Thread 21530711

Milk, you see a baby animal sucking a teat and want some for yourself okay. Butter, you shake that milk around a lot. But how on earth did people discover the specialized process involving specific microbes and enzymes that turns milk into cheese?

>>21530711 (OP)
>store milk for winter
>curdles

They used the cow stomach to store milk
Not that hard

>>21530711 (OP)
Raw milk never spoils. First it sours and then the fat and whey seperate and then the fat turns to cheese. Yeah it helps to add rennet /cultures and yeasts
Never forget what they took from you

>>21530753
You're gonna get farmers cheese not yellow cheese via that

>>21530764
It's all rather obvious. Salt + low moisture content + good bacteria = preservation.

They kept milk in a dried animal stomach for storage purposes and the naturally occurring rennet caused it to curdle.

>>21530753
>Raw milk never spoils

>>21530711 (OP)
>you see a baby animal sucking a teat and want some for yourself
not
>given titty as an infant
you think like dogshit.

>>21530711 (OP)
>how on earth did people discover the specialized process involving specific microbes and enzymes that turns milk into cheese?
>discover
the fallen angels taught humanity a lot of shit, anon.

>>21530711 (OP)
>kill baby cow to eat
>notice the milk in its stomach has turned solid
>eat that as well because starving
>it's good actually
>if you put bits of the baby cows stomach into other milk it turns solid as well

>>21530753
Quick question, what do you believe happens to pasteurised milk that causes it to soil? What is added that causes it?

>>21530753
>and then the fat turns to cheese
it turns to cheese when it coagulates and the solids separate from the liquid. cheese has a lot of fat but it usually has about an equal amount of protein unless it's a double cream cheese or something like that.

>>21531334
>eat entire baby cow
>still starving
post wrist.

>>21531340
they didn't say that at all lol

>>21531340
You reckon a single calf will feed an entire tribe of cromagnon squatting in a cave?

>>21530753
>Raw milk never spoils
lmao fucking retard

>>21531346
These morons genuinely think that raw milk is a magic health potion and THEY meddled with it because THEY are out to get you.

>>21531343
>they didn't say that at all

>>21531344
what kind of retard thinks it's not one calf per person?

>>21531351
they did not say the baby cow would've been eaten by a single individual.

>>21531353
see
>>21531352

>>21531337

Ahckshually I think he's talking about not anything ADDED but REMOVED.
Pasteurizing kills most of the natural milk flora, including the lactobacillus which otherwise would have kept pathogenes away from its turf and ferment the milk into proper edible cheese.
With most of them removed other random bacteria from the first dust speck that touches the surface could potentially take over and spoil the milk.
Of course in reality raw milk is not always full of just "good" bacteria either...

>>21530753
>amerishart education

>>21531337
>>21531007
>>21531346

He's right albeit. Raw milk sours which prevent soiling due to the bacteria found in the cows gut. Pasterization kills them and makes the milk immediately spoil without soiling.
>>21531519
Pretty much
Sour milk is still available here in eastern europe in the stores. Americans probably aren't aware it exists

>>21531337
The bacterias that thrive in cooked foods become harmful
The bacterias that theive in raw foods become beneficial

Find videos of people consuming months old raw "high meat" but even then your wimpy and weak mind might not allow you to believe it
>>21531349
>theyre out to get you
Whats next? Are you going to tell us that the food pyramid is a healthy plan to follow? Or maybe your going to tell us that giving children sodas, sugars and highly processed foods is good ?

>>21531617
>Americans probably aren't aware it exists
we've got the Amish so some of us do

>>21530753
According to the internet, McDonald's fries never spoil either. Are they some magical health food then?

>>21531648
>no, actually, eating rotten meat is based and redpilled
>if you think milk swarming with bacteria shouldn't be given to children you think that they should be given a coke instead
Kill yourself.

>>21531617
Ok anon, buy some sour milk and leave it on the counter for 3 months then livestream yourself drinking it.

>>21531617
Raw milk will still eventually spoil if you just let it sit around for long enough. Beneficial bacteria don't live forever. Saying it never spoils is incorrect.

>>21531648
As long as the sodas don't contain artificial sweeteners - yes.
What makes children sick is constant pressure about "healthy" eating and their weight. THAT leads to 7 year olds already using the scale daily and being afraid of "calories" despite not even knowing what they are.
Straight into the anorexia, lovely.

>>21531673
Read dr weston prices studys of tribal people consuming large amount of raw milk and meats and then come talk to me bro
>>21531659
Yes

>>21531663
Yes

>>21531663
Yes
>>21531695
So its not the highly processed foods and gmo crops

Lol damn i didnt think there would be so many people scared of raw foods on this board

>>21531695
So thats why europeams are not as fat

>>21530711 (OP)
Rennet is found in the stomach of calves.
You can figure out the rest.

>>21531984
They are trying their damn best as well tho, with "food education" already in daycares and later in school. Five year olds already learn about "calories" and the diagnosis "anorexia" has been rising all over Europe as well.
It just seems that in general European kids are more resistant and resilient against that indoctrination, especially redarding sugar.

>>21532213
Yeah i will agree that what ideas and beleifs are held about foods and substances can cause people problems where as they would not if they never heard those ideas
Say gluten for example
Some people only start to have gluten problems after reading that it could he bad for them

But I am more convinced it is simply the quality, ingredients and also portions
In europe the quality is higher, there are less harmful ingredients added, and instead of 6 sodas a day, they just have 2 a week. And sure, most europeans are also more active than amerifats, so we have to add that to the equation

>>21530711 (OP)
>How the fuck did this come about?

This one actually: >>21530718 >>21530816
Africans, Mongols, and Laplanders still do this exact thing: you milk an animal and then store it in a cow/horse/caribou stomach you have hanging up in your tent. During the short period it keeps fresh milk from spoiling, but for pro-longed periods the rennan in the animal's stomach ferments the milk into something good like cheese or kefer or whatever.

Ancient people were largely lactose intolerant, so they were already used to experimenting with fermentation in an effort to make dairy products more eatable.

>>21530711 (OP)
>you see a baby animal sucking a teat and want some for yourself okay.
when you say it like that its really weird
>>21530753
pic
>>21530714
fpbp

>>21533274
>Ancient people were largely lactose intolerant
except northern and western europeans because the extra fat, protein, and calories from milk helped them survive cold weather climates

>>21530753
You fucking drink that shit then. I'll drink SAFE milk that's been pasteurized and kept cold until I have some.
Fucking hippie schizo faggot.

>>21530711 (OP)
It happened by accident, people noticed it was good and thought about how it happened which allowed them to experiment with recreating it deliberately.

>>21533298
not that anon but my friend had a dairy farm as a kid, we had raw milk on our cereal in the mornings. as a adult i brought raw milk straight from local famers markets, never got sick once from it mr rothschild. also ive soured raw milk to make my own cottage cheese and kept the whey to make lactoferments. still didnt get sick lol. not a hippy either

>>21533274
>Ancient people were largely lactose intolerant
Not all of them.

>>21533289
>except northern and western europeans
Lactose tolerance arrived first in central europe and spreaded from it.

>>21533298
Nah man he's right, soured milk is a thing and ith delicious... like actually delicious

>>21533498
>Not all of them.
wow great point

>>21530711 (OP)
This food aged like milk frfr ong no cap.

>>21531960
Raw meat and milk, not meat and milk that's been sat around for months.

I still test every now and then to see if I'm still able to digest milk. When I'm at my absolute mental peak, I will drink milk in public. Mainly in food courts of shopping centres.
But naturally, it's all been pasteurized. I haven't been accustomed to the super human enzyme that allows me to properly digest raw milk.
Idk if I should start.

>>21532213
Sure, instead goyslop pushers from the food industry are gaining a foothold. You tell me which is worse.

>>21533522
I would imagine raw milk is easier to digest as it would contain bacteria that helps break it down during digestion. Some people say they had stomach issues from pasteurized milk but can drink raw milk. It's similar with yogurt/kefir/buttermilk that have live bacteria and are easier to digest.

>>21531695
I was taught what calories were in my first year at school, I was 6.

>>21530711 (OP)
>>21531330
>>21533286
>you see a baby animal sucking a teat and want some for yourself okay.

This isn't as outlandish as it sounds.
If modern tribal people are indicative of caveman-type people at all: a man would go and steal a few piglets from a wild sow and have his wife wet-nurse them so he could raise his own pigs at home. Primitive people still do this today, it's cheap and breast-fed wild boar grow up into gentile fat pigs.

>>21530711 (OP)
You simply lack education and knowledge. That's all. You cant properly appreciate the history of humanity. All the effort that brought us to this point.

Nothing you see around you was done by accident. It took us hundreds of thousands of years. That's not an exaggeration. Years upon years upon years. Generation after generation after generation. All of it to bring you where you are right now. To give you what you have now. That all happened. The struggle was real. The suffering was real.

But all you can ask is
>how cheese happen

>>21531984
You underestimate how many 14-19 year old retards visit this site.

>>21534883
>loads of 14-19 year old retards visit this site
Yeah shit i give 4channers too much faith in hopes theyre critical thinkers and not insecure folks that love to attak ad hominem style
Lets make a new raw foods thread eh

>>21533289
This retard can't conceive of a time before lactase persistence lol

>>21530753
>raw milk never spoils
>it just sours

>>21534812
>breast-fed wild boar
Purely hypothetically speaking, where might one acquire such a delicacy?

Can I add water to a pan before I put halloumi in? you know, like some people do with bacon.

>>21535286
Yeah it does not "go bad" it just changes form, milk-sour milk- yogurt like ferment-cheese/whey . It evolves like your favorite pokeman