Thread 21481864

Is there an ideal weight loss diet? I imagine most of us here that are overweight are overweight for similar reasons, due to the standard American diet. I'm going insane and I'm just sick of being fat. I've always been a little chubby or skinny fat, but I've been legitimately obese per BMI calculator for probably around 7 or 10 years now. Every now and then I can lose 10, 20, or 30lbs but I eventually gain it all back. It's just so annoying because I basically only eat twice a day plus I'll have a glass of milk at night. I don't even feel like I eat that much.

Right now my plan is just to do strict carnivore even though I hate it and won't do it forever. I did carnivore back in January and lost 20lbs in about 3 weeks then I stopped because I found it unbearable. That being said, I've eaten whatever I've wanted to since then and only gained 10lbs back, so I think if I lost a ton of weight I could actually keep it off this time.

I'm thinking about just doing carnivore for like 3-4 months instead of 3-4 weeks and seeing if I can lose 80lbs+. I'm currently 6'2" 270lbs and I want to get down to under 200lbs if possible. I don't want to count calories and meal prep all my food all week long and use a calculator, I just want to not be fat.

I've also heard of the snake juice diet but that seems a bit more extreme. I'm also very interested in the ray peat dietary philosophy but it doesn't seem ideal for losing weight. Basically I'd like to do carnivore for massive weight loss, and then shift to a more ray peat based approach for overall health. Thoughts?

pic related - kinda my body type rn

is being a dimwit a prerequisite for being tubby?

>>21481885
no, many intelligent ppl are fat

>>21481864 (OP)
Just cut soda out your diet completely and drink only water, coffee, milk, anything that isn't disgustingly sugary. And eat less. Don't even need to eat good. I eat complete garbage, fried Chinese food, fried chicken, kebabs, meat pies, pasties, no fruit or veg at all, and I've been losing pounds of weight over this past year, all because I cut soda out.

>>21481864 (OP)
just fast

>>21481864 (OP)
Just follow CICO and eat high protein but DO NOT deny yourself fats and carbs. You need a few carbs to not hate living and you need the fat for cellular functions. Eat a max of 2-2.5k calories a day. There's no need to go crazy with 1k or less calories a day.
I'd suggest trying 23 hour fasting in the morning. I've been doing that somewhat recently and I find it's easiest for meal management while still keeping energy decent. Whatever you do, don't fast refeed before bed because you'll get fat; I learned that the hard way. If you feel low energy, bump it to 2 meals a day or 3 as you need. Ray Peat is about keeping metabolism high. You can follow his ideology without being a 100% Peater. Regardless of whether you do keto or Peat, it's still going to need calorie restriction. You should follow whatever metabolism-boosting advice you can get from Peating as long as it fits your macros.
Protein is king. It will make you feel full, but if you eat carbs/fat after protein, your brain will trick you into being hungrier. Always incorporate protein in between your meals. Eating 100% protein WILL make you eat less because it's so filling.
Make this advice a lifelong lifestyle. Remember, you're not sacrificing good food. Your need to eat 800-1000 calories of protein and your ideal TDEE will need 2200-2500 calories. That's 1200-1500 calories of fats and carbs for you to enjoy life with, not to mention getting your protein doesn't have to suck (don't be afraid of saucing, breading, etc.; an unenjoyable diet is a diet not done).

However if you want to try carni for 3-4 months and disregard all my advice, at least remember to take a multivitamin and if you feel like garbage, start incorporating some vegetables and fruit into your diet until you feel less garbage. Don't binge on fruit. Vegetables are functionally calorie-free. Always try to finish your meals with protein to avoid hunger. A DIET THAT YOU DO NOT ENJOY IS A DIET YOU WILL NOT EMPLOY.

>>21482138
>CICO
>crap in crap out

>>21481864 (OP)
Carnivore diet. Just eat meat/fish/eggs. If that's too restrictive add veggies/salads.

Just give up, you will never lose it all

I just have one dinner per day that consists of:
1 protein (a chicken breast or skewer, one third of pork tenderloin, mixed beans, etc)
white rice (anywhere between 1/4 and 1/6 cup uncooked)
greens (roasted Brussel's sprouts, broccoli, peas)
That's usually enough to keep me satiated for the day, but if not I'll have a simple romaine and cucumber salad with dressing. It's working great so far.

>>21481864 (OP)
don't eat ANY sugar especially HFCS.

then you can eat anything else, but keep the calories as close to the calories for the weight you want.

>>21481864 (OP)
(optionally) keto the first month or maximum 2 to start losing those couple of pounds fast and get into the mood

Then a normal balanced calories restricted diet. In the meantime it's essential to learn "how to eat well", how to cook and re-tuning your palate to less sugary and less salty taste

The you need to mantain the diet for life otherwise you'll end up regaining all the weight you lost (and sometimes even more)
If you have more than 50 pounds that your ideal weight you NEED to go to a dietician or whatever it's called in your language otherwise it's almost sure you're gonna fail loosing or maintaining weight

The failure rate is huge despite, you'll have to fight all your life to control your weight once you gain it. It's a struggle, but the benefit are more than worthy

>>21481964
Name 4

1. Read https://physiqonomics.com/fat-loss/
2. Calculate your Body Fat Percentage: https://fitness.bizcalcs.com/Calculator.asp?Calc=Body-Fat-Navy
3. Calculate your TDEE: https://www.sailrabbit.com/bmr/
Remember to use bodyfat% and use Katch-McArdle Formula with sedentary settings or your TDEE will be too high.
4. Plan your weight loss: https://www.losertown.org/eats/cal.php
5. Track your nutrition with MyFitnessPal (better for packaged food), Cronometer (better for generic food/macros), LoseIt (great for both), or Waistline (FOSS).
6. Go to the gym 8x a day

>>21482104
I already don't drink soda except a few cocktails on the weekend when I drink

>>21482138
I've heard low protein actually helps you lose weight faster. I'm not working out to build muscle. I want to get skinny first

>>21482785
>I've heard low protein actually helps you lose weight faster.
You're mostly just going to lose muscle if you don't eat enough protein. Protein doesn't really provide that many calories.

What is your diet like now?

>>21481864 (OP)
There is. Book a holiday in the mountains. Do 30 km hiking trails with 1km height difference every day.
Eat proper food. Meat should be meat, fish should be fish, veg should be veg. Make or catch it yourself, ffs. Don't fucking eat tomatoes in December and expect to lose weight wtf is wrong with you.

>>21482806
>Don't fucking eat tomatoes in December and expect to lose weight
what a ridiculous statement

>>21481864 (OP)
Eat more calories than you expend. Seems simple but if you're eating the wrong foods it's not. I quit drinking 2 years ago and within the first year I lost 80lb. It wasn't that hard.

How I did it:

>CICO:

burn more calories than you eat. Easy. You need to eat the right foods so you're not hungry all the time.

>Lean protein:

Eat a ton of lean protein (chicken breast, pork tenderloin, fish). This will keep you from being hungry as your body burns the energy slowly, and it will prevent you from looking like a stringbean after you lose the weight. Also protein has a conversion cost. Only about 80% of protein calories actually 'count' since your body needs to convert them into sugars before you can even use them.

>Protein shakes:

if you drink a protein shake in the morning you literally won't be hungry until dinner, it's like magic. If you have digestion issues with whey, get whey isolate or plant protein.

>Complex carbs:

don't eat any fucking sugar or pasta or chips it just makes you more hungry like an hour after eating it. Eating like 300 cal of oatmeal or chickpeas gives you energy for hours.

>Veggies:

Eat veggies. They fill you up. It's a ton of extra food on your plate for not many calories. Tons of good micronutrients too. Just make sure to follow the next step.

>Less Oil (ketotards will seethe):

Stop dumping a fuck ton of oil into everything. People will make 200 cal of veggies and then dump 500 cal of oil into it. Just add less oil. It's not very filling (per calorie) and easy to overconsume shitloads of calories without knowing. Oil has 9 calories per gram whereas carbs/protein has 4g/gram. Sure it keeps you full for longer but that doesn't matter if you triple the calories of the food you just made by dumping a stick of butter in it.

>>21482834
..Cotinued

>Walking:

If you're out of shape as all fuck go outside and start walking. I did 5 miles a day when I started which took like 2 hours. If you're a fat fuck that's like 750 calories added to your daily expenditure. You were just gonna sit inside and listen to YouTube anyways so put in some headphones and walk. This part helps so much with not only losing weight but just mental health in general I can't even describe it. Goddamn I used to be miserable and just going outside and walking fixed fucking everything. Walking helps shed weight faster than running anyways since your body can directly metabolize fat cells at that level of intensity, rather than relying on glycogen stores.

>>21482836
(by faster than running I mean like 2 hours of low intensity cardio is better than 30 mins of super high intensity cardio for weight loss)

all the other posters in this thread are retarded and try to give you generic advanced tips, but there's literally only one thing that anyone needs to lose weight and it's learning to calorie count, everything else can be adjusted specifically for you by you if you have above 70 IQ

>>21481864 (OP)
If it tastes good, spit it out.

>>21482834
>Eat more calories than you expend
That's backwards, I'm guessing it's a typo.

>>21482836
5 miles is 750 calories? Lolno. Maybe 200 of you're huge, like 400 pounds huge. More like 125-150. Exercise is great for you, but does almost nothing for weight loss.

>>21482870
Yeah that was a typo, eat less than you expend lol.

A 150lb male burns about 100 cal/mile walking at a moderate pace on flat paved ground. OP is 270lbs and deconditioned. Walking 5 miles for him is absolutely 750 - 900 cal.

When I was a 270lb fat fuck just starting out walking 5 miles was a fucking workout, you're gassed afterwards.

>>21482870
>>21482893
You should workout not just because of the direct calories you burn, but also to keep the base metabolic rate up. And do some resistance training to avoid muscle loss. Even short, intensive bouts of training help.

>>21481864 (OP)
>I did carnivore back in January and lost 20lbs in about 3 weeks then I stopped because I found it unbearable.
what did you eat?

Here is what works, will keep you satiated and not wreck your shit:

LEAN
PROTEIN

But you people won't listen and keep chasing the latest diet fad bullshit and remain fat weak and subservient to israel

>>21482796
>You're mostly just going to lose muscle if you don't eat enough protein. Protein doesn't really provide that many calories.
>What is your diet like now?


Just like for example. On an average day I'll have a sandwich with chips and either soda or water for lunch. So, it'll be two pieces of bread, made with unenriched flour from a local bakery. A few slices of say mortadella and capiccola, or maybe just turkey, with one or two slices of cheeses, along with a tomato and avocado oil-based mayonnaise. Then I'll have small bag of chips with this or a couple of mandarins, and either a bottle water or a real sugar Pepsi.

For dinner I'll have something like a Bertolli bagged dinner (often chicken florentine or shrimp scampi) and then a glass of milk when I go to bed

Other times I'll make a dinner like Beef Stroganoff or Chicken thighs and white rice and then I'll eat that for 2 or 3 days straight as leftovers

>>21483039
>>I did carnivore back in January and lost 20lbs in about 3 weeks then I stopped because I found it unbearable.
>what did you eat?

I was fairly strict carnivore, only ate meat, eggs, cheese, and then for drinks water or black coffee. Some days I would have steak and eggs. Other days I would have salmon lox with cream cheese. Or I would eat a place full of bacon with eggs and cheddar cheese. Was usually some combination of the above. I just got so sick of it after a while

>>21483871
It's not a perfect diet but it doesn't sound like that much. Are you snacking and drinking soda throughout the day? Chips would be the first thing to cut out. Maybe the mayo.

You don't really want to keep relying on something you can't keep up long-term to maintain a healthy weight. It's venturing into eating disorder territory to do it like this.

I've had weight issues and cutting out starch seems to help me lose weight without making me feel worse. Oddly enough sugar seems fine and doesn't seem to cause weight gain and it stops me from getting tired and frustrated like carnivore diets or whatever can.

>>21481864 (OP)
It may sound strange, but I just read the /fit/ sticky and took many parts to my lifestyle. Stop doing diets. You always balloon back. Just change what you eat and stick to it.

>>21481864 (OP)
>Is there an ideal weight loss diet?
No. Fad diets don't work in the long term. The only way to reliably lose weight is CICO. That involves counting your calories and sticking to balanced meal plans (meaning eating only as much as you intended to, not necessarily portioning out a week's worth of meals every Sunday). Getting into a regular exercise habit doesn't hurt, either.

>I don't even feel like I eat that much.
That's because you're so used to eating way more than you should. I was shocked when I started looking at nutrition labels and seeing that I was eating close to 1,000 calories more than I thought I was each day. Once you're used to more normal portions, you won't even need to rigorously count calories anymore.

>>21483889
Haha I though this was some e-guitar but it's a guitar hero controller

yeah a 2000 calorie diet if the only thing you do is count calories you'll lose weight.
I lost 50 pounds in 5 months.

>>21481864 (OP)
>Is there an ideal weight loss diet?
Consuming less calories than you burn. How you do that is up to you.

>>21482836
2 hours is fucking insane i would rather just smoke cigarettes and drink diets cokes like a super model and starve myself

>>21483871
Alright I'll make this super simple.

No more sandwiches.
No more chips. (2 bags of chips a day is shameful btw)
No more soda.
No more fucking bertolli bagged dinners.
Not more noodles with your beef stroghanoff.
No more 'real sugar pepsi'.

Noodles, bread, soda (whether it be real sugar or corn syrup) = SIMPLE CARBS. cut that shit out. You're eating like 2000 cal per day of simple carbs.

Chips are even worse. They're simple carbs soaked in gutter oil that triples the calories.

OK so what do you eat?
>chicken
>fish
>shrimp
>lean pork
>Some rice (don't overdo it you fat fuck, and don't add butt tons of butter to it)
>chickpeas
>oatmeal
>low fat versions of any dressings in small quantities
>small quantities of Potatos


Omg but how will you stay full?

Veggies mother fucker. Steam them or eat them raw. Dip them in some low fat dressing. Don't fucking fry them in a stick of butter. They fill you up.

Multiple sodas and bags of chips and frozen noodles keep your ass fat. It's not the seed oils or carnivore bullshit. It all that high cal high glycemic index trash.

And get out of your gaming chair and go walk bitch

Go get it. And once you reach your goal weight slowly add some junk back in until you are no longer losing weight.

>>21484224
And let me add a little context of WHY youre gonna eat this way.

Just like everyone in this thread keeps saying: CALORIE DEFECIT

>but why can't I just eat the same type of foods but less?

You could do that but you're gonna feel like total shit all the time. You're gonna want to run a 1000 cal defecit, which works out to about 2lb per week.

Eating nothing but shit food at a 1000 cal defecit will make you feel like complete shit and you'll be hungry as fuck all the time. These foods you're eating aren't designed to provide energy throughout the day, they're designed to give quick bursts of energy. Simple carbs fuel intense workout sessions, weightlifting, long distance running, etc... Do you do these things? Fuck no you don't. So don't eat the nutritional equivilant of jet fuel.

Start eating low glycemic index shit with low calories. Lean proteins and complex carbs with a little oil sprinkled in. And do so at a defecit. You'll feel great all day. You'll probably never want to go back to eating shit foods when you're done. Youll realize maybe it's not normal to be exhausted all the time and maybe the reason you've felt like shit over the past years was because you were shoveling garbage into your face.

>>21481864 (OP)
There is an ideal weight loss diet FOR YOU and it's THE ONE YOU STICK TO. There is no "ideal weight loss diet" for everyone.

For me it was making a menu of meals and portioning the ingredients out the same way each time. E.g. a pasta dish only has 50g of dry pasta, dry rice I scoop out with american measuring cups so 1/3rd cup (about 60g dry).

I don't each lunch, but I can have as much as I want of the following between breakfast and dinner:
-Whey protein
-Apples
-Oranges
-Black coffee
-Fasting salts (dioralyte works in a pinch)
-Chewing gum
>anon, /fit/ told me "don't do diets".
/Fit/ was essentially correct. When I'm not on a cut, I eat from the exact same menu except:
1. I eat lunch
2. I use cooking oils/fats instead of frylights
3. I have milk with my coffee
4. I have salads with EVOO, olives, and feta on the side with meals to add a few kcal in a healthy way.

>>21481864 (OP)
>Is there an ideal weight loss diet?
yes
Watch McDougall Videos on youtube. His argument is that high fat and animal diets are poisonous and make us gain weight and develop diseases.
But tweak his diet with my advice:
Skip rice, it doesn't have enough fiber - replace with beans and bread and other fibrous starches. Tomatoes go well with beans.
Consume non fat dairy, but avoid animal meat. Skim milk is fine.
Sweeten food with aspartame so it tastes good.
Do take a multivitamin. McDougall thinks they are a waste. he is very wrong on this one.

>>21484308
re:the ONE YOU STICK TO
>CICO
I didn't stick to it
>Keto
I did it for a month, but the calorie deficit wasn't great because my life was a little chaotic. When I didn't have lunch prepared I would eat calorie dense foods like cheese and sausage.
>Nicotine pouches
LOL, didn't work, nicotine just made me feel sluggish and unmotivated.
>Water fasting
Did it for 11 days, saw great results, but it's not a sustainable strategy for months (no shit) which is where the real progress is made. I also had to take time off the gym which is bad. The goal is to lose FAT, not fat + muscle. If you fast for too long you'll hit a point where you lose muscle.
>Intermittent Fasting
Close to what I do now, but usually people on IF skip breakfast and that doesn't work for me. I like to lift in the mornings and be my most productive then. I struggle to use 100% of my brain on an empty stomach.
>Nailing down long term eating habits and just skipping lunch when I want to lose weight
Works. BTW - if you do this, make sure you get a lot of protein in both meals, e.g. >50g. The more of your diet is protein the less hungry you'll feel.

>>21484312
Never done this myself so can't really comment but I will add this:
If you have rice, measure it out before cooking and add a "filler" (e.g. garlic&onions,mushrooms,beans).
A typical meal for me is a source of protein + filler + rice.
For example, look into cajun rice and beans or brazil-style rice and beans and make sure you use a lean protein source. I use 5% ground beef.

Breakfast should be some low fat yogurt with muesli.
Typical meal: 150g of meat, 80g of rice and as much vegetables as you want.
Then you can snack with one apple between meals.

Et voila

>>21484332
For me, it's greek yoghurt with 1-2 protein scoops and some chopped up banana & blueberries
Whey mixes REALLY well with greek yoghurt

>>21484329
All those meals have too much fat in them. The McDougall program is a very low fat high starch diet. 'Filler' isn't necessary, just eat more starch. His diet is vegan but I eat a vegetarian version.

>>21484312

>Dr Mcdougall
>Claims meat causes cancer
>Claims vegetarian diet will save you from cancer
>Gets cancer
>Dies

RIP lol

>>21484339
77 is old. He suffered a massive stroke when he was 18 years old.

>>21484338
Mcdougall had the physique of a holocaust survivor. 6ft 4 and 140lbs. He got cancer and then had a heart attack that did him in.

Do not take nutrition advice from someone like that lmao.

>>21484338
Define "too much fat" - that can indeed be an issue
Personally, on a cut I use frylights so the only fat is what's in the 5%. So for me, it's not too much.
When I'm not on a cut I portion out the fat - e.g. measuring spoons for oils, and scales for solids like beef tallow or pork lard.

>>21481864 (OP)
raw carnivore

>>21484351
He helped many people. Look at the people who follow his diet.
We are starchivores. Our body works correctly when we eat mostly starch.

>>21484356
I use cooking spray as well. I use it to get seasoning on air popped popcorn to stick and on toast for a extra rich flavor. I treat fat like a garnish.

>>21484402
*5% ground beef I use

>>21484399
retard you dont have a cecum

>>21484356
Here is my diet

3400 cal daily
- 1lb lean meat per day
- 2 scoops protein powder
- 600cal rice
- Bowl of oatmeal in morning
- whatever the fuck else I want to fill the 3400 cal daily and get 50 extra G of protein

Lift weights 4 - 5 times/week

Bike 35 miles or Hike 10 miles with 60lb pack on Monday Wednesday Friday and Sunday.

Stats:
6ft
195lb
13% BF

If I cut I just go down to 2000cal and maintain the same level of activity.

>>21484312
WEF stooge. veganism is suicide

>>21484430
Good plan OP, similar to what I do.
For me it's:
250-500g 5% ground beef or lean meat fried with frylight (use powdered seasonings to make it taste good)
Protein powder to help hit protein target
I can have the meals in any order but I never have more than 400g cooked rice or 1 tin of black beans/red beans a day

Gym 6 days a week BJJ 2x week
This comes down to around 200kcal / day
>why are you cutting?
lived off uberjeets during exam season and didn't focus on lifting/bjj, so I got fat

>>21484478
*Good plan fren (you aren't OP ... I don't think)

>>21481864 (OP)
replace all your drinks by water
have 1 full meal and 2 small snacks per day

>>21482601
>>21482601
>Name 4

William Howard Taft

Warren Buffet

Benjamin Franklin

Peter Higgs - the guy who the Higgs Boson is named after

>>21483879
>It's not a perfect diet but it doesn't sound like that much. Are you snacking and drinking soda throughout the day?

No, that's literally all I eat.

deleted rest of post and put it in screenshot, for some reason 4chan thinks this post was spam

>>21484430
Glad that works for you but that sounds beyond miserable to me. I'd rather be fat and out of shape than live like that. Hiking 10 miles with a 60lb pack 4 days a week? Are you serious?

I assume you're extremely in shape and get mad pussy. If not, then what's the point of all that work?

>>21485052
not op but exercise is marginally fun and makes u feel better if u stick 2 it, even just walking a bit each day will make u feel better

>>21485052
Yes I am extremely in shape

No I don't get mad pussy

I do not bring my phone or headphones with me. It takes like 3 hours to do.

I do it because it feels good and I don't like being depressed all the time like I was before I started doing it.

Its my time to unplug and makes me feel like a kid again. Being plugged in to the internet and using podcasts/music to drown out my own thoughts with constant noise had really shitty impacts on my ability to think clearly I realized. Going out into the woods and hiking like this does things I can't even explain. Things that make life feel less complicated and overwhelming.

Also by the end of the hike the constant exertion gives a runners high that's way better than alcohol/weed and there's that. IYKYK

>>21481864 (OP)
Eat mostly fruits and vegetables. They're more filling but have low caloric density.

>>21481864 (OP)
No dairy or meat
No soda or carbonated drinks
No oils
No added sugar
No artificial sweeteners
Go low sodium
Every single doctor I have ever seen says the key to a healthy diet is eating plenty of raw fruits and vegetables and they're right. Most fruits and veggies (besides avocado) are naturally low fat and low sodium. The key to not being FAT is avoiding FAT. Insulin resistance is caused by FAT. The more fat and animal protein you eat, the less you will be able to properly digest carbs.

>>21487591
Retarded and wrong

>>21487600
Eat an apple and let's see your blood glucose numbers.

>>21481864 (OP)
>Ideal Weight Loss Diet
NO FOOD!
NONE!
Here's some motivation:
>YA FAT FUCK!
You'll thank me!

>>21481864 (OP)
one meal a day, same time every day

>>21487591
>Every single doctor I have ever seen says the key to a healthy diet is eating plenty of raw fruits and vegetables

You should eat fibrous starches, not fruit and veggies.

my anorexia diet

>breakfast
greek yogurt with berries, a packet of instant oatmeal, or a protein bar

>lunch
spinach, tomatoes, 3 oz chicken breast, and 2 precisely measured tablespoons of thousand island dressings

>dinner
a ~500 calorie portion of whatever me or my mom made for dinner

>exercise
10,000 steps a day

good luck have fun. 0/10 would not recommend

The only way you can reliably lose weight is eating less through sheer unadulterated willpower. Everything else is just a tactic.

It's easy but you won't want to hear it: cut refined sweeteners and seed oils (which means most chips).

>>21481864 (OP)
Part of the issue is (and will continue to be) that you're doing fad dieting. I don't know how well the Carnivore diet is for losing weight, but, even if it is, you'll just gain weight back once you go back to eating normally (and having your weight fluctuated that wildly is bad for you, too). Instead of dieting, try to make a change in your lifestyle choices. Eat more vegetables (no sauces or dressing; just salt and pepper and, maybe, a small amount of butter). Choose smaller portions and find something healthy to snack on, between meals (e.g. raw almonds, snap peas, grapes, etc.). Also, implement some sort of exercise into your routine. It doesn't have to be heavy lifting, though that's probably best, but you could just make a habit of going for a daily walk. Even just skipping the elevator to take the stairs will help some or drinking your coffee black, no sugar. Clearly, your day-to-day isn't working for you, so make some changes.
It won't be fun, at first, but you get used to and eventually enjoy them. Don't change everything at once, either; a small change or two, make them habits, and then add on. Too much at once and you won't stick to it. Once you start feeling better, you'll become more motivated, too. Also, maybe check in with /fit/.
As a formerly fat anon, I wish you luck.

>>21485020
Well gee if they are so smart why can't they lose weight?

>>21485205
>not op but exercise is marginally fun and makes u feel better if u stick 2 it, even just walking a bit each day will make u feel better

yeah, I plan on trying to do the 10,000 steps a day thing soon. I can walk to and from work, so I'm going to start doing that and ramp up from there.

>>21486726
>Also by the end of the hike the constant exertion gives a runners high that's way better than alcohol/weed and there's that. IYKYK
I don't really believe this, but I'm glad it works for you. I mean I've been tired after exercising for long periods of time. It's a nice feeling I guess

>>21487747
>I don't know how well the Carnivore diet is for losing weight, but, even if it is, you'll just gain weight back once you go back to eating normally (and having your weight fluctuated that wildly is bad for you, too)

That's the thing though. I did carnivore for a few weeks in January, lost 20lbs, and I've still kept most of it off. I stepped on the scale yesterday and I was 265 so I've really only gained 5lbs back. I guess my point is that I don't think I drastically overeat. I think I have some periods over the past 10 years and you gain 5lbs here, 10lbs there, and if that happens a couple times a year for 5-10 years in a row then that ends up adding up to being 100lbs overweight. But I think if I could shed that weight, I would not gain it all back

>>21487710
This is basics. It’s always a shock to me when people think they are being healthy while having a diet loaded with those, ultra processed foods, and things like fruit juice.
Vegans are often tragically idiotic with this. Not only are the fools cutting out the most nutrient dense foods available, they supplement with poison.

>>21481864 (OP)
>breakfast
piece of toast
>lunch
a sandwich
>dinner
chicken breast, 2 thighs, a piece of beef or pork similar sized with vegetables.
some cheese. an egg or two.

>>21481864 (OP)
It’s called a bicycle, lard ass.
>BUT MUH HECKIN MEME DIET! I’M A BASED CARNIVORE
The key to losing weight isn’t spending more time in the kitchen, fat ass. If you’re serious about weight loss (meaning you exercise, not just try to eat your way into a healthy diet) you’re going to feel awful without antioxidants. All you need to do is eat a balanced, wholesome diet at a calorie deficit. This retarded meme diet nonsense is only going to fuck you up worse

>>21481964
>no, many intelligent people are fat

>>21482104
You are still eating cream pies too, huh

>>21485036
Yeah if I respond to more than three posts I get that too. Shitposting poltards get away with it though. I'll never understand. But it's because you're replying to like six posts at once.

A diet that works for me is a 600-700 calorie meal, plus a plate of steamed broccoli or raw carrot sticks. I don’t snack between meals. If I eat something unhealthy, like doughnuts, I’ll wait a month before I have it again. I’ve lost 2 lbs this way…

>>21481864 (OP)
keep doing whatever you're doing, it'll get worse before it gets better. in mean time, just layer clothes to hide your condition or hang with ppl who are even worse condition than you to make yourself feel better.

>>21481864 (OP)
>Is there an ideal weight loss diet
Yeah, whatever you're eating but less of it.
>I'm going to go strict carnivore!
You're being retarded. Don't worry, it happens to the best of us.
Stop looking for a universal solution and start actually looking at what you're eating. Figure out where you're at so you can plan properly for you.

Look at everything you eat in a day. Not just meals, drinks and snacks. Figure out a rough estimate of how many calories you get in a day and where they're coming from. Chances are just doing that much will reveal you're drinking an extra meal of calories in soda every day or eating 600 calories worth of "low fat" chips.

Find reasonable ways to reduce your calorie count without drastic changes you can't sustain.

>bertolli bagged meal
That's for two, you regularly eat the entire bag?
>Just a sandwich and chips and soda!
How big is the sandwich
How big is the bag of chips
How big is the soda
You're not giving enough information, the bertolli bag is like 900 calories but this meal could range anywhere from 750 to 1250

I'll tell you a cheat code for weight loss:
Digestive enzymes.
Specifically protein-digesting enzymes found in papaya, pineapple juice and some other tropical fruits.
Once I started eating papaya or pineapple daily, the weight started to fall off.
Down around 100 pounds in 6 months
I feel like this is a huge secret they don't want us to know.
It's literally that easy: either eat papaya or take digestive enzyme supplements daily, weight falls off. At least that is true for me
Google "papaya + weight loss", other people have reported success too

>>21481864 (OP)
>Ideal Weight Loss Diet?

how do you OMAD bros do it? Is there an ideal time you've found?

The answer really is carnivore though
It's impossible to over eat steak

>>21489018
thank you for explaining that


>>21490349
>Look at everything you eat in a day. Not just meals, drinks and snacks. Figure out a rough estimate of how many calories you get in a day and where they're coming from. Chances are just doing that much will reveal you're drinking an extra meal of calories in soda every day or eating 600 calories worth of "low fat" chips.

realistically I could cut out milk as a beverage and I'd consumer 300-500 calories less per day. And I'm fine with that, but that really seems like the only "extra" thing I eat during the day

>>21490373
>>bertolli bagged meal
>That's for two, you regularly eat the entire bag?

An entire bagged meal is like 750-900 calories depending on which one it is. If I have one like 500 calorie sandwich per day, plus that bagged meal, that doesn't seem like a lot

For the sandwich as said earlier it'll be something like two slices of bread, light avocado oil based mayo, 2-3 pieces of mortadella with 2-3 pieces of cappacolla, and then maybe a tomato and some lettuce. More often than not it's just 2 mandarins and not chips

>>21490477
holy fucking checked bout to google the fuck out of this

>>21481864 (OP)
Breakfast
Fish or chicken baked or steamed
Rice
Broth
Vegetables both pickled and fresh
Fresh fruit
Tea, coffee, water
Optional dressings: soy sauce, vinegar, lemon
Lunch
Rice
Egg either boiled or omelette
Tomato
Protein dish or soup
Dinner
Grilled pork/beef/fish/chicken
Salad
Broth
Snacks
Seaweed
Rice crackers
Tea

>>21481964
Intelligence is a vague term. Nobody wants to be fat. You feel all gross and jiggly.
It is usually a sign of a character flaw and/or weakness.

>>21488397
taking the black pill and accepting defeat

>>21481864 (OP)
Just fucking eat less

keto is better than carnivore, it allows more variety and thus less boredom about the food
you can make a soup with meat and veggies and it resembles an actual meal
you can eat sweet things like turkish yoghurt, sweetened whey powder + low carb berries + nuts
you dont need to pay for 20-30$ per kg meat pieces to fill your stomach, veggies + oils are cheaper
theres low carbs breads you can buy

since you dont get the thrill of eating sugary stuff all the time the general appetite for food is less. Blood sugar levels will be less spiky. It allows more of that eating when you feel like lifestyle that easily leads to obesity when you have access to ice cream and such.

Still you need to combine that weight loss with regularl exercise. Jog couple hours a week. Lift weights at home using a whole body exercise routine. That + keto will lead to a much healthier self.

>>21481864 (OP)
eat 0 fat for like 6 months, you can also restrict protein for much faster results. (u will lose muscle) then never put seed oils, nuts, ior anything with substantial amounts of poly/monounsaturated fats in your mouth ever again and you'll probably stay relatively lean for the rest of your life.
Also sugar is good for you.
Don't listen to the retards here. Protein is literally trying to kill you. Fat fucks/metabolically unhealthy people should never eat excess amounts of protein/BCAA cause all of that will turn into fat not muscle

>>21490599
You shouldn't feel gross and jiggly if ur carrying extra weight. A fat person who's fat off cheesecakes and Ice cream would be so much healthier than another fat person who's fat off fried foods. It all depends on the bullshit u were eating before u got fat.

>>21481864 (OP)
Also OP don't stress unless u want to stay fat forever

>>21490498
Dont keep any prepared food in the house. If you want something, you need to either go get it or cook it. Is that bag of chips really worth putting on your shoes, getting in the car, driving to the store, AND breaking your fast?
This will make cooking less efficient cause you have to do it every day but it works for me.

>>21491036
This is good advice, also eat your meal before you go shopping when you do.

>>21490547
If you're eating a 500 calorie sandwich with a 250 calorie soda and 250 cals of chips and mayo and then 400 calories of milk (!?) you're hitting 2300 calories.

>>21490477
thanks for typing all that and not explaining how "digestive enzyme" even works asshole

>>21482601
Thomas Aquinas
David Hume
Samuel Johnson
GK Chesterton

>>21491148
>ever taking a fruit shill seriously
even /fit/ isnt that gay and retarded

>>21490477
I have some trouble digesting starch and protein but not as much digesting fat and sugar. I've wondered if digestive enzymes could help. Although just eating more fresh fruit is good for weight loss anyway because it's really hard to overconsume calories with just fresh fruit. Pretty much anyone on a fruit only diet is quite thin.

>>21491148
Your pancreas produces digestive enzymes to help digest fats, carbs and proteins.
In my case, I had a protein heavy diet with lots of meat and bread. My theory is that my pancreas wasn't producing enough protease (protein-digesting) enzymes to keep up, leading to a sluggish digestive system and weight gain.
After adding more protease enzymes to my diet (Papaya) my digestion improved massively, and I started losing weight.
>>21491712
Besides the enzymes, there's also the fiber. Papaya contains both types of fiber and it's relatively low in sugar for a fruit, especially if you eat it green. In Thailand all the girls eat som tam (green papaya salad) to stay thin. It works.
After cleaning out my gut with papaya I'm starting to understand why some people become fruitarians
It's really life changing when you repair a sluggish digestive system.
Like a brick has been removed from your guts and you are full of energy again

>>21481864 (OP)
Count calories with an app, be honest about it even if you bust the limit
Cook from scratch as much as possible, don't buy premade snacks. If you're gonna eat a dozen cookies, at least have it be homemade ones with normal ingredients instead of industrial slop.
If you're hungry between meals, drink some water first and wait a bit, it will usually pass.
Slow and steady wins the race. There's no point in doing an extreme diet if you're going to put all the weight back on after. You need to change your habits and get used to eating properly.
Do some physical activity, anything. Even just bodyweight squats while watching your favorite vtuber helps.

>>21481864 (OP)
just beg your doctor for ozempic you fat fuck