Thread 3976251

Shota for straight men. No /ss/ and no gay shota. Simple pictures of the beauty of boys and boyhood.

Previous: >>3972339

>Listening to boys, particularly during early and middle adolescence, speak about their male friendships is like reading an old-fashioned romance novel where the female protagonist is describing her passionate feelings for her man. At the edge of manhood when pressures to conform to gender expectations intensify (Hill & Lynch, 1983), boys speak about their male friends with abandon, referring to them as people whom they love, and as Justin says, “this thing that is deep, so deep, it’s within you, you can’t explain it.” They tell their interviewers in great detail and with tremendous affect about their best friends with whom they share their deepest secrets and without whom they would “feel lost.” Set against a culture that perceives boys and men to be “activity-oriented,” “emotionally illiterate,” and interested only in independence, these stories seem surprising. The lone cowboy, the cultural icon of masculinity in the United States, suggests that what boys want and need most are opportunities for competition and
autonomy. Yet over 85% of the American boys we have interviewed throughout adolescence for the past 20 years suggest that their closest friendships - especially those during early and middle adolescence - share the plot of Love Story more than the plot of Lord of the Flies.

From Niobe Way's "Boys Friendships During Adolescence" (via Journal of Research on Adolescence)

They might be straight
Not sure if accurate, though

>>3976456
Cute pic, I don't see any erotic subtext as far as I can tell.

Another great day to be straight

>he's still at it
This is sad. Just sad.

>>3976490
Me and many others. We are straight, we love being who we are - we value masculinity and want to protect and nurture it. That also means protecting it from the stain of "homoeroticism" where once male camaraderie, loyalty, and friendship once were.

I'm not gay. I just like to self-insert myself as a shota because they're cute and somewhat handsome than ugly and hairy adult. Shota is the best puberty sucks and should be an option

>>3976508
I self-insert as well. I think about the happy times where I was a boy and everything felt innocent and I felt free and everything felt big and alive. I didn't have the experience or the pain of adulthood, which is all I have now, unfortunately.

>>3976491
Stop with the fucking cringe larp you are in cute Male fucking troll

>>3976550
Why would someone troll on this board? There's like only 10 people including you and me here. stop being a gaycel schizo and post cute shotas.

>>3976554
nah you are just a troll who is obssed with that retarded concept of straight shota

>>3976491
You are debating with a Jew >>3976550
Nothing is sacred for them. Everything pure must be distorted and normalized that way.
They are ideologically possessed and must poison the perception of those who have no discernment.
Confusing others has become a way to cope with their delusion.

>>3976576
lol everyone i hate is a jew lol you are in cute male

>>3976582
They don't leave any stone unturned.

>>3976595
please put you retardeness in a board that is not cute male tourist

>>3976602
You will never distort the purest thing in creation.

>>3976609
lol if you care so much about purity lol get away from the fucking cute male board, you are a retarded tourist

>>3976673
You just reveled that you come here for impure reasons.
I come here for wholesome content. But there isn't a place where the wicked won't infiltrate to twist things, and behold, here you are.

>>3976673
>>3976602
>>3976556
>>3976550

stop shitting up the board with spam and appreciate cute sho’s anon,
post some pics or gtfo of the thread

>>3976681
You don't come here for wholesome reasons faggot you Sony fooling no one

>>3976882
I'd be wasting my time if I try to convince you otherwise, but the fact that "straight shota threads" trigger from the start >>3976490
says a lot about how intolerant you are to the idea of normal boy relationship and behaviors. And the reason for that is because you're a freak. You don't have a shotacon complex, you're not a boy lover. You're a degenerate pedophile with an agenda.

Its comforting to know that theres at least some sane people on this board

>>3976894
You're the pedophile, you are in fucking cute Male, stop the fucking larp you Sony fooling no one

>>3976894
You are a faggot deflecting dude

>>3976926
I wonder if you'd tell God the same if he echoed my message. You know he loves boys too... right? But here's the thing you can't differentiate because of your wickedness: there is a pure way of love. Something you wouldn't know a thing about because your Dad didn't express any of it to you. Instead, you were molested. That's the only version of "love" you know, and now you want to continue the cycle. Starting by perverting boy relationship so they fall into your level of misery.

Stop replying to the obvious shit stirrer, you morons.

>>3976969
the shit stirrer is the only one posting pictures

>>3976967
you are not god you are the most hypocritical being, stop comparing yourself to god idiot, you are just a retarded faggot

The fact that perversion of boys is treated normally here and is accepted is problematic. "Shotacon" takes the charm, innocence, and youthful masculinity of boys and sexualizes it, reducing the beauty of the boy into nothing more than an object to be used and exploited. This is a violation of something that should be considered sacred and cherished - the boyhoods that we've experienced as well as the lives of other boys. I like SFW shota because it reminds me of the joy of when I was a child. I think about the friends I had and moments we shared as boys together. To eroticize that special feeling is to harm that which was good for me, and I just can't do that.

>>3977010
You read my message and somehow thought I compared myself to God? LOL
>mfw
I'm the one defending the natural and perfect state of boys and their youthful masculinity. You're the one that opposes this statement and I'm the faggot in your judgement?
>"Just keep calling him a retarded faggot"
>That'll surely teach em'
said the discord tranny

>>3977031
>I like SFW shota because it reminds me of the joy of when I was a child
It really is this simple. Bless you anon.

>>3977040
Oh says the mtf tranny stop going to cute Male faggot

>>3977031
Peak faggotry here, gosh i Hate dumbasses like you that invade a thread for your retardeness

>>3977044
Here's an idea. I've explained why I like SFW shota and what the concept of this thread means to me as a straight man. How about you actually explain why straight men can't possibly enjoy SFW shota? Is it that hard to imagine that there are normal men out there that write stories and make art that doesn't eroticize boyhood experiences? Catcher in the Rye, A Separate Peace, Tom Sawyer? How about the art of Pierre Joubert? Norman Rockwell?

>>3977043
You're the one that hasn't been posting pics because you're using one hand to dilate this whole time stfu. I'll always be a male and there isn't a day that passes by where I'm not grateful for that.

>>3977048
Stupid faggot in a board called cute Male
Tourist

>>3977055
>REEE IF YOU'RE NOT GAY-ING OR FEMINIZING BOYS YOU DON'T BELONG HERE
>>3976661 is that way

This one's my favorite.

>>3977068
faggot

>>3977071
Wrong thread

>>3976508
>I just like to self-insert myself as a shota because they're cute and somewhat handsome than ugly and hairy adult.
Based and same. I just wanna be a cute kid and live a comfy life.

>>3977084
well some of you admit you wanna be /cm/
(where you'll miss posting when you're 12"/cm/" below the monitor :P)

>>3976251 (OP)
You would have saved yourself a lot of headaches if you had omitted the "shota for straight men" part like I told you in the previous thread and just created a thread about cute boys being boys.

Also look at this tiny bnuuy <3. I doubt there will ever be a cuter picture than this in the thread.

>>3977119
I want these threads to be discussed oriented rather than just image dumps. The main thread should be SFW but that's obviously not the case with half the images being lewd and the discussion of the main shota thread being openly sexual. Straight men don't sexualize cute boys nor do we sexualize our own boyhood or experiences with other boys. Let the shota-schism happen if it has to.

>>3977126
stop invading threads tourist

>>3977132

oh my god i'm serious, no one gives a shit about your retarded little cat fight.
every time you out of the two of you speak it bumps the thread to the top with adding no new images, which even as some moralfag appears, as grating as he is way more than he needs to be, has the base decency to do
i do not care the reason you post cute boys, just fucking post them at least

like this:

frens

>Roger of Hoverdon, writing at the turn of the twelfth to the thirteenth century, describes the end of the French siege at Châteauroux as follows: "Richard, Duke of Aquitaine, son of the King of England, remained with Philip, the King of France, who so honored him for so long that they ate every day at the same table and from the same dish, and at night their beds did not separate them. And the King of France loved him as his own soul; and they loved each other so much that the King of England was absolutely astonished at the vehement love between them and marveled at what it could mean." At first glance the passage appears unequivocal. What does it leave to interpretation? Richard Lionheart and King Philip Augustus loved each other "as their own soul" and share the same bed. Their affection is unapologetic; they make public gestures displaying it. The problem posed by the first glance is to explain how homosexuality could have asserted itself so baldly... at the highest level of power of the two greatest kingdoms of the twelfth-century west without raising comment... The text itself contains a few warnings against reading it as the mode of loving we call "homosexual." Henry II... "postponed his plans of returning to England until he could determined what plots this sudden love portended." This is the reaction of a betrayed general, not an outraged father. The king's only concern is strategy. His military campaign, not his family honor, is in danger. His sole response to his son's passion is a change in his travel plans. He sees "plots," not a gay love affair, portended by this sudden, vehement love.

From "Ennobling Love" by C. Stephen Jaeger

>>3977493
>It is possible for medieval writers to say - in public documents - that a king loved his courter vehemently, embraced him with the flames of intimate love, kissed him, slept with him, shared the same clothes, and ate from the same dish; it is possible for a cleric/courtier to say that he longs to kiss his archbishop-friend and to sink into his embraces, that he licks his "viscera," bathes his chest with his tears, and longs to fuse their two souls into one - and none of these formulations was received as an indication of an illicit erotic attachment... "Homosexual," "homoerotic," even "male friendship," are colored by the erotic. Even when the erotic is unstated the terms still operate in the same force field. Eve Kosofsky Sedgwick's term "homosocial" is useful. It sets sexuality to one side, eliminates its automatic inclusion, while holding its readiness. The discourse of male-male love displays on its surface sexuality vanquished and banished. Sexual desire and sexual intercourse can infiltrate secretly, but they do not govern it form their position of hiding...

I really do recommend this book for those interested in the history of male-male affection, especially for straight men who deeply care about male camaraderie and boys being boys.

This thread is based beyond belief

>>3977504retarded

>>3977497
pure sex

>>3977522
no u

>>3977522
Retarded shotas are cute.

>>3977532
Based femanon

Alright anons, what brings you here specifically? When did you realize you loved cute shota and saw the true beauty that is the nature of boyhood?

>>3977655
I've loved boys all my life.The first boy I remember thinking was beautiful was this one rich kid who's dad got mugged and shanked, he got really mad at me when I said his dad got shreked though.

>>3977686
I think it was just the nature of my friendships with other boys growing up. How I was able to so easily get along with them, bond with them so easily whereas girls were like an alien to me, even though that mystery of the opposite sex was something we wanted to study. But I think there's something special about that 'sameness' in a friendship or friend group that makes emotional connection and trust much easier and more comfortable.

>>3977690
I dont even care about sex or women anymore, I just wish I had a cute boy to lavish my affections on and spoil rotten.

>>3977702
me too. i had crushes on girls in high school but i don't think they liked me all that much. but i was very close with my boy friends in fourth grade. we'd play pokemon a lot and have sleepovers all the time. i dunno, boys are just easier to be with like this anon said
>>3977690

>>3978289
I wish I could be surrounded by beautiful boys 24/7, I'd rather listen to a cute boy ramble on passionately about whatever his autistic interest is than deal with some bpd having thot.and all the cookie cutter drama that entails. If only I could live in a boy paradise where boys could be intimate with each other without fear of being called gay.

>>3978293
>If only I could live in a boy paradise where boys could be intimate with each other without fear of being called gay.
yeah i think there's a lot of guys that want the same thing. my friends and i were pretty comfortable hugging each other when we were younger but then as soon as girls became a thing it's like they put all their focus on getting a girlfriend instead :c
i was just happy to be with them and i wish i could tell them how special they made me feel...

>>3978289
Heterosexual relationships are soulless and transactional. Nothing "genuine" about them. What even constitutes love in those relationships beyond biological preconditions and chemicals in the brain? Nothing. They can't truly love each other because they can't relate to each other in any way. Now, they've tried to fill that gap with consumerist nonsense such as "oh, you like this dumb fucking band too?! let's get married!". So disgusting, hollow and sick. It's not just heterosexuals, it's anything to do with women. They just can't love because they don't have a soul. Everything they do is hollow status preservation, like fucking automatons. They live just to prostitute themselves to the highest bidder. They were made to be soulless womb carriers by nature and there's no "loving" them or feeling kinship/understanding with them.
>>3978293
True that. It's a cruel, cruel world we live in. Makes me want to weep at how many boys will suffer under this evil gynocracy. If they actually show any real affection to each other that isn't performatively shallow (to fit the alphabet) then they will be socially destroyed. Seen it happen and had it happen to me when I was a kid, even before the current clown world.

>>3978295
When I was in middle school, I crushed on this other boy and we had an amazing connection. It was bliss. Then puberty hit and he didn't want anything to do with me because his parents made him hang out with these other normalfags. I had to pass him in the hall pretending that nothing had happened in high school and it was hell on earth. That was well over 8 years ago.

>>3978296
>>3978297
hm, i've only ever been on dates with girls. but the connection i had with other boys is different because it feels automatic, if that makes sense. like how in middle and high school there was a lot of pressure to prove myself and look more attractive for girls, but when i was with my boy friends i was comfortable and able to just be myself around them and didn't have to worry about anything.
>True that. It's a cruel, cruel world we live in. Makes me want to weep at how many boys will suffer under this evil gynocracy.
i mean girls have their problems, too. but boys are the forgotten ones and i don't think anyone really cares about boys. it's sad...

>>3978293
Based and same

>>3978301
>i mean, girls have their problems
they do not. enough with this "b-but girls have problems too...or something" when discussing the utter hell boys go through in this piece of shit world. women cant suffer. they are handed everything on a silver platter.

>>3977655
>Alright anons, what brings you here specifically?
I'm constantly on the look for more shotas, and /cm/ has essentially become the shota board.
>When did you realize you loved cute shota and saw the true beauty that is the nature of boyhood?
Since I was a kid. I always showed interest in boys, real and fictional, and while at first I thought it was mere admiration because they were pretty and had cool lives, with the years I began to realize that my love for boys wasn't disappearing and that it was more than platonic. Nowadays I think boys are the most beautiful thing in the world, and while part of my attraction for them is sexual and saddens me when they aren't in love with other boys, I still love everything they do and the mix of innocence, curiosity and mischievousness of their actions and reactions.

>>3978327
>Nowadays I think boys are the most beautiful thing in the world, and while part of my attraction for them is sexual and saddens me when they aren't in love with other boys, I still love everything they do and the mix of innocence, curiosity and mischievousness of their actions and reactions.
As an artist who primarily draws SFW shota and bishounen, it can sometimes be hard to explain my interests to someone who doesn't think about boyhood as much as I do. I want to capture what it felt like to be a boy and the experiences I had with other boys that felt very special and intimate to me. Does it also help that I find the body of the boy very beautiful? Yeah, absolutely. But the troubling part is that some people take my words or my work as erotic. It's frustrating because I want to draw an idealized version of my childhood. I don't view my boyhood relationships as romantic because I wasn't attracted to them in that way and romance just doesn't interest me either. Rather, they were like brothers to me who were even closer than family.

There is something truly special about boyhood, and even if we live in a cursed epoch that actively works against our affinities, there will be a time in the future that recognizes it for what it is. Ancient Greece is eternal and its spirit will triumph over the decaying corpse of modern civilization.

>>3978421
Boyhood is very beautiful thing, but no one gives it the attention or care it needs. Why is the Boy Scouts gone? Why are there no spaces for just boys to be themselves with other boys? How many places offer boys to be in a male environment without women teaching or "correcting" them? That's what felt so special about my own boyhood, that it was just us together, loving each other in the ways only we understood and knew how. I remember my friend and I in middle school would have sleepovers. We'd spend a lot of time shirtless or even wearing nothing but our underwear, and that was good for us because the body of the boy isn't perceived as scandalous as the female body. And so at night we'd share the same bed wearing basically nothing in the summer heat, and I remember how comfortable we were cuddling together with his arms around me and his skin against my chest. I tried describing that special type of love in this post:
https://boards.fireden.net/cm/thread/3929780/#q3930161
But this is why we need boys to be able to be with each other without the fear of having sexuality attached to their behavior. I'm straight but I haven't felt as loved by other girls as I did with my best friends.

>>3978420
Stop treating romantic/sexual attraction as this evil thing, you fucking donut.

>>3978442
I love you anon

>>3978680
I feel sorry that that's what you took away from my post, anon. Some guys here are straight. We don't hate gay men, we just have a different way of expressing our affection for the same sex.

>>3978680
Stay in your fucking containment unless you want problems retard.

This guy is the result of gay "conversion" therapy.
The distinction he wants to make is minor and not worth having this much of an extended melty over.
It's only another facet of boy relationships that makes them so special.

I'm sorry that your parents abused you with religion.

>>3978718
I'm just opening up a dialogue. As someone else mentioned in the main thread, /cm/ isn't just for one demographic. There's gay men, women, and now we have straight men as well. I'm certain a lot of straight guys have some sort of healthy _homosocial_ affection that they want to express with a best friend or a beautiful man. The issue is whenever people read my posts and come to your conclusion that I was somehow brainwashed ("abused by religion") or had "conversion" therapy. None of that happened, I was happy to come to this conclusion through years of drawing the male figure, reading literature on the body, male affection, patriarchal societies, and just talking to other guys who felt the same way.

God, I hate you.

>>3978758
Elaborate on what the problem is then, please. We both love boys, we just have different expressions for that love. I don't know why this idea of boy love without eroticism or sexuality upsets you. Is it because I'm confident in my heterosexuality but also have a strong, platonic love for boys? Is it because I'm a "tourist" even though I've been here for a number of years now?

>>3978758
why are you so butthurt over such a minor thing kek

>>3978763
>>3978780
This thread is 99 percent you talking to yourself.

There's nothing more pure than the love between siblings.

>>3978296
This, because as we all know, faggots are absolutely NOT hypersexual gossip freaks with multiple psychological disorders, nah, they're exactly as they appear on my goyimTV commercials! Go take your PrEP and fuck off our thread.

>>3979404
I can't believe how many mental breakdowns the mere existence of this thread has caused. They act like they don't have the entire rest of this board to be gaycel losers on to their hearts content

If you use a term like Shota in the title, your intentions are clear, you just camouflage them, even if you add Straight. Every Shota is male, and Shota by definition means attraction to young boys.

>>3979420
"Shota" from my understanding when used by your average Japanese person just refers to a "cute young boy," regardless whether they have a sexual attraction or not. We don't have proper distinctions or terms for people who have an affinity for cute boys, be that a sexual interest or a more normal interest like brotherly love.

>>3979404
>>3979409
I don't mind debate. I just wish people would actually be open to the idea that guys can be straight while still having having an interest in boys and boyhood.

>>3979422
are you japanese? or living in japan ?

>>3979423
No

MODS

im gay

>>3979425
Why?

>>3979249
True

There's so much I miss about my childhood. I think everything just feel more free and open, and I didn't know how horrifying the adult world was because that wasn't my responsibility yet. It was easy to make friends and to start the day with little worry. Now I can't even afford to have kids. All I wanted in life was to have a son that could have had everything in the world. Guess that'll just be a dream for now.

>>3979890
I wish the concept of being gay never existed so I could interact with and show affection towards cute boys without people thinking I'm the next Jerry Sandusky. It's weird how people can't seem to understand the concept of finding someone beautiful without wanting to have sex with them.

>>3979997
This is part of such a larger problem. In part this is because we live in a completely psychotic, gynocratic and sexually-obsessed society irreversibly poisoned by identity politics and individualism, which considers every relationship and bonding interaction through the lens of shallow carnal desire, while at the same time collectively reaching insane levels of paranoid hysteria towards the slightest hints of pedophilia, problematic age gaps and imbalanced power dynamics between individuals.

I am convinced that the simultaneous conflagration of this underage moral panic while exalting completely degenerate behaviors in adults under the guise of personal freedom, secular culture and laissez-faire is leading to insane mental friction in people, translating into a low-grade mass hyteria and the complete sheltering and mind-breaking of an entire generation. Paired with the collective giving up of parents as to how to raise their young and the rise of screen addictions at an early age, young people will be left with no coping mechanisms of their own, abhorrent social skills and no clue as to how to interact with their elders in any capacity whatsoever.

All of this intersects with deeply engrained generational issues that are impossible to root out, and the scope of which is impossible to properly describe in such a post. In short the gravity of the situation is simply too severe to comprehend and I fear that we are witnessing an irreversible breakdown in the way that people communicate with one another, at least in the West. The Internet has made us lonelier than ever, the feeling of community is at an all times low and young people have simply no other frame of reference with which to build their resilience against this. We are basically tearing apart the very fabric of social existence in real time, and there is simply no available means to mend it in time. This is what a civilizational death spiral looks like.

>>3980001
>In part this is because we live in a completely psychotic, gynocratic and sexually-obsessed society irreversibly poisoned by identity politics and individualism, which considers every relationship and bonding interaction through the lens of shallow carnal desire, while at the same time collectively reaching insane levels of paranoid hysteria towards the slightest hints of pedophilia, problematic age gaps and imbalanced power dynamics between individuals.
Couldn't have said it better myself. To add on to what this anon >>3979997 was saying; platonic love seems to be a forgotten expression. I'm absolutely certain that being an adult male and being in this thread would out me as a creep to almost all normies. The average person can't comprehend or understand why someone like me would want to return to his boyhood or why I'm so fixated on the goodness, beauty, and social problems facing boys today. "He must be some sort of pervert," they think. They can't comprehend what my childhood boy friends meant to me, and how those friends gave me my most intimate, vulnerable relationships I ever had both physically and emotionally.
AFAIK, Japan doesn't have the hypersensitivity to seeing social interactions as sexual like Westerners do, even though their culture is very sexual in other ways. It's why onsen culture can exist and be a place for boys to be themselves, enjoying each other's company and taking pleasure in their one body without fear or shame. That space is for friends and family much like the Finnish sauna. Pushing sex or sexuality onto a behavior or experience only puts barriers or limits to friendships; for boys that's "no homo," or sarcastically saying "that's gay." A boy can't just casually hug his best friend or even share a mutual, loving embrace for an extended period of time anymore without having a qualifier to emphasize that what they're doing isn't "gay."

>>3979997
>>3980001
Stop infiltrating cute/Male and go to cute

>>3979424
i have enough knowledge of Japanese culture to know that it's true.

>>3980018
I couldn't agree more anon. I find it fascinating that such ideas have the ability to cause so much mental anguish to both normies and gay shotacons alike. The insecurity these people must feel on a daily basis is quite staggering.

>>3980042
Rent free. I wish you the best in life anon, maybe one day you can aknowledge that different people may enjoy the same thing in distinct ways.

>>3980042
You know you can hide this thread, right? And why would we go to /c/ when this thread is about cute boys?

>>3980073
>>3980076
if you are so straight go to cute and stop infiltrating cute male

>>3980088
>/cm/ is for 2D male work-safe images. Images should depict animated males and be cute in nature

Which is precisely what this thread contains. Get your head out of your own ass and move on

>>3980088
Have you even been reading the thread at all? LMAO

>>3980095
you are a tourist, if you are so sure you are straight go to cute, but you wont do that

>>3980100
You keep coming back for some reason. Could you please just explain why you hate this thread and what we're talking about in particular?

>>3980104
>>3980098
idk why you get the need to invade a thread called cute male that was never meant with good intentions, you are a tourist and a colonizer, you have threads like cute or otaku culture

>>3980107
>Colonizer
Hey now, I love brown shota.

>>3980073
>I couldn't agree more anon. I find it fascinating that such ideas have the ability to cause so much mental anguish to both normies and gay shotacons alike. The insecurity these people must feel on a daily basis is quite staggering.
Forgot to mention this in my last post, but I remember Desmond Morris coining the term "tie signs," which is a behavior or signal people use to show their relationship status with another person (holding hands in public, having a loved one's name tattooed on their body, etc.). Again, it's frustrating how the simple act of holding hands is considered a "public display of affection" when in places like Turkey, Brazil, and in several Middle Eastern countries you'll see boys greet each other with a kiss on the lips and hold hands as they walk together. Christian Europeans were the same way in the Medieval period, with males able to share the same bed, kiss one another, and wear each other's clothing without the "sin of Sodom" attached to their behavior. I can't say for certain when we decided that we had to be so performative about our heterosexuality and masculinity, to the point that the "lone wolf" stereotype is treated as a virtue instead of something to be ridiculed. It's a shame, and I feel so sorry for boys who love their best friends but can't express it anymore without some sort of knee-jerk reaction of being weird, clingy, or gay.

>>3980104
>>3980098
atie1225

>>3978296
olympic level darvotardation, incredible shit. miller should make you undersec of his wife's vagina for having the guts to lobotomize yourself in front of us like this again and again and again

>>3980001
>West
>civilizational death spiral
Some of what you describe is actually heightened in East Asia despite its vastly different cultural millieu
I would say that, looking at Chinese and Korean society, the West is actually better off
>irreversibly poisoned by identity politics
All politics since Babylon has been identity politics on some level, intentionally exclusivist or otherwise.
The only politics that are specifically not are the universalist hypermodernities of capitalism and socialism.
Complaining at all about identity politics is a hypermodernism
>under the guise of personal freedom, secular culture and laissez-faire
Embarrassing phrasing; absolute shit diction.
Wdym "guise"?
Why are you even doubting these as justifications? Are they not simply the logical extreme of ideologies which you, to begin with, already fundamentally contest? Why not contest them directly on that basis?
And why do you say the same thing basically twice, just the 2nd time needlessly in French?
>insane levels of paranoid hysteria
In 2025?
Anon, be serious: that was an a largely online phenomenon with little mainstream penetration. In the real world, it's fairly (and increasingly, because 2025) uncommon to get CallMeCarson'd: the kids who actually leave the house tend to take after their parents' liberal sex positivism. The whole puriteens thing was mostly a moral panic online GenX/Y libs astroturfed into existence because the kids are too online and too living-with-their-parents to be having as much sex as grandma did. Also, the millennizoomer concern about power dynamics that you're whining about is, to begin with, primarily indicative of a reversal in youth culture from the GenX-millennial lib-individualism that you're also whining about. Do you even know what you're supposed to be complaining about, anon, or are you just playing some kind of sociology madlibs here? I hope you are, it'd be more dignified

>>3980449
>primarily indicative
Sorry, that's "would be primarily indicative"

>>3976922
otuming0202
Pixiv ID 1061106

>>3977084
Genuinely do not understand all of you people.
I was an allegedly cute child, and cannot imagine going back.
Back to what, dullness and ignorance? Being a kid was so boring, and my emotions were all over the place.
And I like my hairy man tits, I like being actually able to make people laugh despite not being that cute anymore. I like actually knowing shit about the world and being able to watch horror movies without wanting to die and being able to type at 80 wpm, it's the coolest

>>3979437
tommmmieee

This artist I'm following has improved since I last saw their work

>>3977686
asuka5150_

>>3977497
odenkong

>>3980463
I think you're reading some of these posts too literally. Some anons were talking about desiring the experience of boyhood while others want to go back to a time where friendship felt more intimate and vulnerable. It just so happens that a lot of these feelings correlate with boyhood and boy friendships that are not seen in adulthood or even adult relationships.

closet case containment thread

>>3980550
How about you go back to the main shota thread with the rest of the trannie pedophiles?

>>3976259
This is mentally ill

>>3980869
Intimate friendship between boys is mentally ill? You're sure you're on the right board?

>>3980869
Go back to your gay safe space.

>>3980544
>others want to go back to a time where friendship felt more intimate and vulnerable
>that are not seen in adulthood or even adult relationships
I think this is why guys tend to join clubs, or form tight-knit circles around hobbies. Sometimes they gather for nerdy shit like computers, sometimes it's for activities like gaming and sports, sometimes it's for the enjoyment of media, but what they all have in common is that they're groups where guys can just do things together and be comfortable being social again. The ones that most stereotypically resemble what you're talking about are fitness clubs, because the guys there tend to be more touchy-feely and openly supportive. I think it's because men are most comfortable being vulnerable around people who have a shared goal, but since most people don't understand that anymore this is something that's hard to get without putting effort into it, even from your girlfriend or wife. That's just my theory, though.

>>3981176
>The ones that most stereotypically resemble what you're talking about are fitness clubs, because the guys there tend to be more touchy-feely and openly supportive.
I've found that boys are very open and emotionally honest with themselves and each other, regardless whether they're in sports or not. I think it's something we as boys sort of understand is important - we haven't been socially conditioned yet to behave a certain way as children, although the conditioning and expectations of masculinity are still there.
>I think it's because men are most comfortable being vulnerable around people who have a shared goal, but since most people don't understand that anymore this is something that's hard to get without putting effort into it, even from your girlfriend or wife. That's just my theory, though.
This is true, there's just some things that men/boys get that women can't really understand. You don't see women bantering with each other or goofin' around, if that makes sense. Even the shy or bookish boy still loves play-wrestling and making crude jokes with his friends.

>>3981176
I mean I want to agree but like most guys are normies who don't value friendship and a lot of normie women don't value dating or relationships. Even with the hobbies you mentioned most normies will only be around out of convenience rather than actually wanting to spend time with you...

>>3981208
People have been socially engineered to be hyper-individualistic and competitive against each other. 100 years ago people were more affectionate and kind towards total strangers than a lot of modern people are towards their own flesh and blood.

>>3981208
I've seen old-timey photos of men hugging and touching each other affectionately. That used to be normal for close friends. The reason that's not the case anymore is partly >>3981221 and partly because women started seeing male friends as a threat and started gay-shaming men for every little thing. That's where the guys who come in here not understanding the concept of liking shotas non-sexually come from. We've also been eroding our cultural trust in each other since the early 1900s. Honestly it's spooky how many problems we have in the West whose roots first became visible during either the onset of feminism or the French Revolution.

Even today, though, men are sometimes very close and intimate with one another, but it's usually under a very specific circumstance. I've had some veteran friends tell me that there's no bond closer than the bond between two men who have served in combat together.

>>3981227
Agreed 100%. It's honestly frustrating how we have so many anons here that are able to explain what shota means to us and how we're able to be straight and care about boys, but other anons will just close us off and call us "closeted." Am I seriously suppose to believe that there was "homoerotic tension" between me and my best friend? I wish hugging and holding hands was more socially acceptable between boys because then I could have physically expressed how much he meant to me. I was limited to communicating that love with just words, time, and close physical proximity, all with a shield or barrier that read "no homo." He meant the world to me and I feel like had we had the chance to share our closeness in a physical sense, maybe our relationship wouldn't have ended the way it did.

>>3981457
I think a lot of it is because of neo-Freudianism. By that I don't mean I think Freud did anything wrong - despite his reputation, he's done a lot of good for the field of psychology. But because he misinterpreted some of his data, and regular people also misinterpreted his work, a lot of people have come to believe that there's a sexual charge to any degree of intimacy whatsoever. People like to make fun of Freud for this, but paradoxically his theories have seen a resurgence in popularity in the past 40 years or so. It's only gotten worse as society has continued to stigmatize sexuality to increasing extremes and project it everywhere. Honestly, people wonder why the Japanese are so brazen about sexual humor, but when you look at where radical puritanism has gotten us, particularly in America, it seems perfectly obvious that we're the weirdos and not them. That's not even getting into how much damage the concept of toxic masculinity has caused.

>>3981468
I haven't read Freud yet,. although I'm familiar with what you're talking about. I quoted Niobe Way earlier in the thread as her work looks as masculinity from the perspective of boys and what they desire and how they feel, revealing that proving one's heterosexuality and masculinity is something that's been pushed onto us rather than something we naturally are inclined to do. Similarly both Desmond Morris and James W. Prescott noted that our need for human connection and intimacy doesn't disappear or vanish with age or "maturity," (like a lot of manosphere influencers will have you believe) it just evolves. We're social creatures, naked apes that still need to be cared for and socialized with our kin. Ultimately I'm glad we had people like Harlow help us recognize the importance of touch and emotional bonding - how without love we become violent, mentally ill, fearful, and anxious. This is why we need boys to be boys again and to let them be who they are without restraint or judgment.

The type of man that would rather have a daughter instead of a son makes me sick

>>3981556
I know I definitely would have preferred to have a son and give him the life and experiences I never got to have. But everything is getting increasingly more difficult and so I've resigned to celibacy. I've gotten over the grief process and accepted I'll never start a family, especially with where I'm at now in life. Most I can do is live with what I have to the fullest.

Question for the anons here. How do we introduce these ideas we're discussing for our normie straight brothers out there? Do you think most normie guys out there would be repulsed by what we're talking about, or would they join if they have similar stories and share the same feelings we do?

>>3981591
There is no anons. It's just you and you alone. You've spent the last month talking to yourself. Get help. Please get help and leave this board.

>>3981592
So all 172 of these posts (including the posts complaining about this thread's existence) have all been me? Dang man, what a psyop.

>>3980550
I'm honestly glad he's quarantined here to schizo post.
The main thread has been so fucking peaceful since he made this little hidey hole to talk to himself in.

>Anon can't refute or argue against anything I've said
>Gets butthurt and tells me to leave ("tourist," "this is cute male")
>Doesn't work
>Resorts to a conspiracy that I'm the only poster here
Lol, lmao even.

>>3981774
Someone told me once that dishonest people think everyone else is like them. I don't know if I'm what you'd call an honest man, but I think they were right.

>>3981781
It's a lot like object permanence. Straight guys can't exist on /cm/ because they can't see them (or choose to not see them). Straight anons just disappear. But these anons will have to acknowledge that shota doesn't belong to them, and that there's more to shota/boy love than just distasteful, selfish lewd fantasies. I'm optimistic.

>>3976537
What?? I am happy has hell I'm not a boy anymore. Everything about being a child is awful, you have no way to defend yourself.