try that again

Maybe it's just me, but I don't understand why you're expected to tip a certain amount because of the amount of your bill. I tip based on the service I receive, like if my server brings out our food and checks in on us from time to time, they'll get a decent tip from me. But if they only just bring out the food, throw it on the table, and don't come back after, why would I give more money as a tip? Just because my bill was like $100-200? I find that ridiculous

>>21444242
>get a full refund because pizza arrived ice cold
>put it in the microwave and it's fine
>drivers ends up fired after numerous complaints
Nothing better than wagies destroying themselves over completely impotent rage

I don't tip for any reason. If the waitresses don't like me it's all the better that they avoid being friendly the next time I go.

>>21441896
I feel extremely guilty for forcing somebody to make slop for me. The tip makes me feel a little bit less like I personally harmed them. I do not go to restaurants often, I cook for myself. I don't like it when people (gfs, etc) want to cook for me either. It just makes me mad. This is probably autism or something but if you don't make your own food you are a disgusting retarded little baby who basically needs somebody to wipe their ass for them. So, when in the rare but dire circumstances where I must have someone cook for me, I have to tip by way of apology. Of course, it just goes to the greedy and worthless waiters and not the cooks in the back who deserve but, but I can pretend.

>>21441910
Many restaurants in the UK are now 15%. They even add it by default, the bastards that they are.

>>21444335
>every parrots this but in practice it never actually happens. the restaurant can just claim "you didnt make enough for these hours but made more than minimum for this other shift so I dont have to pay you".
Yeah, so on average they're still getting paid over minimum wage. That checks out.
If they don't like that volatility they should either:
a) save their money they make over minimum wage, to prepare for the volatility of their job.
b) get a better job where that volatility is not a factor.
Working at a restaurant is a stupid job to have, and I think people should eat there less so there are less of these stupid jobs and all the adults who should have gotten a job doing something uesful are outbid by the high schoolers for which this work is appropriate.

>>21440619 (OP)
>suggested tip
Why is this allowed unironically.

spoiled waitresses are my most hated kind of wagie
it's such an easy bullshit job, and they already make more than they deserve
and pretty ones are definitely making bank, from richfags and simps who want to not look poor in a group setting

>>21440619 (OP)
Tips aren't untaxed, you can just deduct tips from your income up to a certain amount when it comes time to pay taxes. Similar but distinctly different, its still better to just not report tips

>>21441213
>would obviously prefer a real career but idk how to make that happen
Kill a boomer and wear his skin

>>21440619 (OP)
They weren’t reporting 90% of their tips anyway. This part of the bill was just a fig leaf so they could say they were doing something for the working poor.

>>21442100
It’s even crazier that tipping in bars in the US is expected. With every drink. And if you don’t tip, they serve you last, and act like dicks. The drinks at most American bars aren’t even any cheaper than most of Europe.

>>21445551
Not true. Just run a tab. This is true in Mexico if you go to resorts though

>>21442040
because tipping pays more. the only people who don't like it are crabs trying to prevent other crabs from escaping the bucket.
>I work for minimum wage so you should too

>>21442053
it's a traditional old world culture thing, where you build a rapport with the waiter because he's a member of your community and you want to help him directly. you wouldn't understand.

>>21444324
Making sure you had a nice meal with no fuckups, conversation when asked for, not letting you sit around wondering where your waiter is, there is definitely a difference between a mediocre service dog and a good service dog.

>>21440619 (OP)
Tips still get taxed

>>21442402
>the servers can't do anything about how the system works
Not with that attitude. Unionize or fuck off.

>>21441142
>you only get limited time and space during your shift. if a party takes up all your time and your section, youre losing out on money you couldve made if they just fucked off.
explain this retard logic to me.

>>21441852
>america is a scam
If you're white, stick around. After they're done deporting the illegals, they're gonna start sending blacks to Liberia.

>>21446218
Look at this cope

>>21446217
how is this fucking difficult you subhuman retard

more tables=more money, less tables=less money. large party taking up your entire section for hours=less tables.

>>21446237
>more tables=more money, less tables=less money.
Explain this retard logic to me. You get paid a flat amount per table or something?

>>21446244
so these spergs that reject tipping just have no idea how jobs work? not surprised

>>21446245
You failed to explain your retarded logic.

>b-b-b-but I'll make less money per table!!!
not my problem. talk to your employer not me bitch

glad Im not such a poor and desperate subhuman I have to seethe about a few extra bucks at the end of meal or servers making 30k a year.

>>21440768
You mean un-times it by 2?

>>21441070
I just leave a fake folded 20 that when unfolded tells them about jesus.

>>21446436
Haha perfect

>>21441175
You cry that you want higher tips, but when tips are removed and you are given a steady hourly wage you quit and bail for a restaurant that still has tips so you can keep crying.

https://www.eater.com/21398973/restaurant-no-tipping-movement-living-wage-future

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/feb/13/us-tipping-restaurants-wages

>>21446444
>dirty fingernails
deserved

>>21446436
>>21446444
based

>>21442767
Sure bud.
>mouthed off
Try "tore off his knee ligaments and stomped his balls", wagie.

>>21442357
>Also tip cute, thin coffee baristas without hair dye and no visible tattoos. Make sure you are seen tipping them directly and personally, however never tip others. This will sow the seeds of fun.
You're an unbelievably big piece of shit simp. I can't believe you really dare to act so smug over giving free money at women.

>>21442795
>The minute I am seating you, you are my employer. It's like hiring an escort :)
Then get on your knees.

>>21444249
>former slaves are only allowed to work with no wages
>it's the NBA Americans' fault
Are all amerigroids hardwired to be unable to confront greedy kike business owners? You're the same as the server scum whining instead of negociating a living wage.

>>21446471
Who said anything about them being women?

>>21446467
Not everybody wants to have a criminal record Jamal

>>21446478
At the end of the day who is fucking who? That's right bitch, now pay me so I can vape and feed my mulatto baby

>>21446504
Never had any trouble with the law for putting faggots in their place mate. I just never used any kind of weapon.
>>21446508
All the tips I've given in my lifetime amount to less than 20$, and the last one was ten years ago. Looks like the little abomination will have to skip a meal.

>>21446516
Sure Internet tough guy.
This is you

I only give good tips but because it's so expensive I eat out much, much less. Usually 30%. I hate it.

>>21440619 (OP)
bitch got 10%, she should be happy with that. be mad at the restaurant that doesn't want to pay you more, I shouldn't have to break out more after already paying those fuckers for the meal. the eurofags are right on this one.

>>21446634
This is the CORRECT attitude.
Y'all: don't eat out if you can't afford to tip 30% min.

>>21443034
if they are expected regular tips then they get paid a reduced rate, retard

>>21446636
Consider maybe your server is a single mother? Ever considered that?

>>21446648
Y’all crackers sheeeeeeeiiiiit

>>21446681
>poor_starving_children_in_africa.mov
>with just a dollar a day, you too can save a life
we all have financial troubles and I ain't rich myself ok. if your attitude is
>if you don't got money for the tip, then don't eat out
well guess what, it's gonna bite you in the ass eventually, because most people don't have money for the tip, and would rather not have to subsidize your wages because your employer is too much of a greasy fuck to pay you correctly. what are you gonna do when the majority of people stop eating out? someone's gonna lose money, either way, and it ain't gonna be me. well, I'll prevent it as much as I can help it, and if that means that I won't eat out, then so be it.

>>21446740
My little baby boy needs Air Jordans and designer throwbacks Y'all chumps better pay me a fair tip

>>21446681
>server is a single mother
>give 0 tip
already tipped you on tax day, ho

Americans can't grasp the concept that they can fight to get paid a full wage and still receive tips on top of that, just like every other country in the world does