Thread 21663835

Thread for discussing coffee and coffee related topics.

Coffee cup edition
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If you're old and confused whats your favorite cup?

Previous: >>21651795

lol my coffee made the ching chang symbol

How long should I let my beans rest?
It's coming up on day 9 since roast date

>>21663835 (OP)
PISS
OUT
MY
ASS

>>21663885
usually takes about 9 months to fully develop

>>21663921
based south park reference

>>21663921
>PISS
>OUT
>MY
>ASS

>>21663967
thats a lot of piss

>>21652671
Let me know if you like it; they are 15 minutes from my place.

I feel like I overprepared for coffee roasting. Like the only thing I can't reliably do yet is a Norweigian Light Roast it's pretty shrimple if you follow the youtube tutorials and just use your eyes. Like, I'm gonna minmax with a thermocouple and artisan but already I'm making bretty gud cups at the roast level I set out to make them at.

>>21663885
What roast level are you making?

it's morning
you know what that means right?

>>21664352
what does that mean

>bought a grinder, dripper, kettle
I don't know what coffee I should get and from where

>>21664378
local roaster

>>21664378
All your local roasters probably suck.

>>21664459
gotta start somewhere

>>21663921
lek

>>21664468
If youre able to order a grinder, kettle and dripper you can probably order a bag or two as well.

I ended up making Tiramisu. It was good but I can't enjoy the bakery made stuff ever again.

>>21664378
S&W has samples; that's a good place to start.

>>21664378
straight to the expensive gesha

is this called a reverse capuccino?

>>21664284
>hubris

>>21665088
its called clean your fucking cup you disgusting animal

>>21665099
>he doesnt season his coffee cup

my zp6 will be here soon

>>21665177
1zpresso gud. The nice thing about them is that the ring burr is held in place by four grub screws that you can use to hyper align the burrs.

>>21664459
You live in a shithole and thats a good thing, its where shit belongs.

>>21665202
The roasters around me get the same greens I do about 9 months later. I roast it better. Or more to my taste really. You're just not going to find alot of Substance/Minmax/Picky Chemist/Gout and Co tier roasters locally.

>>21665191
>hyper align the burrs

finna

10:30pm yeasted ethiopian. Today was a good day :)

>>21665603
>yeasted ethiopian
Get that treated, Anon.

>>21664529
nice, nice

>>21665607
No.

>>21665593
got

Can someone explain what the fuck is even different about conical burr sets marketed for "espresso"? Are they actually cambered differently, or is it just marketing bullshit with how the stops are set?
>inb4 flat burr better

>>21665709
Intentionally more bimodal with a bigger % of fines. A "rounder", blendier profile with a higher emphasis on body from the extra fines. That rounding will mask some of the shit notes from the darker roasts the burrs are tailored for.
>they actually cambered differently
Fewer, more aggressive prebreakers and a smaller outfall(gap between inner and outer burr) forcing more breakage and fines. If the outfalls were bigger(like the ZP6) chunkier boulders can just fall out before getting completely blitzed into powder over a few more rotations.
>inb4 flat burr better
There are bimodal flats. Stock df54/64, eureka mignons, Weber Base etc etc. Running super unimodal filter flats on espresso is a relatively new thing.

>>21665709
just looking at a single burr makes it impossible to compare

so do local roasters actually let you buy green beans or would they get mad about you not wanting their product?

>>21665939
>so do local roasters actually let you buy green beans
no
and they dont because there is no money to be made doing it
they buy greens in bags bigger than they would be able to sell
so on the off chance that someone wants to buy greens from them they would have to repackage it and then add a markup because of the packaging and labor and + tax + tip
just buy straight from the distributor.
its cheaper and easier
if you are in US and want greens just buy from sweet maria's

>>21665955
but i don't want to wait for delivery. i want to have my green beans today. and no, i will not pay the jooz for same day shipping

>>21666005
you are a child
fuck off.

>>21666015
no i am based and redpilled

it's morning
you know what that means right

Does anyone have recommendations for places to buy green beans in Canada?

>>21666236
no

>>21666236
green coffee co

>>21666435
Their decaf variety is pretty lacking, but I've used them a few times. Pretty good when they have stock

I think I'll make some espresso today. wbu?

>>21667091
had a monster. waiting for my new grinder before I spin some beans up.

>>21666021
and coffeeless

>>21667091
my beans are still resting, so i've been making filtered coffee these past few days
i usually let them rest for 10 days before making espresso
i like them to feel comfy you know

>>21667091
maybe later

Are cold balls worth it? They look really, uh, cool but how much of a difference do they make?

>>21667347
placebo

>>21667347
If you're buying them to solve a problem with your espresso, thats not what they do. You're not going to run a shitty shot over one and lock in "better" flavor. If you've got a good setup and are able to dial in espresso well, they absolutely have a benefit.

>>21667347
Yes. Retards can't come up with putting the cup in the freezer.

>>21667408
>sub-freezing (non-borosilicate) glass
>near boiling espresso
>thermal shock
>glass shatters

>>21667408
retard

Anime gf but she only drinks Starbucks

>>21667502
sorry but my potential girlfriends MUST be into specialty coffee

>>21667505
specialty tea is also acceptable

Is verve /ctg/ certified?
My grocery store has it

>>21667760
>grocery store
they're ok, probably better than most things if you're limited to the grocery store
be sure to look for a roast date. your average grocery store is not selling high volumes of nice coffee, so that bag can sit around for ages

>>21667760
>grocery store

>>21667760
Verve's single origins are decent if they have them, problem with grocery store coffee is it's usually stale unless you luck out with a super recent roast date. You're probably better off with fresher coffee from a mid local roaster.

gonna

>>21668034
got

are there any mug patina enjoyers here?
after finishing a mug of instant coffee and leaving it over night, i sometimes find this small amount of white dust at the bottom of it.
under a magnification lens it kinda looks like little bits of parmesan cheese, and i'm thinking it might be bits of calcium from my kettle.
what do you guys think?

IT'S UP!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6n6yqaTKIIg

>>21668174
>slopup
i didnt think he could get more unlikable
yet
here we are.

it's morning
you know what that means right

>>21668200
please stop
this isnt healthy

Goddamn I love diner coffee. Do you ever add the maple syrup they always have on the tables?

>>21668230
>coffee
thats tea anon
great cup tho
i dont think ive been to a diner in... 20? years
not really a thing in australia
but from what i have seen of diners in american media i think it would be fun if they were a thing down here.

>>21668206
but you know what that means right

First cuppa of the week. I hate medium roast actually

>>21668377
thats not very nice anon

>>21668380
Why not. Honesty is key

>>21668274
knock it off julie

>>21668377
what's the brewing method, moka pot?

>>21668385
>no oil
its probably pour over/drip
or it could be paper filtered moka but idk i dont think so

>>21668385
v60 with the hario filters, 89c water, 15g coffee 245g water, 80 clicks on the k6

>>21667797
>>21668014
I see. Ty

Going to the dentist today, no coffee until tomorrow. I have a bad case of the Mondays. I hope all of you are having a good coffee to balance things out

>>21668469
Why no coffee? That makes no sense. You could have more pain today.

>>21668478
retard

wow... the zp6 really is that good.

>>21668945
Proofs?

>>21668955
I used it to make 2 cups and they're better than the last time I made them

>>21668174
>None of my opinions are suspect at all I'm just fishing for companies to partner with

>>21668174
I hate youtubers

Does anyone have the post about a starbucks coffee which was mostly syrup? I want to see how disgusting it was with the nutrition break down

Ever make a cup and you don't know what to change? Having that cup right now. Perfect.

>>21669011
How recent?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXrMd0I4ZQw

>>21669015
>do you ever make goffee?
yes
often in fact
made 2(TWO) yesterday

>local specialty coffee's la marzocco machine died (it was extremely old according to the barista)
>replacement is some generic brand of commercial machines
>espressos suddenly start tasting like shit
mmm very interesting

>>21669045
>mmm very interesting
the new machine doesnt have any patina
>local specialty coffee's la marzocco machine died (it was extremely old according to the barista)
nothing wrong with that
as long as its maintained
but even then if it died its probably an electrical problem which could be fixed pretty easily
shame you couldnt take it off their hands

>>21668174
some super elegant machine and you have to put water in it LIKE THAT??? with a fucking gooseneck? opening not big enough for just a cup or straight out of a gallon jug?
dude his hyping up his design so much and it's trash.

>>21668174
>that spurt all over the countertop

>>21669124
>hyping up his design
He's got nothing to do with it. Been the same since the 2021 kickstarter demo unit. Still yet to ship en masse. I believe they've only put out 100 so far?

>>21668961
Yeah, well... maybe your beans are more rested.

>>21669069
i think i'm convinced
la marzocco are extremely expensive but they're also top tier machines
any anon here owns one?

is b&w still good after they sold out?

>>21669124
there is no reservoir or boiler
how else do you add boiling water?

>>21669521
The issue is that you're limited to adding it through a gooseneck because of the tiny opening.
>but everyone has a goosenseck
okay... sure, but what if i wanted to use a regular kettle?

>>21669535
Then you're not the target market. Move on.

>>21669535
>BUT ANON IT NEEDS TO BE DESIGNED FOR ME!! EVERYTHING NEEDS TO BE DESIGNED FOR MEEEE!!!!
i hope nothing is ever designed for you and you have to feel this pain forever.

>>21668174
Who do I e-mail so I can tell them I specifically wrote their products off because of the Lance collab?

should I set my ratio before or after water gets soaked up?
usually use 360g of water and it ends up being like 330, so I tried 390g instead and got about 360 out of it.

hopefully i dream of coffee tonight
can't wait until morning to have my cuppa

>>21669714
>morning
you know what that means right?

what do you think about frothing milk using the french press method where you pump the thing like a sperg?

>>21669785
its retard bait

>>21669786
damn i got baited

>>21669678
before

>>21669785
I did it once. It works but it's annoying to clean all the milk out of the French press. I got an electric frother instead.

>>21669898
>annoying to clean all the milk out of the French press
can't you just fill it with soap and water and froth the soap

>>21669925
Yeah. That's annoying.

>>21669925
electric frothers take 2 seconds under the tap

>>21669213
my ex does
its rad but unfortunately lives mostly neglected in the garage

it's morning
you know what that means right

Palworld coffee

>>21670148
you should have taken it in the divorce

>>21664284
Are you the guy I replied to in the last thread who got an SR800? If so and you are following everything I said I can see why would think that. It certainly is pretty easy to get a decent roast. You can easily roast as good as most roasters with a little practice especially if you aren't super particular and trying to really dial things in. If you want to step it up and really push your greens to get the best out of them that's when things can get a bit more challenging.
You will also probably run into some greens that make you think everything before this has been a fluke. They all have to be treated a little differently and you'll be glad you've been logging your roasts and using Artisan when you start running into challenging greens. You may have started with some easier greens.
If you haven't already ordered your thermocouple ignore my previous recommendation as the BounceBuster has just released. You can find it on Etsy. Its now the best option out there for the FreshRoast roasters for Artisan integration.

I am a believer of using boiling water for light roast pourover coffee.

>that one anon who JUST bought a k6
lol

>>21670407
Anything new with the burr?

>>21670407
Might be time to upgrade from my k6 then

>>21670460
i have no idea

>>21670460
Allegedy zp6. Certainly not k6.

>Kingrinder K7

>K6から約5年、1ZpressoのZP6みたいなドリップが主の人向けの新製品
>(刃の形も類似、エスプレッソも可と記載有り)

>分解もしやすくなったみたいで、粉受けの
>り付け方法も変更

>価格は中国で約12000円

>Kingrinder K7

>About 5 years after the K6, a new product for those who mainly use drip coffee, like the 1Zpresso ZP6.
>(The blade shape is similar, and it says it can also be used for espresso.)

>It seems to be easier to disassemble, and the method of attaching the dust collector has also been changed.

>The price is about 12,000 yen in China.


(x kafei_mi status 1979885162084331677)

>>21670512
>>The price is about 12,000 yen in China.
$80usd
but the sentence is also weird
its 12000 yen in japan
but if it was sold in china it would be 563 yuan

>>21666236
Post instore prices and there will be an end to the horror, leaf.

this is fantastic actually

>>21670512
I hope they made the arm attach more firmly.

Or is it an issue only for me withtm the otherwise great K6?

the cup of'. pumpkin spice added

>>21670295
not that kind of ex and it was her fathers so i doubt i couldve gotten it anyway
>>21670342
wow what a spicy take
>>21670512
neat
>>21670741
mmm i bet

couldn't pay me to use a chink grinder

>>21671008
because of the fact that you're gay?

>just found out that i am supposed to wash my filters
but i never noticed any taste coming from them

>>21671196
>she doesn't use disposable filters
enjoy your cancer lol

>>21671196
only supposed to wash them if they're dusty
don't worry

>>21670715
There's no green beans in my local stores to post prices for.

>>21671241
Ask.
They got 'em in the back.

>>21671212
i was obviously talking about disposable filters

>>21671297
oh so you weren't talking about those shitty espresso filters
yes, for filtered coffee you typically get the filter wet first to heat up the server and to remove the papery taste from the filter

>>21671323
well i don't notice any paper taste so maybe i have some good paper

>>21671340
or maybe you simply can't tell
maybe you've been drinking papery coffee this whole time... and maybe you've enjoyed it...
dreadful isn't it

>>21671344
i used the same beans to try a bunch of different brew methods, some of which do not involve those filters. i never noticed an additional flavor arise from including the paper filters

CRABBING IN MY SKIN.
THE STOCK IT WILL NOT FALL!!!

oops this was not /biz/

so basically the worst beans are dark roasted since it hides all the imperfections?

>>21671445
I've had some incredible dark roasts.
The worst beans are pre-ground walmart slop

>>21671448
but the average quality goes up the lighter the roast

>>21671450
you're deluding yourself if you think the quality of the bean is determined by it's roast profile.

grower > brewing > bean variety > processing / roast profile

>>21671458
why would a brand sell a worse tasting medium roast when they can burn it to make it acceptable by most people?

>>21671424
based /smg/ and /ctg/ poster

The acidity and fruity flavor of light roast coffee seem more difficult to control than the bitterness.

>>21663835 (OP)
Are you guys as snobby over flavor coffee as reddit?

>>21671424
thats ok :)

>>21671458
>brewing
actually its grind then brewing(unless you are combining them for the sake of brevity)
>>21671478
"brands" sell commodity grade slop and they burn it because its more profitable

>>21671544
>flavor coffee
the fuck does that mean?
>as reddit
how would you know what reddit thinks anon?

>>21671577
>how would you know what reddit thinks anon?
I browse 4chan.

>>21671544
flavored coffee is for boomers and women. now if you mean the “flavor of coffee” yes that’s important because it lets me know if the coffee was brewed properly e.g. a burnt taste

>>21671588
>88
Fuckkkkk.. bros its over.

>>21671600
Found the redditor

>>21671323
That "papery taste" is dust, you crusty buffoon.

>>21671544
wtf is flavor coffee?

>>21671569
>actually its grind then brewing(unless you are combining them for the sake of brevity)
I am including the entire process. so how you grind, pour, espresso, moka, etc.

>>21671698
coffee with flavor

>>21671700
ok :)

>>21671340
you won't notice it if you're using bleached paper filters
the brown filters have a much more noticeable papery taste

it's morning
you know what that means right

>>21672058
it means i go to bed

Already had my goffer, it was nice and thick and very corpulent, goffer is good

Got cheated on again but l have coffee for the morning so I'll be ok

>>21672153
Cuckold lol

>>21672164
don't be rude

>>21672174
drink up anon

>>21672185
Tea mug if I've ever seen one

I've been buying whatever decent looking whole beans Costco has on sale and using a blade grinder and drip coffee maker for about 10 years. It (was) a decent step up from supermarket crap, but since coffee prices spiked this year, the selection at Costco went down considerably and even whole bean blends that were "passable" before like major Dickinson's, taste like fucking ass now.

It's about $25/lb for any local roasted single origin, so...Ive decided to start roasting my own.

I'm ordering a poppo from sweet Maria's today. I've been reading up it and I have a killawat and plenty of extension cords so I'm hopeful I can make some decent beans soon. My favorite beans in the past have medium roasted Sumatrans, blue mountain (probably not gonna buy that RN lol) and good mocha Java, but Ive also enjoyed some fruity African stuff as well.

Since idk what 4 bags of greens come in my sweet Maria's sampler, does anyone have suggestions for another green available at Sweet Maria's rn that should be easier to roast to medium in a poppo that have a darker, more chocolatey profile?

big coffee today :0

>>21672282
a megapint?

>>21672282
congratulations anon
any details about your cup?

>>21672340
Very good, and big!

>>21670407
Wtf I just bought a k6
Haven't used it yet. Should I just return it?

>>21672477
completely different grind profile. K7 will be comparable to ZP6. I say keep the K6 and get the K7 if you want more clarity at some point.

>>21672477
>>21672495
>just buy both goy
lol

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXbRsDr8sj4
is he drunk?
i think he might have a bit of a substance problem.

>>21672503
Buy the K7 if you *want* it. Otherwise, the K6 is the more versatile grinder.

>>21672507
are you just figuring this out?

>>21672495
what the fuck is grind profile
is there a chart or something

>>21672511
i always assumed he was a kooky boomer doing the "well we didnt have these fancy gizmos back in my day and we managed just fine so anything NEW must be a waste of money"
but this video sounds like he was drunk reading comments and got so flustered he spontaneously recorded and uploaded a video to "prove" himself right.
he has made videos in the past calling out commenters but he was never CLEARLY drunk in those videos.

>>21672517
if you don't know, you wouldn't care. Stick to the K6 and consider upgrading only when you have more coffee experience.

>>21672520
i care, now show me the chart

>>21672523
no

>>21672517
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2tIZ_xBnKw
there are lots of types of charts
this is just one interpretation of some types of data
search terms sort of like "particle size distribution burr comparison" will get variety of different images.
i feel like hoffmann had a video that went over some data whatever stuff but i dont remember which one.

>>21672495
Well it's not a zp6 burr.
>>21672507
No hes actually a pseud moron.

>>21672621
no i mean his voice
the content of the video is irrelevant

>>21672621
>comparable
it's kingrinder's answer to the zp6

>>21672623
Hes slurring trying to say the lack of friction means he cant tamp wrong.
>>21672630
According to redditors. Its a different fucking burr. Look at it. 7 prebreakers, not 6.

>>21672638
>friction
hes the epitome of "well it works for me so it works for everyone"

>>21672651
>my espresso tastes like shit no matter what I do
>better start a youtube channel so i can help others make shitty espresso too

>>21672246
most lower-altitude coffees can achieve a chocolatey profile if you roast them dark enough
so just check out their indonesian stock and pick something that appeals to you, id recommend getting more of one bean than smaller amounts of a couple so you can really get a hang of it
i have enjoyed their sumatran dry from kerinci coop in the past so i can recommend that
welcome to the club fren (:

>>21670407
Just bought a zp6

>>21672659
the problem is i cant taste what hes brewing
i pulled a shot this morning that looked like the one he pulled in the video and mine tasted shit
another lolcow hoonscoffee says he doesnt actually drink any of the coffee he makes for his shorts
the shots look great but taste shit, he just pulls them that way for views.

wiredgourmet just tries to tie everything to his theory that ONLY headspace matters, as long as you have the correct headspace and grind size everything else is irrelevant
hes basically bizzaro world lance

kinda wanna buy a k7
my k6 is looking rough these days
but i need to buy new shoes first

>>21672692
Stop watching him. He's pulling very soluable roasts at 9 bar through B tier baskets. Its the kind of guy who spent the last 15 years arguing on homebarista, being entirely wrong, while everyone else around him learned and got better.
>hoonscoffee says he doesnt actually drink any of the coffee he makes for his shorts
You mean he's not putting on black gloves every time he makes an engagement bait short? Maybe TWG is the right channel for you after all.

>>21672666
Thanks brother! I found mention of a green bean seller that's hated by reddit so I had to check him out...His prices are great and he has roasting notes for everything; he even mentions if beans are suitable for air roasting/hard to fuck up. I've got a couple Sumatrans, yemen mokka, some Ugandan stuff? and tirazzu coming from him now in 1lb bags. Whatever sweet Maria's sends me will just be a happy bonus.

>>21672726
>You mean he's not putting on black gloves every time he makes an engagement bait short?
>You mean he's not putting on black gloves every time he makes coffee, just for the engagement bait shorts?
FTFM :)

>>21672726
>stop watching lolcows
mmmm no
im not watching them and being like "hmmm yes fascinating, i should copy this technique...."

>>21672728
>I found mention of a green bean seller that's hated by reddit
Who? Happymug?
enjoy

>>21672694
>my k6 is looking rough these days
fuck'd you do to it

>>21672777
it fell on the floor a couple times because fool that i am i placed it on its side and it rolled off my unlevel counters
the edge around the burr is dented so i cant screw the catch cup on entirely
thats it really, besides the grip coming loose

>>21672784
>my unlevel counters
Did you intentionally get the counters uneven for laughs?

>>21672784
>besides the grip coming loose
buy some tennis overgrips

>>21672802
no but i will next time
>>21672807
i thought bike tape was the repair meta
its not really a big issue for me so i havent bothered
also gotDAMN i love me some yemeni goff

>>21671147
mad brownie

>light roast
mm i love sour water

>>21672858
skill issue
(taste is a skill btw)

>>21672858
I'm going to rip some ultralight espresso just for you.

>>21672858
If you do it right it's like a tea.

>>21672638
what don't you get about
>comparable
I never said it was meant to be a clone.

>>21673062
Maybe drink tea?

after grinding and french press can I just stick the whole press in the fridge to make cold brew or should I just pour it out into a jar?

>>21673161
yes and also yes
cold brew is difficult to fuck up

>>21673165
arigathanks gozaimuch

bad news. i was microwaving some sugar in the cup and it cracked. is it going to break if i keep drinking coffee with it?

>>21673316
why were you microwaving sugar?

>>21673316
>/ctg/ - Glass Shards Drinkers

>>21673321
i wanted a caramel latte without making a bigger batch on the stove

>>21663835 (OP)
Tried pumpkin spice dunkin donut k cups.. its.. uh.. mid?

What happened to our girl? Why'd she fall off?

>>21673505
covid is over
but actually she just gets way more views on her other platforms
her youtube just seems like a hosting service for her long form videos that she can use for sponsorships

>>21673487
I dont get the hype :/

>>21673062
Coffee is technically tea, you're just soaking some plant in hot water.

>>21673523
basic taste for basic people
also its seasonal
even mid seasonal foods get hyped up beyond what they deserve.

>>21673536
>tea
actually its an infusion

>>21673555
it's a tisane

>>21673681
it isnt thoughbeit
tisane is herbal tea, and coffee beans(seeds) are not considered herbs

>>21673681
*tincture

>>21673745
Actually, tisane is grain (seed) tea, my misinformed friend. More accurately, a grain infusion since tea can only refer to infusions made from the leaves of the tea plant.

>>21673771
you are wrong
sorry.

I am really enjoying this Lance Hedrick's Aeropress recipe for old Coffee:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jz9fH5ODVFU

I got my hands on some almost 3 years old Rwanda and I am making some tasty fruity cuppas. It's using a lot of coffee, but who cares, it's old anyway.

if the coffee flavor is just a bunch of maillard products, then why haven't people replicated the flavor of it using other plants? or even the basic sugar and protein combinations and browning that?

>>21674052
>if the coffee flavor is just a bunch of maillard products
is it?

>>21674078
yes. that is what changes it from vegetable flavor. same reason why black garlic is far different from raw garlic

>>21674085
can you prove that?

>>21674107
this is illegible for a layman(me)

>>21674123
find a nice video on the chemistry of coffee roasting

>>21672763
Yes, happy mug. Dude is like a dollar or 2 per lb cheaper than most other places I've seen. He's also a couple hours away from me so I expect the shipping will be quick.

>>21674130
just say you cant provide proof and your claim is bunk and move on.
put the concession in the bag lil bro.

>>21674143
yes this device is fake because i can't understand the schematic for it

>>21674143
you are unironically retarded

>>21674161
>a schematic is the ONLY way to prove something exists
you are actually a fucking retard.
no wonder you are incapable of proving your claim.
>>21674167
you cant prove it either
if you write your PHD thesis in a language you made up its going to be thrown out and what you say you discovered is going to be ignored because you cant share your proof.
are you actually trying to argue that proof doesnt need to be communicated to be accepted as true?
>2 + 2 = 4
>>proof?
>*motions at an empty blackboard*
>SEE ITS RIGHT THERE RETARD
sorry but thats just not how it works.

>>21674191
do you believe that 2 + 2 = 4? if so, what is your proof?

>>21671698
He means Starbucks and Dunkin Donuts style drinks that are 90% milk and flavoring and have a small amount of coffee syrup in them.

>>21674191
You've already shown you're retarded, no need to keep proving it.

>>21674198
i believe it because i was taught it
and when i was taught it i was shown proof you total fucking buffoon
>here is 1 of a thing
>here is another of that thing
>how many things are there
>>2?
>yes
>here is 2 things and next to that are 2 more things
>correct?
>>yes?
>correct
>these 2 things and these 2 things are now in a group
>how many things in this group?
>>1..2...uhmmmm 4?
>correct!
like that
i understand the foundation and you are showing more things that i know and building on top of that so the conclusion makes sense.
showing me something i dont understand and saying its true and then flipping out when told i dont understand and to be given a simpler example of proof in a form i understand is insane and shows that you are either incapable of proving it or you yourself dont understand it and are just parroting information and believe i should believe it implicitly because you believed it implicitly.

y'know if i was told 2+2=4 but i wasnt shown proof and i just believed it and then i tried to tell someone else that 2+2=4 and they asked for proof and i was incapable of providing some i would probably have a melty just like you did too.

im sorry that you never learned anything and have no concept of teaching.
>>21674218
see above.

>>21674233
so 284+927 is unproven until you add up 1211 sticks?

>>21674134
Get the Yemen Mokka from them and take it to city+ or full city. If you like medium roast with chocolate notes you will love this. Even at city/city+ this coffee is very chocolatey and has some amazing grain notes. Its kind of like a Kinder Country.

If you haven't bought already and can swing it I would recommend just picking up a refurb SR800. At least get the Popper or build a HGBM. You can do that really cheaply. Roasters like the Poppo are just kind of frustrating and if you do decide to stick with it you will be wanting to upgrade very quickly.

Either way I would definitely recommend when you do buy more greens to buy a big bag rather than samples. When you are first learning how to roast you will be done with a sample bag before you get it figured out and then you're starting over again with a new coffee.

>>21674240
all you got is to argue in bad faith?
sad but not unexpected.

>>21674249
fine if you want to be pedantic about it, i do not have any proof for YOU because you do not have the prerequisite knowledge for organic chemistry. nor am i going to sit down with you and spend many hours giving you sensory demonstrations that would give you a foundation to base your assumptions on. that being said, it is proof to someone else in this thread

>>21674260
>i do not have any proof for YOU because you do not have the prerequisite knowledge for organic chemistry. nor am i going to sit down with you and spend many hours giving you sensory demonstrations that would give you a foundation to base your assumptions on
so why did you offer it?
and is that the ONLY way to know that "coffee flavor is just a bunch of maillard products"
there isnt a youtube video talking about it?
there isnt anyone who has made some form of layman focused content that goes over this supposed fact?
i just feel that if it was as true as you claim it is the information would be more accessible than "look at this chemistry diagram"
like if you said "caffeine is water soluble" and i asked for proof it would be very easy to find proof that a layman can understand OR if you understand it to be true and understand why its true it should be trivial to teach it using common language and basic principles that a layman would have experienced.

>>21674241
Thanks and you're probably right about the volume. 1lb only gives me 4 batches to try. I already ordered the beans, but yemen mokka is one of the bags I have coming. I've been reading up on roasting and I realize the limited abilities a popcorn maker has. I'm sure I'll be upgrading soon enough but...gotta start somewhere.

I'm a fairly handy guy and I'm interested in possibly building something myself with a heat gun or finding a cheaper quest M6/similar manual drum roaster that I can use with a propane camp stove or homemade hog burner. I'm not too concerned with all the programmable stuff.

Ironically, I had a job for a few years maintaining commercial combustion equipment/programming plcs, etc...which is probably why I'm more interested in just doing it manually. Why fuck with all that shit when it seems like such a simple skill? (At least in premise).

>>21674270
>i just feel that if it was as true as you claim it is the information would be more accessible than "look at this chemistry diagram"
indeed it is, as i suggested for you to find a video that can explain it in whatever terms you need to hear

>>21674281
no no
i asked YOU for proof
saying "sure sure, its out there somewhere, go find it yourself" isnt proof
YOU are the one claiming it to be true and im asking YOU to prove it
so YOU need to provide proof
saying "it exists but i refuse to provide it" as an admission that you cant prove it.
it could very well be true. but if you cant prove it then dont state it to be true.

>>21674293
He handed you the proof, but since you didn’t grasp it, you’re shopping around for a version that makes more sense to you.

>>21674293
provide me your axioms before requesting proof, otherwise you waste both of our times

>>21674313
>if you write your PHD thesis in a language you made up its going to be thrown out
>>21674314
i dont understand your request could you simplify it?

>>21674320
>i dont understand your request could you simplify it?
mub da mo bidda te dat tum muhfugen bix nood cof bin dub ho muhfugga

Does anybody know if weather is fucked for coffee harvest again? Will the prices keep going up?

>>21673810
May I ask how?

>>21673487
>>21673523
someone should pumpkin co-ferment a bean

>>21674208
No, he doesn't.

>>21674343
prices will keep going up because the value of money will continue to go down

how do i de-static my beans if i don't have a spray bottle? can i dunk them in water quickly and then wipe them dry?

>>21674425
>wet a stick or the handle of a spoon
>stir beans with wet stick
>grind
wa la

>>21674425
wet a tea spoon
make sure its wet but not dripping
stir the beans
you have now completed RDT(the D stands for droplet, as long as you can distribute about a droplet or 2 of water amongst the beans it counts)

>>21674430
>NOT dripping
>merely distributing droplets
-_-

>>21674434
there is 1 droplets worth of water distributed over the surface of the spoon
fucking retard

>>21674429
>>21674430
thanks this seems practical

got a giftcard for the popular hipster coffee shop/roaster in town and bought some beans for my french press but the grounds don't bloom and they all sink to the bottom. the bag says they were roasted within the last week and they're on the lighter. I'm not expert and they don't taste *bad* but what does this mean, they sat on the beans too long before roasting and they lost all their gas? does that affect flavor? it's the oils, roast and brew that *matters* right?

>>21674517
the gas is caused by the roasting process, so they couldn't have sat on unroasted beans. they either vacuum sucked all the gas out or they lied about something

>>21674541
also lighter roasts would have less gas but i don't have experience with those

my coffee cup cracked more when i was microwaving my coffee and started leaking so i had to throw it away

>>21673161
If you mean putting the grounds in cold water in the French press carafe and letting in brew overnight in the Fridge, then yes, and that's how I do it.

If you mean brewing in hot water in a French press then cooling it in the fridge, then no. Hot water extracts differently than cold water does.

>>21674545
>lighter roasts would have less gas
thought it was the opposite?

>>21674908
the co2 comes from carboxyl groups breaking off acid molecules due to high heat

I never really see anyone online do a long bloom 2 pour recipe, but I am quite satisfied with my x3 weight 1:45 bloom and then pour to finish.

too coarse?

>>21675004
Does it taste good?

>>21675042
like coffee

>rdt
enjoy your rust lol

>>21674405
perc did
didnt try it

>>21675133
Rtd

>>21675004
>didn't rinse filter
It's over

>>21675264
meme

>>21675042
It didn't taste bad, it was mid. Might be the water, could be the bean

am i the only one that keeps using the same grounds until the color becomes too weak?

>>21675285
of course its a meme retard
that doesnt mean it lacks merit
those filters look like they would probably impart a flavor but the guy who posted it is the only one who can say for sure
>>21675347
god i hope so

>>21674273
Its mostly that you need to wait between batches, the batch size is small, reproducibility is difficult, and you have no control over heat level or air flow. Its okay but it does make a lot of people either say fuck this and give up or upgrade right away.

What I would recommend is start checking thrift stores and local online marketplaces and looking for bread machines now. You can usually find them very cheap but it might take a minute to actually find one. Then you just need a cheap heat gun from Harbor Freight or somewhere and I'm sure you'd have everything else to finish it. There are lots of ways to go it just look up corretto roaster or HGBM roasters.

Whats nice about the HGBM is the bread machine does the stirring for you so you just need a heat gun and a stand. The other alternative is to get a whirley pop, put a hole in the top for a heat gun and then hook up a cheap drill to the handle.

The plus side on both of those is it will give you the biggest batch size by far unless you are spending 1000s on a roaster.

>>21675449
Damn, lotta info searching coretto roasters. Thanks fren. That looks like the way to go. I just have to hit the thrift stores this weekend and dig out some thermocouple wire.

it's morning
you know what that means right

Had to use boiling water today because of a boil order at work and the results were worse what can I say

>>21676275
>boil order
lol

>>21676325
What's so funny

third wave water fucking sucks. my local spring water is better

>>21676351
third world water

>>21676361
>water pipes never break in my mild weather paradise
It was -4c yesterday sometimes the pipes can't handle flash freezing like that

>>21676367
>water pipes not underground
lol

>>21676376
Yes? Do you know anything about infrastructure or are you just shitposting

>>21676378
>Yes
>pipes burst at mere -4c
>pretends to know infrastructure
lol

>>21676382
Yes

>>21676386
funny thirdie

I do not like most of the meme roasters.

>>21676356
Are you using it full strength like a tardo?

you ever have a cup so good that 10 minutes later the aftertaste hits you at the same time as the caffeine and you just eeuuggghhh ohhh yeaaahhhh

>>21676469
1/3 and it's still worse than what I usually use.

>>21676494
For sure.

>>21676499
Sounds like a skill issue then.

>>21676505
it's not, I just think my local water is better.

>>21676516
So get your water report and compare?

>>21676494
literally me every morning no cap fr fr bet ohio gyatt on god bussin rizz lowkey sus

>>21676521
I'll just try again with different ratio.

New

>>21676592

>>21676592

>>21676592