There's cartoons with action in them but no actual action cartoons with a focus on adventure, animated set pieces, and violence.
Entire genre feels lean/bone dry depending on what you consider, like Madness Combat is definitively an action cartoon but idk is Monkey Wrench or NuDucktales an action cartoon?
And it cant just be that there's no market for action cartoons cuz like John Wick exists which is just as action heavy as the movies of the 80s and 90s and people fucking love John Wick, what gives? Kids not buying enough toys for kids cartoons?

2008 financial crisis making studios averse to investment in things that weren't cheap to produce.

>>149093996
While that is true at the same time a lot of animated projects of the last decade feel super indulgent to their creators like OK KO, Steven Universe and Helluva Boss/Hazbin Hotel all are heavily creator focused to the appeals of Ian James Quartey, Rebecca Sugar and Viviane. You can't only say risk of development. Like Primal for instance and Unicorn Warriors Eternal feel like throwbacks to a whole genre of cartoons that just, don't really show up anymore. I guess there's also Netflix Castlevania but those appear to distance themselves from the term cartoon by calling them "anime" even though thats just the japanese word for cartoon.

>>149093992 (OP)
Too expensive to produce.

>>149094210
arent cgi cartoons more expensive than animation? like you can have action cartoons too, that are CGI, trollhunters was pretty recent desu?

>>149093992 (OP)
Space Conan

>>149093992 (OP)
They cost money. Only cheap cartoons can exist now.

>>149094030
Yes and those shows are cheap to produce. Action shows are expensive because actually decent fight sequences are expensive and then the audience expects the rest of the show to at least look decent. Follow the dollar bills anon.

>>149094289
huh, I see the similarity now
>>149094300
>>149094323
well yeah but what about passion projects? like is really the best example of a action cartoon madness combat, a throwback to the pre 2010 internet made by a deranged man who nothing but shoot guns, work out, watch action flicks and animate in a dead program discontinued years after its prime really the best example we have for an entire genre? You'd think there'd be more people interested given an entire generation
was raised on them

>>149094384
Don't be stupid. Nobody has passion anymore. Their goal in life these days is simply to do what everybody wants, get paid for their obedience, and ultimately conform to status-quo.

>>149094405
honestly real, god i gotta get better at art.

>>149093992 (OP)
Video games and the MCU. The best action animators of the last 20 years are cutting their teeth in games not TV. Artists capable of drawing and directing action shows go into feature and advertising storyboards or get promoted into non-drawing jobs and running CG kids shows. Everyone wants action cartoons but can’t get the necessary funding.

>>149093992 (OP)
There's a subtlety to late 90s-early 00s action/adventure animation like this and like a good amount of anime as well. Feels darker, sharper and more dynamic. The industry doesn't seem to want to let this stuff get produced anymore, and the attitudes of current day animators seems to be more geared to "cutesy" stuff as well. No clue what the curriculum is for western animation schools but they aren't sending their best anymore. Maybe it's cost cutting, maybe it's a culture shift, maybe both. Fun while it lasted, though.

>>149094470
Being fair video games have better monetization models so i dont blame them. You can only get a subscription model and maybe some ads or a flat purchase for television than reoccurring cosmetic purchases and shit like battle passes with retaining retention.

>>149094515
the guy who did this also did aeon flux so he has a good reputation behind him

>>149094258
CGI has a high overhead but is cheaper for cranking out more material long term, plus it’s a more common skill set these days.

>>149093992 (OP)
Masculinity is problematic. Now everything must be about feelings and the villains must be misunderstood victims.

>>149094568
every time i hear a cgi project it always tends to have a stupidly bloated budget fro some reason though compared to just hand drawn animation

>>149093992 (OP)
If you want action cartoons you watch anime. It's been that way since the dawn of time. Even "action" cartoons of the 80s 90s and 2000s have shit actual action scenes compared to anime

>>149094791
being fair i dont like a lot of anime because they tend to go full retard with how they animate some shit. like luffy gear five with people chimping out over SOO CLEAAAN HOLY SAKUGA and its like just flashing lights and colors. Like dont get me wrong i love badass explosions and rapid fights but like if i cant tell whats going on youve lost me in an action sequence and a lot of anime falls into the trap of being visual noise without any flow. Like I love dragon ball for that type of shit. super lost me because the chorography and staging is kinda fucking bad

>>149094598
You are probably not hearing of the other times it goes smoothly enough.

>>149093992 (OP)
They still exist. Streaming services just label them as anime now instead of cartoons, like the Castlevania netflix shows.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ml2Cjouwk0M

>>149093992 (OP)
Girl power killed them

>>149093992 (OP)
There are, they're just fucking awful.

>>149093992 (OP)
It's mainly two things
The lack of ambition and the lack of a reliable way to make money from it
Everyone just wants to do cartoons about non-action related stuff or don't have a history of doing action. Action shows are also too scary and too complicated to produce. They require skilled workers which are a lot harder to find and recruit especially in the western world.

I've been saying this a lot lately, but the western animation industry can really benefit from doing more animated adaptations; they already found the winning formula with the YA trend and superhero media. You do adaptations for money and then you use the money you made from that to fund original projects. And the west seems to have somewhat gotten the clue, but it's with video game adaptations instead.
The anime industry keeps itself alive by doing this btw

>>149093992 (OP)
A consortium of people with small hats destroyed them for appealing to boys, and replaced it with cheaply made boring melodramatic feminine slop.

>>149095069
>I've been saying this a lot lately, but the western animation industry can really benefit from doing more animated adaptations; they already found the winning formula with the YA trend and superhero media. You do adaptations for money and then you use the money you made from that to fund original projects. And the west seems to have somewhat gotten the clue, but it's with video game adaptations instead.

The problem is that American "adaptation" mindset is inherently flawed and leads to unsuccessful products that squander the IP they paid for. Japan's industries make adaptations that are largely faithful to their source material, with changes to that source material largely being attempts to elevate the material with the new medium as opposed to outright rewriting the story.

American adaptations where anyone involved has even READ the source material are painfully rare. It is unfortunately much, much more common for hollywood to "adapt" something by buying the rights to the name, telling a room of writers to come up with a story they think fits that name and general premise, and then forcing in a handful of scenes taken from the original just to include in the trailers. For the most dishonest examples you get things like the live action Ghost in the Shell movie, which spent all of this money on CGI in order to make things *look* like GITS... but the script they used was LITERALLY a discarded script that was rejected from the Robocop remake three years earlier which they just chopped up and editted some GITS content and references into and said "good enough".
You can make money off of movies made that dishonestly with a bait and switch, because as long as people don't learn that the movie sucks until after opening weekend they have already made their money. But you can't do a show like that, because people will realize that the show sucks long before it is over and it will flop.

>>149094384
>well yeah but what about passion projects?

Who is going to fund these passion projects? Cartoons come from America and American cartoon producers only care about making kiddy shity in order to sell shitty toys and McDonald's food.

What I'll say about modern action cartoons is they have no staying power. Like Netflix has had a bunch of action cartoons disguised as anime and no one gives a flying fuck about them. They just get sucked into the ether. /co/ doesn't care. r/cartoons don't give a fuck. anime fans don't care. they must just be slop. you'd expect there to be more hidden gems being discovered. but nope.

>>149094470
>their teeth in games
Really? Are there any video games made in the last 5 years with really great action cutscenes?

>>149095225
its because you keep labelling them as anime and people who are into cartoons wont care and people who are into anime know its western made and dont care.

>>149094907
But there are still more with good choreography to enjoy, way more than cartoons. Also big action directors, like for example Koike Takeshi(the guy that made redline) are still making stuff. He is releasing a new lupin movies in 2 weeks and the previous ones had fantastic choreography. The flashy colors shit seems to be a problem for battle shounen only.

>>149095225
The problem there is the fact that they are streaming shows and they drop in batches.
The netflix action cartoons are not especially bad, some of them are good. Blue Eye Samurai is excellent. But they get so little advertising that most people don't even know they exist, and then they drop onto the platform all at once and its a one and done flash in the pan. Unless it blows up into a big sensation *immediately*, its already missed its chance because there is nothing to drive discussion and keep it int he public consciousness. And the chances of it blowing up to that level of popularity are low, because its in direct competition with everything else that dropped onto streaming within a week of it.

Nothing is given the support it needs to build an audience and grow organically. Its just a constant shotgun of new media in the hopes that something will stick by pure luck.

>>149095260
Blue Eye Samurai is boring shit.
Netflix really sucks at everything. Literally all of their productions are trash.

There's still action cartoons around these days it's just nobody likes them
Invincible
Dmc
Arcane
Pantheon
Rick and morty

>>149095413
Pantheon has been over for years.

>>149095455
But did op watch it
Also watch lastman and wakfu

>>149095000
Checked.
This shit was being promoted here and you got banned if you complained or breathed a bad word for it. Good to see it ate dirt.

>>149095260
You make a good point in that these shows only have one shot to make an impression. A number of action cartoons I got into as a kid, i saw as reruns. And they ran for months out of the year. Very hard for a show to find a second chance on streaming services.

>>149095477
>anon got banned for talking about a cartoon
Something tells me you're making shit up. Provide a screenshot of the ban

One pattern I notice with these modern action cartoons is that they are more "mature", more "violent", but a lot less interesting.
The characters and plots just don't grab me, I've yet to see a really cool villain in modern anything, not just a cartoon and the fight scenes are more "animesque" but rarely feel authentic. Invincible is a great example of the latter. Fights somehow lack tension despite all the gore and violence.

>>149095000
I liked this show, it would fit in just fine in 2007, when every kids show has lots of fighting

>>149095545
In 2007 the MC would've been a badass boy you fucking faggot

>>149095496
Nigga I don't cap my bans.

>>149093992 (OP)
Activists and leftists happened. They infest the entertainment industry and they have no life experience to draw upon so they can't even tell a compelling story. They go straight from their coddled life in college to try to produce things, leading to nearly everything they produce being childish, and full of anime references from Dragon Ball Z and sailor moon.

>>149094791
This is an unfortunate black-pill. We can talk about how cool BTAS and Gargoyles were, but the second a lot of us saw Dragon Ball or the flashy visuals of other action anime, and all the action in the American shows just looked so much more restrained or boring in comparison

>>149095734
Yes there was no one who leaned left in animation prior to the 2010s. Lmao.

>>149095761
I personally do not care for flashy shit. It's gay and looks fucking stupid.
Nobody animating fight scenes has ever been in a real fight, so they can't make something that feels believable. This goes for both west and east.
The right balance between flashy martial arts shit and actual fighting is found in cinema (Oldboy being the most mainstream and banal example), but animators don't draw inspiration from cinema. They draw from other animation creating an incestuous relationship where no fight scene ever looks good.

>>149095528
> Invincible is a great example of the latter. Fights somehow lack tension despite all the gore and violence.

Oh thats easy. Invincible's fights can't have tension because that would require the fights to make sense. We would need a consistent world around Mark such that we can roughly anticipate "If A, then B" and thus recognize what it looks like when Mark is winning vs what it looks like when Mark is losing.
But every fight Mark is in that lasts longer than 10 seconds plays out exactly the same: Mark is explicitly faster and stronger than the last time he fought something that was Viltruminite-tier, and whatever he is fighting now still beats him to a gory pulp with casual ease because he is only JUST barely strong enough to keep up, not strong enough to win, until the last few seconds of the fight where the bad guy just sort of gives up and Mark beats them to death/near death in an uninterrupted fit of rage.
Why is Earth full of random criminals that can punch holes through Viltrumites? Is Earth just extremely OP and an invasion of Earth by every Viltrumite alive at once would fail hilariously because random mafia goons can 1v1 them? No. Whats happening is that, like bad video game balance, everyone Mark fights just automatically scales to his level. This makes the fights very formulaic, and as soon as your brain notices this the fights because *pointless* because the 8 minutes of gory people-pulping violence that happen across the battle has ZERO IMPACT on the outcome of the fight, which will just be "and then Mark gets mad and smashes the guy's head in, despite not being able to hurt him at all 5 minutes ago".

>>149095869
>Nobody animating fight scenes has ever been in a real fight, so they can't make something that feels believable. This goes for both west and east.

Real fights are boring. Most real fights are over in less than 6 seconds. You can't have both a well choreographed fight and a realistic fight because they are mutually exclusive, real people don't take hits like that without their face becoming burger.

>>149095950
I already told you, balance. Again, cinema (mostly Asian) has achieved it years ago.
Fights that are too stylized are also extremely boring because they have zero ground in reality and therefore lack tension.
It's why I can't stand majority of shonenshit, the fight scenes are so boring and childish.

>>149096219
I think the perfect combination is to be found in early Dragon Ball and pre Shippuden Naruto, where there was enough hand to hand combat to feel grounded and a mix of flashy powers so neither overwhelms the other. Powerscaling stuff generally ruins this balance later.

>>149095869
>ut animators don't draw inspiration from cinema. They draw from other animation creating an incestuous relationship where no fight scene ever looks good.
>has never watched cowboy bebop
Faggot.

>>149095869
There are boxing anime that are inspired by real boxing. You don't know what you are talking about.

>>149096776
>Cowboy Bebop
>non shit fight scenes
Lol.
Lmao.
Fuck off with your overrated gay garbage.
>>149096817
I said a fight, not a sport. Retard.

>>149096835
You absolute fucking brainless retard. I countered your post with an anime that is literally inspired by cinema, you failed abortion.

>>149096845
And that did not relate to fight scenes at all, you absolute dumb fuck which was the actual topic, you moronic waste of organs.
Subhuman, hope your whole family gets butchered and fed to dogs.

>>149096855
>nd that did not relate to fight scenes at all,
You said that no anime are inspired by cinema you illiterate brown subhuman which is wrong. Now keep coping. Also, it is related to fights because the fights in CB take a lot from cinema.
>Subhuman, hope your whole family gets butchered and fed to dogs.
Nice job projecting your family's destiny lmao.

>>149096885
IN. RELATION. TO. FIGHTS.
You illiterate dumb fuck.
And "borrowing from cinema" part was specifically about the treading the ground of realism in fights and not being boring like GOOD ACTION FILMS DO so it's not about "well ackshyully it does take from cinema" like your worthless dumb ass tried to pull. But you like to ignore context because you're a dumb fuck butthurt your gay little cartoon got insulted.
And no, that doesn't change the fact that the fights in your shitty anime made by fags with no actual combat experience. It's the same goofy wacky shit for underage limp-wristed faggots like yourself.
>projecting
I don't give a shit, but you do since you were butthurt enough to try to pull a "no u". Who do you love the most? Hope that person gets gangraped by a pack of future NASA scientists.
>brown
Now this is actual projection.

>>149096995
>IN. RELATION. TO. FIGHTS.
And I am posting something that has fights you absolute moron.
>And "borrowing from cinema" part was specifically about the treading the ground of realism in fights
And CB does that by taking inspiration from asian movies as well you absolute worthless motherfucker. You are so retarded, it's insane.
>And no, that doesn't change the fact that the fights in your shitty anime made by fags with no actual combat experience
Your cope is so funny. Give me an example of a CB fight and tell me what's wrong with it.
>n-no you
>writing his rape fantasies
Yep, now I am 100% sure you are not only brown but your family has been raped as well kek.

>>149095782
NTA but I'd definitely argue that while you're right, they knew their fucking place and didn't let their ideological leanings be an overriding obsession that had to be injected even in the most petty ways as some kind of religious obedience to it.

>>149093992 (OP)
We just has the He-Man cartoon on Netflix

>>149095921
I think another thing is the writers have no fucking clue how to sell what they want you to buy either or are just retarded and have no idea how things look.

I noticed at the time that for all their talk, when you look at what objectively is actually happening, Mark was at the absolutely least ultimately evenly matched with or slightly stronger than Conquest, and if Eve hadn't interrupted he probably would have just fucking beaten Conquest anyway beause IIRC at that point he had the advantage was was starting to dogwalk him until she interfered and then accomplished basically nothing because her "skin him" laser did dick fuck all and Mark just went right back to beating the fuck out of him like he was before she'd showed up.

>>149097024
>And I am posting something that has fights you absolute moron.
So you're a context-illiterate fucking idiot. Shut the fuck up, you retarded fucking monkey.
>more context illiteracy
Literally subhuman
>hurr durr what's wrong with fights that look and feel nothing like actual fights (which is the entire point, but you're too retarded to get it and chimping out because your shitty cartoon got insulted)
Just slit your throat already. Fags like you are why I'm cheering when another catastrophe hits Japan.
>brownie mad
LMAO. Every accusation is a confession with you.

>>149094258
>arent cgi cartoons more expensive than animation?
No. Benefit of CGI is that the most time-consuming part is modeling and rigging the characters but once that part is done, animation is a breeze compared to traditional style. In traditional animation you draw the same character hundreds if not thousands of times. It doesn't matter how good you as an artist, its still going to take a long time. And its the time requirement which makes traditional style more expensive to make.

>>149093992 (OP)
Getting rid of toonami, anime, and most importantly action blocks throughout the later half of the 00s. Western action animation was having a breakthrough because there was a lot of interest. Once the primary source of interest ceased to exist it fizzled out.

>>149095869
Ehh, I don't think animation should be purely aiming to emulate real life fights, there's nothing wrong with some spectacle, the issue is when the spectacle covers up the actual animation.
Seeing two light trails clashing and flying all over the screen isn't impressive or interesting, there needs to be focus on how the characters move during the fight, which requires a lot more time, effort, and skill.
Honestly, I remember when stick fights were super big and popular, I was kind of hoping they'd end up having more influence on western action shows, but it's a lot harder to animate an actual person than it is to animate a stick figure, so it's understandable that you can't really emulate a lot of that super well-done choreography and fast-paced action in "real" television animation.

>>149097381
Maybe they shouldn't be completely realistic, but they at least should at least feel somewhat like it. Look, what I'm trying to say is that most fight scenes I see nowadays are overly choreographed glorified dance scenes. They're not chaotic, they're not conveying rage or hatred between the opponents. The fights are supposed to be messy and dangerous. Instead they feel like they follow a script (which they do, but it shouldn't be this obvious). You can have a little bit of flashiness, but for me at least most of the time it's very distracting.

>>149097446
Hell, I'd be happy if armor served a function beyond fancy dress and fantasy sword fights weren't just smacking blades together.

>>149093992 (OP)
Aside from the financial climate, I think there's some kind of neurotic aversion to violence in the industry.

Risk Averse Executives + Financial Climate + Pervading Belief that Animation is for Children/Adult-Oriented Animation is for Stoners = No action cartoons.

>>149097163
>So you're a context-illiterate fucking idiot
Are you retarded? I posted an anime that has fights inspired by asian cinema just like the ones you've named you fucking subhuman.
>no argument
Just kill yourself, pajeet.
>hurr durr what's wrong with fights that look and feel nothing like actual fights
Explain how they look and feel nothing like actual fights.
>n-no you
Mindbroken brown.

>>149097751
Thats funny because America loves violence in their media.

>>149097799
Here, moron. Let me make things very VERY simple for your tiny monkey brain.
>fight scenes are bad because people making them have never been in a real fight and can never convey what it feels like properly (AKA the original point)
>cinema found the proper balance of realistic and stylized fight scenes
>you, being a worthless piece of shit that you are, jump with your shitty overrated reddit show under the assumption "he mentioned Asian cinema, clearly he means all of it and not specific examples my gay reddit show has absolutely nothing to do with"
>now you're seething because you're rightfully called a low-IQ mongoloid with nothing to live for and shit for brains, might as well suicide
Simple enough for you, subhuman? I don't know how I can make it any simpler. Babyspeak maybe?
Now shut the fuck up and stop embarrassing yourself you braindead subhuman. And slash your wrists, not like anybody's gonna mourn you lmao.
>p-pajeet
>b-brown
Every accusation is a confession.

>>149097751
With the success of Invincible you'd think there would be more ripoffs. American audiences crave blood and violence even when it's animated.

>>149097751
Violence and villains. Both are related because they're a part of the same "aversion to adversity".
I legit can't name a single good villain in 10 or more years.

>>149093992 (OP)
kids stopped buying toys

>>149097854
Kys retard

>>149097854
>>cinema found the proper balance of realistic and stylized fight scenes
And I posted one.
>not specific examples
Nice backtracking you absolute retard. You said "but animators don't draw inspiration from cinema. " Everyone has seen your post you, low iq retard. But I will play your low iq test. Now tell me which "specific examples" are you talking about and tell me how they are better than Enter the Dragon, one of the Cb inspirations.
>more meaningless cope and n-no you
You got angry because I called you a failed abortion and now you keep coping kek.
>Every accusation is a confession.
So you admit that you are a mongoloid as well? Lol.

>>149093992 (OP)
>>149095921

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qNTmT177Edo


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OHJHfEWAMyo&pp=ygUQaHhoIGdvbiB2cyBoYW56bw%3D%3D


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Txl2imn11bM&t=38s&pp=ygUNZ29uIHZzIGhpc29rYQ%3D%3D


https://youtu.be/x7ClCnalUqM?si=nlUjSmWEsDWwG_Tb

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1vEeQ-vGrgY&pp=ygUQc3Bpa2UgdnMgdmluY2VudA%3D%3D


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=STXY0zqSUAI

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UsFg1TSOIKU&pp=ygUlZ2hvc3QgaW50aGUgc2hlbGwgc3RhbmQgYWxvbmUgY29tcGxleA%3D%3D


Thinking about how my brother kept getting on my case for watching anime on the family computer and them he'd turn around and watch Naruto on it.


Then he'd later watch Gurren Lagann behind my back when dping homework

>>149097885
But toys are for children and you're a big boy now. Please ignore the fact that we make these things for children to buy.

anybody saying anime killed action cartoons is a retarded weeb, pardon the redundancy.
anime and cartoons are perfectly capable of coexisting. we know this because they did during the 2000s and early 2010s. kids don’t care where there entertainment comes from, as long as it’s good.

>>149097171
>No
Show me ONE 2D movie as expensive as a 3D one. Just ONE.

>>149098016
You can tell a Euro typed this post.

>>149097893
You first, retard.
>>149097923
>I posted one
LOL HAHAHAHA, shut the fuck up you subhuman weeb.
That garbage is exactly what I'm decrying, a boring glorified dance choreography that has nothing to do with real fights. You'd know the difference if you weren't a pussy and actually been in one.
>backtracking
Nah, moron. Not my fault you're too retarded for context and pick and choose so you could to pretend you even had a point. Just die. And yes, I specifically named one movie that wipes the floor with your shitty cartoon.
>wahh wahh wahh
I don't care about your feelings, go die already.

There's no worse fanbase than redditors who eat up trash like Cowboy Bebop.

>>149098088
>That garbage is exactly what I'm decrying, a boring glorified dance choreography that has nothing to do with real fights.
Post proof of that retard and explain how it has nothing to do with real fights.
> And yes, I specifically named one movie
Just fucking one. One single movie, is that all you have? You said examples, name more. Also Oddboy has been influenced by honk kong movies just like CBs so you are a double retard. Also just for a test, explain why the fights in oldboy(especially the hallway one) are good using your own words and how are they realistic.
>more cope
Come on now.

>>149098016
it's cope from fags that don't want to admit that making all cartoons be about girls was a bad idea

>>149098016
>anime and cartoons are perfectly capable of coexisting. we know this because they did during the 2000s and early 2010s. kids don’t care where there entertainment comes from, as long as it’s good.

You'll notice that your example is pre-streaming. Anime and action cartoons could co-exist when most people still watched television and anime was rare and hard to come by for the majority of audiences (most people didn't torrent).
Action cartoons died off as anime became easily accessible even to normies, because the only thing preventing it from pushing cartoons out of the space before was scarcity.

>>149098205
>all that cope over his shitty gay cartoon
Lmao, just keep crying. Maybe you'll do us all a favor and commit suicide eventually like a worthless loser you are.

>>149098372
>literally 0 arguments
Finally. I knew you would have reached this point since you’ve probably not even watched any of the shit you’ve mentioned. I accept you concession. Now keep seething like the low iq subhuman you are.

>>149098528
>please earnestly engage with a retard who constantly twists your words, it certainly wouldn't be a gigantic waste of time
I'm sorry, I'm not as stupid as you are. Then again, nobody is. You're a very special type of inbdred.
>le accept your concession
Redditor response, but not unexpected from a brown subhuman like you.
>seething like the low iq subhuman you are.
I can't even describe how much I love the absolute irony of that statement considering the bitchfit you're throwing over a shitty cartoon, kek
Now go die, you mongoloid fuck

>>149098575
I’ve asked you to explain the fights and name other examples yet you failed to so. Keep coping but at the end of the day you still ran away like a bitch lmao. So I am asking again, provide examples or fuck off kek. No one cares about your shitty copes and projections.

>>149098601
>the subhuman retard is still crying
Hey, dickwad. Since you're fucking slow, any retard could open Youtube, watch a clip from your gay cartoon than any fucking movie that actually has worthwhile fight scenes and see the difference. Then again, somebody like you aka a sheltered weeb pussy whose "fighting experience" began and ended at getting beaten up for being a cringeworthy faggot at school may not see it.
You being the world's stupidest chucklefuck incapable of basic functioning is not even remotely my problem.

>>149098699
>still no examples
>still no explanatiom
>still doesn’t understand that oldboy and cowboy have common inspirations
>just a wall of seethe
Kek, this is getting boring. For someone that claims to be a “fighter” you sure are running away like a bitch from this fight. I shouldn’t expect more from a low iq subhuman. Humans are simply not equal.

>>149093992 (OP)
Action cartoons are just "Go Die In A War" propaganda.

>WAHHHHHHHHHH MUH GENERIC OVERLY STYLIZED CARTOON FIGHTS ARE TOTALLY LIKE REAL LIFE TELL 'IM MOOOOOOM
You can stop crying like a bitch already.
Here's your fucking explanation; generic flashy martial arts moves have nothing to do with real fighting. It's extremely simple, but a brainlet like yourself keeps crying and failing to comprehend that. You're too retarded to deserve even more than that. All I can say is that I'm happy you're gonna die alone and probably get turned into dog food instead of spawning more worthless pieces of shit.
Also let's just pray Sunrise meets KyoAni's fate, except with even more victims. 36 is too small of a number anyway. Should be a hundred at least.

>>149098929
> generic flashy martial arts moves have nothing to do with real fighting
90% of the CB moves were inspired by cinema. How are they generic and flashy? How are the moves in Oldboy not generic and flashy? Where are the examples? Post a webm with a CB fight and analyze it if you think you know what you are talking about.
>even more angry seething and projection
Lmao, calm down. This is not good for you.

>>149098967
Holy fucking shit, this redditor is genuinely trying to argue that his gay anime is even remotely close to realistic fight scenes.
Fucking worthless clown. I hope you unironically try to get into a real fight thinking it's like in some shitty anime and get beaten to death, maybe even shanked. Would be beneficial for the world's genepool.
>p-p-projection
>s-s-seething
We get it, your brown ass learned some words that sound "smart" (in your tiny mind at least) you can stop now.

>>149099055
>no arguments
>no examples
>no explanations
>just endless seethe
Again and again lol. I think I might have buckbroke you.

Lmao, imagine being such a sheltered, limpwristed pussy that you look at this shit and think it's even even remotely resembles real fights instead of being garish and obnoxiously over the top and flashy choreography exhibitions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7N6MZJQeTg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elQVa5wzAa4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yf48R459HSk
Anybody who genuinely believes this to defend must own dozens of funkos lmao.

>>149099142
These look gorgeous

>>149099142
Once again you’ve provided no commentary. What’s so flashy about them?
>in real life
And the movies which you refuse to name have fights that happen exactly like in real life you buffon? You are so low iq it’s insane. Keep coping like a bitch, I am going to sleep.

>>149098843
Shut up tranny

>>149097171
You are wrong, man

>>149099162
Of course a retard with no taste would think that. Still has nothing to do with real fights.
>>149099180
>what's so flashy about fight scenes
The fact that you even need that explained shows how retarded you are, you inbred ape
You are so painfully retarded, it actively hurts.
>exactly like in real life
Funny, not only you can't comprehend context or understand why a flashy fight scene is flashy, you're illiterate as well. Sucks to be a subhuman like you.
> I am going to sleep.
Hope you wake up in the middle of the night from horrific pain.
Also
>only worthless shitholes has night time right now
Lmao. Explains so much about you.
https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/?sort=2

>>149095577
Juniper Lee? Kim possible? WINX club

>>149099320
>Juniper Lee
Cancelled
>WINX club
For girls only

>>149098300
I think the quality of action cartoons is more to blame. Once ATLA, JLU and some other 00s shows ended, western action cartoons didn't stand a chance. Ben 10 Alien Force, Generator Rex, Steven Universe vs. One Piece, HxH, FMA? It was a wrap.

>>149099479
Probably a bit of column A, bit of column B. Good quality action cartoons stopped being made, but once people had shonen anime to compare against, why would you (as a studio) want to try to compete with that when you could spend the same amount of money making something else instead? Importing battle anime was much cheaper than producing shows that tried to scratch the same itch yourself

People talks about how anime fights are flashy and lack impact but the one thing anime fights have is music. Plenty of awful anime fights become iconic for the cool music. For example, I don't remember a single track from Invincible. It's boring. Meanwhile "Ultimate Battle", "The Power to resist", "Clash of Gods" and others turned the terrible art and animation of the tournament of power of Dragon Ball Super into a worldwide success.

>>149099479
SU isn't that much of an action show

To sum it all up, I don't care, you can't show me your gay Wing Chun shit and expect to be taken seriously.
Fuck it, I hate being the "bring up Star Wars" type, but at this point it's warranted. Lightsaber fights in the original trilogy are better than the flashy weightless shit of prequels and sequels specifically because they feel a lot more real, therefore the tension is more real. You believe they could do serious damage.
It's okay if you want to appeal to children and manchildren, but don't use it as an example of something close to being real.
It doesn't have to be "exactly like real life", but it has to be somewhat close to it. It's why John Wick shit will always be certified reddit bait.
I would prefer if the punches thrown at least feel like they can damage organs and bones rather than if they look like "cool" to a 15-year old but don't really feel like they have any serious impact.
I would prefer if there was no wasted stupid movement to show off how "badass" your character is, it's fucking stupid anyway.
I would prefer if it felt like opponents want to tear others throats out rather than looking like one of those martial arts demonstration videos on Youtube.

>>149099550
Forget DBS, western cartoons still haven't topped Strong and Strike or On the Precipice of Defeat. That's the type of shit that gives you a dopamine injection, severely lacking in western action-oriented animation.

>>149099320
>WINX club
The show was made for girls, the appeal was not in the "fights" but in the fashion and romance.

>>149099550
You are right that anime OST's carry a lot of weight in fights, but thats actually part of a larger phenomenon. Yes, basically no cartoon in the last 20 years has had a memorable track in its show that was not some hipster bullshit played on a ukulele, but even ignoring the quality of the songs in isolation, the sound design in anime sells action and weight like nothing else.

Like, this is from a show about *tracking down tasty food*.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCcvSGKpycg
The ost synching up to the track and then the strings come in to build up tension is great, but the audio design of the hit sells both the power of the blow AND how solid the defense must be to block it.
When was the last time you can remember *hearing* how powerful something was in western animation? If you can't thats probably a good reason why people don't think that action cartoons convey action well: they ignore the audio half of the medium.

>>149099595
Man it’s a good thing that the market doesn’t give a shit about boring guys over 35

>>149099595
What the hell are you talking about? No one here thinks Kung-Fu movies are realistic, but they look cool and can look even cooler animated. Boxing is a practical fighting method and can look cool and looks even cooler animated.

>>149099665
>Strong and Strike
This one is better https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNjtroPFQ1s

>>149099550
>>149099847

No matter what you think of MHA as a show, its undeniable that You Say Run hits like a truck.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwACoXnNcwg

>>149099814
Seethe.
>>149099825
The original point was that fight scenes are better when they're grounded in reality even if not 100% realistic. Kung fu shit that's detached from reality is boring, I don't care if children and manchildren find it cool.

>>149093992 (OP)
Executives and Markets

>>149099897
No here is against them, but to get them you need popular action cartoons with any kind of choreography in the first place. Also can you name western cartoons with "realistic" fight scenes?

Since we're talking about music, I want to bring up dialogue.
Speaking of western cartoons only, I think Superman vs Darkseid rivalry in DCAU was peak for this
>Had I known one human's death would pain you so, I would have killed more. And kill more I shall. Carry that agony with you to oblivion, Superman
>Darkseid: You really are a glutton for punishment. Time and again I've beaten you, humbled you. What makes you think today's outcome will be any different?
>Superman: Because this time, I won't stop until you're just a greasy smear on my fist. Let's go.
We rarely get hero vs villain dialogue that reeks of pure hatred and trying to rub salt into each other's wounds in the most savage ways possible. I don't know why, it's based and we need more of this.

>>149099813
>basically no cartoon in the last 20 years has had a memorable track in its show that was not some hipster bullshit played on a ukulele,
Generator Rex and Teen Titans Go

>>149100037
What about
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCU3Hin5aj0

>>149099897
lol old

>>149100037
I'll be honest, I don't remember a single actual track from TTGo.

>>149100092
The songs of B.E.R.

>>149094030
>super indulgent to their creators
I have no respect whatsoever for ninnies that WANT creators to make shows For The Demographics instead of making "this is the story I want to tell" shows/movies.

Make a show that tells the story you want to tell. _MAYBE_ tweak your story arc a little if you see people want more of a particular thing that you don't mind nudging more into the spotlight, but that's a big maybe.

>>149099813
>they ignore the audio half of the medium.
IMO that's not exclusive to action cartoons or cartoons in general.
Horror movies are very guilty of this. A lot of the time the horror soundtracks just sound the same and blend together. Like pretty much saying
>here's your standard droning for a tense scene, that's enough effort for today
I remember laughing out loud when Sinister had very generic soundtrack for the entirety of the movie and then used fucking Boards of Canada for its end titles. Like damn, where have you been with that sound for the rest of the damn movie. Would've made the movie a bit more interesting and creepy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbFgxucxVcM

>>149093992 (OP)
Dead

>>149100092
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5PF9ZQasM4

>>149093992 (OP)
>Whatever happened to action cartoons?
Video Games.

There's a lot of factors but mostly video games. Why make a cartoon that can encourage kids to buy merch when you can skip the middle man and sell a game? Why fund an entire season of a show crossing your fingers that it'll find the right balance of storytelling and action to build a fanbase all in the hopes the fanbase will turn around and buy things? Just skip to making a game. It prints money.

Technology and automation has made things more expensive over time. Please understand.

>>149100274
Also Shounen

>>149100234
>Horror movies are very guilty of this. A lot of the time the horror soundtracks just sound the same and blend together.
Which is ironic considering some of the most iconic soundtracks of all time are from horror movies.

>>149100302
Shounen is built on an otaku merch market that doesn't exist (at least not to a comparably reliable extent) in America. The merch market is partly made possible by the very different approach to comics, which remains a far more viable medium in Japan because they made different decisions long ago, favoring cheap anthologies that allowed new properties to piggyback on established ones, consistently paying it forward to even newer properties. US publishers moved away from anthologies (it seemed sensible at the time) and eventually the comic market dried up until it's mostly well-established properties that stay afloat. It's complicated but... yeah, we can't really replicate what shounen does, because we don't have the culture of going out and buying merch for the shounen.

We get video games.

>>149099550
It helps that anime music is kind of an industry all its own.
Not many people are going to listen to cartoon music outside of the context of the cartoon itself, while you could feasibly imagine a DJ at a club mixing anime music into their EDM set or something.

>>149100435
Attack on Titan the most watched series in the US (second only to Spongebob)

>>149100211
There's a difference between making a show and making a show that specifically and only is your own personal wankfest. By super indulgent I mean doing shit only you give a fuck about to the detriment of your own work. I'd also say Unicorn was super indulgent to Genndy but that feels a little more interesting.

>>149100614
Yes, and making a show like that from scratch in the US would be a much bigger gamble than making it in Japan. We reap some of the benefits of Japan's otaku merch market. But you couldn't make Attack on Titan in the US, not because we lack the writers or anything, but because the show would be in competition with video games and there would be far less a guarantee for making some money back through sales of models, shirts, etc.
We reap the benefits of the infrastructure they've built over decades. We do not have comparable infrastructure. We have Disneyland instead. Woo us.

>>149100675
>Unicorn was super indulgent to Genndy but
>but

Samurai Jack was hugely indulgent to Genndy, and was great. Hell, a ton of classics were hugely indulgent.
Trying to make a crowd pleaser instead of the story you want to tell gets you slop.
Sometimes the story you want to tell is also slop.
Make a lot of shows/books/movies. Most will be poor, some will be good, a handful will be great.
We're not currently making a lot of cartoons. The "great" ones show up far less often because the industry is shrinking as we watch. Taking chances on new things doesn't vibe well with our current "The Arrow Must Go Up At All Times To Please The Stockholders" way of doing things. So we get safe reboots and crap.

>>149100727
What about Gacha?

>>149100963
"We reap the benefits of the infrastructure they've built over decades. We do not have comparable infrastructure. We have Disneyland instead. Woo us."

>>149100727
Japan made a better Crow Adaptation in the form of Gungrave.

Adventure Time happened.
Bean mouths noodle arms spread like a plague.
Welcome to the new Hanna Barbara.

>>149100793
I more mean, these people are not all that interesting and half the time feel like they're making art therapy or showing me their personal fan fiction. Sometimes your personal interests just aren't all that interesting and you can't convey them well lol. Genndy is a good animator, the rest uhhhhh. I'm not saying all indulgent works are bad but sometimes somebody has gotta tell you "no nobody wants to watch that lol

>>149098066
>>149099244
Dumb fucks Sleeping Beauty nearly bankrupted the entire Disney company. Name one fucking 3D movie that almost collapsed Disney. Go ahead.

>>149100963
What about it?

>>149093992 (OP)
Christian soccermoms censor violence on TV, that's why. The action cartoons in the 80s/90s were hot garbage in comparison to anime of that time period.

Action cartoons was always terrible unless if you saw newgrounds.

>>149103334
Faggot

>>149093992 (OP)
Problematic

>>149103346
SWAT kats got removed because of "violence" and when you watch the show it looks like fucking teletubbies compared to Gunsmith Cats

all of your Christian action cartoons just have dudes being knocked down by laser guns LMAO

>>149103409
Retard

>>149101537
>66 millon with Inflation
Now compared it to Elio and its 150 million

>>149101537
>just ignore the state of the studio and the economy in 1959, bro

>>149099550
sound design helps too. this fight has good frame economy. it's not even from a fighting anime
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZOAgpqAj2Y

>>149104554
Man, I hate cute girls anime.

>>149093992 (OP)
Anime

>>149095000
>>149095577
This shit would've been awful regardless of the protagonist's sex.

>>149104554
Kobayashi's Dragon Maid has some crazy animation for a slice of life anime with such a weird concept. It's always interesting to see what animators who are dedicated to the craft are drawn to.

The issue is writers.
Modern action shows feel so bland that people forget they exist. They can try to edge it up with gore, sex, swearing but it's very superficial.
Look at Devil May Cry. It barely feels like a part of the series. The games kept the horror trappings of Resident Evil even at their most lighthearted. Netflix series is a generic action cartoon. Closer to Donte at least in spirit with its tone, focus on politics and characters swearing like sailors than it is to gothic feel of the proper DMC games.
Or hell, Caped Crusader. Promised to be "BTAS but adult", ended up being one of the most boring Batman cartoons out there.

>>149099255
>The fact that you even need that explained
So you can't explain it? Ok, retard.
>Funny, not only you can't comprehend context or understand why a flashy fight scene is flashy,
Sorry mr failed abortion but you still don't have any arguments. You still haven't explained why Oldboy does its fights better than CB when they have the same inspirations. You still haven't given any other examples of movies with what you would consider good fights. You are a worthless piece of shit that will always run away like a bitch.
>more seethe
Kek, I am so sorry for people that have to interact with you.

>>149106407
>explain to me how goofy kung fu shit is totally realistic
Weebs are the biggest clowns of all.
Why should I waste time on explaining obvious things to an actual unironic retard? I would honestly prefer to shoot you in the head so that everyone would be spared from your retardation.
>he's still crying over his shitty cartoon
Just lmao.
Literal bitch, just like your retarded mother may she get raped and killed.
>inspired
What part of "not all cinema is the same" do you not understand you retarded subhuman. What part of "should be inspired by movies that are closer to realism" do you not get, you waste of flesh? I don't care how much you're gonna cry here, you worthless piece of retarded garbage. Your trash cartoon has nothing to do with realistic fights.

>wanting "realistic" fights in animation
Fucking why? Go watch sports if you want that. Animation should be for cool and over the top things

>>149107015
I've already said why. >>149099595
A degree of realism keeps the fight scenes interesting to watch.
>muh cool
Goofy overly stylized shit is only cool either to a child or a somebody who collects funko pops and unironically laughs at Joss Whedon-tier comedy.
>muh sports
You do know sports have regulations to keep the fights from being too interesting, right? Everybody bitched up and down at Mike Tyson for the ear incident even though it's the most interesting thing to happen in professional boxing in years.

Oh and just for the record, if the retard admitted that the fights in Cowboy Bebop had literally nothing to do with realism which I personally prefer, then okay. I don't care what he likes. I voiced my opinion and that would've been the end of that. This "argument" would've been over by now.
But he had to throw a 2-day bitchfit because I called his series' fight scenes lacking in realism and much closer to goofy Bruce Lee-esque kung fu than it is to anything.
Because apparently he can't read and all he took from
>real fights are boring
>well, it doesn't have to be exactly like real life. Specific examples of cinema found a way to balance things with just the right amount of flashy without entering the ridiculous territory
>HURR DURR COWBOY BEBOP IS INSPIRED BY CINEMA THEREFORE IT'S REALISTIC
So yeah, fuck this retard and fuck his whore mother.

>>149107089
If you think real fights are interesting then you have never seen one.

>>149106722
You fucking absolute retard, you haven't explained what exactly is flashy here and no one is comparing CB fights with real fights but rather with fights in cinema . You are so dumb it's insane.
>What part of "not all cinema is the same"
Then name cinema with realistic fights and explain why they are realistic. Name at least 10 examples, if you are so knowledgeable. Oh wait you can't because you are too low iq to do so since you can project your rape fantasies, most likely cause by your uncle raping you or something lmao. I bet you are also projecting the fact that your mom sucked penises for money to pay for your school kek.
>t Mike Tyson for the ear incident even though it's the most interesting thing to happen in professional boxing in years.
>he is a brown worshipper
I've found your little secret lol.
>>149107182
>Specific examples of cinema found a way to balance things with just the right amount of flashy without entering the ridiculous territory
Then name them you absolute brainless subhuman. Name those examples.

>>149107204
Another illiterate.
>It doesn't have to be "exactly like real life"
Just not be a ballet of overly choreographed moves. You know what's really not interesting? When you can tell the punches thrown are play pretend (
>b-but they are
Shut the fuck up, you know exactly what I mean)
Most fight scenes don't feel like an actual struggle or danger, they're a glorified scripted dance sequence with extra steps, that's what these fights are.
There is zero tension in these fights.

>>149095069
>They require skilled workers which are a lot harder to find and recruit especially in the western world.
It literally is not hard to find or recruit in the western you lying faggot. People either don't want them for an action product or don't have the money to invest to do it.

>>149107262
> you haven't explained what exactly is flashy here
Again, not gonna explain the obvious to an actual retard. Go out and try to fight somebody IRL, let's see how quickly you'll get your ass kicked with your cringeworthy anime moves, lmao. Go on, at least we'd be free from your stupidity.
>no one is comparing CB fights with real fights but rather with fights in cinema
You are the world's dumbest faggot, I hope you get cancer.
THE WHOLE ARGUMENT IS ABOUT REAL FIGHTS-INSPIRED CINEMA YOU ILLITERATE PIECE OF FUCKING TRASH. I don't give a fuck if your garbage reddit anime was inspired by gay martial arts flicks for mouthbreathing subhumans such as yourself, they are not the inspiration I was talking about in the original post. Here, again for the retards.
>Nobody animating fight scenes has ever been in a real fight, so they can't make something that feels believable. This goes for both west and east.
The right balance between flashy martial arts shit and actual fighting is found in cinema (Oldboy being the most mainstream and banal example)
What part of that do you not understand? To anybody with a brain I'm obviously not talking about Jackie Chan crap in a shitty cartoon you're white-knighting here, but you're so retarded you're somehow lucked out to still be alive (unfortunately for all of us)
>whiny faggot seething
So you're not just retarded but gay and retarded.

>>149107417
>Again, not gonna explain the obvious
Because you can't since you are retarded.
>THE WHOLE ARGUMENT IS ABOUT REAL FIGHTS-INSPIRED CINEMA
Tell me how Oldboy was inspired by real fights and explain how CB wasn't.
>The right balance between flashy martial arts shit and actual fighting is found in cinema (Oldboy being the most mainstream and banal example)
Name 10 other examples and explain what's special about Oldboy. Do it.
>more seething
Once again you are too retarded to actually explain your thoughts(assuming you are capable of having thoughts lmao).

>>149107450
>please waste time and effort on a retard who actively and repeatedly refuses to argue in good faith
The only retard here is you. You can keep crying about your shitty cartoon all you want by the way.

>>149099255
You sound mad cause cowboy bebop is a beautiful cel animated series while all western cartoons are toddles slop

>>149107472
>I totally could b-but I won't
So you admit you defeat? Kek, you are such a bitch. Do you run away like this from everything irl? Remember:
>you still haven't posted more examples
>you still haven't explained your own example
>you still haven't offered a proper critique of CB

>hurr realistic fights can't be cool
Unironically more engaging than any fight scene in your gay weeb shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Em7I41ew8C8
>>149107506
>my toddler slop is better than your toddler slop
Get off your high horse, faggot. Your worthless goofy shit will never be taken seriously by anybody who's not a manchild.
>>149107507
>still crying over his worthless cartoon being called out
Just lmao. You're an actual lolcow, faggot.

>>149107295
>Just not be a ballet of overly choreographed moves
>they're a glorified scripted dance sequence with extra step
watch/read better anime

>>149107639
If you hate everything /co/ related then why are you here?

>>149107639
Explain how that fight is realistic.
>more seething
>still no response
>still no more examples with explanation
Everyone is making fun of you itt lmao.

>>149107639
>That fight
>engaging
It's boring like all irl fights. That shit doesnt work animated

I'm curious, can you please post an example of a Western cartoon with what you consider a "realistic" fight scene

>>149107643
>gay flashy shonenshit
This supposed to prove me wrong?
>>149107652
>explain the obvious things to me
>t-t-they're laughing at you
You still can't even come up with anything original or worthwhile, lmao. All you have is seething over a shitty gay cartoon and arguing because you have no real point.
>>149107679
>That fight
>engaging
Yes, it is you total fucking faggot.
>actually conveys damage received during a fight
>actually feels like a proper struggle where each opponent is fighting for his life and not to show off his le heckin martial arts to impress retarded zoomers with the opponent just folding like a chair because the script says he has to lose
>actually feels like there's tension and danger
You're a brainrotted zoomer if you don't think it's engaging. What's really boring is weeb garbage.
>That shit doesnt work animated
Nobody has actually even tried, you retard.

>>149107716
>>explain the obvious things to me
So you can't do it? I've asked you again and again and you still can't do it? Are you retarded or just incompetent?
>because you have no real point.
I've already stated my point multiple times but you are too illiterate to understand it. I'll ask you again:
>post arguments
>post examples
>post explanations
Where are they, you retard?

>>149107716
You forgot my question here>>149107649. It’s an important one.

>>149101235
We need to kill the creators of Chowder, Flapjack, Adventure Time, Steven Universe and also that imbecile who took over for CN and turned it into live action sitcoms.
Also browns chill the fuck down with your Jap shit. The Japs hate you more than whites you retarded africans and south americans.

>seething over japs as their output outsells yours 10000:1 while learning no lessons from them example #738459

>>149107716
>You're a brainrotted zoomer if you don't think it's engaging
I guess the ancient people that invented fighting sports and martial arts were zoomers, rights? What about modern people that enjoy sports and wrestling? Are they brainrotted zoomers too? No one likes real fights. You are alone.

>>149103972
>>149104352
>Nooo that doesn't count because muh state of the studio!
Still waiting for you to name that 3D movie that almost destroyed Disney. Traditional animation is so easy and cheap that they had to use primitive 90's 3D programs to do the antelope scene because it was too expensive and time consuming to do by hand.

Dumb /co/ trannies boasting about doing their own shows any day now but then trying to say that animating from reference live reels and drawing the same character 240 times for a 10 second motion is easier and less time consuming than the actress just motion capping the movement in one afternoon and 3D animator only having to worry about fixing errors like armpits or the dress clipping through. Fucking retards.

>>149107716
>calling other zoomers when he hates kino made in the 80s/90s
Yep, you are the zoom zoom here.

Why is /co/ simultaneously the most passionate about animation and the most ignorant of how it works at the exact same time. Not even /v/ is this retarded in regards to gamedevving, and that's saying something.

>>149107811
No one says 2D animation is easier and less time consuming. It's just cheaper.

>>149107745
>he's still crying and coping
Lmao?
>>149107747
To fuck your mother. Unfortunately Tyrone was there first so I left.
>>149107805
>fighting sports
How much of it looks like goofy kung fu shit from anime and Jackie Chan flicks? MMA is literally mostly kickboxing/Muay Thai with a dash of (actual) wrestling or judo, none of which is particularly flashy or "cool". Hell, faggots complain about MMA being "boring" all of the damn time.
>martial arts
Frauds with ego created a vast majority of martial arts (ironically those are that look "cool" to you faggots), outside of shit designed for military and cops that mostly exists for confidence building than any practical reason or occasionally restrain a civilian long enough before your armed buddies help you subdue him.
>>149107812
>using "kino"
The textbook sign of a zoomer and a retard.

>>149107843
>To fuck your mother. Unfortunately Tyrone was there first so I left.
>has a meltdown over a simply question
>writes cuckshit fantasies
Good morning sir!

>>149107811
Anon, Dragon Ball Super Broly had a budget of $8.5 million. Show us a 3D movie that cheap.

>>149107843
>still no response
>he refuses to address any of the points
You are so sad and retarded. I am sorry that you were born with a mental deficit. Now read >>149107745 again and provide the examples.

>>149107843
Brainrot is zoomer slang, zoomie. Now everyone knows you are a zoomer.

>>149107639
This is the most boring shit fight I've ever watched.

>>149107851
>>149107862
>>149107865
>all that seething and projection
Keep it coming, lmao.
>>149107874
Funny, I can say the same about shit you fags post as examples of "good" fight scenes. Nothing beats Cowboy Bebop in terms of boring fight scenes, literally nothing.

>>149107889
Idc about cowboy whatever. That fight that you posted was just garbage. Do you seriously watch that kind of shit? Are you a retarded kid or something.

>>149107889
Read >>149107745. Post the examples or continue seething, retard-kun.

>>149107889
>n-no you
Classic pajeet. I am happy that you will continue spending time on a board about a subject you hate.

>>149107639
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Em7I41ew8C8
This fight is indeed very realistic between 2 old men running out of air compared to say 2 young adults or high schoolers that try to run a lot more.

Here's a semi realistic fight that combines both what you posted and a little style. Let me know what do you think of it. Personally it's very 2D perspective wise, but that makes it much easier to read just like stick figure fights.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJGvSbHmeco

>>149107896
>>149107907
>seething
Lmao.
>>149107910
>y-y-you're brown
How original when you run out of copes.
>>149107921
Eh, boxing/wrestling parts are decent enough, Rolling and jumping around with karate kicks not so much, way too goofy and over-the-top for me. And some things are just stupid even for being stylized (you shouldn't put a guy twice your size and thrice your muscle in a chokehold)
It does convey opponents being injured/tired fairly decently so points for that from me.
So I'd say 50/50.

>>149107822
>It's just cheaper.
But its not. When its more time-consuming, it is automatically more expensive. To make a full length traditionally animated film within deadline of 1-2 years you need an entire army of animators to do it on time. Doesn't matter how minimum wage they're paid, thats still a lot of people working. 3D animator is easier to animate, therefore its less time-consuming overall, therefore you have to pay less monthly wages to animators.

In both methods you have real life actors acting the scenes, difference is in 2D they act as reference clips for the animators to create more human movement for their characters. In 3D they use motion cap so the actor does 80% of the animation work without the animator needing to lift a finger.
>>149107855
>Dragon Ball Super Broly had a budget of $8.5 million
Dragon Ball Super Broly also had mediocre animation 90% of its length like a lot of talking head scenes. They were cutting corners in quality because keeping top quality throughout the movie would've been too expensive.
Why do you think anime shows have a lot of episodes where characters just talk and do fuck all else? Is it because the writer really wanted to convey his deep story to you? No, its because the studio has to stretch its budget between many episodes, so you're going to get filler episodes of characters sitting around with only their mouths moving, talking a novel to the screen.

Those "deep" episodes where animu faces talk about the meaning of existence and their feelings? They're not deep at all, those episodes are there to save money. The animator can do multiple scenes of mouths moving in 2 repeated frames a week. The moment those characters start moving around, opening windows doing dishes, making food or smoking cigarettes while talking it becomes more time-consuming.

>>149108021
What are you talking about? I just thought the fight you posted was pure slop, kid.

>>149107811
It's funny how Ghibli made non-cgi crowds with a lot of people while disney had to cheap out.

>>149108021
>act like a pajeet
>gets called one
I don’t see the problem

>>149108021
>still coping
Answer>>149107745 and stop being retard.

>>149108109
>>149108120
>more seething and projection
Post hands with timestamp.

>>149108129
Just answer >>149107745 already. Why can't you do it? Is it because you are retarded? Why are still trying to change your subject whenever you are asked to provide examples?

>>149093992 (OP)
What a neat coincidence, I showed Dark Fury to a fren recently. Still want to know if it was saved in anamorphic widescreen, or 4:3 then cropped. Is there a single release in existence that's SD widescreen? Pic related is upscaled from the latest Pitch Black Bluray box.

>>149094289
You know, now I'll never unthink. Thanks anon.

>wahh wahh engage me after I repeatedly argued in bad faith
Nah, I'll just watch you sperg out until you commit suicide.

>>149108170
Name 1 argument I made in bad faith without sounding like a retard. You are just too afraid to engage because you have no arguments.
>sperg out
Nice cope but I am here laughing my ass out while you are having the biggest meltdown I've seen on /co/ in a while kek.

>>149108191
That's a lot of cope.
You're literally crying because you got told your faggy cartoon has nothing to do with realistic fights and literally sperging out about "p-p-prove this flashy shit is flashy wahh"
You're a whiny stupid loser who never grew out of a shitty cartoon.
>Name 1 argument I made in bad faith
Holy subhuman idiot. Your whole whiny bitchfit started because you kept moving goalposts like a worthless piece of trash you are.
>w-what do you mean it'st about taking inspiration from realistic fights in cinema, nooo my narrative is falling apart
You're a worthless negative IQ retard.

>>149108268
>projecting this hard
You are the one that started sperging out because I called you a failed abortion.
>p-p-prove this flashy shit is flashy wahh"
yes if you can't prove it then you don't have an argument.
>moving goalpost
Where? You posted that flashy Oldboy fight and you said that animated fights are not like that. I've provided a counterexample to that and you had a meltdown because deep down you know that I am right. Now keep seething like the subhuman you are.
>w-what do you mean it'st about taking inspiration from realistic fights in cinema
And CB does exactly that. Sorry you are too retarded to notice. Now read >>149108191 again. I said " without sounding like a retard" and you failed to do so.

>>149108286
>n-n-no u
>n-n-no u can't prove me wrong 2+2=3
Still coping and seething, I see
>flashy
Hundreds of times less flashy than your worthless weeb shit.
>And CB does exactly that.
HAHAHAHA
I refuse to believe that you're actually real and not a troll. Nobody could ever be this fucking retarded, lmao.
> and you failed to do so.
Holy projection. You're a dumb fuck butthurt over a shitty cartoon that you're throwing a bitchfit for two days straight by now. Retarded low-IQ loser.

>>149108307
>repeating everything I say like a parrot
Explain what flashiness means and how is it relevant to CB's fights. DO it.
>Hundreds of times less flashy
Wrong Oldboy is flashy shit that has nothing to do with real fights. It's obvious you've never been in one irl or else you wouldn't shill that garbage.
>HAHAHAHA
Are you laughing at your own small brain? Explain how CB is not exactly like the shitty fights you've posted. Do it.
>more seethe and more n-no you
Yep, you are so retarded, it's insane. Stop acting like a failed abortion and I will stop treating you like one.

I am now convinced this is 1 anon samefagging. No one reasonably intelligent will continue helping a mad faggot derail a thread.

>dude retards jumping around and doing goofy kicks is totally realistic it's not goofy or flashy at all, tell 'im mooooom
>dude I would totally not get btfo if I tried dumbass kung fu shit IRL (even though MMA guys routinely btfo your kind every time they get delusional enough to start shit)
>dude guys with knives being a non-threat is totally realistic not like even skilled and experienced fighters IRL don't fancy their own chances the moment a weapon enters the equation
>dude le heckin' dodging of every blow would totally work in real life
>dude it's like real life, totally not something straight out of a Jackie Chan movie it's not goofy at all
Weebs are an embarrassing drain on humanity and their delusions go extremely deep.
Almost on the level of delusion some men have about being women.
No wonder those two demographics tend to have an overlap.
>>149108357
Not my fault a retarded weeb got butthurt over his gay cartoon being called out.

>>149108362
Obviously, they have the same typing style

>>149108362
>more coping and making shit out
Retard, you believe Oldboy is realistic you waste of human oxygen. Just fucking kill yourself. You are embarrassing your whole bloodline.
>dude [cope]
Post the examples of that from CB.
I can do the exact same shit with you only example
>dude, 1 guy managing to keep tens of guys away is le totally realistic just like in oldboy to only movie I've ever watched in my life
Lmao. Your cope is so delicious.

See, retard is once again refusing to argue in good faith. The exact wording I used was
>The right balance between flashy martial arts shit and actual fighting
I've said the fight scene from Oldboy is flashy and over the top, but it's heavily mitigated by the fact that there's still enough of moves that could realistically look like they may be thrown in a fight and the fact that characters are visibly injured and tired because it's very clearly not a normal fight and a fight to the death.
Cowboy Bebop fight scenes are straight up fantasy fights with no ground in reality whatsoever. Borderline wuxia shit.
>shill
Retard thinks bringing up the most normie Asian movie imaginable with the fight scene imitated by numerous other movies and shows (Hell, even Raid, another Asian movie every single normalfag has ever heard of, did a homage to it) is "shilling", lmao
Also very ironic from a retard who can't shut up about his precious tranime.

>Post the examples of that from CB.
Hey, tard. Guess exactly what I did before you ran crying like a bitch to your janny buttbuddy?

>>149108362
Question: what happens when the characters have superpowers, like being able to fly and shoot laser beams at each other, not to mention other, more intricate abilities? What happens when the two combatants are something other than average sized normal humans somewhere in the same weight class?
Are they allowed to have fight scenes, or are they immediately disqualified?
Just trying to understand your thought process here.

>>149108405
I think capeshit is gay and shouldn't exist.

>>149108413
You think characters with special abilities and superpowers can only exist in capeshit?
You think the only valid fights are those between two normal people so it can be as realistic as possible (despite the fact that IRL fights involve people awkwardly kicking and pushing each other until someone gets stabbed or punched in the jaw once and then it's over)?

>>149096817
>anime
This is /co/. Post your Japanimation stuff elsewhere. Nobody here speaks maynga.

>>149108420
I hate magic and superpowers, regardless. At best I can tolerate it if it's something low-key like Ivan Drago vs Rocky where one is explicitly a super-soldier and the other may as well be a superhuman. Otherwise it's how you get more stupid girl power trash because superpowers mean everybody could be a fighter.
>as realistic as possible
Again, not what I said.

>>149108401
What good faith you animal?
>The right balance between flashy martial arts shit and actual fighting
Yes and CB does that?
>that there's still enough of moves that could realistically look like they may be thrown in a fight and the fact that characters are visibly injured and tired because it's very clearly not a normal fight and a fight to the death.
Have you even watched the fucking show? The characters in Cb get hurt as well you absolute mongoloid. Post all those realistic moves from Oldboy that don't look like fantasy you absolute brainless moron.
>Retard thinks bringing up the most normie Asian movie imaginable with the fight scene imitated by numerous other movies and shows
Oldboy itself was heavily inspired by older HG movies you absolute retard.
>Raid
no one cares about that slop. Post all the realistic fights form Raid.
>>149108404
I have no idea what you are talking about. Post the examples.

Why are people arguing over realistic fights? The infamous Oldboy fight was not realistic. Realistic fights look boring as fuck. Best animated fights take inspiration from kung fu films which are also not realistic.

Sometimes shit goes in reverse and kung fu films take inspiration from comics and animation: https://youtu.be/Taq67POlvWU?si=6wSiQW3AkzXk6iJW

>>149108465
That anon is too retarded to understand that

>>149108439
>Again, not what I said
Yet you continuously demonstrate that by admonishing anything that isn't just a brawl between two normal people. The beauty of fiction is that it allows us to witness unrealistic scenarios that could never occur in real life. Yes, part of that is showing a lithe woman take down men thrice her size, but another part is showing individuals with extraordinary and supernatural abilities weave them into a dynamic and bombastic duel.
If you don't like the more flowy and dance-like approach of Wuxia, that's fine, it's not for everyone. But to completely dismiss the very idea of a fight involving explicit special abilities is downright ignorant and shows very poor understanding of the importance of fight choreography in fiction, animated or not.

Context cannot be ignored. There is room for both drawn-out bloody boxing duels and over the top weeb dance fighting. It all depends on the overall mood and style present in each individual work.
Again, it's fine to have preferences, but they're just that: preferences. There is no one golden ruleset when it comes to fighting in fiction.

>>149108439
>>149108492
DBZ fighting is ironically often worse than DB fighting scenes, because when dudes are just floating in the air, a lot of gravity of the fighting is also lost. Superman flying around isn't as interesting to look at as Spider-Man parkouring around or Hulk jumping and crashing into stuff. On the other end of the scale are the super down-to-earth 95% realistic fights like this one:
https://youtu.be/JOBTFfHJjV8?si=nP5eZRQwb4NpGNKh

But those don't really fit action movies as well either, they're more of a period piece/drama movie type of fighting scenes.

>>149108465
>The infamous Oldboy fight was not realistic
How many times do I have to state it?
>The right balance between flashy martial arts shit and actual fighting is found in cinema (Oldboy being the most mainstream and banal example)
Again, exact fucking wording.
>>149108456
>I have no idea what you are talking about.
Sure, troon. Sure. That's why you've responded to that post. >>149099180
Not only you're a lying dishonest cunt, you're a stupid lying dishonest cunt.
Oh wait, now you're gonna pull
>it wasn't me
>>149108492
At the end of the day what we're arguing about is preferences. Not like any of us has any impact on the world or fiction.
And I don't like superpowers. I don't like girl power shit, I don't wizard duels, I don't like capeshit.

>>149108492
Also the larger point is that the retard is sperging out because he's insecure over his shitty anime not having realistic fight scenes. Again, I don't give a fuck if he likes that awful slop. Him whining for two days because the shitty fight scenes are not even remotely close to being realistic is hilarious.

>>149108528
>>The right balance between flashy martial arts shit and actual fighting is found in cinema (Oldboy being the most mainstream and banal example)
But Oldboy doesn't have that. It's pure fantasy you retard.
Also nice job ignoring all my arguments and the fact the characters in CB actually show damage you fucking dumb tranny.
>That's why you've responded to that post. >>149099180
I was talking about the the "crying to janny" bit you dumb mongoloid. Now posts the fights again and explain how they are not a combination of flashy and actual fighting. I am predicting you won't do that because you are a subhuman.

>>149108544
>cries the tranny because people have been making fun of his oldboy shit not having realistic fights.
The irony. Keep trying to get the last reply like the bitch you are lmao.
The irony. You still

>>149108509
>DBZ fighting is ironically often worse than DB fighting scenes
I agree with that, I think it takes a lot of the impact out of it. That being said, it all depends on the execution. I generally enjoyed the fights in One Punch Man and Mob Psycho, because even though they involve superpowered characters that defy gravity, I find that they managed to preserve the feeling of impact which is very important.
This is something that is missing a lot in western cartoons and I'm not sure how one would go about correcting that.

>>149108528
>Not like any of us has any impact on the world or fiction
I think that's unfair to say. I think we all have some potential of putting our ideas out there in some form which could end up influencing someone down the line. Myself, I've been practicing my drawing skills and learning how to depict fighting in a satisfying way. I think what's important is having the spark for it.

>>149108456
Also
>Yes and CB does that?
You're genuinely fucking delusional. And a literal idiot. Just lol. None of that gay kung fu shit has anything to do with realism. It's as far on the spectrum of fantasy as you are on the spectrum of autism.
>Post all those realistic moves from Oldboy that don't look like fantasy
Retarded fucking brainlet, a lot of that fight is literally basic punches and kicks. Is it realistic? Again, as I stated "no". Is it more realistic than this fucking >>149099142 garbage? 100% and you have to be a delusional trannoid to even believe otherwise.
>The characters in Cb get hurt as well
You're an actual fucking retard who can't grasp the difference between anime "hurt" and more grounded kind of "hurt", I get it.
Nobody cares about the rest of your whining, fuck off.
>I was talking about the the "crying to janny" bit
Ah yes, all my posts got nuked sitewide while your shit remained. That definitely has nothing to do with your butthurt ass crying, sure. Just a coincidence.
>>149108555
And other made up shit that exists only in your head. Like you being a woman for instance, lmao.

>>149108575
>I generally enjoyed the fights in One Punch Man and Mob Psycho, because even though they involve superpowered characters that defy gravity, I find that they managed to preserve the feeling of impact which is very important.
Yeah but if you watch the fight scenes of One Punch Man you will notice they spend surprisingly little time on the air fighting each other, not counting flying monsters like Mosquito Girl of course. Saitama vs one-eyed alien dude was mostly the fighting starting from the ground, the alien punching Saitama so he goes flying, then the alien following him, punching him through more walls and obstacles. Even whenever Saitama fights back its usually on the ground or he launches himself from the ground so its more of a jump than him floating around.

Flight is the kind of superpower that everyone wants but is ultimately boring to watch. Which is why One Punch Man mostly uses big and long jumps more than people just endlessly floating in the air.

>>149108597
Yeah, that's what I meant when I referred to execution. Even the best parts of DBZ fights involve the characters touching the ground more often than not.
Perhaps aerial fights would be better if they were less just regular martial arts but in midair, and more like dogfights between fighter jets, flying at high speeds and circling each other while trying to find an opening.

>>149108582
>. None of that gay kung fu shit has anything to do with realism.
You are an absolute retard if you think all the fights in CB are kung fu shit, you fucking moron.
> a lot of that fight is literally basic punches and kicks
Yes punches and kick that make no sense and that wouldn't work irl you retard(it's so obvious you've never fought irl).
>Again, as I stated "no".
Then it's an awful example since it has none of "actual fighting" bit. Only flashy garbage.
> Is it more realistic than this fucking >>149099142 garbage?
Nope it isn't since it has 20-30 guys attacking the same guy. That's even less realistic than anything in CB. If you disagree, you are a subhuman.
>more grounded kind of "hurt",
Where is the more grounded kind of hurt? The characters in oldboy get "cinema hurt" that doesn't properly reflect real life injuries you dumb tranny.
> while your shit remained
Now you are lying as well? Half of my posts got deleted as well you dumb animal.
>And other made up shit that exists only in your head.
You are the one that had a meltdown when someone made fun of your fantasy movie lmao.

>>149107506
Shut up faggot

>>149108642
>You are an absolute retard if you think all the fights in CB are kung fu shit
Holy fucking delusion. No wonder everybody clowns on you, weebs.
>wouldn't work irl
He says while defending shitty anime fights that definitely have nothing to do with realistic fighting, lmao.
>(it's so obvious you've never fought irl)
Oh the fucking irony, you limpwristed brown weeb cuck.
>Nope it isn't
It objectively is. Opinions of a subhuman like yourself don't matter.
>b-b-but a few of my posts got deleted as well
Uh-huh.
>wahh wahh wahh crying and coping
Don't care.

>>149093992 (OP)
Kids don't play with toys anymore. The big appeal to making an action-adventure cartoon was the merchandise. If little boys aren't clamoring for the TigerWarriors tm action figures, what's the point? Muh artistic vision?

>>149108439
>I hate magic and superpowers
Magic originated is a carny trick to steal money. It's entire purpose to to manipulate easily suggestable people. It fits so well into animation storytelling because animation fans are easily suggestable autists

>>149108039
>Dragon Ball Super Broly also had mediocre animation 90% of its length like a lot of talking head scenes
You didn't watch the movie

>>149108971
Cope and seethe, faggot

>>149109030
>You didn't watch the movie
You have never watched a single actually good movie.

>>149109063
Nta but like what?

>>149108731
>no argument
*yawn*. Come on retard, post a cowboy bebop fight and explain exactly what's wrong about it.
>He says while defending
>red herring fallacy while try to distract from the matter at hand
At least you gave up defending your movie. Thanks for admitting defeat again.
>It objectively is.
It can't be objective when a retarded 4chan tranny says it. I am giving you the chance tow rite a proper honest argument. How is fighting with 30+ guys less realistic then dodging some hits?
>doesn't argue about "cinema hurt"
Yep, another win.
>admits he was lying
>copes some more
Classic animal.

>>149108357
I think it's that one autistic Hungarian who posts here a lot.
Eurofags seem to be uber-autists nowadays.

>>149109166
Yep. It's weird how hungarians are pretty cool irl but this one guy is an absolute faggot.

>>149109047
>red line goes down, influence ruined
>it's magic

>>149109063
>Only Disney can make good movies
Get better taste

>>149109157
I've already explained everything wrong with it, you useless fucking moron. Not my fault your idea of arguing is sticking bananas in your ears.
>defending
You're an illiterate low-IQ moron who literally can't argue in good faith. I hope you get cancer, unironically.
>It can't be objective when a retarded 4chan tranny says it
Nice self-deprecation, but at least you're talking sense for once.
>a proper honest argument
Something you're literally incapable of, lmao. You had everything explained but you're still either being obtuse on purpose or are genuinely retarded. Either way get cancer.
>muh "cinema hurt"
Again, closer to reality than your piece of garbage anime which is the entire point.
>y-y-you're lying
>I totally didn't report you, see I got a few of my posts deleted, that means I didn't report you at all (even though your got deleted site-fucking-wide)
The only lying one here is you little rat.
>>149109173
>hungarians are pretty cool irl
Kek, no wonder you're such a subhumans. You think that worthless trash are "cool". May all hungarians get cancer as well btw. :D

>>149109345
>such a subhumans
ESL alert. Post your hand or else your are a pajeet.

>>149109368
>NOOOO YOU CAN'T MAKE MISTAKES WHILE TYPING IN A HURRY
Still haven't posted yours, faggot.
Btw, I hope when WW3 happens Hungary gets nuked where their whores flood the rest of Europe only to be used as fucktoys, then killed and dismembered once their extremely limited use ran out. Would be a fitting end for that "nation"

>>149109345
>I've already explained everything wrong with it,
Where? Oh right nowhere.
>more seething while not offering a single argument for his beloved movie
I am happy you finally stopped defending your trash.
>but at least you're talking sense for once.
Kek, you literally admitted you are a tranny!
>ou had everything explained but you're still either being obtuse on purpose
Where? Where have you explained the realism of fighting 30 guys you moron?
>Again, closer to reality
>muh toddler fantasy slop is better than yours
This is your final argument? SO in the end there is not a single realistic thing about the oldboy fight and you've failed to defend your gook shit. Sad.
>made up schizo scenarios
Kek, I have managed to mindbroke you.

>>149109379
>i-it was a mistake
>n-no you post it
Yep, brown detected.

>>149109408
>d-doesn't count
Just lmao
>defending trash
I'm not defending shitty anime for trannies who never left the "noo mom, this is deep" phase
>not on he is a tranny, but also illiterate
Lmao
>Where?
In your mother's bedroom. Again, retard. I never said it's completely realistic. I literally called it flashy. If you weren't incapable of arguing in good faith, you'd stop pretending otherwise.
And yes, actual punches and kicks thrown are actually believable, unlike your goofy kung fu shit that could only impress underage idiots and trannies (aka yourself)
>gook shit
But enough about tranime
>>149109419
I literally asked first, except you bitched out like a pussy lmao. But that's expected of your projecting ass.
Also a combination of timezones and you sucking up to h*ngarian trash leads me to believe you're a slavshit. Possibly a rushit or, Heaven forbid me for saying that word out loud, a b*lkanigger. Which explains a lot about you.

>>149109515
>>d-doesn't count
Tell me exactly where you have explained anything. Quote the post.
>more seethe
yet you are defending a troony gook flick.
>n-no you
Classic troon.
>And yes, actual punches and kicks thrown are actually believable
nope they are garbage and make no sense and have no weight. Explain how they are believable without sounding like a retard.
>n-no you again
Oldboy was literally made by gooks you fucking idiot and it's only enjoyed by retarded trannies such as yourself.

>>149109515
>I literally asked first
Not everyone is the same person, idiot. Also nice try but you missed my country by a mile(it's funny how an african/jeet thinks he has any saying in that lol). If your next post doesn't have a hand with a timestamp in it then everyone will know my assumption was correct.

>>149109553
>more of that "let me act obtuse and post what you already posted which I will ignore anyway to ask the same dumb fuck question over and over"
>more troon projection
I have a better idea, subhuman. Bash your skull in. Nobody would miss you, tranny.
>>149109660
>it's totally not me
Just lmao. And you can quit with your projection, we all know you're not even remotely white (or human). Frankly I don't care what shithole you're from. You will never be white regardless.

>>149109687
>>more of that "let me act obtuse and post what you already posted
I am asking you to post "all those believable punches and kicks" that you are using to defend your shitty slop movie yet I can't see them anywhere itt. Stop acting dishonest retard. Your movie is just fantasy slop at this point.
>n-no you again
*yawn*. Subhuman parrot, will you actually engage like a normal human in this argument or not?

>>149109729
>very basic punches and kicks effects of which are a bit exaggerated? NOT BELIEVABLE AT ALL
>gay cartoon's shitty kung fu that would never ever be used in a real life scenario by anybody who'd want to survive a fight? TOTALLY REALISTIC
Lmao?
>engage like a normal human
I only engage with humans, not worthless animals.

>>149109775
>>a bit exaggerated
Are you trolling? They are fully exaggerated in fantasy gook slop. None of oldboy would happen irl. Also the scenario of 1 guy fighting so many is retarded fantasy slop.
>ever be used in a real life scenario
None of oldboy is realistic and would be useful irl you fucking troglodyte.
>mooom I learned my punches from oldboy
>*gets kileld*
This is how it would work, faggot.
>I only engage with humans
Then you would have killed yourself, you low iq subhuman.

How does /co/ do it? Even with all its flaws, it still manages to maintain a level of quality far above the other media boards.

>>149109687
>still no image
Yep, it's official. I will call you Raj from now on. I know that you will reply with a lot of seethe to this post but it's over.

>>149109901
>official
We already all know he is a pajeet based on his writing style.

>>149109829
>retard continues being illiterate
Figures.
>thinks he has any ground to stand on while defending fucking Cowboy Bebop
LMAO
>no u
LMAOOOOO
>>149109901
>>149109909
>still not posting its brown hand with a timestamp like asked
Your deflection's not gonna work.

>>149109936
>illiterate
Nice job describing yourself but all of the moves are exaggerated slop. None of the punches feel real or have any weight.
>still not defending his slop
This doesn't work. Every time someone points out how unrealistic oldboy is all you can say is
"b-but what about X". Are you doing that because you can't defend your gookslop? Stand on your ground and defend your shitty film instead of trying to change the subject.
>more parroting and n-no you
Keep repeating yourself.

>>149093992 (OP)
Iyanu!

>>149110011
>still incapable of arguing in good faith
Lmao.

>>149110047
>n-no you again and again
Defend your shitty movie you fucking subhuman. I've given hundreds of arguments on why it's shit and all your are doing is coping and running away.

>>149110059
>I've given hundreds of arguments
HOLY KEK
We're reaching levels of delusion previously not thought to be possible.
Nah, I'm just gonna laugh at you and your cringeworthy weeb shit.

>>149110073
>still coping like a a bitch
>y-you are delusional
This is sad. Why are you dishonest? Literally in this post >>149110011, I've told you that "None of the punches feel real or have any weight." yet you refuse to engage because you are dishonest bitch that can only run away.

>>149110159
Yet they feel a lot more real and have more weight than the goofy weeb shit I've posted. God, I wish somebody bombed Sunrise offices.
>you are dishonest bitch
Do not redeem saar

>>149110337
Once again you absolute subhuman. You can't defend your shitty movie without comparing it with something else. How about you actually address the arguments without any "'b-but what about cowboy bebop". Ignore cowboy bebop and explain how the punches in your gook garbage have any weight by comparing them to actual real life fights, which was the whole point of the argument.
>more seething
> n-no you again

>>149110381
You're the one who brought up your gay cartoon, you fucking harebrained babboon. I'm not defending anything. I'm telling your shit anime is garbage and has fuckall to do with any kind of realism.
Btw your gay anime was written by a woman which explains a lot.

>>149110445
> I'm not defending anything.
So you agree that you 1st post itt was garbage by giving such a shit example like Oldboy you absolute retard?
>has fuckall to do with any kind of realism.
Then why did you use oldboy as an example when it has nothing to do with realism?
>was written by a woman
idc, your favorite movie was written by a gook.

>>149110481
>hurr durr do you agree with my retardation
No. Cry about it.
Also, any male, even a gook, is worth thousands of females. Not to mention japs are subhuman gooks too.

>>149110504
So you still have no arguments and you first post was moronic and retarded? I am glad that you agree.

>>149110529
The irony, lmao.

>>149093992 (OP)
They started to focus on making cartoons for girls, young boys watch Anime for their action fix now.

>>149110688
Women love edgy shit like serial killers, rape, psychopaths, genuinely depraved shit.
If we had adult cartoons like that, maybe I'd have a lot less problem with shit aimed at females.
But those cartoons aimed at girls are the exact same safe and saccharine tumblr shit we've gotten in the 10s or more adult stuff AKA "ugh, being an adult is HARD" "relatable crap and cringy comedies.

>>149110550
TIs the irony the fact that you are retarded? Let me explain it to you step by step
>claim that cartoons should copy cinema since oldboy has good action
>gets proven wrong since oldboy actually has dogshit action
>starts coping
You are here.

>>149111053
Sorry, I don't care about your seething but please continue.

>>149111215
>i-id don't care , that's why I am replying
Sure lmao. I am happy that you have given up and accepted that your gook movie is garbage and that your post was retarded. It must be hard losing like this all the time kek.

>>149111300
Said the retard seething over a shitty cartoon with a female writer, kek.

>>149108950
My lil' cousin builds his custom figures from lego mech parts, we like to play fights, making up moves and shit.

>>149111345
>n-no you
Keep seething. You've been exposed as a retard that can't defend his shitty takes. You ran away from this argument exactly like you do irl. Imagine being such a bitch.

>>149112125
>dishonest rat projecting
Lmao.

Yep, an insane person replying to himself for a whole day. Thread is cursed, thread was doomed from the start.

>>149112260
>d-dishonest when he ran away from the actual criticism here >>149110381
Defend your trash movie already. DO it, bitch. Oh wait, you can't. You got so destroyed that you will never mention oldboy on /co/.

>>149112444
>retard literally brought up Cowboy Bebop and then crying and trying to deflect when he got BTFO over it
Holy fucking dishonest rat. Shouldn't your kind be at war with sand people right now instead of posting here?

>>149112481
You were to one to mention that slop movie first you lying bitch. You mentioned it first and then you got btfoed. Shouldn't you be scamming grandmas?

>>149112535
>btfo
Meanwhile, you're now here pretending your shit anime didn't matter despite defending it for two days lmao, shlomo.

>>149112748
>Meanwhile
So that means you admit your shitty movie is pure slop? Good. I won.
>muh anime
Lol, imagine being so obsessed that you have to make up an imaginary enemy because you can't defend your shitty slop otherwise.

>>149113352
>I I I win in my head
>I actually never brought up anime at all
Unironic jew behavior

>>149093992 (OP)
>Whatever happened to action cartoons?
Lol I dunno

>>149113583
>>I I I win in my head
I won in this argument because I actually provided arguments for why the fights in Oldboy suck. Arguments that you've ignored. Keep coping like a little bitch.
>>I actually never brought up anime at all
Imagine being this retarded. The comparison with anime only has a place after you've given reasons for oldboy having a place in the discussion.

>>149112304
OP here, I've just been watching vinland saga the whole day. gotta admit kinda disappointing thread, was good till the retardation happened.

>>149113618
>provided arguments
What arguments, you retarded subhuman? All you provided is your whiny crying over your shitty anime. There's nothing to refute because you said nothing of value, like your worthless life has no life. Get cancer and die.
>Imagine being this retarded
Glass castles.
>The comparison with anime only has a place after
you got butthurt your shitty example of realistic fighting in anime didn't work as well as you planned and now you're seething for two days straight.

>>149113698
*has no value

>>149113698
>What arguments, you retarded subhuman?
Here you absolute mongoloid >>149110011
>None of the punches feel real or have any weight.
Learn to read, you illiterate subhuman
>n-no you
Riveting.
>n-no you again
You are the one that is fuming that someone dared to make fun of your gook slop.
>muh 2 days
You fucking retard, you are the one that has been itt 24/24 hours kek. You didn't even get to sleep, that's how much you've been seething.

This piece of garbage consistently takes things out of context, pretends to ignore points he doesn't like and generally acts like a total lying dishonest faggot.
And then he expects to be treated seriously. I hope he and his whole family gets cancer instead, kek.
>>149113770
So no arguments whatsoever but your butthurt whining as I've said.
>n-n-no weight because I said so
Quality argument, you assravaged subhuman.
>n-n-no u
Just hilarious. The seeting ITT is all yours, you moronic swine.

I'm still not gonna watch anime just for action. Anime sucks lol I'll wait for another action cartoon to come out to get my fix.

>>149113811
Nice projection when you are the one that ignores every point made against your shitty gook movie.
>So no arguments whatsoever
Are you blind you absolute retard? I will repeat myself. None of the punches feel real or have any weight. The action is garbage. It has nothing to do with a real fight.
>>n-n-no weight because I said so
Are you trolling at this point? Rewtach the fucking movie you absolute subhuman. Everyone can tell that there is no weight behind the punches and that is feels almost fantasy with how retarded everyone acts. Keep ignoring the arguments that prove your movie is a pile of dogshit.
>more seething
Kek.

>>149113904
A)You've done nothing but ignoring every point against your shitty anime this entire thread, fucking retard.
B) You repeating your stupid crying that you pretend is "valid points" won't make it an argument.
>seething
Oh the irony. Again, get cancer.

>>149113976
>projecting about the fact that you've ignore every single point against your shitty movie this entire thread, lmao
>once again ignores my arguments and cope about it
Tell me how is t realistic for a guy to fight against 30 like this. Show me how any of these punches are not flashy garbage that never happen irl. Now stop ignoring the arguments and actually address them, bitch.

>>149114011
Retard is once again ignoring the fucking context, holy fucking subhuman.
I've answered your retarded "questions" multiple times. We both you don't want an answer, you want a last word like a petulant little faggot you are so go get cancer.

>>149114075
>Retard is once again ignoring the fucking context,
What context you absolute faggot.
>I've answered your retarded "questions" multiple times
No, you haven't. You've only ignored them because they've exposed as a retarded subhuman and a slop consumer. Your argument was that they were "flashy but also had some realism" which has been debunked because they have 0 realism they are just flashy garbage with no weight. Kill yourself.
>more projection
Yep, mr failed abortion it is.

>>149114105
Once again retard playing dumb and pretending that it hasn't seen the arguments.
Get cancer. Have you lost anybody recently? I hope it was painful for you.
>muh projection
Get a new buzzword, subhuman retard.

>>149114227
>Once again retard playing dumb and pretending that it hasn't seen the arguments.
What argument you absolute retard? You have been countered again and again and then you ran away and hid behind your projection. Now you are projecting what happened to your poor retarded mother. I am asking you again? Can you defend your slop gook movie? No, then shut the fuck up, you brown subhuman.
>more seethe
Of course. That's all your conquered bloodline can do.