Thread 21554936

*consumes 600 gallons of water in your path*

>>21554936 (OP)
I don't care. I'm never going to be a vegetarian. Murder is delicious. So is environmental irresponsibility. That's too bad but it's the way it is.

>>21554936 (OP)
>600 gallons
I keep seeing this bullshit figure everywhere, but zero math on how that's even possible. There's no fucking way it's real, is it?

water falls out of the sky for free nigga lmfao

>>21554936 (OP)

>A cow is standing on a meadow, it's raining
>Another 10000 liters of water "wasted"

That's how these retarded ass water "consumption" numbers regarding meat are determined.

Sorry guys, wrong picture.

>>21554939
Doesn't seem that unreasonable to me. I'm just a smol man and I probably use that much water in a week taking a shower twice a day in the summer. Now imagine a steer. It has to be force fed massive amounts of grain, and it produces all kinds of waste that has to be disposed of. Not to mention what it drinks. How long do they take to grow? All that water adds up pretty fast.

Don't they piss out most of that again?

>>21554961

No, they apparently are nuclear reactors turning it into waste. Most likely lead or cadmium or polonium.

Avocados are resource hogs and controlled my literal cartels but you vegan niggas don't care about that shit do you

>>21554936 (OP)
Don’t forget about the deforestation.

>>21554936 (OP)
Leftists are mentally ill. It's insane that they don't comprehend something as basic as the water cycle. Water doesn't get destroyed. The cow pisses the water out. The water doesn't go anywhere.
How are they so stupid?

My only guess is that it's californian faggots pushing their shit everywhere, because in california 2 jews own all the water and they decide if you are allowed to even get some.

>>21554977
The one that happens to get room for more crops, often seed oil plants?

>>21554978
That water being pissed out doesn't immediately re-enter the clean water supply
Clean water isn't

>>21554988
All water you've ever consumed and bathed in was someone's piss at some point. Hope you kill yourself after you realize it.

>>21554951
Let's do some autism math

A beef cow is slaughtered after 12-24 months (it varies, but let's just go with 24 since it's the highest number)
A beef cow or "dry cow" (as in not dairy) eats 24-30 pounds of dry feed per day on average, but let's be extra generous and go with 30, since it's the higher number.
24 months is 730 days, 730 times 30 is 21,900
That comes out to about 9,933 kilograms.
Let's round it up to a ton.
So a beef cow consumes about a metric ton of dry feed WITHIN ITS LIFETIME.

Cow feed is made up of a bunch of different shit and the amount cows need to drink varies based on how much wet/dry feed they are consuming.

BUT - since we're being generous here - let's just go with the most water-intensive feed possible, which is alfalfa, "the thirstiest crop in the US south-west", and then ADD the maximum amount of water that cows drink on a daily basis, just so that we shoot as high as possible in terms of water consumption.

>>21555001
In an industrial setting, in order to produce a metric ton of alfalfa hay (at 12% moisture), you'd need about 500 cubic meters of water, which is 132,000 gallons.

A beef cow drinks 20-30 gallons a day, depending on weather, heat and what kind of feed they are eating, but once again, let's be generous and say 30.
30 times 730 is once again, 21,900.

We add up these two numbers (132,000 and 21,900) and we get 153,900. That is the amount of water (in gallons) that a beef cow will CONSUME within it's entire lifetime. (If it is left alive for 24 months, AND if it eats and drinks at an above average level for every single day of it's life.)

153,900 gallons. Alright. That's quite a lot. But in order to find out how much goes into a patty, we have to figure out how many patties you can make out of a beef cow. You can get about 2000 to 3000 patties worth out of a beef cow, but let's just go with 2000 for example's sake.

153,900 divided by 2000 is.... DRUM ROLL PLEASE.... 76 GALLONS!!!!

Even if we factor in waste and transportation and all that other shit. Where the FUCK does the 600 gallon figure come from???? It's absurd.

>>21555001
>>21555003
I'm not gonna check your math but this sounds reasonable assuming it's not chatgpt, checkmate vegans

>>21554936 (OP)
I don't live in a shithole with a water shortage.

>>21555003
I think you forgot to factor in waste disposal and the actual feed production cost but it's fine enough. Water gets treated and recycled anyway

>>21555001
>That comes out to about 9,933 kilograms.
>Let's round it up to a ton.
That's ten tons, not one ton.
Instead, you get 1,341,900 gallons / 2000 = 671 gallons.

>>21555029
oh shit I'm retarded.
well then
does anyone know if bug burgers are any good?

>>21555029

And none of it is "wasted" or "consumed"

>>21555052
Making the hindu serf classes worship cows so they won't eat your resource-intensive food was a stroke of genius, the indo-aryan masters were ahead of their time.

>>21555063
Processing still requires energy, which is why I support massive investments in public-owned energy. There's a lot of inefficient things you can do if energy becomes cheap, not just desalination. Unfortunately in Europe, our leaders would rather buy LNG from the US.

>>21555074
Cows were beneficial in the past because they could be raised on pasture land that was good for grazing but unsuitable for farming, in addition to being useful as beasts of burden.

You kinda lose that benefit when you just start feeding em grain.

Not a problem. We will never run out of water. I have a 540ft well and no matter what I do I can never run it dry. Scaling up, there is just about the same amount of water on Earth as there has ever been so I don't have any issues. It just changes form.

>>21555090
Retard, the issue isn't whether there are enough H2O molecules, the issue is whether there's enough readily available liquid water nearby that exists in a form that can be used for all foreseeable purposes without requiring so much processing that it no longer makes economic sense. Transportation can theoretically let you build a city in the middle of antarctica but nobody does it because it makes much more sense to build one on the mouth of a large river in a temperate zone, but smoothbrains like you would be like "durrr we're not running out of land so why is real estate so expensive"

>>21555084
You can only additionally feed them some grain.
Cows HAVE to be fed with grass and silage, with too much grain they die.

>>21555003
>>21555052
It might still use 600ish gallons of water by back of the envelope calculations, but this entire argument is still based on the spectacle of how big 600 and ignores what actually happens to the water.
It evaporates, it seeps into the ground, it returns to freshwater aquifers, it is rained down, etc etc. It's not like the cow goes "Zap" and deletes 600 gallons of water for every burger that's created, that's absurd.
>>21555074
This is where the argument should go- from the spectacle of 600 gallons to "how much does it cost to move 600 gallons into one burger, then out, then into the next burger?". Modern farming and resource management techniques are so efficient that I can't imagine this figure would register as a problem to anybody. Maybe if we're draining freshwater reserves faster than they naturally refill, then there's a discussion to be had about the total amount of beef that we produce, but that's an economic argument and not a moral one.

>>21554936 (OP)
> *consumes 600 gallons of water in your path*

I would eat the cow. Problem solved.

>>21555121
I agree
In fact, we should eat as many cows as possible so they go extinct and stop hogging all our natural resources

>>21554936 (OP)
>*consumes 600 gallons of water in your path*
water is not a finite resource, it is totally renewable. it doesn't disappear in to a pocket universe you absolute retard.

>>21554970
>Immoral avocado farming justifies the murder of animals
Carnist retard

>>21555074
>Processing still requires energy
t. ranny
Water is a complete non-issue. Rain takes care of all the water needs. During dry seasons a pump from a well does the job. The only thing ''wasted'' giving water to the cows is a tiny bit of energy, which has to be used anyway because of how the power grid works. All electricity generated has to be used as soon as it is generated. You could argue that the power demand is too high and that's the problem, it's insane to focus on the guy using a pump to feed cows to make food than some faggot using the power for netflix.

The second ''waste'' is the feed. Cows need wheat and fossil fuels have to be burned to make wheat. But wheat is a byproduct of harvesting grains. Grains are like 1% of the entire plant. When you harvest the grains all the wheat gets left over and it's not wasteful to collect the wheat and feed it to cows. It would be more wasteful to not collect the wheat.

Then the third step in ''waste'' is shit like transporting the cow, butchering the cow, cooking the meat etc, and now you're just getting into pilpul nonsense.
Cows are one of the top least wasteful meats you can grow. Something like chickens are worse because of how normal it is to grow them in cages so all the water they get is pumped to them. Chicken feed is also more processed and not made out of inedible byproducts like wheat.

>>21555113
Tranny cope. Not only not understanding basic things like the water cycle, but also dilating and being ignorant about how it gets cheaper and easier to process water every year.
Places that have no problems with water will never have problems with water. Places where water is rationed in the future will have no problems with water. It costs $0.0005 to turn 1 liter of ocean water into drinking water. Every year it gets cheaper. Every year the tech gets better and more efficient.
All water shortages outside of Africa are government enforced as in America they will literally put you in prison for collecting rain water or block the entire water flow so 2 jews can grow almonds.

>>21554936 (OP)
How many gallons does a human consume

>>21554936 (OP)
How can a burger that doesn't weight 600 tons contain 600 tons of water? That's some woman logic there

>>21555146
In the end, entropy makes all of this calculating shit pointless anyways

>>21554951
Yeah but it pisses that water and the water in the piss evaporates plus we eat it meaning we also get water from it the we shit and piss which also evaporates
The only situation in which 600 gallons becomes a problem is if you live in a shithole like India or the middle east were you cannot afford enough water for crops and people and livestock that's why complaining about cows in America is ridiculous

>>21555146
>But wheat is a byproduct of harvesting grains. Grains are like 1% of the entire plant. When you harvest the grains all the wheat gets left over and it's not wasteful to collect the wheat and feed it to cows. It would be more wasteful to not collect the wheat.
do you mean silage or something? this doesn't feel like it makes much sense.

>>21555173

All the water that has rained on the cow and on the plants it ate (which were of course cultivated SOLOELY to feed the cow) disappears into a black hole in its stomach.

>>21554936 (OP)
>>21554939
I always ask people how much of it is rain, and you can practically see explorer.exe shut down.
No one has been able to give me a number yet.

>>21555183
Silage is more wasteful and more tricky than traditional hay. With hay you let the sun dry out the plants before you harvest them, this makes light easy to store haybales.
Silage is taking the same thing but wet and not dried and wrapping in plastic which is terrible and then it's like 3 times heavier because it's not dried which requires more gas to transport and then you have to worry if the grass will ferment and be fine to eat or spoil and become poisonous slop that will kill the cows.

>>21555183
He means that cows and animals in general are the no1 way to recycle waste products into usable (and delicious) food.
All those pressing cakes that remain after pressing seed crops for example are fed to pigs and partly cows. Useless land where only grass can grow is used to get milk and good meat. All these waste products of plants after the human-edible part has been removed is given to the animals. They are also needed for the manure which in turn is used to fertilize the crops.

>>21555189
I have 24 cows. I would say 99% of it is rain. Some years I have to use a pump and get water from the well. During very dry summers where it never rains I've had to pump 2 bathtubs full of water every day.
I used (((AI))) to calculate how much it costs and it's about 5 dollars a year during the driest summers.

>>21555205
Don't forget the rain that fell onto the grass and crops to feed them is "wasted" too.
Grass and grains apparently also posess this water destroying ability.

>>21554961
Nothing like fresh river water without some deer piss.

Ahh so refreshing

>>21554936 (OP)
>OP
consumes 600 gallons of cum per year.

>>21554936 (OP)
>avg American consumes 1000x this
Uhh xisters wtf is this

>>21554936 (OP)
>*turns 600 gallons of water into delicious, nutritious protein in your path*
fix'd

>>21555232
Politically motivated statistics fags manipulate the data. They nudge the data to say that a quarter pound of beef consumes 600 gallons of water. So if a human eats a burger they now have consumed 600 gallons of water.

>>21554936 (OP)
Nothing is created, nothing is lost, everything is transformed.

>>21555242
>So if a human eats a burger they now have consumed 600 gallons of water.
That would be so awesome. Imagine the piss you’d take afterwards. Imagine the piss shakes you’d get too.

>>21555232
Holy...

>>21555139
Cartels operate off the suffering of others (distribution of their drugs) and the murder of others (rival gangs, whatever glowie ops they run).

The farms themselves displace the local fauna and insect life. They use gasoline to transport their product which mean they're complicit in the American system.

Just admit you're just as morally compromised as everyone else then you might get over yourself and continue destroying yourself out of moral vanity.

>>21555139
>carnist
Back to Facebook Groups you go

Don't act like that water disappears forever. Besides most of that water they consume is just rain water in the grass.

>>21555257
>eat any fruit ever

AHH IM DYING FROM FRUCTOSE POISONING. I ATE A STRAWBERRY IM DYINGGGG

>>21554936 (OP)
>oh no the hydrologic cycle!

Eating meat is still the most inefficient path to get nutrition. Instead of growing plants and eating them, you grow plants and process them through another animal and then eat the animal. Even if you take morals out, it's objectively inefficient.

>>21555297
>plants
>low nutrient density
>harder to absorb
>effecient

>>21555116
he thinks "grass fed" is some sort of special treatment. to be fair they kind of market it that way

>>21555297
It's the other way around. Not that any mentally ill vegan retard will do the research to figure out that there is only a small part of any plant that humans can eat, which is then mostly not bioavailable to humans and that it requires animal poop to fertilize the soil.
Animal farming is so efficient that it enables vegans to live, not the other way around. The entire vegan lifestyle is just a small fraction of creating animal food. If everyone stopped eating meat then vegans would die.

>>21555270
Thank you Ingredion for setting the record straight. Corn syrup is perfectly 100% natural and I will be consooming my daily dose shortly

Every time any thread about the environment comes up on 4chan, it makes me realize how many people here hate nature (despite seething about cities and promulgating how much better rural living is). It's sad. It sucks. It's the same thing on /an/ which has been overrun by /pol/niggers that hate the outdoors and see everything through a culture war lens.

>>21555330
>I will be consooming my daily dose shortly
Correct. You have no choice in this matter.
Eat any fruit whatsoever, eat high fructose

>>21555317
Nice try shill. Yes grass-fed is a special designation and has to be certified as such. If more than 1% of the diet is grain then it has to be labeled as "grain-finished" which is a different designation.

It is a special treatment.

>>21555343
>source, 2016, outdated same year
Ai wins again

>>21555338
Tranny pedophile seething. Can't actually point to a post he disagrees with because he knows he will be raped.
The truth is that there is no contradiction. Cities and city faggots are the ones ruining the environment and they are the ones pushing insane shit like saying cows consume 6 million waters and that cow farts cause more greenhouse gasses than volcanoes.
These freaks are the enemy of the environment.
You're too much of a pussy to say what you are talking about and I still know you are a cultist faggot who seethes about cows.

when you drink a glass of water you are drinking trillions of billions of molecules that were once part of every single human that ever existed.

I'm not saying Americans chlorinate their chicken, but they chlorinate their chicken.

>>21554998
its dinosaur piss but dinosaurs are cool :C

>>21555348
Well the designation still exists in multiple countries with better standards. It's not something made up, it's a treatment that exists.

Guess the feedlot lobbyists were too strong in America.

>>21555354
Yes we also use dilute chlorine to sanitize water believe it or not. Sanitation is a foreign system to you maybe?

>>21555348
If AI said that the sun will rise tomorrow I'd then first look out of the window if the sky starts to lighten up

>>21555359
Yanks have to chlorinate their meat because their animals wallow in shit and piss and sick

>>21555362
The sad part is they defend the lack of standards, ie see the shill arguing grass-fed beef is not a thing.

>>21555362
what does yank mean man

>>21555357
>multiple countries with better standards
Go ahead and post those countries and I’ll go off on how they’re worse than America. Please do. I’ve got my per capita stats ready

>>21555350
>seething about trannies out of nowhere
Post ignored. IQ estimate: 80

>>21555371
Kill yourself trans freak

Damn I’m a god tier troll if it was this easy to trigger the poo jannie

Enjoy your poop soup sir brahmin red dot

>>21554936 (OP)
Water is never consumed. The The amount exists today as did millions of years ago.

>>21554936 (OP)
water is not consumed, it is returned to the earth

>>21555422
Nuh uh! The planet survived for hundreds of millions of years because the occupants were decent heckin dinosaur beings and didn't do a climate change

>>21555120
The argument with water in any context is not that it disappears but that it becomes temporarily unavailable. Trees regenerate as well, you could argue that cutting down a tree has net zero effect on the environment because it grows back. But what if a country suddenly cut down every single one of its trees. Sure they have crazy lumber for a while but that's it, that's their entire stock. They have to wait decades for new woods to grow. The reason people complain about water usage (cows, datacenters, whatever) is that there's already water scarcity in many places, and the water that's being used to uphold the "luxuries" people enjoy could be redirected instead to remediate water scarcity.

I'm not a vegan by the way, I ate two burgers today.

>>21555389
>The The
Fucking idiot retard

>>21554936 (OP)
mmmmm that sounds like one hydrating burger

>>21554939
Where do people think this water goes? Do they think a cow contains 600 gallons of water in itself?

I can agree with being against raising beef for meat. It's a massive waste of land that led to severe deforestation.
My country only produces beef from dairy cows however so I don't have any concerns.

They were going to drink the water whether I ate them or not would you rather they not drink water?

>>21554936 (OP)
Okay, what do you want to do about it?
>inb4 HURRDURR People should stop eating meat
That's not ever going to happen even by force and was never a realistic goal. Nobody ever seems to talk about making MORE meat so that it can be made cheaper and more sustainable by economy of scale, nobody ever talks about building more sustainable and efficient water systems to reduce the strain, or breeding crops to more efficiently feed these animals rather than just feeding them the cereal grains that humans eat. Every single time its always a moralist argument about animal abuse or natural resources being consumed as though they genuinely expect that the world is dictated by morality.

People might be guided by morals but they're never going to give anything they want or need up over them. If you want to solve the problem instead of just bitching about it, find a way to make meat consumption less destructive. Actual meat, not substitutes. As usual, OP is a faggot.

>>21555350
>Ruining the environment
So? Its our planet, we're the apex species here. Everything here belongs to us and will be exploited, domesticated or exterminated as we choose. If those animals don't like it they can stage a rebellion, or fuck off somewhere else in the galaxy when they become capable of that.

>inb4 3edgy5me
Just calling it like I see it. Not a single human being should be deprived of their wants or needs just because you think the environment matters more than people do. We're sentient, its not, and the planet will be here long, long after we ruin it and all of our bones have crumbled into dust. It doesn't need us helping its longevity.

>>21554936 (OP)
just import the meat from a frozen place that has unlimited water

Do people think cows perform alchemy to turn water into antimatter or something? Water doesn't get removed from the environment, it just gets moved around.

>>21555758
Do you shit all over your own walls? It's your house, right? You can do whatever you want!

If you kill just 1 person, you completely negate your own environmental impact.

>>21555834
If you kill a woman (1) you negate the impact of 1.8 men.

>>21555812
Actually metabolic processes create water oddly enough
>Animal metabolism produces about 107–110 grams of water per 100 grams of fat,[1] 41–42 grams of water per 100 g of protein, and 60grams of water per 100 g of carbohydrate.

>>21554936 (OP)
there's infinite water

>>21555893
Yeah, there's a lot of water used in making those substances in the first place. Catabolism's just undoing it (more or less).

>>21554936 (OP)
>600 gallons of water
>2000 pounds of meat
you're retarded

Kill all cows and other animals with thirst
This cannot continue

I don't live in a desert like a retard I don't care about wasting 600 gallons of water

>>21555758
It's not wise to cripple the hand that feeds you.
Destruction of your envirenment over short time directly gets reflected back to you.

*consumes 53 gallons of water every minute in your path*

>>21554936 (OP)
If matter cannot be created or destroyed, is anything ever really consumed?

>>21555940
What would you say if I consumed your ass

>>21555830
Building machinery and creating goods for human consumption is not 'shitting all over the walls'. A more apt comparison would be that the shit was on the walls before we got here and humanity had to come along and clean it up in order to have a clean house.

>>21555931
Holding manufacturing back is what gets reflected back to us. Natural resources aren't helping us at all while they're sitting around in nature, not being refined into usable materials.

>>21554936 (OP)
Worth every drop.

>>21555908
It’s not used, metabolism does not break down water. Growing plants doesn’t break down water either

>>21554951
>smol

You need your faggot ass beaten down.

>>21556019
Turns out I was wrong. Growing plants does break down water. Its called photolysis

Sounds like plants are the issue here, not meat

>>21554939
How is it possible to blow bubbles through a cartoon toy pipe with the tip of your nose? That fez is going to fall off. What a TERRIBLE drawing. Disgusting.

>>21554978
What leftists? This isn't political. I eat more meat than any of you and I vote blue only. Also that's how rare I like my beef. You magafags always try and two-sides everything.
I am more intelligent than you are.
>jews own all the water
You're a fucking schizo. Go away.

>>21555063
It's wasted for a while. It doesn't really permanently leave the earth but it can't be used for two things at once.
I don't oppose beef farming at all but you can't be so stupid to think it all comes without a cost. That water could likely be put to better use.

>>21555113
lol, this.

The western man uses 32 times the resources of a Kenyan. We need to shorten that gap.
Read your Jared Diamond books to learn more.

>That 600 gallons becomes 600 gallons of cow urine
>That 600 gallons of urine, gets released into the fields
>The 600 gallons of urine pass trough the ground, filtering it and becoming clean again.
>That 600 gallons of filtered water is pumped back to the surface to start the cycle again.
Do people not know how the water cycle works?

>>21555440
>the water that's being used to uphold the "luxuries" people enjoy could be redirected instead to remediate water scarcity.
fuck off it's not your water. I don't live in the midwest anymore but I would gladly go back and kill every californian before letting them have a drop of the great lakes.

>>21556138
This position simply isn’t rational. Even if you said, “I’d rather kill all niggers/sandniggers than share water with them,” that would already be irrational, but you’re taking it even further by suggesting killing fellow Americans instead of sharing.
The truth is, it isn’t your water, and it isn’t my water either. It’s a shared resource, belonging to everyone, and like any limited resource it has to be managed fairly and responsibly.
And while water does recycle back into the environment after evaporation or waste, it’s not instantly usable again. It takes time for it to return as accessible freshwater through the natural cycle. That delay matters, because it means that careless or selfish use today creates real scarcity tomorrow. That’s why cooperation and fair allocation are not just “nice ideas,” but absolutely necessary for survival.

No N-word on blue boards please.

>>21554936 (OP)
*consumes 600 burgers in my path of life*

>>21556197
not one drop you filthy commie

>>21556201
shut the fuck up nigger

OOOOO jannie is gonna be SERIOUSLY TICKED OFF.

Enjoy your ban, nigger

>>21554936 (OP)
The water does not cease to exist once the cow drinks it. It’s all part of the water cycle.

>>21554936 (OP)

Tell people how much water google and other corporate data centers use up.
What them retreat.

>>21554998
>ancient spring water is the same as me gulping down recently filtered Detroit diarrhea/period blood/cum/shit/abortion juice
ok reddit

>>21556030
>leftist
>mentally ill
>retarded
>seething about Trump for no reason
bingo

>>21554947
This, also avocados.
They both waste monstrous amounts of water but you never see hippies cry about those.

>>21554970
>literal cartels
Only in your shithole, Pablo Hernandez

>>21556319
The #1 exporter is Mexico so there's high chances your avocado came from there

>>21554936 (OP)
wait till you hear about plants

>>21556114
You are assuming all of those steps proceeds at identical rates. They do not. We are very capable of upsetting that balance and it either never restabilizing or doing so at a speed where we'll all be long dead before it's noticeable.

>>21554936 (OP)
In my path???

>>21556298
Trump? When?

Normal people: "are you sure this is the most reasonable way to do things? it looks like if we keep doing it this way we're going to have some major problems in 20 years"

Rightoids: "duhh?!?!? it's no problem because in 4000 years if there are any humans left they'll look back and realize in the long run it all works out for the ones who survived?!?!?!?"

>>21555600
the water disappears forever. every cow removes 600 gallons of water from the earth EACH DAY

>>21554938
FPBP

>>21556779
Fake news. You are hysterical vegan shill.

Someone (you or the cow) eventually pisses the water which evaporates and returns to the Earth in the form of rain.

Those Tesla cars you fuckers buy (and yes it was you before it became a retard MAGA thing) pollute more than all the cows of the Earth.

Some more facts because I got tired of seeing this shitty thread on the front page. Cow fart meme myth, all the livestock industry accounts for a very tiny fraction of emissions.

>>21556777
Trips of truth

>>21556826
You want to do things differently START WALKING American fat fuck >>21556821

I will not stop eating meat so that you can stroll around in your mobility scooter.

Transportation 28% of emissions
Cows 4%

>>21556027
The fez uses booger adhesive, the pipe is inside his nostril.
How is this difficult for you?

>>21556821
Don't you seppos have to put holes in your cows so they don't explode?

>>21556821
Good point, maybe if we had more wind farms and solar... nah let's cancel those even the ones that are 90% completed and reopen the coal plants to own the libs

Why do you "people" pretend to have values? Oh right it's because you're literally subhuman

>>21556843
>strawman argument
I'm not right wing but you are a vegan shill with no fucking arguments.

>>21556843
Also again the American fat fucks making coal factories want to forbid me from eating meat, fuck you. My country is making nuclear plants.

>>21554951
>force fed massive amounts of grain
Cows eat grass you dysgenic mutt

>>21555343
The absolute state of mutts

>>21554936 (OP)
They piss it out and Indians drink it. Circle of piss

Maybe you've heard of this little thing called the water cycle. Water doesn't just get used up and disappear, it's not gasoline. Holy shit vegans are retarded. Everyone can agree that factory farms and industrial meat production is fucked up, but instead of that, these dumb fucks cry about cows drinking water.

>>21554936 (OP)
How horrible, what a waste, it's not like water falls from the sky or anything.

>>21555380
Indians don't want you to know this, but the cows in the streets are free. I say again, the cows in the streets are free. You can take them home. I have 458 cows.

>>21554936 (OP)
2/3rd of the earth is water

>>21557023
Energy doesn't get used up and disappear either, it just converts to another form, durrrr we should just set our money on fire because in 10,000 years we'll all be dead checkmate vegans!!!!

>>21555343
>>21555343
ok retard what exactly did you think i was trying to shill? i just said you were dumb for paying extra for a cow that ate grass for 99% of its life instead of one that ate grass for 98% of its life.

>>21554936 (OP)
>Cow drink
>Cow take piss
>Nutrients and waste go into soil
>Clean water evaporate to sky
>Water fall from sky
>Cow take drink
Problem, plant boy?

>>21554936 (OP)
Vegan bullshit takes up far more land and uses up a shitload more water. How are you vegan faggots this stupid?

>>21555139
Post nose, faggot.

>>21556138
California should absolutely fall off into the ocean. I was born there. I hate it.

>>21555113
>the issue isn't whether there are enough H2O molecules, the issue is whether there's enough readily available liquid water nearby that exists in a form that can be used for all foreseeable purposes without requiring so much processing that it no longer makes economic sense
Yeah it's called the ocean

People have the sort of flippant attitude about water usage like water was literally falling from the sky!

>>21559513
That theory kind of falls a part when you realise there like 9 billion people that need a minimum of 2 litres a day and that's not including using it for anything other than drinking. Then add in all the animals in the world, then the plants etc. Try watching a live rain map one day, it happens surprisingly less than you think and mostly in areas where it's not needed

Went vegan for ethical reasons in 2019 after autistically getting into meta-ethics, then normative ethics, then randomly came across the Name-The-Trait and Marginal Cases arguments.

>>21559425
>98% of its life
That's not a thing retard, producers go for the grass-fed designation or go for feedlot finishing and avoid the hassle altogether. Maybe you are not a shill but just fucking stupid, you have no idea how any of this works.

>oh wow why would anyone bother pay more for this 10 year old aged whiskey when you can get one that's been aged 9 years and 11 months for cheap
Not a thing either, this is how stupid you sound.

>>21559719
im sorry you have to cope this hard but all the cows are being fed grass. even when they are fattening them up at the feed lot. i wouldnt put it past you being some guy that thinks he has such a refined taste so of course you would be able to tell the difference

Celebrities and politicians should still be allowed to waste millions of gallons of water just to water their 900 acres of mowed grass every day though.

>>21559755
>I have no idea what the cattle/ranching industry is like but I'm gonna keep yapping on about it
Why is this site so full of people like this?

>>21559772
You mean why are people like this? Nigger.

>>21554936 (OP)
Nice!

>>21554938
this was a literal homosexual faggot tho

>>21559485
The water cycle isn't relevant when most of the water used in agriculture is pumped from aquifers which are being drained much faster than they replenish. Water that falls as rain is no use to you if you're far away from rivers. And the total amount of fresh water is actually diminishing as more water from the aquifers runs into the oceans.

Enjoy your beef while you can, it's going to become really expensive as climate change and water shortage dramatically reduce the crops production in the coming decades.

>>21560048
I would rather be forced to ration water for showering than give up beef, stop assuming your priorities are the same as those of the rest of us just because you have a radical vegan agenda.

BTW, cattle ranching is 4% of greenhouse gas emissions and only 6% of the water used is fit for Human use so again the imoact is negligible compared to industry, transportation, other Human uses, you are just distorting facts in the guise of caring for the environment, you want to impose your way of life on everyone using the environment as an excuse.

>>21554936 (OP)
>*consumes 600 gallons of water in your path*
>turns 600 gallons of water into holy water.

>>21559521
That theory falls apart when you realise (sic) that not all the 9 billion people need anything at all. We can just stop the aid and let nature take its course. And in fact, that’s what we are doing. We’ll be down to 5 billion by 2035.

>>21555001
mind game is awesome

>>21556816
Breast plz

>>21554970
>controlled my literal cartels
Guess you’re not fit for the business if they can’t stay loyal to you hombre

>>21556047
How can we get Kenyans to use more resources?

>>21554988
It literally does, retard. Do you think it's being held in giant tanks somewhere?

>>21556779
This is, somehow, what they actually believe. Same way with AI datacenters etc. The water is destroyed permanently, Consumed like a video game resource.

>>21560207
You could stop drinking and showering entirely and it wouldn't be enough water to pay for that daily beef steak. I don't care to impose anything, the invisible hand will do that soon enough lmao.

>>21554951

well golly gee I guess that water is gone forever.

>>21554939
>I keep seeing this bullshit figure everywhere, but zero math on how that's even possible. There's no fucking way it's real, is it?
It's a very heavy abstraction based on energy use. So if a cow eats an area of pasture, that pasture had some value of light fall on it. A cow moved by a truck consumed a value of fuel. The refrigeration used to keep it fresh uses some amount of electricity.

Take that total amount of energy, and say look this cow used 18,000MJ of energy to grow and be processed. If we used a power plant to generate that amount of power it would use X amount of water. So a cow uses X amount of water to make a burger.

If you see a lower number that's likely the calculation where all the rainfall that lands on pasture land is counted as being "used" to make the cow. Ignoring that it would have rained anyway.

>>21554936 (OP)
imagine how much water we'd have if we got rid of all the greedy fucking vegetation everywhere.

>>21554936 (OP)
>Take bite of burger
>my head explodes as all the compressed water rushes out at once

>>21561828
I fucking HATE when this happens dude I stopped going to my local burger joint cause they kept doing this