Thread 21531578

is it finally time we give up meat?

>>21531578 (OP)
no

>>21531578 (OP)
So, since "junk food" neither has ever been precisely defined (the classic example of the hamburger being "junk" but all its ingredients on a plate apparently being not) nor EVER having been proved to be "unhealthy" (how? Easily digestible high caloric food, just what our body is made for) the meat is bit worse but still perfectly fine? Good.

>>21531578 (OP)
stupid ass vegans, wish they'd shut the fuck up already.

>>21531578 (OP)
No. Also fuck Harvard.

>>21531578 (OP)
No, that's not what Harvard said. Harvard ONLY studied PROCESSED meat. Then, when the study led to crappy journalistic headlines regarding steak. They posted a retraction to clarify that steak and surprisingly even processed meat isn't bad.

"The researchers found "low" evidence that either red meat or processed meat is harmful. Their advice: there's no need to reduce your regular red meat and processed meat intake for health reasons."
https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/whats-the-beef-with-red-meat

>>21531649
proof?

Like I told the sexy girlscout with her cookies: I ain't buyin' it.
I don't really l even eat meat much but I find it hard to believe that any university would publish any study saying that meat would be worse than some ill-defined bugbear.
Unless this likely non-existent study specifically defines junk food within some concrete parameters, whatever comparisons it makes are entirely worthless.
t. Princeton grad

>>21531652
>>>21531649
>proof?
It's up to you to click on the linked page, or not.

>>21531671
It's also really hard to believe that everything a mammal is made of should be harmful to the mammal homo sapiens.
It's basically as close to our own biology as possible. No big extractions, no army of enzymes needed to remove nutrients from phytines etc, just basically ready to use pieces that our body just has to put together in its own image again.

>EwwTube 'content creator' screenshot
>Coke product placement
>"new study says"
>Harvard

>>21531578 (OP)
>look in this totally-not-paid for study that was not funded in any way by anyone we totally promise, we found that steak is worse than a 14oz Coca-Cola™ for only $3.95 now available at a store near you!

Boomers eat beef and processed meats by the fucking cartload and they live to be 80+

>>21531578 (OP)
they're a buncha yoyos!

True or not, you fags should be happy about those kinds of headlines.
Normie fear-mongering => less demand => lower meat prices

>>21531782
lower demand = less supply = price goes uppy

>>21531782
China and the developing world has a massive potential demand for meat. There is no shortage of customers.

>>21531625
>how? Easily digestible high caloric food, just what our body is made for
The VAST majority of the western world (and most outside of it) needs LESS daily calories.
Having readily available fast food that's high caloric and easily digestible is making things worse.

>>21531843
>Having readily available fast food that's high caloric and easily digestible is making things worse.
or they could just eat less

>>21531869
They know but they still do so other measures need to be made as long as the obesity statistics go up.
>let them be fat/die of obesity
Takes too long, costs too much, modern medicine can keep a human body alive for decades despite having reached morbid obesity.

>>21531887
>modern medicine can keep a human body alive for decades despite having reached morbid obesity
So you're saying the best solution is to erode the capabilities of modern medicine, so gluttons with no self control can be eliminated by natural selection again

>>21531578 (OP)
Don’t care, eating meat.

>>21531887
>other measures
what did you have in mind?

>>21531578 (OP)
Why should i care what Harvard says? Theyve been proven to accept corporate funding handouts for research that is supposed to be non-biased. Screw em

>>21531901
All doorways are narrow and lined with razor blades

>>21531895
Hey, whatever pushes the line from up to down.

>>21531901
Rolling back to whatever kept babyboomers and their parents majority slim.

>>21531912
>whatever kept babyboomers and their parents majority slim.
Such a?

>>21531649
>PROCESSED meat
Ground beef is "processed" meat. What about putting a steak through a meat grinder magically makes it less healthy?

>>21531915
I don't know for sure but they were far slimmer than any country today. Probably related to less ultra processed food, additives, smaller portion sizes, less access to fast food (+ home deliveries) and a more active lifestyle ie more walking every day to get anything done rather than stare at a pocket screen sitting down at home with fried brains and massive depressions from age 14.

>>21531917
Don't be a smartass. This is about things like cured sausages where they add additives like nitrites to keep it from rotting and other desired effects which might sit badly with your body.

>>21531578 (OP)
It's finally time we give up on Harvard

>>21531917
>well ackchyually like everything is processed xD
why do people do this

>>21531917
the point, brainiac, is that the headline lied about the actual content of the supposed studies. They studied bacon, luncheon meat, smoked sausage and the link, not hamburger and steaks, or even beef, for that matter.

>>21532022
Because "processed" is a boogeyman term utilized to scare people away from food that really isn't that bad

>>21532087
The majority of people understand when you say "processed" that you mean "ultra processed". Nobody thinks taking a healthy ingredient then chopping it up suddenly makes it processed and unhealthy. But in pretty much all cases ultra processed foods are less healthy.

How about we just execute the lying traitors? How bout that?

>>21532153
MAGA supporters?

>>21532170
Do you have any idea how pathetic and clicked you are to turn child rape into a partisan issue? You deserve the same fate as those deadweights.

Die painfully you fucking parasite

>>21532120
Considering there is still this weird thing where people call a hamburger somehow "unhealthy", but the same ingredients as a salad "healthy" I honestly doubt that. The definition of what is processed is arbitrary since we process basically everything we eat except for fresh fruit and veggies.

>>21532120
the majority of people, you included, are completely ignorant to nutrition and it's relationship to metabolic processes

>>21532233
a junk food burger is usually really greasy and slathered in tons of mayo/ketchup, with cheese, bacon, on cheap white bread, etc. and it's usually not taken in that context of itself but that it's often paired with a lot of soda and greasy french fries.

a "salad" wouldn't be exactly the same. i get your point but trying to do a gotcha with the word processed never convinces anyone of anything and it just seems silly and timewasting.

>>21532258
you don't have to be an expert in nutrition to know what people are talking about when they say "processed" and that processed food usually isn't as good for you

>>21531649
I think this is what happens with every study vegans point to saying meat is bad for you. When you look at it, they're studying either the worst possible kinds of meat, and/or the most unhealthy people eating it (overweight, sedentary, etc) vs health conscious people who are active and eating higher quality foods, not just the cheapest shit they can buy.

>>21531917
According to the NHS? It makes it easier to eat more of it quickly, making it less likely you'll feel satiated when you are and therefore more likely you'll overeat. That's why, despite being nothing more than fruit and yoghurt, a smoothie doesn't count as one of your five-a-day. It's a retarded argument.

>>21531578 (OP)
Harvard can suck my balls

>>21534236
No it can't

jews REALLY hate meat

>>21531578 (OP)
Stick it to 'em, Donald.

>>21531779
Nah my dad died at 77 from pancreatic cancer

>>21534241
So? Wanna fight about it?

>>21531578 (OP)
looks like im going to have to post it again. all this "science" demonizing meat is not science at all
>

Red meat is a nutrient dense food providing important amounts of protein, essential amino acids, vitamins, and minerals that are the most common nutrient shortages in the world, including vitamin A, iron, and zinc.

Despite claims by the World Health Organization (WHO) that eating processed meat causes colon cancer and red meat probably causes cancer, the observational data used to support the claims are weak, confounded by multiple unmeasured factors, and not supported by other types of research needed for such a conclusion. Although intervention studies are designed to test the validity of associations found in observational studies, two interventions of low-fat, low-meat diets in volunteers that failed to find a benefit on cancer were not considered in the WHO decision.

It is likely that the association of red-meat consumption with colon cancer is explained either by an inability of epidemiology to detect such a small risk or by combinations of other factors such as greater overweight, less exercise, lower vegetable or dietary fiber intake, and perhaps other habits that differentiate those who eat the most meat from those who eat the least.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7015455/

>scientists
>universities
>Harvard
LMAO

>>21535968
>word salad
Why don't you try a real salad lmao

>>21531578 (OP)
(((Harvard)))

>>21531578 (OP)
How about just blow up the planet if everything anyone does is wrong

>>21531578 (OP)
Harvard said that?
Oh jeez, that's one of the smart schools
And as we know, smart people are always right, and would never lie for an agenda...

Meatsisters, it's over.

>>21531578 (OP)
Harvard is a joke.

>>21531582
that image is pure Michael Bay

>>21531578 (OP)
I try to eat it sparingly

>>21532233
Would people call a homemade burger unhealthy? No. Fastfood slop with too much salt, fat and sugar is unhealthy.

>>21531578 (OP)
mmm yes drink the sugar water, protein bad!!

>>21531578 (OP)
This has been consistently shown for almost 80 years now. You have to be retarded to still deny it.

>>21531649
Badly written article. They still recommend a reduced consumption of red meat but failed to specify the amount outside of.
>Probably two servings a week
>Yeah just use it as a side dish.
That said, scientific results aren't always as distinct. Various studies often conflict each other and the methodology can lead to mistakeable results. That's not even mentioning fraud, cheating and bad practices among scientists.

>>21531781
Fucking saved.
As someone who is retiring in a few years I like collecting these.

>>21531578 (OP)
Maybe this means red meat is healthy but junk food is even healthier.

>>21531578 (OP)
>eat an "unhealthy" diet
>die
>eat a "healthy" diet
>still die
Why would anyone want to sacrifice a lifetime of good tasting food just to get to die at 85 instead of 75? Like, if you weren't satisfied with life by the time you're in your 70s, the odds that things are going to get better in your 80s are pretty fucking slim.

>>21537294
weak assocation disproven by RCT. you can increase dietary saturated fat and decrease serum cholesterol. there is a relationship but its complicated and not linear like the fake adjusted graph you posted

>>21537828
Someone with a healthy diet will likely have a higher quality of life. It's not like everything you do results in the same exact level of health and the only thing that changes is when the lights go out.

It doesn't mean you can't eat anything that tastes good but the point isn't just living longer.

>>21532022
Because it's technically true, but also because people who complain a lot about processed food constantly shift the goalposts to fit their agenda.

>>21532260
>a salad slathered in tons of dressing, with shredded cheese, crumbled bacon (sometimes synthetic), with cheap white bread croutons, etc. isn't comparable to a burger.

>>21531578 (OP)
Harvard is a college of idiots with money. Why the hell would you take anything they say at face value?

This convinced me to not give up coke, thanks anon

>>21537902
>Because it's technically true
If you have to say it's "technically true" then it's usually because you're being pedantic.

>agenda
The agenda of eating less processed food?

>>21531578 (OP)
Let me guess, change to a plant based meat? How's that business doing anyway?

>>21538282
all those liberal professors have lost millions

>>21531649
journos are not people

>>21531690
to what end?

>>21531578 (OP)
what the fuck do a bunch of Indians know about meat? when they see cows they see a God, stupid fuckyu bytches

>>21536649
Needs the tiny hat on the fat guy, but kudos otherwise.

>>21531915
Not sitting on ass all day eating awful processed foods. They walked around more and they ate whole foods. When they did eat cake they made it from scratch with butter and eggs and flour and sugar and little else. They didn't drink 600 calorie coffees or 48 oz sweet teas. The kids fucking played outside and rode bikes and played sports. They didn't have xbox. They walked to school and back. They walked to friends' houses. I know I grew up like that. People don't let ten year olds walk across town anymore. People eat awful junk food that hadn't been designed yet.
It was the food pyramid moving to grains, it was "fat bad", it was designing food to be addictive to get repeat customers. Testing and marketing and scientists and laboratories. A lot of things changed in society. But we have too much and we eat too much.

>>21532490
A smoothie will make you fatter than eating the fruit. It's not a retarded argument. When you blend the fruits your body doesn't process it as fiber. And you do ingest more. Several diets will allow you unlimited fruit as long as you eat it. You start juicing it and blending it with milk and syrups you do lose nutritional value.

>>21536341
>>21539434
back to /pol/ with you schizos