Thread 21505035

>leading cause of death is heart disease
>leading cause of heart disease is high blood pressure
>leading cause of high blood pressure is high sodium diets
>the American Heart Association recommends no more than 2,300mg of sodium a day

Anyone else noticing this correlation

>>21505035 (OP)
Second leading cause of death? All cancers.
Third? Medical malpractice and error.

Half of the US also has high blood pressure, mostly undiagnosed. That means if you think you don't have high blood pressure, theres actually a coin toss that you do and are just blissfully ignorant.

>>21505035 (OP)
>>leading cause of high blood pressure is high sodium diets

No, it's being a fat fuck you lying tub of blubber.

>>21505042
Did you know that blood pressure readings went down nation wide durring covid especially among women age 18-35 and homosexuals? Yeah... cause I had to wear a mask. I too pretty.

>>21505042
I'm 130 pounds and I have high blood pressure for a day or two if I eat a bunch of salt. Weight correlates strongly with blood pressure but stimulants, sodium, and stress levels also strongly correlate.

i eat a high sodium diet but i make sure to drink 24 beers a day to flush my system out. the body is a system of checks and balances. if you're doing one thing unhealthy do something else healthy and you maintain equilibrium.

>>21505038
third is actually accidents in general. medical errors might be included in there, but people falling off stuff and dying from their injuries is a lot more common than your surgeon making a bad enough mistake that you die

>>21505051
look at more studies... Doctor fuckup flickers back and forth between second and third on many lists.

>>21505051
No, it is not... it is alarmingly common for a doctor to fuck up and kill their patients.

>>21505054
the cdc’s annual report is a pretty thorough study incorporating many sources of data, post which study you’re referring to
>>21505055
it’s not though, it’s a popular thing to say on the internet. I suppose any occurrence at all is alarmingly high but I’ve never seen anything convincing. I don’t even think there’s great data out there on this, because there’s so many steps and potential interventions across different providers that you could potentially blame a patient’s death on. Delayed antibiotics, slow code response due to patient coding in a weird area of the hospital, etc. But you couldn’t really pinpoint any single thing as THE mistake that caused the death because sometimes people do die despite everything being done by the book.

>>21505035 (OP)
>>leading cause of high blood pressure is high sodium diets
I would love to see your proof of this. It's almost uniquely false. I do use potassium when I can personally because I know for a fact I am lacking in potassium, I also kinda believe it's better for me than sodium. But I've never found a real study or paper that really says shit about anything below sweating out levels. If you are sweating it out and replacing it and all that, and it isn't seawater levels of salt, the sodium so doesn't really affect your kidneys let alone your liver.

>>21505079
>walking into fast moving traffic is bad for you?
>I'm going to need a source!

>>21505077
it IS though
AI Overview
The number of deaths attributed to medical errors in the US is estimated to be between 250,000 and 400,000 annually, making it a leading cause of death. Some studies suggest the figure could be even higher, possibly reaching 440,000.

it's annoying how asian ingredients have so much sodium. I like braised pork belly but it uses so much soy sauce. why can't those retards make soybean flavor sauce without so much salt

>>21505085
To be clear, the amount that die from heart diesease is around 700k. So, while doctors DO kill less than half as many people as GOD, you are still incorrect in correcting me.

>>21505055
>implying they don't kill their patients for the thrill of power

>>21505085
I think the cdc’s data is more convincing than googles AI. Even with the range you posted you can’t say that it’s the third most common cause. There’s no good data on this because it’s really difficult to get.

>>21505035 (OP)
I like how you conflated temporary high blood pressure with chronic high blood pressure. Very subtle.

>>21505121
>Dipshit... I CAN say that due to the figures reported, and I am UNDERSTATING It. Doctors kill way more than half as many people as god does because there is no god.

>>21505121
You are aware the cdc is run primarally by fucking doctors right? You gonna listen to those guys? They kill more than aids and sucicide combined and multiplied.

my grandad had heart disease and died during heart surgery from doctor error. did he die from heart disease or doctor error?

>>21505134
doctor error was COD.. Doctor Error gets the point

>>21505121
It is by no means difficult to get info as the cause of death is clearly reported on each and every death certificate. What is your profession?

>>21505128
You posted no figures, just a google summary. I use that feature often and have seen mistakes and poor sources that it pulls from. No need to get your panties in a bunch because someone disagrees with you

>>21505141
Pharmacist, and death certificates are the main source of data for the cdc.

>>21505143
the cdc which chooses to group all accidents together and not report that around 400k of those were caused by treatment. Name one person medicine has curred... your list will be empty as the goal of medicne is not to cure but to treat. It is fucking less than 400,000 a year.

>>21505142
I posted the rough figures of 400,000 deaths a year listed as caused by doctor error and the also roughly 700,000 a year attributed to the #1 killer heart disease. Those numbers are close to accurate

>>21505035 (OP)
>>21505035 (OP)
>>leading cause of high blood pressure is high sodium diets
and the cause of high bP is in fact, unknown.
if not p, then not Q, simple logic. Your whole argument doesn't add up.

Facts are that sodium does not affect individuals the same way equally, if at all. A cause of high blood pressure can be a host of factors, from your genes, your age, your blood sugar, obesity, your sedentarinbess, your stress levels and how you handle it, your quality of sleep and cortisol, your racial makeup/your genetics, your smoking habit, your really unhealthy diet, and so forth. Just being around cigarette smoke increases your risk of stroke within the next 3 days.

>>21505178
blood pressure itself can be broken down into vaso-tension and heart activity. The pump and the tubes. When tubes go tight and pump goes hard it is bad for daddy. Over time it will kink your charging cable and then you are fucked.

>>21505035 (OP)
I was getting about 2g of sodium per day and I felt not great. I was having low sodium symptoms if I drank more than a small cup of water. My heart rate and blood pressure went down when I got more sodium along with more potassium, even though I was technically getting enough potassium too.

A lot of modern dietary advice is how to reduce symptoms for obese people. But that doesn't mean it's really ideal for optimal health in someone who isn't obese. There is some discussion and evidence showing that people who consume 3-5g of sodium per day might have the best health.

>>21505047
>stimulants
That's good point with most people regularly consuming a lot of caffeine and vaping and whatever.

Do you get enough potassium? That's supposed to balance out sodium and a lot of people might not be getting enough. Sodium is a necessary electrolyte but it's only one part of it that affects things like heart rate, blood pressure, etc.

>>21505172
take your meds schizo

>>21505288
if someone takes your meds they start getting tits

>>21505292
what does that even mean? I don't speak schozobabble

>>21505306
I am saying you are a tranny and your dad left because even back then he knew you were gonna be a faggot.

>>21505307
sorry to disappoint you but I'm not a tranny

>>21505035 (OP)
cutting sodium has almost no effect on blood pressure. cut the highly processed carbs and seed oils instead

>>21505325
you are so often "misgendered" as a girly queer you have images saved on your sticker covered laptop to parry the accusations about it? Maybe you just set off every ones gaydar.

"Doctors kill people" falls flat in large part because it likely includes people who are well and truly fucked up to begin with

>>21505133
>They kill more than aids
Its almost like aids barely exists in first world countries because hiv treatment has advanced to the point where it nearly negates the virus entirely

>>21505333
sorry but I don't have stickers on my laptop and nobody is misgendering my bearded ass. take your meds schizo

>>21505259
I eat tons of potassium now because I use NuSalt / NoSalt. I was also getting a decent amount before because I eat tons of bananas and tomatoes. Caffeine and caffeine induced anxiety were drastic culprits for me in addition to heroic amounts of sodium from ramen and frozen food.

They are lying about salt because they want to restrict your electrolytes which make you super powerful and smart.
Take the saltpill bros

>>21505178
>sodium is the chemical which allows your cells to retain water
>excess sodium makes you retain more water in all your cells than necessary

I sure wonder what happens when your whole cardiovascular system when it retains too much water around the heart and in the walls of all your arteries and veins.
Probably nothing I would guess.

>>21505035 (OP)
>the American Heart Association
I see your point, but don't use them as a reference when their credibility is garbage. They're known to sell their certifications and endorsements.

>>21505758
They are just aggregates for health studies. Them being a for profit corp doesnt change the fact that they reference real studies.

>>21505762
You can find studies to support anything. I can find studies saying you need fiber for optimal health and other studies saying people benefit from zero fiber. I can find studies staying 2300mg or less of sodium is better for you and studies saying 5g of sodium is better.

>>21505035 (OP)
>I get my medical information from actors giving advice to 60 year old men who have already had heart attacks on television shows
Remember, jews always know better than your elderly relatives.

>>21505041
So high blood pressure is normal and not related to heart disease at all.

>>21505035 (OP)
That's expired.

>>21505051
You're forgetting 'vaccinations', abortions, not giving pregnant mothers immunosuppressants etc..

>>21505050
Brilliant.

When was the last time the general dietary allowances shit was even updated?

>>21505826
around the 70s.
>salt bad
>fat bad
>cholesterol bad
>sugar goooooooooooooooooood

>>21505831
>70s
Grim indeed

>>21505085
This is short by at least one order of magnitude. Abortions alone are more than double your high end. Vaccinations definitely not being counted either. Did you know child mortality is proportional to how many vaccines they are given, making the US which gives the most disproportionately higher than countries you would never want to receive medical treatment in?

Well anons, have YOU ever felt okay after eating something with excessive amounts of salt? I mean, it's not fun being thirsty enough to consume buckets of water.

>>21505818
high blood pressure can directly cause vascular disease over time because it damages the walls of your arteries and then they harden during the healing process, becoming less flexible, and raising your blood pressure. extremely high blood pressure can also just straight up damage your organs. many people don't know they even have high blood pressure until they go to the eye doctor for a checkup and the insides of their eyes are damaged from blood pressure. or leaking protein into your kidneys that shows up on a urinalysis or cause foamy urine that prompts a doctor visit.

>Carbs?
>No Meg, carbs for you and me? No, but people like Americans? Sure.
>What are you guys talking about?
>How healthy you are!
>You're an American Diabetes Association Monster!

>>21505774
If you pay a scientist to posit that all scientists are gay, they will gather and analize date proving that as long as your checks clear.

>>21505035 (OP)
Allarently the leading cause of death is stiipid post's like op's
Pp

>>21505870
Pgodzlla v the meg
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>>21505762
I organized the studies one year for one of their conferences. A full 50% of ~1500 studies were on viagra. Conference was held at a resort on an island.

>>21505035 (OP)
>leading cause of high blood pressure is high sodium diets
This is not true at all. Essential Hypertension accounts for 85% of people diagnosed with high BP, and the cause is unknown. Yes, consuming excess salt can raise your BP, but only until you excrete the salt.

it's the vaxx, not salt
t. salt enjoyer

>>21505090
>To be clear, the amount that die from heart diesease is around 700k.
And the cause of death is not heart disease, but officially, it is cardiac arrest, ie the heart stopped, and therefore you died.
So, in other words, you have no actual statistics about heart disease, just one person's assertions. Most stats are made up on the spot.
OP's mistake is equating ingestion of high sodium as a reason for high blood pressure, which is FALSE, nullifying the entire post.

>REEEEEEEEEE! sodium doesnt kill people that's jewish fake news like the vaxx!!!!!!
It's always funny to see the sort of retarded ass hills you lunatics choose to die on

>>21505859
>There are retards that still believe high blood pressure is the cause and not just the effect
Juice me up with those statins, doc!

what medical degrees do you schizos have?

>>21506359
No... the COD is what gets written on the death certificate. When it says "heart disease" the cause of death was heart disease.

>>21507147
What psychological degrees do you have you insulting prick?

>>21507147
I am the Arch Duke of Space Surgery. What now?

>>21507131
high blood pressure is caused by stress, excessive sodium, obesity, saturated fat intake which increases cholesterol, and drugs that cause vasoconstriction or induce stress responses like nicotine and caffeine. and the degree of these responses is dependent on individual physiology/genetics.

>>21505035 (OP)
>>leading cause of high blood pressure is high sodium diets
It's not it's obesity.

I eat a low-calorie, high-sodium, mostly whole-foods vegan diet (i.e., rice, lentils, and salt). My blood pressure was 100/65 last time I checked.

More concerning is the theory that salt contributes to stomach cancer by weakening defense against bacterial colonization, but whatever.

>>21507197
sodium sensitivity is highly genetic. some people have zero response to salt intake, and some people develop hypertension from "normal" levels like 2 to 3 grams.

Also lentils have a ton of potassium which directly offsets salt sensitivity induced hypertension.

>>21505035 (OP)
>2,300mg
why don't they just say 2.3 grams?

>>21508122
so it looks scarier.
salt is actually good for you

"High BP" has changed iver the last few years. Working as a medic for over a decade BP that was 120-130s systolic was considered fine as long as you were below 140. Now in nursing school pretty much anything over 120 they are trying to say is prehypertension and 130 and above is stage 1 hypertension. Its kinda retarded. They want people to have BPs of like 100/60, if mine drops that low I wont be feeling great.
Also other anons are right, sodium is not the root cause of high BP or heart disease there are dozens of factors that contribute. Diet is just a drop of water in the bucket of overall health.

>>21505035 (OP)
>>leading cause of high blood pressure is high sodium diets
oh no, he retarded.

I feel like the salt thing is even more related to the correlation of diet and excerise. I eat a high salt diet but I work outside and sweat a lot and have to replace the salt in my body. I think salt is a stronger contributing factor to heart disease and all that because people dont use the salt they ingest. Just like people developing diabetes because they eat sugar they dont use

>>21505041
This is how you know this poster is a child. How the fuck is any adult in America going to have UNDIAGNOSED high blood pressure. They take my blood pressure if I go in for a stubbed toe.

>>21509072
Something like 1 in 4 people have white coat phobia and their blood pressure races as soon as a medical professional tries to take it. In different settings these people are often within threshold.

>>21509072
most people don't go to the doctor like literally ever, especially in the US where it costs a shit ton of money

>>21509107
If you never go to the doctor, never get diagnosed. No diagnosis, no problem! Live forever.

>>21505035 (OP)
If you have high blood pressure just go donate blood to lower your pressure. Nobody appreciates simple solutions anymore.

>>21509050
>Just like people developing diabetes because they eat sugar they dont use
That's not really why people develop diabetes. It is kind of, but even if you ate nothing but fat and protein, you can still develop blood sugar issues if you excessively overeat.

>>21505834
>Abortions
I think all of us here are safe from being aborted, so I wouldn't count that

>>21508149
>so it looks scarier.
does it though?
when I see 2300 I think "oh boy I gotta lotta sodium I need to eat today!"

>>21509412
Clearly.. *rolls dice*

>>21505085
>it IS though
>AI Overvie-
Kill yourself

>>21510490
you trying to set up a doctors appointment for me?

Fuck you in your ugly stupid face by the way.

>>21510496
>*angry schizo noises*

>>21510499
To get the last word you would actually need to make a statement you stupid prick.

>>21510506
cry harder

>>21505035 (OP)
I eat like 4000mg of sodium per day and my blood pressure is 120/80
1500mg of salt is a pile the size of a dime and only 40% of salt is sodium. Eating potassium will lower your sodium, likewise eating sodium will lower your potassium.
Also Japan they eat a lot of sodium. the average japanese person eats 10 to 12 grams of salt per day which is almost 5000mg of sodium. They are healthy enough so fuck it.
Try not being a gross fat fuck and go for a walk once in a while?
I fucking love salt also it is very tasty and makes everything taste good.

>>21510507
This is like fighting a quadrupal amputee. Thank you for this opportunity you fuckng doormat.

>>21510507
This is like fighting a quadruple amputee. Thank you for this opportunity you fuckng doormat.

>>21510557
>This is like fighting a quadruple amputee. Thank you for this opportunity you fuckng doormat

>>21510562
Fighting with me will only make you a better poster so I am all for it. Continue.

>>21505035 (OP)
My mom was on blood pressure medicine for decades. I started to notice her making food more salty so I started to wonder if Warfarin was making her less sensitive to salt. I asked her if her doctor ever asked her to reduce her salt intake and she said no. This someone that was like a hypochondriac about her health.