Thread 21586569

Thought milk was good for you? Think again.

Vegan psyop

>>21586569 (OP)
Grandma, go back to facebook.

>>21586569 (OP)
And veganism gives you anemia.

More cow juice for me nigga tf outta here

>>21586569 (OP)
Why do they say "can" instead of "does"?

>>21586629
because milk comes in cans and not from deer

Obligatory

>>21586569 (OP)
We only started regularly consuming cow milk around 10k years ago when animal husbandry started. 10k years is a drop in the ocean that is hundreds of thousands of years of homo sapiens evolution and millions if we also include the erectus.

It's pretty obvious we are not adapted to milk. Most of the world is lactose intolerant. Some european populations managed to evolve tolerance, but given that it was only 10k years, they still have a high percentage of intolerance. Even with tolerance, allergies and other adverse reactions to milk proteins and hormones are widespread.

The only thing milk has going on for it is calories, calcium and protein. The average person is consuming too many calories as is. The primary source of protein should be meat, as it was for our entire evolutionary history.

The main factor in favor of milk is calcium. Naturally we would be getting it manily from consuming bone, either by eating small animals and fish whole, or by eating marrow. The average person these days doesn't do either, and so milk is recommended because it is a decent source of calcium. But ideally, we would be eating bones. Or take supplements.

Now watch people culturally conditioned to consume milk cry and shit themselves because reality isn't compatible with that they have been doing their whole lives.

>>21586813
Would you say the same about grains?

>>21586813
>It's pretty obvious we are not adapted to milk.
There is undeniable genetic proof that some people are adapted to it. Places that produced a lot of dairy have higher rates of lactase persistence so that they can continue digesting lactose after childhood. The only reason for this would be adapting to drinking milk from domesticated dairy animals. 10k years is long enough for that kind of change.

We also started domesticating starchy foods more around 10k years ago. There is also undeniable genetic evidence that some people adapted to this and produce more of the enzymes that digest starch. There is also some evidence that some people produce less of these enzymes and that obesity could possibly be related to poor digestion of starch.

The only people who make these arguments against dairy always seem to be lactose intolerant or vegan or something.

>>21586819
That's entirely different and you know it.

The vast majority of ethnic and racial groups around the world are able to consume grains. This is why they are called "staples".

Milk consumption has only been observed in specific ethnic and racial groups. While I will not deny that it supporting the diets of Mongolians and Northern Indians, it is rather alarming that it was considered a necessity for most of Europe.

If anything, it is a sign that Northern and Western Europeans should not exist today. That is to say, they should have died off due to not having proper agricultural practices to survive the climate of their poorly chosen environment after migrating out of Africa.

Since Europeans and those of European descent barely make up 1/8th of the global population, we should not base our dietary decisions nor our farming practices around a trait inherent to a racial and ethnic group that should have died off 8k years ago.

>>21586813
>10k years of milk use
>Cultures that use it can use it freely and have created a billion variety of cheeses
>Cultures that don't use it are third worldlers
Even if 10k is a drop in a bucket on a grand time scale, that's still enough time to show that milk has a major impact and without it, the world would be completely different.

Also
>But ideally, we would be eating bones. Or take supplements.

What caveman had calcium supplements? That's totally natural. Also, what part of the human body is capable of munching and breaking down bones before cooking, fire, and dentistry? Have you ever tried eating a raw bone? Who would choose to chew on a bone like a dog versus drinking a nutrient rich and tasty drink?

>>21586819
Grains are a very similiar story. Agriculture and animal husbandry started to gain traction around the same time period. Before that, we would eat some seeds, but they were never a significant part of our diets. They are an excellent source of calories, but very poor in micros, probably the largest contributor to modern obesity and malnutrition. Gluten, phytates, high glycemic load. Ideally we wouldn't be consuming grains either, but then we wouldn't be able to support current population size. That said, grains have been adopted pretty much universally around the world, unlike milk, so the rate of adaptation is higher.

>>21586833
>There is undeniable genetic proof that some people are adapted to it.
Adaptation is not a binary. You're correct that populations with access to and heavy evolutionary pressures for milk consumption did evolve higher rates of tolerance, but rates of intolerance and adverse effects are still high even in these populations. Give it another 100k years and maybe we will be fully adapted, though i doubt it, given that the evolutionary pressures of old such as starvation are mostly gone. Lactose intolerant genes are no longer punished with starving during winter because they can't drink milk.

>We also started domesticating starchy foods more around 10k years ago. There is also undeniable genetic evidence that some people adapted to this and produce more of the enzymes that digest starch.
Same story, Yes, we evolved some amylase gene duplications over 10k years. It's not enough to consider it a full adaptation.

>The only people who make these arguments against dairy always seem to be lactose intolerant or vegan or something.
That argument can work both ways, I can argue the only people who desperately defend milk do so because they enjoy it. I'm not vegan or lactose intolerant, though I do notice more systemic inflammation from heavy consumption. There is nothing in milk that justifies consuming it compared to other alternatives.

>>21586834
Whats different? Humans started to consume both dairy and grains 10k years ago. Why 1 is adapted and 1 isnt (according to you)?
>If anything, it is a sign that Northern and Western Europeans should not exist today. That is to say, they should have died off due to not having proper agricultural practices to survive the climate of their poorly chosen environment after migrating out of Africa.
>Since Europeans and those of European descent barely make up 1/8th of the global population, we should not base our dietary decisions nor our farming practices around a trait inherent to a racial and ethnic group that should have died off 8k years ago.
Ive no idea what any of this means. We who? Whos forcing these people who dont like dairy to consume it?

>>21586843
>Even if 10k is a drop in a bucket on a grand time scale, that's still enough time to show that milk has a major impact and without it, the world would be completely different.
I never said milk has no impact. It had a hufe impact on the development of civilization. I said we are not fully adapted to its consumption.
>What caveman had calcium supplements?
None, obviously. They ate bones. Supplements simply offer a way to satisfy calcium needs without lactose or milk proteins/hormones.
>Also, what part of the human body is capable of munching and breaking down bones before cooking, fire, and dentistry?
Cooking is roughly 1 million years old, most likely started by homo erectus. It was cooking that caused the transition to homo sapiens. We are obviously adapted to consuming cooked food.

>>21586854
>but rates of intolerance and adverse effects are still high even in these populations
Ireland and Scandinavia has like 3% lactose intolerance rates. Historically these people consumed a ton of dairy and were healthy.

>though I do notice more systemic inflammation from heavy consumption.
And there it is.

Some people do react poorly to some cow milk because it has relatively new "A1" protein that appeared in Scandinavia a few thousand years ago. You might be able to have "A2" cow milk or goat milk.

It doesn't really matter though. You're just trying to say nobody can have it because you can't have it. I have no issues with milk and feel better with it in my diet and worse without it. I'm not really interested in hearing the same arguments people keep trying to make against it.

Does everyone need to consume it? Certainly not. Is it unnatural and we're not adapted for it and it makes everyone sick? No, there is plenty of evidence showing adaptation and thriving on dairy for some people.

>ok we might have adapted to it but not enough
ugh

Veganism is so weird, it's like the epitome of decadence of people who have no REAL problems.
A deficiency diet that can ONLY work in overflowing abundance societies with all inclusive treatment. Never having known real hunger, but looking down on people accepting their omnivore nature while completely ignoring that they are no better than anybody else and causing just as much animal pain, all those cuddly wuddly mouse families with their big eyes getting squished when the plow comes to grow their food, monsters!
Of course having NO idea about the production circles. When there is no food because of no animals to produce the required fertilizer, today's world saving vegan goes into the supermarket and buys more, there's ALWAYS enough... Or suggests using only anorganic fertilizer, which of course there will also always be enough of... No indea about dairy farming as well of course, having never even SEEN a milk producing farm from inside.
Also ignoring that BECAUSE we are currently living in an abundance society, the animals are actually treated really well, ONLY a society that has everything can afford animal protection laws. In the old days the cow was usually simply tied in the shed, day and night, getting fed the food waste. The families had enough problems surviving themselves, so they had no time to think about the widdle animal fwiend.
NO idea about ANYTHING but wanting to tell other people what to eat because they like the cows' big eyes, wonderful.

>>21586569 (OP)
Death from cancer is the natural end state of the human body.
Cells divide.

>>21586866
>You're just trying to say nobody can have it because you can't have it.
I don't care about individual outcomes when talking about trends. Individual outcomes are by definition only relevant to individuals. I don't claim that we aren't adapted to consuming meat because indivduals with meat allergies exist.
>I have no issues with milk and feel better with it in my diet and worse without it.
Then consume it, but be aware that feel is a poor metric. I'm sure fat people feel terrible when on a diet. Have you done an actual elimination diet with zero dairy for at least 4 weeks? Did you do blood and stool tests for inflammation markers? Lactose intolerance is apparent enough. Can you justify consuming milk in any way other than "I like the taste" or "I don't wanna eat bones"?
>ugh
Grunting isn't an argument. An adaptation can be partial, that's a fact.

>>21586569 (OP)
It should be common sense that milk isn't good for you. It's a food intended to aid baby cows in packing on hundreds of pounds and it's absolutely filled with all sorts of growth hormones to aid in this process. This guy >>21586813 gets it but as you always see with the replies to threads like this, the psyop to politicize diet has been wildly successful and npcs blindly defend the diet associated with their political beliefs rather than putting any nuanced thought into the topic.

>you don't drink milk? that means that you MUST be a leftist vegan!!!
Pure retards. I eat meat every day but I'd never touch dairy. But these morons are so conditioned to their politics that they'll spend the rest of their lives poisoning themselves with shit like dairy and wheat before they'll admit that "the left" might be right about some things.

>>21586878
>Have you done an actual elimination diet with zero dairy for at least 4 weeks?
yep

>Did you do blood and stool tests for inflammation markers?
nope

>Can you justify consuming milk in any way other than "I like the taste" or "I don't wanna eat bones"?
yep

>>21586873
>confuses moral arguments with utilitarian arguments
Vegan don't eat animals because they don't want animals killed. You can not give a shit about animals and still refuse to eat certain animal products out of practical consideratons.

Now go and eat cow shit to own the vegans.

>>21586843
NTA but calcium it naturally found in large amounts in wild fruits and vegetables. Farmed produce is just nutritionally empty in comparison and a human living 50k years ago would easily meet their calcium requirements from eating fruit.

>>21586880
>intended
By who? You know modern cows produce more milk than a calf would be able to drink? And if they aren't getting rid of that extra milk, they end up in discomfort? Who would that extra milk be for?

>my current feelings should just be common sense with everyone
lol

Are you lactose intolerant or allergic too? Do you have zero issues consuming dairy but still think it's bad?

>>21586881
So what's the justificaton? There's isn't anything special about milk, nutritionally speaking. It was very useful back in the day because it provided a consistent outpout of calories in times where they were needed to prevent starvation, especially during winter, but that's is no longer a consideration in 1st world countries.

Calcium? Bones. You're much better off just eating small fish like sardines with their bones, you will get a decent O3 intake while you're at it, which most people don't get it.

Protein? Meat is an obviously superior choice. Whey is more affordable, i suppose, but meat is also richer in micros.

So what's the reason?

>>21586880
>the psyop to politicize diet has been wildly successful and npcs blindly defend the diet associated with their political beliefs rather than putting any nuanced thought into the topic
>But these morons are so conditioned to their politics that they'll spend the rest of their lives poisoning themselves with shit like dairy and wheat before they'll admit that "the left" might be right about some things
The two party system and its consequences have been a distaster to the human race.

All these arguments about 10k not being long enough for adaptation is moronic. We are always evolving. We were once plant eaters. If these morons were around when our ancestors first started trying meat, theyd go "but youre not a lion! Why are you eating meat??!!". Idiotic.
>>21586890
why shouldnt taste be a reason? It fucking tastes good so i like it better than eating fish. Why wouldnt that be a legitimate reason?

>>21586890
I feel better with it in my diet and worse without it. I don't like fish or meat and think they generally taste bad unless heavily seasoned and they upset my stomach sometimes, but I can drink plain milk and never get sick of it or have any digestive issues or anything.

Milk is pretty high in micros. You'd only be missing a few things by consuming a lot of milk. Pastoralists would traditionally mix blood and milk to make up for some of what it lacked but they didn't have any issues thriving on large amounts of dairy with minimal meat for periods of time. Milk protein generally rates higher than meat from what I've looked at regarding bioavailability.

>>21586890
I am not a scientist so ive no idea whats in milk that isnt in fish and what have you. You think our ancestors can tell vitamin a from vitamin z? No they just consume whatever tastes good and makes them feel good. End of fucking story.

>>21586890
Gives good animal protein without having to kill the animal. Eggs fall in the same category.
Substantiality. Having a good portion of milk or eggs daily is better than having meat becaically once in abundance, but then nothing after.
Even if you don't care about the animal it's the better option just from that simple calculation alone.
Also you don't get those proteins and calories INSTEAD but ADDITIONALLY because you can still at the end eat the meat.

>>21586854
>probably the largest contributor to modern obesity and malnutrition.
You are genuinely retarded if you believe this
Obesity started being a problem 100 years ago when grain consumption started FALLING.
Bread used to be 70% of peoples diets 200-300 years ago
>>21586813
>lactose intolerance
Lmao brown

>>21586569 (OP)
>Milk gives you cancer
Life causes cancer.

>>21586647
jews hate milk because they're lactose intolerant
funny thing, given how GOD promised a land of milk and honey to HIS people
just as funny as their "homeland" giving them skin cancer

>>21586813
Why do people say "brown" when someone mentions they're lactose intolerant when there's tribes in Africa that solely subsist off dairy and tons of white people are lactose intolerant. I'm white and lactose intolerant. Atp I think "being adapted to lactose" is a cope, everyone is lactose intolerant, it's just that some people (Indians and fat white Americans) think constantly farting is normal.

>>21586889
The obvious solution is to stop "breeding" cows for milk. By your logic Might as well keep breeding pugs and french bulldogs who can barely walk or breathe for absolutely no reason.

>>21586889
Also, cows are constantly raped and impregnated by humans, so might want to stop doing that too, not being constantly pregnant will bring down milk production.

>>21586569 (OP)
It gives me acne I know that. and it's not the lactose because lactose free dairy also gives me acne. so it's either the A1 protein or hormones.

Cancer is errors in cell division that are still capable of reproducing themselves.
Anything that causes damage increases the amount of divisions, and therefor the chance of cancer.
To say that something which increases growth of bones and muscle causes cancer is a very malicious assertion.

>>21586813
Well fuck me, Tommy. What have you been reading?

>>21587482
If you can't chug a half gallon of milk with zero side effects (besides wanting to take a piss) then you're not lactose tolerant, and therefore have inferior genes when it comes to nutrition

>>21587490
Where are these human men x cow breeding farms, asking for a friend

>>21586921
you know more browns consume milk than whites even if they have intolerance because they don't know better.
get new material. lactase persistence isn't lifelong and can burn out in as early as your 20s but usually in the late 40s+. doesn't stop fools from their dysphoria after all entire generations were groomed by MKultra programs to believe milk is good for you.

>>21587485
>>21587490
>for absolutely no reason.
Well that's the difference. These deformed dogs weren't bred that way to serve any kind of purpose except people wanted to buy them for whatever reason. A cow producing more milk for people who have higher rates of the ability to digest lactose past childhood has a purpose.

The animal welfare thing is another topic of discussion and even as someone who likes milk I agree there are issues that should be dealt with. But saying we don't need milk, we're not adapted for it, it's bad for everyone, etc. is going to cause problems too.

>>21587557
>you know more browns consume milk than whites
no they don't lol. i assume you mean total intake overall for everyone and not per person, because people who try to argue against dairy consumption are very prone to using dishonest arguments like this.

>entire generations were groomed by MKultra programs to believe milk is good for you.
now explain why there is plenty of evidence of people thousands of years ago thinking milk was good. so bizarre to think everything is a modern psyop especially with food that's been consumed for thousands of years and caused genetic changes in some people.

>>21586569 (OP)
those illustrations are full of subliminal manipulation which suggests the creator of that image is disingenuous and does not care about honesty and truth.

>>21587482
if you're not european there's a higher chance of lactose intolerance. but like you said parts of africa have the same lactase persistence rates as europe. and the middle east also has a high rate of lactase persistence as well.

making it entirely about race is for brainlets because these people would think you're a retard if you told them milk is for white people or they're not actually adapted to it

>>21586834
Holy nigger logic. Being able to properly digest milk is a large contributor to white's evolved superiority.

>>21586834
>The vast majority of ethnic and racial groups around the world are able to consume grains.
It still varies. Some people digest grains/starch in general better than others, while poor digestion of starch is associated with various health problems on high starch diets.

>Human AMY1 (salivary) and AMY2 (pancreatic) genes have significant copy number variation (CNV), with AMY1 typically ranging from 2 to 20 copies per diploid genome and AMY2A showing 0 to 8 copies, while AMY2B often shows fewer copies, such as 1 to 3 copies. This variation is an evolutionary adaptation linked to diet, where higher AMY1 copy numbers are associated with high-starch diets

>>21587539
Let me do you a favor.

I was wondering when the next successor in the "soy" to "seed oils" to "red40" pipeline of schizo broscience would come out. I guess now the same people who a mere decade ago were posting the ok sign and saying "milk is white supremacy XD" have degraded their brains enough to flip 180 degrees and claim it's some psyop.

>>21587482
Just consider the fact you're asking why a group of low IQ individuals who are incapable of arguing or presenting a point, resorting to shouting buzzwords instead, simply repeat canned phrases and buzzwords when met with external or internal stimuli. They are not sapient human beings.

>>21587554
Would you rather have genetically engineered catgirls or cowgirls first?

>>21586569 (OP)
>thing humanity has been drinking literaly forever?
>BAD.
>industrial chemically infused slop?
>GOOD
No.

>>21587596
Vegan anti-milk shilling has been a thing for as long as almond, soy, and oat "milk" were allowed to use that misleading word despite being nothing of the sort

>>21586569 (OP)
Am I weird for thinking a glass of milk is the best thing to pair with a slice of pizza? It's fucking delicious but my friends gave me shit for this lol

>>21587844
that sounds lovely, your "friends" just don't get it

>>21586889
>By who?
By nature, you smartass retard. Just like you are not intended to eat leaves or grass, you are not intended to drink milk after infancy, certainly not the milk of another species. You can do these things, sure, but just because you CAN eat grass does not mean that you should.

>You know modern cows produce more milk than a calf would be able to drink?
And these cows are "modern" because...? Oh yeah, it's because they've been selectively bred to produce unnatural amounts of milk. Don't appeal to nature by describing a manmade problem.

I have zero issues consuming dairy and I know it's bad because common sense aside, we have a wealth of studies showing the negative effects of dairy consumption. Now I realize that you're likely an American and as such your conception of nutrition is informed almost entirely by lobbyists and advertising but you still have access to the internet and could educate yourself on thisntopic rather than doing whatever it is you're doing here; making drinking milk into some kind of awkward attempt at white pride. Beyond cringe, kid.

>>21587596
>not poisoning yourself with foods that didn't exist in the human diet for 99.99% of our evolutionary history is "broscience"
Wish I could be there to see you at age 40 with a bunch of aches and pains and health problems that you think are from "getting old" when they're actually just the cumulative effects of a lifetime spent poisoning yourself. At least you're not one of those "bros", right?

>>21587966
Those guys were big and strong and died before they hit 40. What you retards fail to understand is that getting big and strong as fast as possible and living a long and healthy life are incompatible goals.

Lactose intolerant cope thread #258573734

>>21587961
>Just like you are not intended to eat leaves or grass
i like leafy greens. there are edible grasses.

> you are not intended to drink milk after infancy, certainly not the milk of another species.
i think i am. i have lactase persistence and feel better when drinking milk. drinking the milk of another species seems more reasonable than drinking human milk as an adult. people evolved to drink milk and they were healthy while doing so. modern science will say anything is good or bad and anyone can pick studies to support the claim.

>unnatural amounts of milk. Don't appeal to nature by describing a manmade problem.
you're the one doing the appeal to nature fallacy repeatedly

>making drinking milk into some kind of awkward attempt at white pride.
i posted in this thread talking about how africans and middle easterners drink milk and have comparable rates of lactase persistence as europeans in some areas. idk why you're bringing up white pride in response to my post which mentioned nothing of the sort. you've got brainrot.

>>21587968
People have consumed dairy for thousands of years you fucking retard. Its not some new fad diet from tiktok. Milk drinking countries all have the tallest, strongest people. You are full of shit.

>>21586896
>If these morons were around when our ancestors first started trying meat, theyd go "but youre not a lion! Why are you eating meat??!!"
If you want to sacrifice your own health for the sake of contributing to furthering an adaptation, go ahead, but don't pretend it's healthy for the individual.
>>21586896
>why shouldnt taste be a reason? It fucking tastes good so i like it better than eating fish. Why wouldnt that be a legitimate reason?
Because taste only correlates with edibility, not the food actually being optimal for health. Are you going to argue fast food is fine becacuse it's tasty?

>>21586912
>Gives good animal protein without having to kill the animal. Eggs fall in the same category.
>Substantiality. Having a good portion of milk or eggs daily is better than having meat becaically once in abundance, but then nothing after.
These are indeed valid arguments in the context of a resource scarce environment and why milk became a staple in the first place. We no longer live in a resource scarce enviornment, however. Not in the 1st world, at least. You don't have to drink milk because there's nothing else available anymore.
>Also you don't get those proteins and calories INSTEAD but ADDITIONALLY because you can still at the end eat the meat.
Familiarize yourself with the concepts of opportunity cost and caloric budget. There's only x calories you can eat daily without becoming a fatass. Every single calorie of milk you consume would be better spent consuming meat or bones.

>>21586921
>100 years ago
>200-300 years ago
Zoom out, then try explaining how a pre-agrarian hunter gatherer could become obese.

>>21588441
Fast food only tastes good to fatties you dumb fuck. I havent had fast food in near a decade cause it tastes like fucking ass. How fucking shit are your taste buds that you think that shit tastes good?
Dairy not only tastes good, it makes me feel good. Thats much deeper than just taste. And all the strongest, tallest, most beautiful people on earth come from countries that drink milk. So i dont have to fucking pretend anything. But you can keep pretending that dairy is killing us if it makes you feel better lmao.

>>21586569 (OP)
I don't give a fuck what you claim causes cancer. I smoke cigarettes so I'm already going to probably get cancer. Life is too short to avoid things because there's some possible risk. I'm never going to eat enough seafood that mercury will affect me. I'm not going to blacken anything on teflon pans or scrape at them with metal utensils. I can be trusted to properly use things and eat things and not die from them. And if they do kill me, whatever. I really doubt I'm going to be chained to a bed for prolonged suffering that they can point to something I ate or drank causing. I'll get me some of that fentanyl and get high to death at that point. Who cares? Party hearty.

>>21586813
I can tolerate it so I ingest it. I don't drink glasses of straight milk because that seems weird to me. But I eat cheese and butter, I put cream in my coffee, and I make yogurt smoothies with half and half. The closest I get to drinking milk is having the occasional bowl of cereal, which I'd use almond or oat milk for just because it keeps longer.

>>21587401
Sequence break? What the fuck does that mean?

>>21588461
please leave this website and never EVER return

LEAVE NOW

>>21586569 (OP)
>could
>can
>maybe
>perhaps
>potentially
>mayhaps
>allegedly
>new study shows

>>21588451
I don't eat fast food either but it's engineered to taste good and be addictive. It's like you're claiming you smoked some crack and didn't get high. It doesn't taste like real food and it doesn't really even resemble actual versions of what it is, but fast food on just a dopamine receptor level does taste good. If it's fresh and hot and you don't add or remove ingredients from the way it's intended to be eaten, you're going to be getting a very specific ratio of salt/sugar/fat. And it's been engineered for decades to appeal to the most people and get them to return for more. Even Master Chefs with Michelin stars will admit that fast food works in ways their fare never will. You should avoid it and so do I but let's not kid ourselves. It doesn't "taste like shit". I loathe mcds with all my being but I could go for a mcchicken or a classic cheeseburger right now or any time really. Same with the fresh salted fries. If you put it in front of me I'd have a hard time not eating it. But I won't go there and get it any more than I'd go into the ghetto and buy crack. I just know better. Road trip in the middle of nowhere and there's nothing else open? I'll eat it if I have to.

>>21587974
Damn you're pathetic.

>>21586569 (OP)
>Source is online poll made by Indians


LOL

>>21586569 (OP)
Someone forgot to renew their domain name.

>>21588496
Oops.

i have schizo fatigue

>>21586569 (OP)
>company sells dairy-free food products
Are people really retarded enough to fall for these? It can't even be bait at this point.

>>21588477
Is this pasta or chatgpt? I seriously hope (for your sake) you didnt write that fucking essay trying to convince me that fast food is good in any fucking way.

>>21588451
>Fast food only tastes good to fatties you dumb fuck. I havent had fast food in near a decade cause it tastes like fucking ass.
Sure Anon you're just built different and immune to supernormal stimuli. I bet that if i was regularly inject you with heroin against your will you'd just refuse to get addicted out of sheer strength of will, too. You're very smart.
>all the strongest, tallest, most beautiful people on earth come from countries that drink milk
People were stronger and taller before animal husbandry. I swear it's impossible to have an actual discussion with a retard like you because your only frame of reference is a few hundred years at most, you're like a child in a fog. Read a book.

>>21588452
>Life is too short
>Therefore i will take unecessary risks to make it even shorter
Don't pretend like your smoking is a calculated, utilitarian choice. You smoke because you picked up the habit when you were young and retarded, except you're still retarded and never developed the impulse control necessary to quit. People quit all the time, but no one picks up smoking as an adult and claims it improved their lives. You're coping, hard.

>>21586854
wholegrains are an excellent source of micronutrients, you are a fool

>>21588447
you vill eat ze bones

>>21588461
Games usually have an intended sequence to follow to beat, but you can exploit the mechanics to skip stuff

>>21586569 (OP)
Every fucking thing is going to give us cancer. Shit, not having cancer causes cancer in fact.

>>21586569 (OP)
>mother watching the tv news, spits out her milk
>snatches cereal away from her baby
>one by one people passing by a trash can, dsgusted, throwing away their milk
>the main villain who was selling the milk puts his hands on his head and tears out his hair
We've won.

>>21586569 (OP)
>which can increase
>can increase
>can increase
More can's than a cannery.

>>21586569 (OP)
I still find it crazy that every fucking cow outside of Ireland is apparently feedlot tortured instead of grazed in a pasture (which is basically free). I understand the climate/grass isn't right everywhere but America has ENORMOUS swathes of land surely some of it has viable pasture (grass-fed seems to only be an "artisanal" thing there, you might say it's an economical thing, but again, grass is basically free and I'm under the impression they get fed on soy which wouldn't even be the dirt cheap surplus grain that corn is)

>>21588519
No they aren't, retard. Whole grains are obviously better than the micronutritional void that is refined grains, but you have to be fucking clueless about nutritrion to say they're an "excellent source" of anything.

Average whole grain bread will have around 300 kcal in 100 g and only provide around:

161 mg of calcium, which would be 16% of RDA, if it wasn't poorly absorbed from the oxalate content so more like 10%, enjoy getting fat on your 3000 kcal diet

2.47 mg of iron, which would be 24%, but it's non-heme which absorbs roughly half as well as heme, so more like 12%, same story.

75 mg of magnesium, 18% of RDA, not terrible but you'd still be at over 1500 kcal just to get the magnesium, leaving you little kcal for everying bread is deficent in. Compare to cocoa for example which is roughly 200ish kcal per 100g, but has 500 mg of magnesium.

212 mg of phosphorus, 30% of RDA, decent enough

And that's pretty much it. Some B vitamins, B1 is alright at 25% RDA. You will be deficent in everything else.
>but muh fiber
You can eat fruit and vegetables to get your fiber AND micros.

>>21588615
Nah. There's a ton of cow farms around me here in California (people joke that our town has more cows than people) and they're out in huge fields of grass, grazing all the time. It's a great way to use marginal land that couldn't grow stuff for humans to eat, and grass is cheap.

If you're talking about "grass-fed butter" I think what you're paying for with that is the assurance they only ever get grass, and it's not supplemented with grain or anything, even in the winter.

>>21588530
Don't even get me started on the widespread EPA/DHA deficency caused by little to no consumption of brains, eyes and nervous tissue. Conversion from ALA found in plant sources is piss poor at around 10% for EPA and like 0.1% for DHA.

And the worst part is, there are legitimate reasons not to consume nervous tissue now, that is prions, but prion accumulation is caused by feeding farm animals with other farm animals, that's what caused the mad cow disease outbreak, yet another problem with animal husbandry. In nature, the food chain is long and diverse enough that such accumulation simply does not happen in wild game.

Best you can do today is eat fatty fish or supplement with microalgae. Or hunt, if you can.

>>21588519

Whole grains are full of the good substances the plant put in there to protect its seeds from hungry animals. Phytines to bind nutrients and complex sugars causing gas and diarrhea, MWAH *chef's kiss*

>>21588639
Nobody in their right minds chooses to be in california, everybody and their are fleeing the place. Next you'll all be in the Pacific ocean.

>>21588654
>nervous tissue
No wonder you "people" are from India and Pakistan.

>>21588615

Cows are always most of the time in pastures, "grass-fed" just guarantees a certain amount.
Silage is prepared not to keep the cown inside if it could also go grazing, but for the winter, so you still have something to feed it when the grass isn't growing much.
Also it is always guaranteed that a cow is fed with mostly grass, because otherwise - it dies. You can only add a few percent of grains or similar as "power food", the bacterial flora in it is really sensitive and feeding too little grass quickly leads to deadly effects.

>>21588764
>dude lets kill off our workers
lmao, do you even think before posting?

>>21586569 (OP)
For me, I go for the Chocolate milk, if it's from pakiland or india then no thanks.

>>21588654
>Conversion from ALA found in plant sources is piss poor at around 10% for EPA and like 0.1% for DHA.
Oddly enough milk has a good amount of omega 3 but it's ALA. Maybe because cows convert it better than humans.

>microalgae
I take an omega 3 supplement from algae. I really like seaweed and would eat it more if it wasn't so expensive but I've never actually eaten algae. Fish oil makes me burp and eating fish directly does the same thing but no issue with algae oil.

Had to look around a bit to find a decent one though since some of them only have DHA.

>>21586569 (OP)
Explain mongolians then.

>>21586569 (OP)
Eating stupid food like BK, and MC'Ds gives you the cancer, look it up I heard about it on Art Bell's old show.

>>21588639
There's no such thing as grass-fed beef or butter here, because it all is. It honestly feels like the factory farm practices are almost wrong on purpose (but surely there must be some sort of "economy of scale" justification for it)

>>21586569 (OP)
Just drink organic milk, solves 99% of this

Also, DEI ahh poster

>>21588801
Explain what exactly

Their complete and utterly irrelevance to the world? Their obsession with a dead rapist warlord whose empire lasted about half a second past his death?

Mongolia is a joke.

>>21588908
If milk is so terrible for you, why are they so healthy, nigger?

>>21586834
brown hands typed this post

>>21586583
Also AIDS and schizophrenia

>>21586571
It's actually worse, lactose-intolerant jealousy.

>>21586813
My gut biome it quite well adapted to digesting it. The adaption to lactose intolerance is to just keep consuming it. Also the Mongols were the true kings of it, not Euros, and they are better than you.

>>21588459
>almond or oat milk
nut juice. Not milk

>>21589523
>The adaption to lactose intolerance is to just keep consuming it.
I think that only works for some people. Some people have a digestive system that can produce lactase, but if you don't regularly consume milk it's not ready to do so and you can end up with digestive issues. But after a while your body will expect it and be ready to produce it and the issues go away. If you don't have a digestive system that can produce lactase you'll probably just keep getting diarrhea if you drink too much milk.

>>21587968
>MUH HISTORY
Don't treat wounds or take medicine. Bleed yourself with leeches every time you feel ill. It's traditional, BRO

>>21587968
Jokes on you, retard. I'm already 40 and I feel great. Better than ever since I started drinking milk again after not doing it for a decade or two.

>>21587401
Many milk-racists can drink raw milk fine.

>>21587565
It's vegan propaganda. They do not care for the truth, at all. Vegans are horrible people that believe they are morally in the right because eating meat is rape, murder, mutilation, imprisonment all in one. No, they make no difference between people and animals.

>>21586647
Well. There it is.

>>21588512
>People were stronger and taller before animal husbandry.
False. People became shorter and sicklier as soon as they adopted an agrarian diet. The nomadic hunter-gatherers, fishermen and pasteuralists retained their health.

Also, people back then weren't stronger and taller than modern people from milk consuming countries.

You are very ill informed.

>>21586647
thousands of people were severely sickened or dying from milk every year before pasteurization.

raw milk is almost certainly better for you than pasteurized when it's produced properly and cleanly. modern production methods just increase the risk of food poisoning too much.

>>21589720
>False. People became shorter and sicklier as soon as they adopted an agrarian diet.
I think that poster is advocating for more of a paleo style diet

>>21588638
I love this new world where it's just 2 retards asking chatgpt to disprove the other person's argument

>>21588908
The Mongols were major players in Asia for centuries after Genghis death.

>>21589734
I am all for that, too. Just pointing out that it wasn't milk consumption that manleted our ancestors.

>>21586569 (OP)
I'm white and milk digestion certified. We and the pajeets are milk boys

>>21586569 (OP)
i dissolve a calcium and vitamin c pill in water by leaving it in the fridge overnight and drink that.

>>21589917
i read calcium supplements are associated with heart issues

it tastes good so it's good for me :)

>>21586569 (OP)
>Milk is bad for you
>Pictures of brown people
We know you can't digest lactose, now leave us alone, shitskin

>>21586569 (OP)
trying to shame white people out of drinking milk because most nonwhites are lactose intolerant. nothingburger, ignore

>>21586647
>feed rats nothing but cow's milk
>be surprised when their health deteriorates

>>21590757
i would assume they fed other rats raw milk to compare

>>21590423
Taking 600mg with meals once in a while is not going to do anything harmful.
Calcium is an essential nutrient that is constantly being depleted. Muscles need calcium to work and bones and teeth are made of calcium. The people who have problems are consuming much larger amounts to stave off osteoporosis. I'm slightly allergic to dairy now so I don't consume it so I need to supplement calcium and vitamin d. I eat a very low fat diet and am basically vegan (but not strictly) except for whey powder which my body tolerates.

>>21588509
I'm not trying to convince you it's good. I'm trying to get you to admit to yourself that it doesn't taste like shit, because it's designed not to. Yes, we get that you have a superior palate and you're too good for fast food. SO AM I. But I don't bullshit myself or anyone else into believing it tastes bad. You aren't smart enough to understand what I'm explaining to you. You're this new breed of "thinker" who separates everything into simple, black and white, binary arguments. I'm here "shilling" fast food on you in your mind. You're a fucking retard. And it's not your fault. It's your mom's for raising you on the internet and giving you a phone before you could read. You are at a great disadvantage but instead you think you have the edge. Sad.

>>21588515
Yes, no one has ever claimed that smoking tobacco has improved their lives. Coping with what?

>>21588565
WTF are you blathering about you fucking child molester?

>>21590941
>>21588512
Again didnt read
If you think that my everyday diet of vegetables, meat, fruit, cream, milk is just an act, that im secretly salivating for a big mac, then i dont know what to tell you. Maybe you really are just that retarded.

>>21590969
no starch? you crazy? you body needs starch. You are starving yourself.

>>21590972
Our bodies just enter ketosis if they have no starches. No big deal.

>>21590972
you can get plenty of carbs with milk and fruit

>>21591366
i tried keto and the lack of carbs made me feel tired and thirsty all the time which is apparently a common issue. i did feel better without starch but i seem to feel worse without sugar.

>>21591371
the body wants glucose. the best source of glucose is starch.

>>21591373
not everyone digests starch very well. some people don't produce as much of the enzymes for it.

>>21591371
>>21591373
Ketosis takes some time to kick in. You might feel a bit off for up to two weeks. Or you might not feel any adverse effects at all. The craving for sugary, starchy food is going to go away once your body no longer anticipates it and runs on ketosis. Our bodies can run perfectly fine without dietary starch. Or our longterm energy storage wouldn't be starchless fat.

For most of our history we did not have access to reliable sources of highly concentrated starch. Even the fruits and sweet vegetables we eat today were bred by us to be high in sugar. The sweetest thing our ancestors would have had access to is honey. Which ancient peoples viewed as nectar of the gods or the food of paradise. So, kinda rare.

>>21591887
> a wild ketotard appears
shut up.

>>21591893
What part of my post do you take issue with?

>>21586886
non of the vegetables or fruits you are imagining were around 2k years ago, let alone 50k kek
Most of the breeds we consum werent even around 200 years ago, and most fruits are akshually chimeras from freak mutants that we keep grafting onto other stems

>>21591887
>For most of our history we did not have access to reliable sources of highly concentrated starch
we did, but nobody eats these plants anymore
pic rel

>>21591949
Why do you post hotdogs?

Also, you know what winter is, yes? People can do fine without dietary starch, because our bodies can run on fat instead.

>>21591887
>So, kinda rare.
That doesn't have anything to do with rarity. Hunter-gatherers today have been seen regularly eating large amounts of honey to the point where it's making up half their calorie intake or more at times.

Our bodies can run on fat because that's the most efficient form of storage. A gram of fat has 9 calories but a gram of sugar only has 4. Our muscles still prefer to store and use carbs for energy. There is clear proof that some people have evolved to better digest carbs like starch or lactose.

There is very little proof that keto is an ideal diet long-term and a lot of evidence that we benefit from carbs. Maybe not a massive amount of refined carbs on an overall shitty diet, but that doesn't mean cutting carbs down to 20g per day really has extreme benefits.

Apparently even groups of people like the Inuit aren't in ketosis despite their diet being mostly meat and fat. It doesn't seem like any group of people is naturally in ketosis for any long period of time.

>>21592031
>hotdogs
>mutt education

>>21586569 (OP)
>can
>can
>can
>suggests
>meta-analysis
>zero sources

>>21586569 (OP)
>dairy is the source of 80% of our oestrogens.
If that were true you'd call me ma'am by now

>>21590757
This is also how some faggot "figured out" that cholesterol is bad for you

>>21593082
Im pretty sure that they found it by checking the grease matter that clogged peoples arteries.

>>21591893
Ketosis, autophagy, and prolonged fasting are real miracles of the human body. It's a shame that the movement was gaining some traction and awareness then keto dirt boomer retards piled into the scene and ruined all of it with a stupid diet that gives you kidney stones

>>21593092
>a stupid diet that gives you kidney stones
what diet gives you kidney stones? Carnivore?

>>21593108
Keto, because of the uric acid loads from all the fruit and meat. High meat diet is fine, but eating that 24/7 like ketotards do is bad. That's separate from ketosis and having a healthy balanced diet