Thread 3972339

Shota for straight men. No /ss/ and no gay shota. Simple pictures of the beauty of boys and boyhood.

The nonsensical shota thread variations are getting out of hand

Great idea for a thread

>>3972348
At least this one has a clear purpose (boys being boys without gay undertones and lust). I still have no idea what the "female gaze shota" threads were trying to accomplish, but tbdesu as a shotacon I welcome the creation of more shita threads.

>>3972422
You are all a bunch of retards

>>3972447
Sorry. Thinking 24/7 about shotas melted my brain.

>>3972422
>female gaze
foids don't understand boys or the attraction they have on us.
their concept of "boy" is that he's got no male attributes at all, is basically a doll, something to dote on, something without any personality, no physicality, zero testosterone, devoid of desires and actions, pathologically passive, castrated.
foids are disgusting evil demons.

>>3972457
>he says, joyfully engaging in threads with female drawn art and female made characters frequently posted

>>3972339 (OP)
>Shota for straight men.
Based.

>>3972459
>

>>3972484
true

>>3972422
The only thing I'll give you is that faggots in the shota thread are prissy and obsess over women

>>3972422
The main thread has a lot of feminized shota drawn by fujos and catty gay drama, LARPS, etc. I'd say this thread embraces boyhood masculinity and boyhood customs - shotas wrestling, going on adventures, being mischievous, playful, etc.

>>3972543
now THIS hits the spot

>>3972469
>>3972470
>>3972471
Peak male performance.

Is this the straight yaoi thread?

Shigeru excels at that, every Shounen Zoom volume it's about boys being boys, there's a sense of deep yearning for boyhood in all of his works. I guess cherishing the youth it's a very japanese thing, but this feeling is multiplied by tenfold if this is the subject matter. There's a fleeting moment in your life, long before developing homosexual tendencies, where you and the other boys lived in the same world.

>>3972613
The problem with your image is that you posted a doujin. That's an eroticization of the boyhood experience.
>There's a fleeting moment in your life, long before developing homosexual tendencies, where you and the other boys lived in the same world.
What you describe is important, especially in regards to boys being in the "same world" but the purpose of this being a "Straight Male" thread is to avoid any sexual or homoerotic tendencies. The pure friendship of Gon and Killua is often implied to be homoerotic by fans, but it's never been explicitly or implicitly been expressed that they have any homoerotic tension. They're just best friends with a powerful love - a bond more great than that of brothers.

Quality thread so far bros

>>3972614
Most of the images posted here are boyhood through an eroticized lens. You're right, your approach is more fitting for "straight male shota". But that sense of male camaraderie might be alien to the average /cm/ user, that's why things are the way they are. The focus is on the exaltation of the heterosexual boyhood. Sometimes it's about the short-lived moments we could have shared with them, or simply longing for something that is normal but we can't experience.

>>3972691
Unfortunately a lot of these images will probably be somewhat eroticized because that's just the nature of Japanese shota imagery. Male camaraderie is certainly absent from the mind of the average /cm/ user, whether they did experience it as a child or never did and can only eroticize it. This seems to be a growing problem I've noticed where intimate, "boyhood moments" that are very special for that particular moment in life are narrowed down to just "homoeroticism." It's as if it's impossible to imagine two boy friends expressing their love for each other by being vulnerable with their feelings, bodies, and desires. Pic related is a good example of what I'm talking about. A very natural boy experience where nudity is normalized because the boys know they have the same body and are comfortable and vulnerable with each other. No "erotic" or "sexual tension," just boys being boys.

>>3972339 (OP)
>Straight Male Shota
>shota for straight men
Really? Why not make a "draw a girl call it a boy shota" thread while we're at it? In fact, we should just change this board to/sm/ since we're half way there.

>>3972757
>Why not make a "draw a girl call it a boy shota" thread while we're at it?
Already exists: >>3964536
>In fact, we should just change this board to/sm/ since we're half way there
I support this idea.

I keep forgetting this artist's name, but his art is the apex of "boys being boys".

>>3972691
>>3972737
This sounds like major cope, my dear friend. Admit it, none of these pictures could feasibly ever be taken as non-homosexual imagery. They eroticize and idealize boyhood which always connotates homosexual ideation. There's nothing wrong with that, given the board we're on, I just wish you'd stop coping with this "le camarederie" nonsense. No, straight guys have no interest in camarederie given how they treat fellow men in majority of situations and there is no such thing as a straight male gaze when it comes to shota or anything involving males. Just admit it already. It doesn't have to have erotic, romantic or sexual tension in any way for it to not be homosexual at the end of it. This whole thread is painful to read.

>>3972875
Boys are objectively beautiful and you dont have to be aroused by them to acknowledge that.

>>3972875
I get where you're coming from considering this is a "shota" thread, but consider these two threads which disprove the connotation between the drawn male form in its beauty and alleged homosexual ideation.
>>3914990
>>3970121
>No, straight guys have no interest in camarederie given how they treat fellow men in majority of situations and there is no such thing as a straight male gaze when it comes to shota or anything involving males.
Have you forgotten about the bond between Achilles and Patroclus? Gilgamesh and Enkidu? Tom and Huck? Male camaraderie is an endangered form of friendship that used to present throughout history and literature, with stories of "blood brothers" or "soul siblings" forging relationships that are just as passionate or sometimes even more powerful than romantic love, all without any sexual or homoerotic tension ("Blood Brotherhood" Jack Donovan, Nathan F. Miller). Cicero would write about this bond for the Pagan in "De Amicitia" with Aelred of Rievaulx continuing Cicero's work and adapting it for the Christian. Yes, men unfortunately nowadays have zero interest in other men, I agree with you. But a closer look at history shows that things were not always this way and that (hopefully) we can turn back the clock and bring men closer together.

>>3972896
lolo you re coping you are in cute male and yet you still continue to pretend you are straight lol

>>3972875
>>3972899
You need to have an IQ over 120 to understand the subtle themes the other anon is talking about. You're simply too dense to get it.

>>3972896
>Achilles and Patroclus? Gilgamesh and Enkidu? Tom and Huck?
All were fucking.

At first I scoffed at this thread, but after some thought, I kind of get it. Coomers will never understand that the body of a boy is a work of art. I think there are plenty of striaght males who have coomerbrain tho

>>3972971
If that's what you really think then you really haven't felt the love of a close, personal friend. To quote C.S. Lewis: "“Those who cannot conceive of friendship as a substantive love but only as a disguise or elaboration of Eros betray the fact that they have never had a friend.”

>When I picked up my 12-year-old son after soccer practice in Turkey, one of the other boys touched Alex’s cheek with his hand and said, “See ya, handsome.”
>I noticed macho police and secret service types holding hands. It’s not unusual to see male university students fawning over each other, but there is no indication they are homosexuals.
>One could say the lack of self-consciousness is refreshing, without the American need to put a label on certain behavior and judge it, even if I’m too Americanized to feel comfortable hugging and kissing other men.
>Before observing this phenomenon of male behavior in Turkey, I would have thought that it wasn’t “natural” for men to hug, kiss and dance with each other because that’s the way I was raised. In middle and high school in America, boys are taught what it is acceptable and unacceptable behavior. They are taught that it is “unmanly” and “unnatural” to show affection toward other men, and if you do so in junior high school or early high school at least, you are to be shunned and condemned as “gay.” But that is just culture speaking, not “nature.”

https://exploringeuropeandrussia.wordpress.com/2011/09/10/men-hug-kiss-dance-together-in-turkey-and-call-each-other-handsome/

>>3972540
While I do think that splitting the board into a million different types of shota threads is a bit silly, I do agree that the main thread can devolve into petty arguments a lot of the time, especially if you dare to say that you can like shotas and not be gay.

>>3973082
Cute young Link, always loved him. But yeah, it's ridiculous to presume that because anons come here they must have homolust for them at all times. That's just not true. Again, as I stated in the main thread, there are people who are purely into the "hugs" and want zero participation in the "fugs" domain of this space. Have none of these guys had a little brother or cousin? A best friend who connected with them emotionally and physically on a deep level? Same goes for the women of this board, they need to feel welcomed as well, although this is the straight male thread so we'll keep discussion of women to a minimum.

>>3973087
The guys in the main thread seem very upset at the concept of a man finding a boy beautiful without wanting to engage in any sexual activity with him.

>>3973239
you are a retarded faggot that posts on cute male stop being such a dumbass

>>3973082
you are on cute male dumbass

>>3973240
>>3973241
HE'S A SPAMMER TROLL SCHIZO DO NOT REPLY TO HIM YOU ARE EMBOLDENING HIM

>>3973243
you are on a board that was made for both gay males and fujos and you go with your dumbass straight shota garbage

>>3973243
>Everyone that doesn't agree with me is a spamming shizo.
Just ignore the thread then and let it die.

>>3973239
It's apparently a baffling concept to a lot of people, a lot of straight people included. The idea that a straight man can't find boys beautiful should be ridiculous on face value if one were to just think about the history of art and literature centered on cute boys. Caravaggio, anyone? The problem in our modern culture is that we impose sexuality on normal feelings that are not inherently sexual. I find cities, overgrowth on buildings, and old architecture very beautiful. Does that mean I have a sexual attraction to these things? Obviously not. So why is it that a man's affinity for the male youth or boyhood in general suddenly has to be sexual?

>>3973244
>both gay males AND fujos
no it wasn't lol this is 99.9 percent homosexual men and this one pathetic loser closet straggot schizo

>>3973246
Please just shut the fuck up schizo

>>3973247
>>3973275
I really would recommend you guys go back and read about love. Start with basic research about platonic love and fraternal love and then read C.S. Lewis' "The Four Loves." Then go beyond that and read some history of male-male affectionalism (Ibson's "Picturing Men" would be a good start as it debunks the 'lone cowboy' myth).

>>3973417
>C.S. Lewis
ISHYGDDT

So is this the nambla thread?

>>3973445
you wish

This idea of labeling certain behaviors as "straight" or "gay" coded only reinforces homophobia - it doesn't help any confused boys or men at all. Being a boy and having a loving, affectionate relationship with another boy does not make one a "straggot" or "in the closet," just as holding hands together or sharing a bed does not imply any sexual connotation.

>>3973520
Just stop already.

>>3973561
If you're going to respond to me you could at least post shota.

>>3972896
I never come into this threads but I saw the thread title and had to bite. I don't disagree with your overall argument (male intimacy is not necessarily erotic), but you are using some specious examples which make it seem like a troll. Achilles and Patroclus were considered a homoerotic couple in antiquity (Plato, Aeschylus, etc.). Jack Donovan is homosexual. CS Lewis did protest against Freudian notions that eros must lurk at the bottom of every relationship between males, but also acknowledged the homoeroticism of antiquity, of Shakespeare's sonnets, and his own school experiences.

>>3973839
Oh and Caravaggio was a homo

>>3973840
There is very little evidence for most of those claims of gayness that isnt based on modern historical revisionism. Have you honestly never thought a boy was beautiful without wanting to put your dick inside him?

>>3973839
I'll go at this from a more broad point of view rather than one-by-one. First, yeah, Jack Donovan is a homosexual man, but "Blood Brotherhood" in particular is not about imposing a revisionist, homoerotic subtext on male-male relationships. The book documents customs and literature from centuries past that demonstrate just how important alliances, friendships, and bonds between men were considered. An example he uses is Fei Wei and Chi Ch'and in which he write: "The two men broke out in tears, and threw away their bows. They bowed down low upon the ground before each other, and asked to become father and son. They both let blood flow from their arms, and took an oath never to reveal the secrets of their art to any other man." Him being gay himself has nothing to do with his and Nathan F. Miller's research on male affectionalism, as all they're trying to prove is that a special camaraderie that once was present throughout the world is now lost. Hence why he would also write "The Way of Men" in which he stresses the importance of forming a "gang" with like-minded men.
>CS Lewis did protest against Freudian notions that eros must lurk at the bottom of every relationship between males, but also acknowledged the homoeroticism of antiquity, of Shakespeare's sonnets, and his own school experiences.
No one is denying that homoeroticism or homosexuality was present in the past. What myself and others are trying to say is that Abraham Lincoln and Joshua Speed sharing a bed together and even writing "romantic" letters of affection to each other was nothing unique to their relationship, in fact, it was quite common and says nothing about one's sexuality.

>>3973870
(Continued) As for greek gods and the such, again, that's wildly debated as customs were very different back then and it's dependent upon the "academic" one reads. Myself having read Adonis A. Georgiades "Homosexuality in Ancient Greece" which proposes that homosexual acts were not common and punishable by law is probably more accurate than the idea of Greece being a "gay paradise" (even still, I can't say that that book debunked every argument most revisionists make).
>Caravaggio was a homo
That's just speculation, which is unfortunate because I'm also a boy artist but I can't go a day thinking that others will get the wrong impression of what my work is trying to say. All I can recall about Caravaggio is that he got into a lot of fights and had a big mouth, so we can't say anything about his sexuality regardless of the fact whether he had favorite models that happened to be male.

*Fei Wei and Chi Ch'ang
Spelling error, but here's a link to the Book of Lieh-Tzu for anyone interested
https://librivox.org/the-book-of-lieh-tzu-by-lieh-tzu-translated-by-lionel-giles/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2I-b3S2Tacc
Dio and Lucciola's relationship should serve as another example of a sweet, intimate friendship between boys without any romantic or sexual undertones much like Gon and Killua. Surprised this anime doesn't get talked about much considered how good it is.

>>3973869
>>3973870
>>3973875
I agree that Abraham Lincoln was probably not homosexual and that bed-sharing was not a homoerotic practice of that era. However, you are the one engaged in modern historical revisionism by suggesting that sexual pederasty was not endemic in ancient Greece. No one even suggested this warped idea until the 20th century.

>>3973875
>Richard Symonds, an English visitor to Rome about 1649/51, recorded the Cupid as being "ye body and face of his (Caravaggio's) own boy or servant that (sic) laid with him".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amor_Vincit_Omnia_(Caravaggio)

>that's wildly debated as customs were very different back then and it's dependent upon the "academic" one reads. Myself having read Adonis A. Georgiades "Homosexuality in Ancient Greece" which proposes that homosexual acts were not common and punishable by law is probably more accurate than the idea of Greece being a "gay paradise"
Read the original sources, most of the sources that deniers post on the internet are taken out of context. For example, Xenophon states that pederasty was legal in the majority of Greek cities. Plato is often cited as evidence that the Greeks were against the practice, but he was an iconoclast who's opinions were in no way suggestive of mainstream opinion. In his Laws, he laments the fact that pederasty isn't criminalized. Against Timarchus makes it clear that pederasty was common in Athens, and legal; Aeschines only takes objection to Timarchus engaging in prostitution, not the practice of pederasty, and names various 'lovers' and 'beloveds' who he finds honourable, including himself, to contrast with Timarchus' behaviour.

Athenaeus was a Greek writer who wrote on Greek boy-love around 200AD, a period of history when the practice had become unfavourable. His opinions coincide with modern day opinions regarding the matter, so it can hardly be considered revisionism:
>And many men used to be as fond of having boys for their favourites as women for their mistresses. And this was a frequent fashion in many very well regulated cities of Greece. Accordingly, the Cretans, as I have said before, and the Chalcidians in Eubœa, were very much addicted to the custom of having boy-favourites. Therefore Echemenes, in his History of Crete, says that it was not Jupiter who carried off Ganymede, but Minos.

Being a "shotacon" is not gay or straigth. It is its own sexual orientation that deserves to be recognized, respected, celebrated and protected.
#shotaconpride #shotasexual #LGBTS

stop coping with the fact you are a gay pedophile

>>3973713
Better version.

>>3973922
It's a pretty sad state of affairs that there are some on this board that find being a gay pederast acceptable. Some anons just can't conceptualize a man loving another young man or boy with a platonic or fraternal type of love.
>stop coping
I think you're projecting, anon. If you're going to cope and seethe like a good little incel, you could at least post cute boys.

>>3973950
Can you reply to the history posts...

>>3973952
Honestly, whether ancient Greece had a culture of pederasty or not doesn't really matter at this point. Eventually they would (rightfully so) collapse and be replaced by a better culture that disapproved of such acts. That's even if all the evidence points to 'Greek love' being a thing. Georgiades says that the early Church slandered the Greek way of life by accusing them of sodomy and pederasty, but who's to stay that the early Church wasn't correct in their testimony? I'm not Greek nor am I a neo-Pagan, it's moreso the debate and evidence pointing to different conclusions I find interesting.

>>3973955
>posts garbage shotas that just look like (brown) adult men; obvious coping faggot (not even a pederast)
>thinks jewish sandnigger religion and culture is superior to native european culture
>thinks pederasty is wrong: posts on board named "cute males"
>has retarded opinions on history
Only the brown mind is capable of this level of cope. I miss when only first worlders had access to the internet.

I think this thread is full of homos in denial. But whatever, I like boyish boys way more than girly boys.

>>3973961
>posts garbage shotas that just look like (brown) adult men; obvious coping faggot (not even a pederast)
They're Japanese shota, and it's called having tan skin because they're outside all day as boys should be. I'm obviously not a fan of Draugnut's erotic work, but everything from the shape design, anatomy, personality, and youthful beauty of his boys is an example of an artist who loves masculinity. These aren't boys with tareme (タレ目) eyes with feminine proportions or posed to look like women. There's not a single hint of gender ambiguity or "moe" in his art. It's an expression of the masculine-boyhood experience, chud.
>thinks jewish sandnigger religion and culture is superior to native european culture
Where are these European pagans? Oh, they're all gone? Sucks to be you, then.
>thinks pederasty is wrong: posts on board named "cute males"
Got a problem with that, chuddie?
>has retarded opinions on history
Sounds like a you problem, chudcel.
>Only the brown mind is capable of this level of cope. I miss when only first worlders had access to the internet.
Aw, guys look! A /pol/cel in his basement found his way over here, how cute! He thinks it's 2016, how adorable! BTW - how's that Mike Enoch and his "NJP" party doing? Is Trump saving the white race? Lmao.

>>3973969
Delusional brown hands typed this post.

>>3973974
You can always go back to your containment board. But the fact you're even here to begin with proves me right. That schizo in the main thread that thought /cm/ was his safe space away from women and straight men was dead wrong and he won't stop being butthurt over it. His mind can't cope with the fact that everyone loves cute boys and just has different expressions of that love that are not his.

>>3973961
Being a gay pedophile atheist is the most jewish thing possible.

>>3973961
>thinks pederasty is wrong: posts on board named "cute males"
This is not contradictory and in a better world most people on the board would agree with it

>>3973984
you are in cute male dude stop coping

>>3974030
If all you can do is say "cope" with every post you make you lost the argument. Give up already.

>>3974032
you are closeted faggot

>>3973981
you are in cute male, you know what kinda board is this.

>christian posts In shota thread
>totally not a pedo
kek that anon must be a priest

>>3974091
Why are you guys so obsessed with the sexuality of anonymous internet strangers? Surely you have better things to be doing on july 4th no?

>>3974032
Images like these make me wish I had a son.

Hope you all had a good fourth. Watched The Godfather with the senpai. The whole time I was imagining a gangster movie with cute Italian boys and how that would work.

And this is how I figured out "f-a-m" translates to senpai. Neato.

At least this thread doesnt have any hay blogposting

I meant to say gay but hay works too I guess

Someone has any link to an ai image generator without censorship?

>>3972339 (OP)
i can imagine actually a lot of good examples of this
but… as others have mentioned the starting images of the thread and the rest so far weren’t very fitting at all

i honestly think we could try this thread again, just some young guys/boys being cute together, but not objectified
or being heavily focused on particular features when rendering, or anything like that

no i’m certain it’s not a nonsensical idea, there’s nothing in concept that would put off the average guy you’re trying to get into cute males,
and besides those kinds of posts are very very sweet
the problem is it can be hard to understand the right perspective, and select your image therefor, if you have one disposition and lack a certain other

at least without a proper model;
that is the fly in the ointment… - -‘

>>3974377
OP here. I get your concern and will see what I can do about the next thread.

>i honestly think we could try this thread again, just some young guys/boys being cute together, but not objectified or being heavily focused on particular features when rendering, or anything like that
As a boy artist myself I like drawing cute boys shirtless since there is a lot of beauty in the anatomy. For me it's the delicate balance between youth and conventional masculinity, the softness and innocence of preadolescence with the temperance and strength of the young male. When I draw them I wouldn't say I'm objectifying them, rather, demonstrating the ideal boy form and what I want for all boys.

>the problem is it can be hard to understand the right perspective, and select your image therefor, if you have one disposition and lack a certain other
This is also true, and that's why the thread has the "Straight Male Shota" name for the thread. Hopefully I can compile a better idea of what this thread should be about in the next thread and we can further discuss what it means to be a straight male who cares about this subject (why we look at these images, watch shota anime, play shota games, etc).

>>3974378
>will see what I can do about the next thread
Just put "Wholesome shota art: boys being boys without romantic or lewd implications" in the OP. "Straight male shota" clearly confused a lot of people and derailed the thread quite bad with endless arguments about stuff that nobody will agree on.

>>3974474
That makes sense, I'll have that as the subject for the next thread.

>>3974601
Cute Sharky

>>3974788
I watched the first Macross Frontier movie and looked up his character design, only to realized his pilot suit doesn't actually look like that.
Disappointed. But I still might watch the anime

>>3972339 (OP)
ironically this is one of the gayest threads in the board. all of these boys look so cute and they all could be gay

>>3974991
If you're gonna bait at least post cute shotas while you're at it

strait boys doing strait things

>>3975090
Where's this from?

I'm straight and I would still suck the cock of every single sho that got posted in this thread

>>3975121
Read the OP, anon.

>>3975123
But I'm straight

I feel like if the Axis powers won the war, there would've probably been some sort of research in how to permanently stop the body from aging at age 13 or so. At least that's how I see it. But who would've done so? Obviously not Italy so it's between Germany and Japan... I think I am leaning towards Japan but I'm not sure why..

>>3975128
the powers that be recognize retaining fleeting sho beauty would make this hellscape reality much more bearable and thus will never do it even if they could probably pull it off.

>>3974387
*proteccs permanently activated*

>>3973838
Brothers by blood lovers by choice

>>3973969
This is embarrassing. Please stop posting. Is this what would you tell somebody in real life addressing you directly about this?
Thank God I never liked shota to begin with, you pedos really have to come up with autism levels this high to cope around your own tastes.