Thread 21448700

do i really need to spend hundreds on autism stones for my fibrox. i bought a weatstone from aliexpress some time ago but the edges of the stone come up from the stone.
i looked at the 60 yuro work sharp precision sharpener but apparently its fucking shit for chefs knifes.
i dont want a fucking knife hobby i want to cook.

>>21448700 (OP)
You don't "sharpen" your 'nox 'brox
Buy a new one, brokie

>>21448703
its an expensive ass premium knife

>>21448700 (OP)
You don't need an atoma.

>>21448714
doesnt the stone need lapping or whatever also i need a lower grit stone

those diamond plates shed fast if you use them to flatten stones. just get a low grit stone from the same make as the 1000 and rub them against each other

>>21448719
You don't want a stone flattening hobby, you want to cook. I had 4 shaptons, couple naniwas, and a surgical Arkansas for years before I bought an atoma 140.
>Need a lower grit stone
For what? Grinding out chips, reprofiling, thinning? You're just trying to sharpen a shitty knife, don't overcomplicate it.

>>21448700 (OP)
Get 1 of these off aliexpress

>>21448706
And therein lies the problem
You want to just use a knife? Then get something mediocre and just accept the consequences

>>21448746
I used to have a brand name version of one of those things. I got it because I was unhappy with my freehanding results. They'll teach you how much better at freehanding you are than you actually think. Like if you can use one of those and think you're getting good results it means you REALLY REALLY REALLY suck at sharpening.

see the thing is, sharpening is like any physical skill. if you're actually doing it right, it never gets easier, nothing is ever good enough, you just get better results. a sharpmaster gizmo with a bunch of clamps and angle rods and knobs and shit? that's like buying a nordictrack thinking it will get you in shape.

>>21448723
>>21448727
ok im gonna get shapton 1000 and 220 thanks niggers

>>21448700 (OP)
Don't get a fucking atoma, that's like complaining that cars are expensive and then the car you were considering to buy was a bentley.

If you want to be cheap, get a combination whetstone.
If instead you want convenience and less mess and are wiling to pay for that, get plates.
If speed matters to you, diamond plates. (Not the super cheap ones, they suck ass, the way they attach the diamond to the substrate and grid deviation is what your money goes towards).
There you go, somewhere between 15€ and 60€ depending on what you value and how your finances are and you're set for many years.

>>21448719
>>21448790
>>21448764
Forgot to mention, if all you have an issue with is that your stone isn't level and it's one of those cheap synthetic ones, go outside onto the street and rub it on the asphalt until it's flat again. That's the cheap (free) way I used to do it before I got better stuff.

>>21448790
combo stones are to stones what combination taco bell and pizza huts are for restaurants, you will never find good stone material used in a combo stone, and the combos always assume you were going to buy 10 other items anyway

>>21448798
>you will never find good stone material used in a combo stone
I'm not arguing with that, obviously it's cheap synthetic material. But you can get to a razor sharp blade with cheap synthetic material and it's a very low cost option. I got started on one, and while it wasn't the most pleasant experience, it got the job done and eventually made me get a better one. It's a solid choice for beginners or those who don't know yet what price bracket they should aim for in my opinion.

The issue is if you come out of the gate with "you need at least two stones, 60€ each or your knife will be dull", then half the people will get scared and not get any stone and another quarter will get one, then realize they don't use it enough to justify the cost.

>>21448808
I would have less of an issue with combo stones if they came with sensible combos but it's always some ridiculous shit like 1.2k/6k that's completely useless for a beginner. most of the advice thrown at noobs is aimed at just ensuring they can't actually remove any steel so their knives will have less visible damage when they inevitably give up and take their knives to a "pro"

>>21448815
>but it's always some ridiculous shit like 1.2k/6k
Maybe things changed or the market here locally is different, but my first stone was 400/1000 grit and if I look on amazon the most popular seem to be a 400/1000 grit and a 3000/8000 grit. Granted that latter one is basically trash, but the 400/1000 is a good starting point imo.

>>21448821
but even still I bet the two sides are the same thickness right? so the 400 is gone before the 1000 even starts to dish, and you can't even rub them together because they're bonded permanently. so you end up having to buy a flattening device anyway, and you might as well have gotten two good stones from the start

like I can sort of get if you need something to put in a bomb shelter or a survival kit but if you're buying full size stones for full size use, it makes zero sense to gimp yourself right out of the gate in a misguided attempt at a "one stop shopping" of sharpening gear

>>21448825
Again, it's my old stone that I don't even have anymore, and yes they were the same thickness, but for some reason the material on the 400 side was much more resilient. The 1k side was what was eventually gone, while maybe half of the 400 side was used up.
>so you end up having to buy a flattening device anyway
I just rubbed it on the asphalt on the street to flatten, worked fine since it's such a soft material to begin with and the losses from that don't really matter with such a cheap stone to begin with.
>and you might as well have gotten two good stones from the start
Anon, for 13€ (at the time) I got a stone that lasted me multiple years, that's just a value proposition that an expensive stone can't beat. Also I didn't know yet if I'd use it much (I have relatives who also got stones after seeing mine and they barely can be arsed to use them).
Again, it's like some dude saying he wants to go for a hike and you convincing him to get a boutique ultralight gear setup. Sure it'll be better and last longer, but it's probably not appropriate for a beginner.

>>21448834
the thing is sharpening is almost entirely a self-assessed journey and nothing is ever good enough, plus getting advice from others is confusing and frustrating, if you're reading advice online and trying to reconcile it with your subjective experiences there will be constant nagging doubts that you're even getting useful or meaningful advice, at least if you start with a known high quality product you can be reasonably sure that the product is not the weakest link and that it's your technique that needs more work, plus come on you can get better gear than you'll ever need for a $100 total spend, that's like a week's worth of groceries, how is that not worth it?

for me, I wasted so much money on half-assing things until I finally shelled out the "big bucks" (lol) on shapton glass and it completely ended my spergery, now I know I've maxed out the gear and I can relax and focus on my technique and not have half of my brain blaming the tool and half of my brain blaming my grip or which self-appointed expert I listened to, or whatever

it's not like a $600 pair of hiking boots that are probably not even the right boots and you didn't even buy the arcteryx shell yet, it's $100 and you've got the best sharpening stones money can even buy, seems like a no brainer to me unless you're really hard up for cash

>>21448848
I'm not saying what you got is bad, it's a great choice, my concern is just that people see the steep price and don't bother getting anything.

Stop falling for jewery and just get this or any of the other versions of the identical item that don't have the amazon logo. you will never actually need more than this and it can get you to horizontally slicing a tomato one handed. Buying an expensive whetstone is funkopop collecting redditor tier

>>21448915
Forgot my image because I'm retarded

sharpening and honing are a big meme if you're not a michelin chef.

indian street poo vendors perfectly julienne vegetables by holding a razor blade in between their toes. Why the fuck do you need to spend hundreds of dollars on a 5000 grit set of memestones???

I use the little one that's built into the back of a can opener.

>buy absolute cheapest set of knives from an actual cookware store
>buy pic related
>keeps my knives sharp enough i can cut whole chickens bone etc with just single slices

knife autism is a joke, you don't need a surgical scalpel level of cutting power unless you're actually like, doing brain surgery