Thread 21671375

Why are manosphere grifters suddenly obsessed with seed oils? What will they freak out about next year?

who gives a fuck

>>21671375 (OP)
>manosphere

>>21671375 (OP)
It started with communist quack Ray Peat, and there is likely foreign money behind it that wants to sow distrust in society,

>>21671375 (OP)
>What will they freak out about next year?
whatever ongoing hysteria will get them the most amount of clicks, cash or supplement sales

WHOLE LOTTA BUNCH OF BETA KEK NERDS IN HERE!

>>21671375 (OP)
I've never seen such a soulless zogcattle stare in my life

>>21671375 (OP)
men have more fad diets than women.

>>21671454
FtMs?

>>21671375 (OP)
idk man maybe because China uses the most seed oils and has one of the highest heart disease and cancer rates in the world

>>21671464
They also smoke several packs of cheap cigs a day

>>21671464
I try to be conservatove with seed oil use myself. But there's no denying the nutjobs who make it their personality to publicly denounce seed oil at every opportunity, vehemently rid their pantry of anything that might have any such oils in it, hold and cover their children's eyes while walking through a shopping aisle where seed oil might suddenly leap out of the bottle to molest them. Anyone who used any amount of the stuff is considered poisoned, but if they too hop on the denunciation bandwagon, they will be free.
I swear, diet culture is fraught with more maniacs than religion or politics.

>>21671375 (OP)
because theyre unhealthy and taste bad

>>21671402
Bingo

Because the soybean lobby started to panic when soy hate went mainstream and they funded a massive counter propaganda campaign

this thread is chite, just wanted to let you faggots know... kthxbye!

>>21672408
Big Soy needs to be placed in check.

>>21671391
>>manosphere
you know what it means you sly fox. Its another word for douchy clout chaser sbitposter.

>>21671375 (OP)
Cause grifters need something to attack, sometimes a fake problem to "solve", in order to sell their product. Same as how people were fighting against same sex marriage, same as how immigration issues is still a thing. Clovers add nitrogen to the soil and are good with grass, but now we got a product that kills clovers and weeds so now clovers are bad. You got back pain? Muscle soreness? Buy my snake oil to fix it all up. You want the government to do you tax returns? Nah, how about we lobby to prevent this and sell a product that helps people do their taxes.

Last I checked it was palm oil, is that healthy again?

>>21671375 (OP)
I'm lowkey happy that they're pushing saturated fats. Within a few years they won't be able to make videos anymore

>>21671375 (OP)
>get a gf with this one simple trick

>>21672463
Immigration is an issue, retard.

>>21672534
french fries arent immigrants

>>21672464
no its cheap as fuck and third worlders ruin their ecosystems by burning them down and replacing everything with palm trees

>Manosphere
lol

>>21671375 (OP)
>>21671402 (me)
I just watched the video and honestly I can't blame these people for making a profit off this craze. The title and thumbnail are cancer and untrue but the video itself was pretty straightforward and not obscene. It's just a tour of a kitchen that refuses to use seed oil and limits the amount of plastics they use. I don't think the people making these videos actually believe french fries deep fried in oil are actually "the healthiest thing in California." I think I'm more disgusted by their stupid fat American fans with fake roman statue profile pictures that will believe anything the internet tells them.

>>21672395
It's extremely easy to not have seed oil in your house without thinking about it though. If you're someone that buys whole foods and ingredients, and cooks all your own foods (and avoids hyper processed slop foods) then you'll never encounter seed oil in your house.
I think the people who buy into the seed oil hysteria are too lazy/stupid to make their own food. If you're cooking your own food, it's easy to switch one oil out for another. The only person I can imagine getting mad at seed oil is someone who is too fat/stupid to eat anything other than french fries, poptarts and other slop, and wants a boogeyman (seed oil in this case) to blame for being stupid and fat. I think these people would still be stupid and fat even if all the sneed oil got switched out for beef tallow. And it's not a coincidence how you never see the people posting videos like this >>21671375 (OP) actually eat the french fries on camera.

>>21671375 (OP)
because seed oils are shit tier goyslop that corpos stuff into everything. Hell even the other oils they sell are cut with this garbage. Alpha male bloggers are retards but they got this right. Use animal fat, olive oil, or avocado oil. If you use ultra refined seed oil in cooking just cut out the middleman serving yourself garbage and just go to mcdonalds

>>21671375 (OP)
>Why are manosphere grifters suddenly obsessed with seed oils?
You can asked the same question about your obsession with people obsessed with seed soils.
It's likely because you are all horrible people.

>>21671375 (OP)
it'll be the "saturated fats are actually GOOD for you" horseshit, followed closely by "nutrition labels are SOCIALIST" or something

>>21671375 (OP)
>healthiest restaurant in California
>serves fries

No way that’s the healthiest place in the hippy capitol of the world. I only point this out to underscore how disingenuous everything else about it feels.

>>21672618
>being obsessed with one's own health is LE BAD!!

Do Americans really believe fries are healthy?

>>21672684
>one's own health
I don't consume seed oils, I have no desire to make a clickbait cancer video for the youtubes.

I watched Internet Shaquille make a retarded video about seed oils and not bringing up any of the real reasons people avoid them, like inflammation and what the fuck ever. OP is the same brand of retarded manlet, go and actually look up what polyunsaturated fats do to your body and not just what tiktok tells you to think

>>21672691
Yes french fries are a health food here
-American

>>21672691
Since when are vegetables unhealthy?

I remember like 10 years ago I read a post on /fit/ about some study showing that sneed oils (and plastic containers) had high levels of xenooestrogen and should be avoided because they would kill your gainz and make your dick smaller. now a decade later opposition to sneed oil is a lot more mainstream, but no one mentions that study or anything else anymore and just says they're bad because they're "highly processed" or some nebulous shit.

>>21671464
It isn't.

>>21672691
Tallow fries are okay because clogged arteries are less scary than growing boobs

>>21671396
>foreign money behind it that wants to sow distrust in society
99% of the internet is this now
they push commie propaganda to the lefties and MAGA shit to the righties.
they want USA to have a civil war and its working cause retards eat up the propaganda like it's mcdonalds slop

Julia Child was in the manosphere?

>someone says "manosphere"
>half of /ck/ has a meltie
Damm I thought this was a woman board

>>21671375 (OP)
>janny-approved e-celeb thread

And these retards wonder why this site is in decline. I want 4chan not youtbe or twitter or tiktok.

>>21673090
Nah, just full of whiny right wing snowflakes who cry more insufferably than any retarded feminist when someone says anything even slightly negative about one of their mancrushes in their hugbox. Don't make fun of them too much or they'll take out their anger on a bunch of defenseless kids stuck in a school.

>>21673099
I don't get it, they won, they got everything they wanted. What are they still mad about?

>>21673026
Are you just finding out now that normies have never cared about the fine details? You could buzzwords current trending thing ragebait them into believing anything.

>>21673090
>Said the dude that rages about seed oils not being wanted

>>21673090
Every board is a /pol/ board. /v/ is about the politics of videogame developers and whatever tranny/black character we're pretending to be mad at today. /tv/ is about the politics of directors and whichever asexual gender fluid actress we're seething over today. Apply this to every board.

>>21673103
You could ask the same question about all the billionaires people like them used to pretend to hate but are now all on their side.
What does it profit a man to gain the whole world at the cost of his own soul? Apparently, you profit by becoming the whiniest baby known to mankind who can't be happy about anything so long as you know any individual member of whatever group you've decided to obsess upon is still walking the earth.
It's never enough because these people are greedy and spiteful. There's really only one way of dealing with people like that.

>>21673103
Because it's been crumbling ever since tariffs + protecting the Epstein files. I show up for local protests for fun and there are have been 0 MAGA guys heckling/running defense since Trump told people to stop talking about Epstein.

>>21673099
>snowflakes

This does not mean "pussy" you dumb fucking facebook immigrant. You did not even have internet access 10 years ago you third world imbecile.

>>21673105
I still haven't been able to find an explanation for what made trans fats so bad they had to be banned. all I could find was articles saying that they were found to cause heart disease, but compared to what? was a twinkie made out of partially hydrogenated oil worse than one made out of butter or was it just compared to not eating a twinkie at all? how exactly does the different molecule shape make it so much less healthy?

>>21672691
When I was a kid there was a product called Snackwells that convinced women cookies were good for you because they were fat free. Now hucksters are telling men they'll live forever if they eat only the right fats.

>>21672691
Part of the grift. It's like saying the healthiest weed ever, or the healthiest gasoline based on car fumes ever, as most people consume these things for health benefits. Dude has 10s of thousands believing his bs

>>21672741
Since after you deep fry them

>>21671375 (OP)
>Why are manosphere grifters suddenly obsessed with seed oils?
because 4chan was obsessed with seed oils 10 years ago, and mainstream grifter retards are always incredibly late to the party

>>21673163
what was 4chan obsessed with 9 years ago? how do i get a head start on the next one?

>>21673133
Nta, guy, not even just heart disease, but literally death. When you got something that with one estimate was killing more than double the yearly car deaths, it should be a huge concern. Trans fats have zero usage to the body, there is literally no positive to having it, and there existed alternatives to hydrogenated and trans fat creating products. It's a no brainer. You can't ban salt or sugar for these reasons since they don't exist.

>>21673133
>was a twinkie made out of partially hydrogenated oil worse than one made out of butter
Yes. We can't really digest and absorb the type of fat from hydrogenation and it causes inflammation and clogged arteries. It's just like artificial sweeteners giving people diarrhea because it just passes through without breaking down properly. Anything in your bloodstream that wasn't digested properly can make you sick.

>Maltitol is a disaccharide produced by hydrogenation of maltose obtained from starch.
I didn't even know some artificial sweeteners were made with hydrogenation too lmao

>>21673177
but what is the actual mechanic of it being bad for you? why does the molecule being bent in the middle make it so much worse?

>>21671375 (OP)
Because they need to make content for a living

>>21673086
She was, indeed, a man.

>>21671375 (OP)
Seed oils cause cancer and autism

>>21671457
Flavour to Meals?

>>21671464
60% of their seed oil is the gutter oil variant so idk if those stats can be used as a comparable for the rest of the world.

>>21672615
Being cheap alone doesn't mean anything. What is your actual qualatative problem with them?

>>21673141
wow its almost like we have free and instant access to medical science now and we dont have to rely on jewish marketers to tell us whats healthy

>>21672615
>Use animal fat,
butter is fine but i hate the way tallow and lard taste and they upset my stomach sometimes. i think the health claims about them might be a little questionable.

>>21671375 (OP)
caring about eating healthy food and cleaning your ass was seen as womanly so if you can find a way to make it palatable to them you can turn a profit

>>21673934
Ok use Israel as an example you stupid fuck, they use seed oils. Now compare it with France who cook with butter. Now go suck on cock you turbo faggot

>>21673985
>Studies on adult nutrition indicate that ultra-processed foods make up a significantly higher percentage of daily caloric intake in Israel than in France
butter vs seed oil could be part of it, most seed oils are technically ultra processed, although it's probably more of an overall trend rather than just that

>>21671375 (OP)
bruh the sneed oil hysteria is like 10 years old, raw milk and raw honey obsession is the new thing

>>21673982
>99% water and plant based ingredients
so what are the 1%?

>>21674163
My semen.
Not proud of it, but I think you deserve to know the truth.

>>21673113
>/tv/ is about the politics of directors
hotheads

>>21672691
FUCK YA
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketchup_as_a_vegetable

>>21671375 (OP)
Why do you sound like such a flaming faggot?

>>21673113
Last I checked /tv/ was the board where they count down how many days it will be until the latest 11 year old girl actor is legal to fuck in tennessee, has it changed?

>>21673127
lol none of that is even a little bit true, but you're pretty triggered so I guess I'll leave it here so you don't get upset and shoot up a school or something.

>>21671375 (OP)
>What will they freak out about next year?
Whatever gets traction.

>>21674247
Opposite, they’re into big guys now

seed oils aren't inherently unhealthy, it's when your ratio of omega 6 to 3 fats in your body get messed that it causes problems, seed oils are higher in omega 6s and also used in most foods, which results in people overconsuming

>>21674842
most seed oils are highly processed too which probably makes them less healthy. i would assume that like cold pressed canola oil is probably healthier than the stuff that has to be deodorized and is processed with hexane.

>>21674914
Don't forget the totally harmless glyphosate which definitely does not cause cancer

>>21674914
good point, i was mainly focused on omega 6 but many seed oils are processed using high high temp and pressure processes that generate other byproducts and trans fats, nobody is disputing the harm from trans fats

OP : Do you prefer rapeseed oil? S O Y? A blend?

It's honestly a paradox that hamburger chains would buy seperate cooking oil when they themselves are beef tallow factories. You could surely have a system where you collect all of the beef fat from the grill, and have it filtered and reused for frying.

A Brief History of Canola
Canola oil is made from the seeds of a plant called rape, which is in the turnip family. Since the Industrial Revolution, rapeseed oil has been an important component of lubricants for ships and steam engines, because unlike most oils, it sticks to wet metal.

During World War II, the U.S. built a lot of ships, and so needed lots of rapeseed oil, but couldn’t get it from traditional suppliers in Europe and Asia. The Canadian rapeseed industry, which had been relatively small, exploded to fill the gap, and played an important role in the allied naval effort, becoming rich and powerful in the process.

But rapeseed oil demand plummeted when the war was over, and so began an intensive program to breed a rapeseed edible to humans. Traditional rapeseed oil contains almost 60 percent monounsaturated fatty acids (compared to about 70 percent in olive oil). Unfortunately, about two-thirds of the monounsaturated fatty acids in rapeseed oil are erucic acid, a 22-carbon monounsaturated fatty acid that had been associated with Keshan’s disease, which causes fibrotic lesions on the heart.

>>21674933

That shit is crazy... It's literally in everything since wheat is sprayed and then used to make pasta and bread

>>21674950
i make tallow at home by collecting the fat from costco beef, it's really easy but takes a bit of time, just set it at a low temp in your oven for 8 hours, you can do it 2 or 3 times and filter at each step to get it to a pure white state without any taste or smell but once is enough if you're doing small batch for cooking

the reason why hamburger chains don't create their own tallow is because many of them are not processing their own meat or they don't want to bother with how long it takes, cheap places buy prepackaged (either frozen patties or ground beef) from Sysco or other big food distros for as cheap as possible, these patties are the worst because they take all the worst byproducts and sometimes infuse them with seed oils to increase fat flavor, high end places can save the fat and process their own tallow, but again it's extra labor, storage, and handling

i also make schmaltz (chicken fat) at home, very easy to save up fat from your chicken and make it

The Internet was a mistake.

>>21674971
the real mistake was letting normies and schizos use it

>>21674950
you forgot to mention that "canola" is short for "canadian oil low acid" which was bred to lower the amount of acid that makes it inedible

>>21671375 (OP)
why do you care, faggot?
you’re as bad as people who cry about vegans
let them eat whatever they want

>>21675012
>why do you care, faggot?
why do you care that he cares? why do you bother to come to ck? why care about anything? why get up in the morning?

>>21671391
"The manosphere is a varied collection of websites, blogs, and online forums promoting masculinity, misogyny, and opposition to feminism.[1] Communities within the manosphere include men's rights activists (MRAs),[2] incels (involuntary celibates),[3] Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW),[4] pick-up artists (PUA),[5] and fathers' rights groups.[6]"

>>21674950
We all use AI dipshit. We don’t need unsolicited slop spam

>>21673085
This guy’s been on Joe Rogan. And if you know anything about that blackmailed homosexual you know he’s the launching point for many of these subversive individuals.

>>21671375 (OP)
People been talking about seed oils for over 10 years. Before that there was some stuff about trans fat being bad but during that era there was a variety of different health advice.

>>21675049
>>21672453
>>21671391
its so crazy to me that I got into MGTOW stuff 15 years ago and actually stuck with their belief of "going my own way" and leaving the small community only to see it grow into a grifter shithole ten years later and its even worse now.

>>21676683
>People been talking about seed oils for over 10 years.
Over 20. Late 90s/early 00s people were already recommending to use olive oil instead of "vegetable oil" for heart health and flavor. It becoming political is new and bizarre though.

>>21675003
This, he's dumb

>>21675049
>father's rights groups
Why would you lump that in with the others?
"Dads are evil grifters" seems like a strangely malicious position to adopt.

>>21671375 (OP)
Because these lead poisoned retards listened to the retard with worms in his brain

>>21676969
A lot of right winger's talking points are right wingers pretending to not understand anything

>healthiest restaurant in california
>holding a box of french fries

this is a joke right?

>>21676737
No it isn't. This stuff including the raw milk and the raw/paleo/keto whatever diets were started by leftist crunchy hippies decades ago who were doing it for the same "fuck corporations and poison industrial foods" reasons the right is doing it now.

>>21677065
it's not a joke, and those aren't any kind of french fries, they're beef tallow fries

>>21677065
The only thing making fries unhealthy is the seed oils. With tallow it is both healthy and delicious

>>21677065
Replace joke with grift and you got it

>>21677150
How is making fries tastier a grift? Ignore the sneed oil debate and focus on the taste. How is serving customers better tasting food a grift?

>>21677155
>healthiest
>tastier
You're already moving the goalpoasts.

>>21677065
Tallow is a healthy and natural product unlike the cancerous seed oils

>>21677196
What makes tallow natural and seeds not?

>>21677164
I never said healthier. They're deep fried potatoes. If you think they're a health food you're a fucking moron. But they're definitely tastier. How is making the food better a grift?
>we improved out product
>HOW DARE YOU!
>GRIFTER!
>RIGHT WING GRIFTER!
You're unhinged.

>>21677211
Canola wasn't even food grade it was engineered to be

>>21675049
>pick-up artists (PUA)
those guys are still around? every girl can whip out a video and play rizz or cringe for the gram or whatever the kids say.

>>21677215
>I never said healthier.
The guy you were replying to never said tallow fries tasted bad.
>If you think they're a health food you're a fucking moron
Okay? So you agree with the guy you're replying to along with most of the people in this thread?
>How is making the food better a grift?
Literally nobody said this. People are trashing on influencers for lying about french fries being a health food. It's bad to lie. Imagine cyanide being advertised as a health supplement but instead of improving your health it just fucking kills you.
>we improved out product
>HOW DARE YOU!
>GRIFTER!
>RIGHT WING GRIFTER!
>You're unhinged.
Nobody is this dumb. You're (You) farming.

>>21677217
It's still natural. It's not created in a lab. It goes through a refinement process like beef tallow does.

>>21677227
Yes. Hasan The Shockmaster still streams.

>>21677235
Do you have to bio engineer livestock to get tallow? No because it's natural

>>21677227
>those guys are still around?
I think they stopped calling themselves pickup artists. They just made podcasts and invite OF girls on their podcasts all day.
>>21677236
Kek. Does anyone remember the video where he was cooming over a non-adult hannah montana and talking about date raping girls?

>>21677232
>we improved out product
>HOW DARE YOU!
>GRIFTER!
>RIGHT WING GRIFTER!
>You're unhinged.

>Nobody is this dumb. You're (You) farming.

But you're literally doing that. This is like marketing Impossible or Beyond meat to vegans. No one who isn't an utter retard thinks that ultraprocessed fake meat slop is a health food just no one who isn't an utter retard thinks deep fried food is a health food. You only care about this because you're an unhinged leftist who thinks you're fighting fascism by getting super mad at a fast food restaurant improving their product.

>>21677254
You're just dumb.

>>21677258
You're just mad because you have no argument other than
>RIGHT WING GRIFT
and you know it.

>>21671375 (OP)
>suddenly

>>21677268
I never made that argument. Why are you babies so sensitive?

>criticizes liars for lying
>"WHY DO YOU HATE MY POLITICS SO MUCH?"
kek

>>21677271
>I never made that argument

>People are trashing on influencers for lying about french fries being a health food. It's bad to lie. Imagine cyanide being advertised as a health supplement but instead of improving your health it just fucking kills you.

All you people do is lie.

>>21677288
Hey man I got no dog in this fight I just tabbed over to /ck/ while eating my pizza, you are a mentally ill nigger brain who should kill himself instead of polluting this site with his deranged nigger babble
TYVM

This guy's face makes me want to book with Trivago

>>21673982
Those wipes are a rip off. They still dry out while sealed.

>>21677421
Makes me want to take Prep.

because unlike veganism it's a fad that actually makes them money

>>21671375 (OP)
Suddenly?

>>21671396
>>21673085
lets say you got your wish and all subversive propaganda disappeared tomorrow
why do all the countries still have to become less white the whole time we try your ideas?

>>21673119
nah the truth is the democrats are hardstuck on giving taxpayer money to illegal aliens and will keep the government shutdown forever until their little slaves are placated again

>>21677055
can a man become a woman

>>21679719
No. Should billionaires be restricted from owning sex slave islands?

>>21671375 (OP)
why should we care about grifters from "spheres"?

>manosphere
More like the mayosphere

>>21671375 (OP)
It annoys me cuz I kinda like Tallow. It tastes good for fries for instance. But these identity politics grifters have cooped it and now it is somehow a political stance to like the taste of certain foods more than others. I hate this timeline.

>>21679940
>now it is somehow a political stance to like the taste of certain foods more than others
Where have you been for most of human history?

Whats the opposite of manosphere anyways? Femension?

>>21679956
There is no opposite of manosphere. If you're asking what the female equivalent of the manosphere is, that'd be a different question.

>>21679956
The Titmension.
The Sluttiverse.
The Cuntmos.
The Whoreosphere.
The Pussyment.
Something along those lines.

>>21679956
Femcare

>>21671391
Another toxoplasmosis post.

>>21680201
consuming raw/undercooked animal products is a bigger risk for toxo than an indoor cat

>>21677196
whether or not the oil is healthy doesnt change the fact that 500 calories of fried starch is not a healthy side dish.

>>21679956
Femtorus.
It's like a sphere but with a hole.

>>21672534
And they make sure it stays one.

>>21680228
Congrats you're a fucking retard.