>this makes certain "people" extremely mad
woke race mixing propaganda!
>>149125332 (OP)Ourguy Aang was making her panties wet ever since he was dancing with rhythm on the Fire Nation School infiltration episode.
A PoC Katara would never get with no rhythm Zuko.
Aang had soul. She saw his rizz in front of everyone and he practically fucked her on their dance in front of everybody.
Aang had game.
>>149126121LOL Megabased anon!
Every single couple we ended up with was, somehow, the worst alternative possive
>>149126121>Katara would never get with no rhythm Zuko. doesnt part of his combat moveset involve him literally breakdancing
>>149126106Race mixing has actually been a thing for Generations now and when people can move great distances in the right time by themselves.
>>149125532Zutara shippers, mainly from back in the day.
While the show was airing it also still had a large adult/teenaged fanbase. People who are now in their mid-to-late 30s or early 40s today.
Many of the women who watched A:tLA really wanted Katara to get together with Zuko. Mainly because they self-inserted as Katara and Zuko is definitely the more attractive option to a young woman than Aang. (this is prior to women becoming fujos and endlessly obsessing over gay male ships)
Still today some people will bitch about Kataang not making sense, or being narratively unsatisfying from Katara's perspective.
>>149125532>>149125359i have a feeling you're just replying to the same spammer from the other day, nuff said
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>>149126106>Someone kisses someone/has sex with someone? WOOAH REECEMIX, BEBBIES ARE MADE ON TOUCH
>>149126382She doesnt seem to be against that concept, to be fair.
>>149125332 (OP)Why is this thread being schizo posted over and over? You avatards really two sides of the retarded coin
>>149126357I had feeling kek
>>149126657I swear that schizo has to have fetish over getting mocked at this point. I'll skip this thread this time
>>149126695Nigga, YOU are the schizo
>>149126212Shut up mutzoomer
>>149126055I know, she's like two years older than Aang, he hasn't even gone through puberty yet.
>>149126724>No uYeah yeah faggot. At least mix it up next time or throw on a trip so i can filter your chimp screech out
>>149126055Yeah Aang's a whopping 98 years older than her.
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>>149126657>really two sides of the retarded coin
>>149126738Cope and seethe
>>149127149Seethe and cope
>>149125332 (OP)To this day, it makes me so happy zutarafags lost
>>149126695genuinely, what even pushes a man to behave like this anyway?
>>149126106They’re both different flavors of Asian. That’s like saying a greek and German fucking are racemixxing
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>>149127442I'm pretty the girl more indigenous people of North America in the more Arctic Legions not Asian.
>>149126055>>149126752I feel the writers should've thought about it more, For comparison this would be a highschool freshman dating/into a 6th grader
Aang popped that Watery pussy!
>>149125332 (OP)I bet he eats her ass out every night
>>149127854>>149126603yet jet and katara had the same age gap and everyone was fine with it?
>>149125532It's a nonsense pairing. Katara is much more mature than Aang, and would not see him this way. Aang idealised a relationship with Katara, and instead of making that a growing moment, the narrative effectively rewards his immaturity. It's disingenuous, and poor storytelling.
>>1491291022 year age gap matters less for older people, obviously. But more importantly I'd believe Katara being 16. Not Aang.
>>149130418>Katara is much more mature than AangI don’t know how people still act like this is true, I can easily point to a few episodes where Katara acts the least mature out of the group.
>>149129102Katara is a slut.
>>149127442>That’s like saying a greek and German fucking are racemixxingOne is Hellenic and the other is Germanic, it is racemixxing.
>>149130478Adults lose their cool all the time. She's still a teenager, and Toph was being a little shit. Katara was the one with the level head most of the time. She's the one that others looked to for emotional support. In a sense she was the true leader of the group. Even Sokka sees her as a motherly figure. After their issues, Katara is the one who helps Toph with her self-esteem and encourages her to write back her parents. I just don't see Aang as being on that level maturity-wise. He doesn't appear receptive to Katara's emotional needs, at all, and Katara doesn't go to him with them.
>>149131061>Adults lose their cool all the time.Aang didn’t in that scene, despite supposedly being the less mature person.
>Katara was the one with the level head most of the timeNo that was Aang, Aang was always the slowest to anger and always looked for the best solution for everyone. Sure Katara was emotionally supportive, but she was also every bit as stubborn and uncompromising as her brother, sometimes more so. And that’s just untrue that Aang never reciprocated Katara’s emotional needs, it just happened less often vice versa because Aang’s the main character and Katara is the supporting character.
>>149129102Both being in/past puberty but before adulthood is better than teen and child, it's the same reason people think Padme and Anakin was weird considering they met when he was younger than 10.
>>149131336Aang is like 13 by the end of the show anyway so…
>>149130900And we like that
>>149131217Aang wasn't involved in the conflict that scene, so no shit. He did blow up later in the episode when Toph blamed Appa (and she was right). Aang loses his shit and gets sulky a few times actually.
> that’s just untrue that Aang never reciprocated Katara’s emotional needsOk, give me your best example of Aang being emotionally supportive of Katara.
>>149131359His voice never cracks, he's still shorter than a girl, and what little muscle definition he has is because he trains in martial arts. He also lacks body hair, though that might just be an animation limitation.
>>149131407Aang also pretty much immediately realized he crossed a line after his blowup, Katara after her blowup (at somebody who was only trying to smooth things over) goes on to make fun of Toph’s blindness.
>Ok, give me your best example of Aang being emotionally supportive of Katara.Aang risked life and limb to retrieve Katara’s necklace, threatened to quick as Paku’s student in solidarity with Katara. Was immediately on board with her Painted Lady scheme, and trusted her enough to let her borrow Appa for her revenge quest even though he was against it.
>>149131217>in that sceneuntil his sacred cow got insulted
>No that was Aang, Aang was always the slowest to anger and always looked for the best solution for everyone.>The finale exists.He'll look for the best solution as long as it conforms to his world view sure...
When it came to the group dynamics/discussions, he was a passenger at best. Always going for the option of least resistance instead of ones with necessary opposition and hard stances. "The chase" is a key example of that, his inability to tell katara to chill out or tell toph not be so standoffish shows how great he is at problem solving heated conflicts when lying isnt an option (great divide anyone?). And in the 'serpants pass', for all aangs 'maturity', the minute things arent going well for him personally, he is a ticking timebomb katara has to placate at every junction. He's as levelheaded as the plot demands it.
>it just happened less often vice versa because Aang’s the main character and Katara is the supporting character.This is a copout for poor relationship development. There are plenty of main characters who are capable of being the comfort for their supporting characters. watch more shit instead of excusing this slop.
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>>149126657Looks like Avatar threads have become /co/'s Dragon Ball threads
>>149131625Not exaggerating when I say /v/ has better ATLA threads than this scab of a board.
>>149131485I thought that line was unintentional - like Toph couldn't see them because she was in the rock tent. Seems OOC for Katara to make fun of a disability like that.
Probably the best example there is the Pakku thing, but they aren't very strong. Mostly just nice things he did as a friend. There's not a single moment where Katara really opens to Aang, or Aang consoles her in a meaningful way. Katara has numerous scenes like that for Aang, and a number of different characters.
>>149131485>Aang also pretty much immediately realized he crossed a line after his blowuphe blew up immediately the moment the argument involved him indirectly with appa. Katara's blowup came after she tried to approach things calmly when toph was being a cunt and aang sat on the fence like a pansy
>threatened to quick as Paku’s student in solidarity with KataraWhat? his exact line was "Katara, you dont have to do this for me." to which she responds by saying it wasn't about him.
>trusted her enough to let her borrow Appa for her revenge quest even though he was against it.She was going to go with or without appa. he only did that because she wasn't going for "you should just forgive your mom's killer". using anything from that episode as an example of emotional support is a joke
>>149131668It's like /tv/ having better dragon ball discussions than /a/ for awhile.
>>149131625>>149131668>>149131752IMHO every forum for avatar is like this, it's been this way for years. /v/ having an occasional chill avatar thread once in a blue moon is because people hardly know about them (until now, should have not let that out the bag)
>>149131685I feel like this just speaks to the different ways each character functioned. Katara never had to deal with the same doubts, regrets and responsibilities Aang had to, most of Katara’s problems were external rather than internal. Katara’s biggest moment of vulnerability and confusion in the series was her reunion with her Dad which was highly unusual, sans that there’s the stuff with her Mom but not much else.
>>149131798Idk anon, survivors guilt, grief and the loss of one's innocence sounds internal as fuck to me.
>>149131739>he blew up immediately the moment the argument involved him indirectly with appa. Katara's blowup came after she tried to approach things calmly when toph was being a cunt and aang sat on the fence like a pansyAang was sleep deprived so I’ll give him a pass. Katara was the one who was consistently taking it took it too far. Toph would’ve never had to deflect unto Appa if Katara didn’t start blaming her for Azula’s pursuit.
> What? his exact line was "Katara, you dont have to do this for me." to which she responds by saying it wasn't about him.This nigga didn’t watch the episode, you’re thinking of a completely different scene. The scene I’m referring to is when Katara is first turned away by Paku, Aang bites back and threatens to quit.
>She was going to go with or without appa.Yeah and Aang could’ve just said “fuck you, I’m keeping my Bison find your own transportation”. But he didn’t, he trusted Katara with his animal guide because he trusted her to make the right choice and was proven right.
>>149129102Jet was one of the only two male characters that women actually found attractive mate
and to be fair, that kinda makes it more likely
>>149131818That’s speculation, none of those issues besides grief are really focused upon for Katara’s character. There’s sprinkles of the other two, but you’d have to be very generous in your reading of Katara’s character in order to draw those conclusions.
>>149131668That's usually par for the course for any topic being discussed outside of their intended board. Topic quality tends to be better when the more obnoxious fans and autists don't know where to go.
>>149131793Oh I know it, /co/ is actually tolerable compared to the discussion off the site and onto the more normie social media sites, absolute dogshit.
>>149131900>Aang was sleep deprived so I’ll give him a passThey all were. Why give aang a pass and not katara when the former could have stepped in much sooner with his infinite people skills?
>The scene I’m referring to is when Katara is first turned away by Paku, Aang bites back and threatens to quit.Fair enough. That is to be expected to stick up for a friend though.
>Yeah and Aang could’ve just said “fuck you, I’m keeping my Bison find your own transportation”.Be real, you know damn well Aang would never even consider this. The point remains that she was going to go anyway. His 'trust' meant very little because it wasn't something he wanted to give initially or was something she needed to go do what she wanted. He wasn't even proven right because katara wholesale rejects his idea of forgiveness. The plot just pretends the spat was about violence to distract away from a point it couldn't resolve. Seriously, we're way past the point of pretending Aang's logic was completely objective after the finale and "oh my energybending"
>>149131798I don't know about that. Katara had a lot of internal stuff going on too, but she didn't burden others with that generally. She could with her dad because, well, he's her dad. Maybe she just didn't want to burden Aang further, but I never got the sense that she wanted to open up to him like that. Or the sense that Aang tried to step up and be that person for her. And that's a problem when you're trying to sell the audience on a romance between them. If you don't show that vulnerability, it feels hollow.
>>149131998>That’s speculationNigger what? Aang was the first person to remind katara that she was still a kid, how the fuck is her loss of innocence speculation? Her mom died protecting her, the actual target of the raid.... anon do you know what survivors guilt means?
>>149132130>Why give aang a pass and not katara when the former could have stepped in much sooner with his infinite people skills?Because Aang only blew up that one time and was at least trying to soothe tensions instead of pouring more oil on the fire like Katara did
>His 'trust' meant very little because it wasn't something he wanted to give initially or was something she needed to go do what she wanted.You’re right, Katara didn’t need Aang’s trust but Aang gives it out anyway because he believes in Katara.
>He wasn't even proven right because katara wholesale rejects his idea of forgiveness. He was right about Katara not being a killer, I think the episode has a good compromise by the end by saying “Yeah I won’t ever forgive this guy for the pain he caused me but I’m ready to move on and look forward”. At the end of the day what Aang believed won out over senseless revenge even if Katara didn’t fully accept the idea of forgiveness.
>>149132218>Maybe she just didn't want to burden Aang further, but I never got the sense that she wanted to open up to him like that.This is what I tend to believe about Katara. It’s not that there were never other things troubling her internally it’s just that she never felt she could open up about that stuff because so much else was going on. It’s missed potential certainly, and it would’ve been great to see an episode focused on this aspect of her character.
>>149132242I’m saying it’s speculation because it’s never something which troubled Katara so deeply that she felt the need to vent about it to, it’s certainly there if you look closely enough but it’s never focused on. Part of me wonders if the writers wanted Katara to be this strong female lead so they packed away anything that might make her seem vulnerable.
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>>149132245>Because Aang only blew up that one time and was at least trying to soothe tensions"appa never had a problem when it was the three of us" sure sounds like soothing tentions kek. He didn't say anything to toph up until that point. indecision has the same effect as pouring more oil. Pinning that situation all on Katara while advocating Aang as a guiding light doesn't make sense, especially when you're quick to make excuses for him specifically.
>Aang gives it out anyway because he believes in Katara.And because he had no other option to breakthrough to katara after she rejected his initial suggestion. If it were up to him, she wouldn't have went at all.
>He was right about Katara not being a killerThis in a nutshell is the entire problem with the episode, Katara of all people has never shown the capacity for bloodshed. Aang not immediately trusting her to not kill the guy after all they've been through feels wildly ooc, though to be fair everyone in this episode is poorly written. this whole episode exists to setup the ozai ordeal, because the series itself failed to build that up until the last minute.
>>149132322She did open up in CrossRoads and Southern Raiders. I don't want to devolve into shipping wars, but it should be a surprise to no one that she gets shipped with someone she does get those scenes with.
>>149132415>He didn't say anything to toph up until that point. indecision has the same effect as pouring more oil.This is somewhat true, Aang definitely could’ve taken a firmer stance. But sorry there’s just no way I can agree with the idea that somebody trying to end a fight (however ineffectual) is equivalent to somebody trying their best to prolong it.
>And because he had no other option to breakthrough to katara after she rejected his initial suggestion. If it were up to him, she wouldn't have went at all.Uh yeah no shit.
>though to be fair everyone in this episode is poorly written. this whole episode exists to setup the ozai ordeal, because the series itself failed to build that up until the last minute.This I can agree with, it’s easily the worst of the Zuko field trip episodes mostly because they don’t even try and hide the pretense of this being an episode solely engineered to bring Zuko and Katara closer together. Like Zuko literally walks up to Sokka and asks him “Your sister hates me! What can I do fix things?” Like why would Zuko of all people give a shit if somebody doesn’t like or trust him?
>>149132322>it’s certainly there if you look closely enough but it’s never focused onAang himself commented on it in the opening episodes.... The spat she had with her dad is a clear example of her venting about being forced to live without her dad... c'mon anon, 2+2 doesn't equal fish.
>Part of me wonders if the writers wanted Katara to be this strong female lead so they packed away anything that might make her seem vulnerable.>KataraThis is a soft admission of the point
>>149132452 eludes too... forget shipping, she get's to be vunerable with multiple characters except aang. "imprisoned" iirc was the first time she does this, and it's with a person of the weak character like haru
>>149132452Bit misleading, Katara is ready to spill about her mother’s death to anybody willing to hear. In fact it’s the only issue she’s ever vulnerable about (aside from the thing with her dad).
>>149132512>Like why would Zuko of all people give a shit if somebody doesn’t like or trust him?Of course he would care, are you serious? Zuko cares a LOT about what others think of him, and he betrayed Katara hard. He felt guilty.
>>149132577Allow to explain further. What motivated Zuko in the past two field trip episodes was pure practicality.
>I need to get my Firebending back >I better make sure Sokka doesn’t get himself killed on this suicide mission But what motivates Zuko in Southern Raiders is a sudden and uncharacteristic interest in what Katara’s opinion of him. Like I get Zuko’s petty but he also has perspective, like with the stuff with his Uncle and world coming to an end in just a couple weeks you’d think he (and the writers) would have greater priorities than what some girl thinks of him. He doesn’t even make mention of that threat Katara gave him in Western Air Temple, that I could at least buy but no it’s just “she doesn’t like me :(“
>>149132660You don't understand Zuko at all. He has an emotional need to connect with them.
>>149132512I think it's fair enough to point out that he objectively made it worse the moment appa was brought up. Sure he tried when he could no longer put up with it, but if you think Katara was the worse offender, it's fair to point out he did nothing to address katara either.
>no shit.So your point about his trust is invalid. Trust isn't conditional.
>it’s easily the worst of the Zuko field trip episodesObjectively i agree
>Like why would Zuko of all people give a shit if somebody doesn’t like or trust him?Hard disagree... see
>>149132577again, let's take our shipper caps off, Prince Zuko has been shown to be a character who cares about how he's perceived. and after the moment in crossroads, why wouldn't he care about how someone he did wrong feels after opening up to them when he had no reason to do so? the entire premise of his redemption requires him to care about how the people he's done dirty feels. And he did whatever it took to gain there trust when the gang had no reason to trust him. Why would aang even trust him if zuko didn't care about how his friends feel about him?
>>149132700Yes but ask yourself if that need would truly come before everything else that’s happening in the story? It wouldn’t Zuko’s mature enough to put that aside for a better time. It’d be one thing if Katara’s mistrust of Zuko was causing problems for the team as a whole, like maybe Katara not listening to Zuko causing them to a lose a fight they would’ve otherwise won. Just something extrinsic to give this conflict a bit of urgency.
>>149132548>the first time she does this, and it's with a person of the weak character like haruFunny that you mention this, there were people who Haru and Katara because of this episode kek, they even poke fun at it in the avatar chibi short where characters like Zuko try to compete with Aang for her affection.
>>149132782The gang is just dicking around in hiding anyway. Him connecting with Katara doesn't hurt. What Zuko did in Boiling Rock is far more retarded, practically speaking. He should've just gone to the group and told them about Sokka's batshit insane idea.
>>149132755I get that Zuko obviously cares a lot about what people think of him, but again it’s a matter of perspective. This is Zuko at the end of the show, at his most self-assured “Honor is something only you can give yourself”, the only thing he remains insecure about is his uncle (Which happened to be the basis of the best Zuko/Katara interactions btw) I just don’t think it’s believable that he would think settling a personal beef is the best use of Team Avatar resources y’know?
>>149132825That one moment of shared vulnerability between Haru and Katara is more than Aang and Katara had the whole series kek.
>>149132832>The gang is just dicking around in hiding anyway.Yeah that’s kind of the big problem with late season 3 but I digress. At least with the Boiling Rock we gained a few men, (which Southern Raiders immediately undoes) Southern Raiders just ends with Katara trusting Zuko again, outside of that nothing was accomplished.
Honestly for me its Aang x Ty Lee
Ty Lee is closer to being an airbending girl than anyone else
Kataan rubbed me the wrong way when I was 10 and it still does today. Even as a dumbass kid I thought it was bullshit how Aang got everything he wanted even though he wasn't supposed to.
>>149132717This is why I'll never accept the narrative that Kataang was somehow a change of plans, but I will entertain the idea that it was an uninteresting pairing. Like yeah, the creators of the story made the main character as somewhat of an extension of themselves, and Katara was from early on, intended as the love interest for that character the creators favor. Along the way, a good chunk of the female audience got invested in the star-crossed lovers aspect of the Zutara pairing, but this sort of edgier, more controversial pairing wasn't ever taken seriously by the milquetoast creators who preferred a classic "hero gets the girl" story. My only issue with some of the shippers who try to grasp at straws finding secret clues about Zutara being endgame when this is hilariously wrong. The sort of videos and blog posts they made need to be seen to be believed.
>>149127562>>149132329Would unironically be a healthier, more passionate, and longer lasting relationship than Zutara
>>149132860Could you at least buy it as a matter of self preservation? She did threaten to kill him at the mere hint of perceived betrayal
>>149132980I could buy that, but Zuko never brings that threat up in the episode itself when he definitely should have.
>>149132978And especially kataang
>>149132959>He doesn't like happy endings made for kidsI get it.
I loved it when I was young, then eventually grew to hate it, then eventually went indifferent, then learned that the ending is no longer for people my age.
>>149132963It depends on who you believe. Joshua Hamilton said Zuko was planned as Katara's love interest early on. It seems there was a schism in the writers room about it based on the conflicting narratives that have come out.
>>149132988Yeah, but does he really need to verbally say that? Surely we the audience can piece that together right?
>>149132980It clearly wasn't about that. Zuko had no intention of betraying them. He just wanted to get on Katara's good side.
>>149133015Idk man, I just think the writers could’ve done a much better job adding some extrinsic pretense to this setup.
>>149127562It should be Aang keeping Azula calm with meditation and spiritual teachings but she occasionally tweaks out and blows shit up which leads to humorous results.
>>149133006Yeah I don’t believe that, I don’t think Zuko and Katara so much as speak to each other until Waterbending Scroll
>>149132991Ehh, I disagree on that
Is Kataang a boring and undercooked relationship in the show? Absolutely!
But even if you ignore their kids and grandkids from Korra, their personalities are compatible enough and they have a strong enough basis for a relationship to where they would be long lasting as a couple
>>149133046Fair enough. Honestly this has been a pretty good thread relative to the last few on the topic
>>149133068I don't see why that matters.
>>149132864Harutara sisters...wya
>>149132996>happy endings made for kidsTurns out even as a kid I had better writing instincts than Bryke. Aaron Ehasz was the better writer anyway.
>>149133109Bryke had cole lore and worldbuilding ideas.
Aaron Ehasz understood meaning and depth.
I think you need both.
>>149133109Dragon Prince says otherwise
>>149133071>But even if you ignore their kids and grandkids from KorraYou mean especially if you ignore their kids right? Because the tenzin favoritism was a massive redflag for their relationship.
>>149132825>>149132864>>149133104Checking in! Harutara being a thing is why the creators were quick to write him out KEK. but seriously a lot of the non KA/ZK ships had potential and the fans caught on to them at the time.
>>149133117Post s3 sure, and even then by that point the show writing was hijacked and he had play along to not get metoo'd.
>>149133115The spirit world stuff came mostly from Aaron. Bryke exposed themselves with how badly they fucked it up in LoK.
>>149133122I honestly choose to believe Kya and Bumi were exaggerating their father’s favoritism. I can buy Aang giving more focus to Tenzin’s training as an Airbender but actively excluding his other two kids from vacations just doesn’t sit right character or logic wise.
>>149133006>Zuko was planned as Katara's love interest early onPlanned by who though. That's always the thing that splits this open. It's possible a writer wanted it at some point, but that doesn't mean the showrunners did.
>>149133104No firecest? No Tyzula or Zukaang? Boo.
>>149125332 (OP)it's kinda weird how this just happens at the end. The last Aang and Katara talked she was still ambivalent about their relationship. I would have appreciated a quick "Oh Aang, now that you've saved the world I realize that I love you" or something
>>149133193I honestly can't fault anyone for thinking this anymore given the alternative is acknowledging that Bryke outright assassinated aang's character. But the reality is Tenzin himself acknowledged it to be true. the worse thing though is the effect it has on katara, because why the fuck would katara allow any of her kids to be neglected?
>>149133159Most of Dragon Prince’s biggest problems are rooted in those first three seasons. Just because the characters hadn’t been completely bastardized yet doesn’t mean seasons 1-3 were good.
>>149133225>Speedran through the show
>>149133225Yeah I really don’t understand what the motivation behind giving Aang and Katara an awkward fallout an episode before the finale was if they were just gonna sweep it under the rug next time they saw each other.
>>149133238shhh, let the thread not descend to greentext schizo screech for once and use your big boy words.
>>149133242I mean, I would have appreciated just a sliver of context as to how Katara's feelings changed. The audience doesn't get anything
>>149133258The VA's themselves felt like they didn't get anything. we can objectively admit the show botched the landing there
>>149133226Eh, so long as we don’t have a flashback or some shit to confirm I’m gonna stick to my headcanon as it’s entirely possible Tenzin only acknowledged Aang’s supposed neglect to placate his siblings
>>149133136>had potential Looking back on it now, it did. I never minded Kataang as kid, it was just kinda okay and I honestly still don't mind it now but I never liked the way they doubled down on it hard towards the end of s2/s3. Made Aang a bit insufferable at times, Kataang being endgame eventually could've been fine but Bryke being aware of the fandom side of things definitely influenced the way they went about it. Loved that they were aware because it resulted in some funny things but also hated how it influenced their perception and writing of the show.
>>149133220It was the normie side of the fandom in the 2000s, I dont remember Zukaang or Tyzula being very popular.
>>149133233>biggest problems are rooted in those first three seasonsThey only become problems after season 3 because the show wasn't made with 7 seasons to play with at the start. it was nicely wrapped in season 3 inspite of the problems with the worldbuilding, and thats how i'll choose to remember that show. there is no s4 and onwards in ba sing se
>>149133258I never got the sense that she was ambivalent about her romantic feelings for him at all, not by the middle of the 3rd season. Their reactions to each other seemed pretty obvious by the episode where they teach the kids to dance. They just went through a couple rough patches in the heat of the war.
>>149133314>They just went through a couple rough patches in the heat of the war.that would be cool if they spent anytime at all resolving them. I honestly agree that including this so late makes no sense at all if you're just going to ignore it.
>>149133200Probably Aaron? That's just speculation, but Mike said they (Mike+Bryan) never intended ZK, and I doubt Joshua is just making stuff up. So Aaron makes the most sense. The dynamic between him and Mike/bryan is pretty intriguing. Aaron was in charge of story, so maybe they didn't want to totally rule out his plan at first. I wish Aaron would come out and spill all the juicy behind the scenes secrets.
>>149133342That's fair. While I absolutely think it would be a mistake to just have the characters spell out what changed, it would have been good to have some kind of onscreen resolution to the issues they had in the "Ember Island Players" episode.
>>149133347>I wish Aaron would come out and spill all the juicy behind the scenes secrets.That sort of thing has the potential to ruin personal and professional relationships, so it's rare to see except in situations where the relationship has already soured completely.
While we’re on the subject, I 100% side with Aang in that argument. Like bitch, what do you mean you’re not sure? You were sure at the beginning of this season and you’re gonna be sure a few episodes from now. And nuts to this “muh It’s not the right time, we’re in a war” crap too, Sokka and Suki just had sex in a cave last episode. The writers are just making excuses not to pair these two up until the finale where it’s most climatic.
>>149133347He wont because he doesn't want burn any chance of working on avatar again. he tweeted something about wanting to contribute to the netflix show.
>>149133374Exactly, which is why he won't.
>>149133378>>149133383Aaron isn't dumb, he knows to leave the backdoor open when there is money on the table to be made later down the road.
>>149133383Maybe one day he'll stop giving any fucks.
Avatar will always be the Redditor's version of mythology. George Lucas understood that in myths, heroes don't just win and get the girl or whatever. That's why he never wanted Luke to marry. Look at King Arthur, his story is gruesome and depressing.
Aang gets everything and it's lame. And that's because Avatar is not myth, it's a wish-fulfillment fantasy.
>>149133451>Reminder that "Bryke" is a fandom mythKEK
>>149133200I looked into it and there’s really no consistent answer I could find.
There’s John O’Bryan the guy who wrote Waterbending Scoll which jumpstarted the Zutara ship, but he also co-wrote The Fortuneteller alongside Aaron Ehasz as well as the Headband which both feature some heavy Kataang moments
Aaron Ehasz is the most popular candidate as he along with his wife wrote some the heaviest Zutara episodes including Crossroads of Destiny and The Southern Raiders. But again, there’s the Fortuneteller. Aaron seems the most likely suspect but it’s probably not true that he planned Zutara out early as none of the early Zutara teases have his fingerprints on them. He also seems to favor Sokka as his writer’s pet instead of Zuko given what he goes on to write in Dragon Prince
Then there’s Joshua Hamilton who started this rumor, though ironically enough he has named credited on not an insignificant number of Kataang episodes but no Zutara episodes. Those episodes being Cave of Two Lovers and The Serpent’s Pass.
>>149133466It would've been kino if they had explored how Aang's attachment to Katara was a cope for his genocide trauma and desperation for love. Imagine the tension had Katara rejected him, and Aang went into a depressive spiral over it. They could've made Monk Gyatso a woman and drawn parallels to Katara for bonus oedipal/freudian points. I want to see Aang break down and suffer like a true mythic hero.
>>149133595keep in mind their all staff writers, what they credited on all gets over seen by aaron & bryke
>>149133643This sounds like Adventure Time-style, therapy hug box garbage. No thanks
>>149133681Us ZK's dont claim this guy just so you know, anon sounds like a schizo
>>149133595>Then there’s Joshua Hamilton who started this rumor, though ironically enough he has named credited on not an insignificant number of Kataang episodes but no Zutara episodes. Those episodes being Cave of Two Lovers and The Serpent’s Pass.Could it be Hamilton isn't saying what he's saying as a Zutara fan, but rather that in his mind, he was the one who pushed Kataang to be a thing? That it's more of a self-aggrandizing version of events where his influence in writing these episodes changed the overall plot?
>>149133739Could be, honestly this rumor Hamilton started just seems like a bid for attention no matter which way you look at it
>>149133595Cave of Two Lovers foreshadowed zutara.
>two lovers color coded red/blue, divided by war, joined by the light of green crystals via underground tunnels...Same episode in which Zuko rejects that girl who tried to touch his scar. They couldn't make the connection between these two episodes more obvious if they tried.
>>149133759A rumor doesn't get put as bts info for the reruns anon. we have no reason to believe he's lying when several others have made similar statements
>>149133798I believe that Ehasz was trying to draw a parallel between zutara and the mythic story of Oma and Shu, because he loves that sorta shit.
>>149133798First time I’ve heard this interpretation, it’s neat but Oma and Shu wear yellow and blue (Aang and Katara’s colors) not red and blue.
>>149133809I side with this anon’s idea that Aaron drew these parallels post-hoc for Crossroads
>>149133852>it’s neat but Oma and Shu wear yellow and blue (Aang and Katara’s colors) not red and blue.the guy wears yellow and red, watch the next frame literally after this one
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>>149133852https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzcLOmTGAWA
Oma wears red, but then wears green when they meet up. Also seems familiar...
>>149133884https://youtu.be/iEjdlYXN31Q?feature=shared
Just watched the full scene, the guy never wears either color, he mainly wears blue. Oma’s wardrobe however changes from yellow to red to white/purple. It doesn’t seem like there’s a strong correlation with color here
>>149133917>>149133921the guy wears blue, the girl mostly red, and they're purple when they kiss
>>149133852Post-hoc, or maybe not. Don't forget that Aaron plays a role in writing all of these episodes.
>>149133944She also wears his color blue when she unleashes her attack.
>>149133917She's wearing a dull orange when they first meet, then red when they're both longing for each other and meeting the badgermoles, then purple when they kiss, which then gets duller, then white when she unleashes her earthbending, then blue when she reconciles the two villages. Pinning the colors to some other characters seem less supportable than the idea that it represents her arc while his stays constant for her to be a reflection of
Brown/orange - default earth tone she starts with
Red - heat of passion
Purple - their mingling of colors
Dulling - the grief of loss
White - hot righteous fury at the cultures who tore them apart
Blue - a cooling of fury, and an embrace of who she loved, even in his death, echoed in both their names being given to the city.
>>149134034They didn't have to choose red and blue to represent the characters. If that were the only connection to crossroads + zuko/katara, I'd write it off as coincidence, but I'm not so sure.
>then white when she unleashes her earthbendinglooks blue to me.
>>149130418>le wish fulfillment excuse
>>149134092It's definitely not blue at 0:50. Not until the moment when she stops her bending display. If it evokes anything else in the series at that moment, it seems closest to the Avatar State.
Please continue to ignore the greentext shitposters, this was a good thread and we can have more when we ignore the bad actors on both sides
>>149134180That is clearly blue to me.
It's been nearly twenty years since the show ended
People really need to just sit down and accept that Zutara was never going to be canon, regardless of the select writers expressing interest in pursuing it
At most it was an idea being thrown around by some of them early in development (if this is any indication
>>149133801 ) but it's pretty damn apparent that by the time the show actually started being made the direction being taken was Kataang
>>149133595>Waterbending Scoll which jumpstarted the Zutara shipThe episode where he holds her and the prized necklace Katara holds so much value to hostage? That's the episode that jumpstarted this shitty ship?
I would've figured that the episode where people actually started taking it more seriously (beyond a crack ship which it kinda is, let's be honest) would've been Crossroads since it's the first (and let's not kid ourselves, only) time where they have interactions that could be construed as romantic
>>149134236Yes. Back me up anons. I am not crazy. I knew that shade was blue, as if I could ever make such a mistake
>>149134243The purplish shade under the white reads as shadow on a white garment to me.
>>149134243i see a bluish grey desu
>>149134229Yo, can you politely give it a rest? we've done this song and dance the last 2-3 threads, and anons dont need to accept anything because you say so, especially when you dismiss so much evidence to the contrary.
>>149126268I was fine with Kataang back in the day but I get why people find it boring now. I think they had some cute moments but they just needed more.
Zuko should have gotten with Jin or Ty Lee.
>>149134243https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_blindness
>>149134299Just ignore him, it's THAT guy begging for attention again.
>>149126357
>>149126268I dunno Katara only had two episodes with Zuko where they weren’t fighting, when she was gonna give him the healing water and when he helped her find her mothers killer, i only sensed tension with the water healing part. Aang has literally been crushing on Katara since the first episode I don’t get how people didn’t see it coming
>>149134251There's too much of it to just be shade imo. The close up shot just before also shows a bluish tinge. I'm assuming the shot after is supposed to be the same outfit too.
>>149134370Shipping glasses are strong, anon
Welp.... guess it's that time again. Good thread while it lasted.
>>149133046>>149133061Thanks for being civil for once, this was nice
>>149134370People deceive themselves very easily and shippers are particularly extreme cases of that, there are people so delusional that they will even convince themselves that Hiccup was asexual so they could pair Astrid with a woman.
>>149134370Aang having a crush doesn't mean they were gonna get together. I genuinely believe there was a push for a Zuko and Katara romance during the show. Both from what people who worked on it have said, and from the show itself. It really felt like crossroads was supposed to lead to something. Then for whatever reason - the network, Mike and Bryan, who knows, it didn't materalise. I will die on this hill. What frustrates me about this conversation is when people act like the idea of zutara is completely ridiculous, even we know for a fact it was seriously talked about. You guys won, there is no need to be so defensive about your ship.
>>149134518you’re replying to a samefag by the way. it’s not a coincidence that this anon decided to reply to a poster way up in the thread when everyone else after were talking like normal people and not autists who dont understand human interaction
>>149133917Damn I didn't remember that show being that tragic.
No woman in the entire history of the universe ever fell for a guy she treated like an annoying little brother.
>>149133225S3 shouldn't have ended on a kiss or even alluding to their relationship. Blueball people I say.
>>149134816The kiss wasn't for the audience.
>>149125332 (OP)Guru Pathik giving Aang completely wrong information about the Avatar state is the worst part about it to me. And then the avatar state reawakening from a rock.
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>>149134975The amount of sheer butthurt that went into the creation of this image...
20 years
>>149134747I feel as though it’s disingenuous and reductive to paint Katara and Aang’s relationship this way
It's good that zutarans are a dying breed.
Zucest shall rise!
>>149134518>It really felt like crossroads was supposed to lead to something. Then for whatever reason - the network, Mike and Bryan, who knows, it didn't materalise.Honestly it feels as though you could apply a similar conclusion to Kataang. You had a decent setup in S2, the grounds for some promising character/romantic drama with the Guru stuff and then… just… nothing. After the Headband Aang and Katara barely interact with each other romantically in S3 and I can’t imagine why they wouldn’t. The only conversation Aang and Katara have about each other happens in Ember Island Players which infamously ended on a a sour note and then boom they’re together like it never happened. I like the idea of Kataang, but I don’t blame people for having so much dissonance accepting them as endgame (even though I believe their failings as a pair are grossly exaggerated) when the writers did a shit job setting them up properly in Book 3. It didn’t have to be this way.
>>149135091The annoying part is unfair, the little brother part is accurate. That's how the creators themselves characterised it. And that anon is right, no woman (or man for that matter), wants someone they see as a younger sibling.
https://youtu.be/3gQgZJU4e6E?t=334
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>>149126106I mean, neither of one of them is white so why should I care?
t.
>>149135206Early on I’d agree, but Katara grows to shed most of those bigger sister instincts by the Fortuneteller, eventually transferring the same energy to her relationship with Toph later on. I think the little brother stuff is mostly an overeager desire on Katara’s part to protect Aang’s innocence as she lost hers at a much younger age. It’s easier to see why Katara would abandon such a mentality as Aang’s calling as the Avatar would necessarily require the loss of his innocence.
decades later zutarafags are still in denial, amazing
>>149135201The writers did a shit job because they didn't care about it. Even the guy who wrote the headband said he would've put zuko katara together lol.
https://omny.fm/shows/avatar-braving-the-elements/meet-the-writer-with-john-obryan?t=26m39s
>>149135308They probably should’ve cared, even if they didn’t personally root for the Kataang ending you can’t just leave two seasons of setup lying on the table without properly addressing it. Aang’s struggle with the Guru at the very least deserved some follow through. Awakening made it seem like Aang would be a lot more self-flagellating this season due to his failure at Ba Sing Se, but that gets left on the table as well. WHY
>>149135276it's almost charming. Avatar was never my fave show so I didn't much care for any shipping that happened here, but even I could see Zutaratards were coping way too hard when it didn't happen. In any case, Zuko was always most interesting when interacting with his family, the shipping drama took away from that.
>>149135357It's a Nick cartoon. They needed to keep it a (relatively) lighthearted kids show. Could've been kino if they were able to delve deep into Aang's psyche of regret and self-hatred, but nope, he's off to fire nation school! LOL. What wacky hijinks will he get into next?
>>149135468Nah the Headband is kino and underrated, besides it’s important to show what life is like for the average Fire Nation kid. But nonetheless, yeah there is way too much filler in Book 3
Why does the fact that women prefer Zuko over Aang upset anons so much?
>>149135501Why are you trying to stir the pot with low-effort bait?
>>149135508Can you answer my question?
>>149135500It's an ok, admittedly funny episode. I get that it's important to show your average fire nation schmucks being normal people, just indoctrinated by the system blah blah. I'm not convinced we needed a whole footloose homage to do that. We already get a sense of that in other episodes like puppetmaster and the beach. Plus having it right after awakening feels like tonal whiplash. I would cut it. Cut painted lady and nightmares & daydreams while you're at it. And boiling rock - not even bad, but did not need to exist.
>>149135677On 2nd thought, nightmares and daydreams was kinda important, at least from Zuko's pov. Maybe that could've been worked into another episode. Or maybe they could've taken Aang's story more seriously. It might've been a good time to bring up Aang's moral dilemma that he apparently didn't consider until southern raiders. fucking dumb.
>>149125332 (OP)they shoulda done that thing they do in animes where they show their tongues wrestling each other.
>>149127373the voices in his head compell him! notice how mostly all the other kataang fags we’re actually reasonable and then he immediately samefags with the the same 20 years/delusional cope. he probably samefags as a zutarafag just to rile shit up
>>149125359Only the zutara shippers.
Season 3 was bad and Aang and Katara have no chemistry at all
>>149130418Aang got more mature by the end cause he literally had to end a fucking war.
>>149137177>oh my energybending>maturitychoose one
>>149135831>the last cuck-chair bender
>>149136937Exactly
They're not people
>>149125532self inserters because they wanted a dreamy fuckboi like zuko
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJsxfOnT9Y8
>>149131625Where's the YABBA DABBA DOO posting?
>>149137749Cute and canon!
>>149126215Since WW2, Jews took it very personal with the Arian thing
This IP is entirely kept afloat by lusting after cute girls isn't it?
>>149138390I was going to argue otherwise, but in spite of the quality of the series, I realize I only care about:
Mai
Ty Lee
Kyoshi (plus Rangi and to a lesser extent Kirima from her books)
Yangchen
Korra (the character, not the show)
Etc...
Yeah you're entirely right
>>149137705someone did one of sokka by the looks of it
>>149133548the sudden 50 rise in the pandemic and above 25 when the live action came out right?
>>149126106What's the matter?, we have been doing it for centuries.
>>149135501women prefer aang/zuko
>>149134975All these ships are 50% better, but are fanfiction.
>>149138390>held up by lusting after the girls>a certain section of the fandom hate the main characterwow it really is anime
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>>149125332 (OP)I just can’t see Katara ever liking Aang that way- if she did it would have been obvious from the jump- women know if they like you within 5 seconds of meeting you and their opinion can only go lower from that point- Aang has the saved the world tax which yeah I guess would make him desirable now but Katara was literally jukin’ him right until he defeated Ozai- and she didn’t even approach him either he approached her and pretty much snatched his kiss like it was a victory lap- which is pretty based but- I can see why most people or a lot of people just couldn’t buy in to this couple- the slow burn never felt like there was mutual attraction- Katara’s chemistry with Zuko was superior
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This post is completely wrong. Do not engage
>>149138543yangchen fans exist?
>>149139182I never got a romance vibe either. She was like his protective big sis, and I don't feel like it evolved beyond that. The "romantic moments" like that pic feel forced, and isolated from their usual dynamic. Maybe they could've sold me with better execution, idk.
>>149139188too bad fucker
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>>149139259Admittedly it's mostly from her books and the stuff they gave her, but I've always liked her even with as little as we had
>>149139373Get fucked retard
>>149133374Only in the animation industry- in every other entertainment medium you get backstage secrets from crew members all the time
No 14 year old girl would ever fuck a twelve year old. Women rarely go for men who are the same age as them, they NEVER go for younger men. Let alone prepubescent men. My father is 8 years older than my mom.
Either wait until the age gap between Kataang is less awkward, or don't do it at all.
>>149139259Yangchen is based for telling Aang to grow some balls and kill Ozai.
>>149139403Damn you're stupid
>>149133643God that would have been incredible with the right writers- Aang in the middle of war time just being a big funk over Katara with everyone trying to snap him out of it- would have been a nice little endgame tension before the finale
>>149139403my sister is literally with a younger man. My grandmother was older than my grandfather. So, you're full of shit. I agree on the teen / prepubescent thing tho.
>>149139432>>149139413>argument from anecdote
>>149139467Anecdotes are all I need when you make a bullshit absolutist claim.
Aang and Katara had three kids lol
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>>149139373Yea the real kicker for me was Jet- we KNOW Katara’s type and it’s not Aang, so to say she just wasn’t interested in romance cause of the war or whatever in the beginning sounds like bullsh*t- she really just did not like Aang, Katara was just too dominant and independent for me to buy her taking Aang as a romantic partner seriously- the writers really overplayed their hand revealing Jet because it instantly resonated in the viewers minds the type of guys Katara is into- so why wouldn’t they get attached to Zutara when Zuko is pretty much an updated version of Jet without all the baggage by the time he and Katara have their 2nd solo episode? Just bad execution on all fronts there
>>149139373see
>>149126357He’s just taking the piss at this point to necrobump
How do Zutarans feel about Korrasami?
>>149139575>Katara and Aang can't be cause Katara likes psychos How is this a good message for kids?
>>149133225>The last Aang and Katara talked she was still ambivalent about their relationshipAlso he was fucking seething at her with the whole killing Ozai shit.
>>149139599>thinking avatar had any good messages to kidsa lion turtle isn’t coming solve your problems. zuko isnt a psycho retard
>>149139595Pointless but inoffensive, which is one of the nicer things I can say about LoK's writing.
>>149134312Kataang isn't a big focus of A:tlA since romance isn't a big focus of A:tLA.
Narrative-wise, it is also there moreso to focus on giving Aang a goal outside of his plot responsibility, and Katara's arc isn't really built around the romance at all.
It isn't a great subplot, more of a necessary one. I mean if Aang didn't find a lover by the end of the series, he'd have a bit of a downer ending. Saving the world, but still having no family.
>>149134370Every reasonable person knew Kataang was inevitable, and that Zutara made no sense. But the die-hard shippers weren't there for logic or story-telling, but just the aesthetics, really. Zuko is hot and edgy, they self-inserted as Katara, they didn't find Aang attractive in any romantic sense. Simple as.
Of course, you're right, Zutara is really dumb since the two barely ever interact, and have maybe 6 minutes of screentime together where they don't hate each other? The show was ending far too quickly to build up any relationship there, and there was no real reason too anyway.
>>149139595its somehow worse than makkorra, which was a failed zutara clone
>>149139649>zuko isnt a psycho retardZuko and Jet had nothing in common beyond deep seeded rage and a tendency for violence. You're basically saying Katara should enter a relationship with guys like this.
>>149139658The Gaang IS his family. He doesn't need to fuck one of them for that to be true.
>>149139670>you’re that wasn’t me who said that, im just pointing out that giving a shit about messages in atla is a fools errand. jet and zuko are nothing alike
>>149139658>Every reasonable person knew Kataang was inevitableTell that to the people who actually wrote for the show
>>149139712Well they wrote that they kissed anon
did she make it to adulthood?
as someone who watched the show years after it ended it seems bizarre that Zutara shippers were a thing. they just have zero romantic chemistry and Aang/Katara was obviously happening the whole time
if you like Zutara as a wish fulfillment or fan thing that's fair
Oh boy, an Avatar shipping thread!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1Ci4xDesZQ
>>149139766you can stop samefagging man, we heard you the third time
I'm convinced that 99% of Zutarans became Reylos.
>>149139797Doesn't matter, the final product does
>>149139766They didn't watch the show, they can't even stand the main character
>>149139799are you just going to accuse everyone of samefagging now
i wonder how much bryke this one schizo to shill for them. most be a tall order after korra made everyone aware that they are lying hacks
>has one of the most op abilities in the series
>no one else learns it
i mean seriously take away any main characters bending outside of zuko and their fucked
>>149139844>everyoneKek. at least try to hide it better next time retard
I love how vastly different Aang and Katara’s final moment before the out of nowhere kiss was compared to Zuko and Katara’s final moment
>Katara says they’re trying to help, Aang yells at her and storms off, she’s ready to follow and confront him only to be stopped by Zuko
>meanwhile Zuko saves Katara’s life, she saves him back and cries tears of joy for him, thanking each other
What the fuck were they thinking?
>>149139860>outside of zuko and their fuckedBut he wasn't that skilled either, he fucking sucked at everything he tried to do, including romance, see: Mai
>zutaranigger still seething
kek keep those salty tears coming faggot
>>149139884>What the fuck were they thinking?Showrunners overrode the writer's room and forced their ending. Many such cases.
>>149139893skilled enough to kill a bender the second they lose their bending even ozai said zuko could just kill him during the eclipse and he wouldn't have a counter
Aang beat Zuko's dad and Zuko couldn't even beat his sister lol
>>149139893this is the biggest lie azulafags have been pushing for years. he is at worst the 4th best firebender, and is a master swordsman. in terms of stealth, zuko is in a league of his own
>>149139810Nerds know shit about romance. That's why they hate Zutara and can't understand why Reylo was a thing.
>AEEEEEEEIIIIIII ROCK-SAMA SAVE MEEEEEE!!!
vs
>insane bitch threw the duel she was getting stomped in by attacking a bystander
>>149139884You left out
>Katara and Zuko bonding in Raiders>Aang sexually assaulting Katara in EIPthe last few episodes were amazing for zuko-katara and absolute dogshit for katara-aang.
Avatar state was bullshit. Instant win button. Aang should have defeated Ozai without it.
>>149139893Mai sucks as a partner, thats not on zuko
>>149139978katara's clit every night
>>149140035that's aang, after he breed her and impregnated her with three kids
Zutara will be canon in the Netflix show, Bryke quit because of it
>>149140148They don't have the guts.
>>149140148>the ship that sucks will be canon in the live action remake that sucksNot the win you think it is, anon
At most, she'd give him one pity fuck for saving the world.
They wouldn't stay together.
>>149140186The OG cartoon is hardly the best thing ever. Netflix ATLA is still better than Korra thoughbeit.
>>149140207>one pity fuckPity kiss maybe. What teenage girl would fuck picrel?
>>149140221I wouldn't even say say
Say what you will about Korra, but at least it had original and sometimes interesting ideas, and while large chunks of it were mid to straight up terrible, there were single and stretches of episodes that were pretty good, sometimes even on par with the og
>>149140252Korra ruined the animated industry. It's the reason we had to endure almost ten years for Tumblrbait yuri couples in almost every cartoon.
>>149140186Of course they like slop
>>149139599It’s an honest one- a woman’s dating history never lies
>>149140231That's just an asian boy. Of course zutarafags are racist lol
>>149140286You know that Zuko is Asian too, right?
>>149140295Zuko looks less asian than Aang
>>149140286You say racist, I say realist
>>149140295So? You're just posting a regular asian kid and saying
>ew look at this disgusting kid lol
>>149140316he looks like a jap, holy christ you’re retarded. playing the race card in atla shipping is moronic for either side
>>149140352I'm saying that no teenage girl would fuck a prepubescent boy. I posted the image so you could picture it and how creepy it would be. Animation doesn't do it justice.
>>149140354>>149140363Why even post a real child? You freaks are saying "ew no girl could fuck this" at some random little boy you disgusting pedophile
Zutarafags are pedos gross
>>149140377You're the one advocating for this relationship and fantasizing about it. Not me. Kaatangfags projecting as always.
>>149140060>>149140035
>>149140399I was talking about a cartoon and then you or some other fag posted a real kid you sick pedo
>>149140377that wasnt me faggot. stop either of you avatards stop projecting?
am I the only one that thought zuko looked much older than 16? I thought he was like 20
>>149140644Nah but I thought Azula was 18
The problem was that Aang had no chemistry with anyone. And Zuko was the extreme opposite, having chemistry with both women and men.
>>149140659yeah her too desu. She is NOT 14 lmfao
Sensible centrist here. I don't like kataang but zuko is for ||azula||. Katara literally hated him up until the last like 10 episodes
>>149140714>discord spoiler taggingJEJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJ
>>149140714>sensible>incestfag
>>149140035>katara's clit every night*Aang's semen out of Katara's quivering and used pussy every night
FTFY
>>149140933Zuko does give me beta vibes more than anyone
>>149140951what is with all of you guys projecting onto cartoon characters one way or another? Zuko was anything but a beta, the guy fought a bunch of earth soldiers thigs just because he couldn’t let idea of them slide.
>>149137749>>149137765>>149139314>>149140078Fuck you cunt stop spamming. You do the same thing schizos do in /a/ Bleach threads spamming Orishitme (worst girl). Just to rile people up. You look like a cunt
It's obvious you are shit stirring if people see that the characters you spam aren't popular. But that's not why you spam, is it? You don't give a shit about Aang
People on /a/ love Rukia and everyone likes Zuko more than Aang. Cope
End yourself and take the schizo spammers with you
>>149140295>>149140316to be fair, only iroh IS 100% asian-coded if you catch my drift
>>149140951aang literally put on the kyoshi warrior facepaint mate, lipstick included
idrc about the shipping, but why do aangfags hate zuko so much again?
the fantasy of aang 'cucking' someone is as forced as a black woman being into blacked
>>149141040The OP pic is literally Aang and Katara kissing lmao you're the fucking schizo
>>149130478>uses that pic as your examplePretty sure anyone would snap like she did if they hadn't actually slept in several days, anon
>>149141040Based. honestly Some KA’s are cool but this trog brings down the whole lot
>>149141128>>149141141Here we go lmao did spammer kun get butthurted ;)
>>149141128they're so cute together
>>149141170You're crazy lmao
>>149141040>and everyone likes Zuko more than Aang.Doesn't mean Katara and Zuko should be together
Nice thread you've got here.
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I first started coming to /co/ regularly during the finale of ATLA to talk about it. I remember when admitting that made me a newfag.
>>149141281Meh
Mai should be more bottom heavy than top heavy while Ty Lee is the big titted one though both should have bigger tits and butts than Azula, lol
>>149141391Nah, Ty should also have a big butt, since she's more agile and big boobs are heavy.
>>149141141>all of these kids will hate their father well into adulthood Lol
>>149141430Who cares about them? All we need to know is that Aang had three kids and managed to continue the Air nation legacy.
>>149141281Mai and Zuko had no chemistry. It's strange that this is the only person Zuko didn't have any chemistry with, and there's also Toph. But she didn't have any chemistry with anyone either
Mai x Aang works pretty well
>>149141451Korra did that by leaving the portals open and allowing Harmonic Convergance. Tenzin’s kids are mostly girls anyway so Aang’s bloodline is effectively over
The real reason you hate it is because you tried it and it didn't work, and the reason it didn't work wasn't because of the age gape, but because you aren't enough and never will be enough no matter how much you actually have. No matter how hard to try, how golden your heart is, if you follow all the rules and followed the path that everyone else got rewarded on, you will ALWAYS be the exception. You will never be given a reason other than "because" and no one will ever care.
>>149141506Aang x most of the girls works pretty well. He's a naturally pleasant guy.
>>149141466 why not both?
>>149141466they got a whole episode 'cuddling' together at her house in daydreams though
>>149141429Fair, I just think Mai's should, if ever so slightly, have the edge ass wise, while Ty Lee is the one with slightly bigger tits
As I mentioned, both also should mog the shit out of Azula from above and below
>>149141563A harem with Aang and all three fire nation girls would be so peak
>>149141592It came out of nowhere, without any build-up. We know that Zuko had a “life” in the Fire Kingdom. But since he lived in exile, that would have caused the long-range relationship to fade over time. And in that period he ended up feeling things for Katara and other people, which would have made his relationship with Mai much more complicated. It's a good episode, but it mischaracterizes Zuko. Not to mention the fact that he had more moments with Katara, the writers really felt that they were a good match, even if it ended in a romantic relationship
>>149141263It still does make you a newfag, newfag.
t.Covid tier newfag
>>149141723>he ended up feeling things for Katarayeah, some guilt maybe
>>149141723>And in that period he ended up feeling things for KataraSuch as?
>>149141598Azula getting breast envy does seem in character.
>>149141723>But since he lived in exile, that would have caused the long-range relationship to fail They werent going out before, but Zuko was Mai's childhood Crush and I am pretty sure that Ty-Lee teased her about this in S2.
Plus, the writers had decided to pretty much pair everyone Up in the final season and they couldnt just leave out the protagonist.
>>149135501Why does me not caring about mentally ill women or their opinions upset you so much?
>>149139575Arent we forgetting about someone else?
>>149142139why is toph so invested in katara's sexual life?
>>149141516>Tenzin’s kids are mostly girls anyway so Aang’s bloodline is effectively overDo you understand how bloodlines work? Cause I don't think you do.
>>149142272I was confused by his post too but I didn't want to entertain him. Like, how does Jinora and Ikki being girls prevent them from having kids...
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>>149141263here is to another 20 happy years!
>>149141804Empathy, regret, shame.
>>149142388Which doesn't negate any feelings for Mai
>>149139742A lightning bolt got her ass iirc.
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>>149141563Personally I think he's a little too carefree to mesh well with some of the more serious-minded girls, like Azula or Mai. Tyang makes sense to me, though, especially since she's got gymnast octoplet level fertility so they can get that airbender repopulation project in the fast lane.
Katara is on the edge, but she's super idealistic and thinks in terms of emotions much like Aang does, so it still works IMO. Not the most fun ship, but it's functional.
>>149141466>Mai and Zuko had no chemistry.Why do people keep saying this? It's the only canon couple in the show (other than SokkaXYue) that managed to feel genuinely sweet, instead of just "Oh, good for them".
>>149142404Not because he’s romantically interested in Katara but because he sees the damage his nation has caused through her pain. I assumed that anon was referring to non-romantic feelings since he mentioned other people like that family and village Zuko met in “Zuko Alone”. His link to the Fire Nation and Mai by extension would be diminished by what he’s learned. Mai represented his old life, which didn’t fit Zuko anymore after what he’s gone though. The show shows at his turmoil too and how incompatible Zuko and Mai’s relationship is. This is all assuming Zuko was in an actual relationship with Mai before he was exiled. I agree with that anon that Maiko was very poorly developed and the only thing that indicated a possible relationship between them before Zuko came back to the FN was a one-sided crush from Mai when they were little kids.
>>149142551this 6th grade cringe tier dialogue is sweet to you? it doesn’t even make sense for zuko to find someone hating the world appealing, and this before getting into the beach shit show
>>149142617I was in like 6th grade when I saw it, so yeah?
>>149142811i was a freshmen when this came out. age really does shift perspective i guess
>>14912910214 and 16 is different than 12 and 14, One person being prepubescent and the other being a teenager is the part making it weird
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>>149125332 (OP)Seventeen years.
You niggas have been seething for the last seventeen years.
Or bitching about Azula's redemption arc for, again, seventeen years.
Or lusting after Toph for, again, seventeen years.
If you watched this while you were on the right age range for the cartoon, you are about to hit your thirties. If you were a teen, you are most likely in your thirties. I've read some of you say you watched this while you were in univ, meaning you are now nearly fourty-
Do you get what I mean?
What will you do when instead of seventeen it's twenty? Thirty? Fourty? "Grandpa, what did you used to do when you were younger? Oh I used to get into online arguments about a cartoon that ended 50 years ago."
Please go outside.
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>>149142959>"Grandpa, what did you used to do when you were younger? Oh I used to get into online arguments about a cartoon that ended 50 years ago."i aspire to be this person
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>>149142959Congrats, you just described 90% of /co/
>>149142959why do you faggots project as if people cant walk and chew gum at the same time?
>oh he didn’t like parts of my favorite cartoon and talks about it on the internet, he must be a smelly bum who never leaves his basementthis is unironically a corny twitter post that would have been better served in that cesspool of utter retardation. and then you faggots wonder why media literacy is down the drain
>>149142991One of you fuckers is gonna end up in a nursing home and ramble every day about wanting to have unprotected anal sex with Sugilite while motorboating Pomni while Jessica Rabbit licks your anus. Christ. I pity the nurse that will see there when you finally die, after getting a turbo erection from a Looney Toons rerun.
>>149140148Man I never cared about the shipping wars and I want that so bad, the seethe would be incredible.
there's something seriously vile about people having a problem with 'hero gets the girl'
>>149142959>>149143010>Or lusting after Toph for, again, seventeen years.
>>149142617>it doesn’t even make sense for zuko to find someone hating the world appealingSure it does: one of Zuko's core characteristics is feeling aggrieved by the world. Firstly personally, then because his goals keep slipping further and further away, then finally because his sense of justice keeps getting frustrated. Mai is one of the first characters Zuko meets who goes "Yeah, you're right, everything DOES suck.", of course he'd find that refreshing and endearing. Especially after years of Iroh going "I'm sure everything will work out, Nephew." and weeks of Azula going "Why are you angsty? I'm only openly scheming against you for fun, relax."
>>149142892Freshman in what?
>>149143086where do you think we are
>>149142224>Was this guy your boyfriend or something? when asking katara about Jet>I knew it! You did have a secret thing with Haru!she's living vicariously through her
aka toph has been self inserting before it was cool
>>149142551>Personally I think he's a little too carefree to mesh well with some of the more serious-minded girls, like Azula or MaiTrue, but considering Mai's best friend is Ty Lee, while she's more serious and closed off, she likes being around people who are openly and unabashedly authentic, like Aang
Zutarans crash out when you remind them that picrel is canon.
>>149134461This Really was the last time this thread was chill before it went full retard. Mods really should end the thread when the going is good
>>149143489>one of Zuko's core characteristics is feeling aggrieved by the world.The world isn't his father. he felt like he was born with a bad hand, but that's not the same thing as the world being out to get him.
>Mai is one of the first characters Zuko meets who goes "Yeah, you're right, everything DOES suck.">headcannonIt's crazy how far you have to invent for the dynamic with mai to make sense, especially when the show doesn't show Zuko's perpsective on it until it becomes a thing in season 3. Zuko knew mai long before he got banished so this fanfic makes no sense
>>149135198I didn't realize how close Zucest was, even though I know this graph is at least 5+ years old. Azula is tied in third place with Jet and Sokka. That's not nothing.
>>149143689>she's living vicariously through her Oh my God, I forget that Toph is just a 12 year old girl in the series. That is actually very adorable.
Semi related but I prefer her with Aang. Not because because I like Zutara, because I hate Katara.
>>149142959>implying /co/ isnt discussion for dead media: the board
>>149144331Not a lot of cartoons these days
>>149142959I do go outside. I shitpost here when I'm tired and done outside for the day. Also, Azula should have been redeemed by her brother.
>>149144331>>implying /co/ isnt discussion for dead media: the boardNot like there's any new good shows to discuss.
>>149144370>>149144409not complaining about it
(when the thread hasnt been swarmed by mongs like this one)
game of thrones and it's consequences have been a disaster for smut as a whole
>>149143906>The world isn't his father. he felt like he was born with a bad hand, but that's not the same thing as the world being out to get him.Zuko does feel like the world is out to get him. That was his whole thing from S1 to S2, was him feeling like no matter what he did things never worked out. Hell, in the episode where he learns to redirect lightning, there is a whole scene of him literally raging at the heavens. Even after his joining the heroes, he still has a chip on his shoulder and a lot of anger. It's mostly directed at his father and the war at that point, but there's still a lot of general anger and frustration.
>Mai is one of the first characters Zuko meets who goes "Yeah, you're right, everything DOES suck.">headcanonShe is, though. Iroh listened to Zuko rage, but almost always tried to defuse it with jokes, changing the topic, or reassuring him that it'd work out in the end. The few times characters other than Iroh responded to Zuko's rage or sadness prior to S2 finale were all them trolling him over it. The first Maiko interaction in S3 we see is him worrying about how much he's changed, and her response amounts to "Yeah, but it'll be alright. You're returning in glory and honor.". Sure, she's eventually wrong, but that's the first time in the whole show that Zuko gets affirmation and told what he wants to hear, without it being a lie, trap, or manipulation.
From Zuko's perspective, Mai's appeal is that she sincerely cares about his happiness; and uniquely, she cares about his happiness MORE than she cares about his duty, or honor, or moral obligations. Even he doesn't do that.
>>149134998Was going to say I preferred the whole gaang together for the final scene than katara and aang making out before I realized this was supposed to be a ship thing
>>149144737I agree, it should've ended on a group shot.
>>149144732Zuko outright says it in the season 1 finale that he felt like he was given a raw deal at birth but he never blames the world for his problems. He also says that his struggles have made him strong. his life was a mess during the points you mention but even in the scene, but there is a key difference between luck never going your way and feeling the whole world is against you, the latter has to do with people and there were plenty of times zuko was afforded grace by people in and out of the fire nation.
>Iroh listened to Zuko rage,but almost always tried to defuse it with jokes, changing the topic, or reassuring him that it'd work out in the end. Anon... Fuck you! i'm so tired of you fucking cucks revising iroh's narrative to prop xyz character up. if it's not azula, it's mai, or Ursa or whichever fire nation character this shit series wants to absolve of all wrong doing.
>The first Maiko interaction in S3 we see is him worrying about how much he's changed, and her response amounts to "Yeah, but it'll be alright. You're returning in glory and honor."Notice you have to be a dishonest cunt and omit the part where she outright says she didn't ask for his life story?
>that's the first time in the whole show that Zuko gets affirmation and told what he wants to hear, without it being a lie, trap, or manipulation.Yeah... you maifags genuinely do not watch this show, because iroh did that in episode 3 after he fought zhao. "My nephew has more honor than you" isn't affirmation? Shut the fuck up with this bullshit
>>149145007"Ever since i lost my son, i think of you as my own."
The absolute nerve to claim Iroh never affirmed Zuko.... jfc shipfagging has fucked discourse on this series
>>149144732>but that's the first time in the whole show that Zuko gets affirmation and told what he wants to hear, without it being a lie, trap, or manipulation.>https://avatard.org/atla_b1/e7/1186018/Why would even lie about something so demonstrably false?
>>149145007>>149145207First of all, ease up on the salt. Second of all, I was very specific about the "being told what he wants to hear without it being a lie" part. Yes, Iroh offered Zuko support and affirmation, but not in the way Zuko wanted to hear it, because what he WANTS to hear is some version of "You're right and this is the correct course of action". But Iroh never said that, because he knows better than to lie.
Also, there's a massive difference between "I will support you no matter what" from a mentor/guardian figure, and "You succeeded, now stop worrying and enjoy the fruits of victory" from a near-peer. Yes, ultimately Iroh was right, Mai was wrong, and Zuko wouldn't be happy until he had fought and won the moral victory. But from Zuko's perspective, it's still nice to have a girl his age who tells him he did good and can be selfish if he wants.
>>149145424>First of all, ease upNope, you tards need to be called out more often for even being comfortable saying such nonsense
>I was very specific about the "being told what he wants to hear without it being a lie" part.This is also not true at all.
> but not in the way Zuko wanted to hear it, because what he WANTS to hear is some version of "You're right and this is the correct course of action". But Iroh never said that, because he knows better than to lie.Your essentially saying Mai is good for Zuko because she placated him at his lowest instead of telling him what he needed to here. by itself this is a terrible endorsement for Mai, but when know that it's not true at all that she was the first person to tell him what he wanted to here in a positive way, it becomes an even more dogshit cope.
>>149145424>"You're right and this is the correct course of action". But Iroh never said that>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c50AA7aM-sRetard
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>>149126268>this is prior to women becoming fujos and endlessly obsessing over gay male shipsAh the good old times when I didn't even knew what this shit meant.
my headcanon is that iroh sees zuko looking at katara and encourages him to go for it
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>both ATLA and Korra have canon pairings that fans have been seething about for years
>>149146461It's almost like Avatar is a horrible, massively overrated franchise. The original show gets mogged by anime shounen anime.
>it's horrible cause it didn't affirm my shitty tastes in men and relationships
yuck
>>149146510Zutara will always be more popular. How's that feel, little man?
Aang is lucky he doesn't have to put up in real life bitches.
>>149146528The thing is I don't get why kataang fans get so defensive when people don't like it/criticize it despite it being canon.
>just posting these two kissing gets people in seething unwarranted childish rage
>wondering why kataang are on the defense
>>149146567because deep down they know it's unrealistic
Maybe real women should change instead
>>149146510he aint that tall nigga
>>149135501This reads as some immature middle aged woman who still hates her father
>spams fanart
>nobody responds until he starts seething because people don’t like his ship
>projects
This is just pathetic.
>>149146673He keeps coming up with a new spam, then get's surprised when people still laugh and call him a retard. it's hilarious
Too many fat bitches on this board who like emo boys lol
>>149146461At the very least, Kataang and Maiko have actual buildup and substance you don't have to crane your head 90° to see
>get mad at Kataang “spam”
>still lurks the thread anyway to “laugh”
Kek yeah zutara fags are even more retarded than their ship
>>149146591You've been spamming it the whole thread though, I dont even hate kataang.
>>149146597It isn't perfect but it's canon anyway it's not like their ship is in danger or something, I genuinely do not get the insecurity.
> You've been spamming it the whole thread though
Literally not against rules. Half the thread isn’t Kataang. You just don’t want to see it at all.
>>149146719was there any pairing that fans liked in tlok anyway?
>>149146763 nta but you need to stop behaving like a nigger, please.
>>149146763Who said anything about rules you've been at this for awhile now that I started to notice while browsing through the thread.
>>149146591kataang warms my heart
>>149146744I think it's less insecurity and more being so used to being beaten down by Zutara shippers that hostility becomes a reflex
Kinda like Izuocha with BKDK shippers. The former is and will forever be canon, but because of years of the delusional shippers of the latter being so toxic and contentious it essentially wires them to be defensive immediately
>>149146723It’s crazy right? If it bothers them they might as well leave since it’s not breaking any rules. At this point they like the mental abuse they put on themselves since they’re talking about a show they hate, that’s also one of the most popular shows ever made and is well liked by most.
>>149146804I mean people liked Korrasami for the porn, but that was before it became canon
No one acts like a dumb nig more than Zuko
>>149146824Literally nothing will take away Avatar’s legacy, certainly not some ugly fat retarded cunt on this board, xitter, tumblr, wherever.
>>149146823Makes sense, atla at it's peak did have crazy shippers. I remember a lot of the Zutara shippers being particularly insufferable if you said didn't mind Aang and Katara ending up together.
>>149146763I like KA and think you're acting insecure. just because something is allowed doesn't mean you aren't coming off like an insecure faggot
>>149146928Holy fuck you’re retarded. Just get over it or kill yourself cause you’re not gonna make it in the real world acting like such a bitch.
You might be false flagging too by saying “I’m Kataang and even I think you’re going too far cause you posted three pics”
>>149146823>>149146886>I think it's less insecurity and more being so used to being beaten down by Zutara shippers that hostility becomes a reflex>Playing the victim mentalityYall really out here admitting you got bullied by tumblrina landwhales? TOPKEK
>>149146928they're literally just pictures
Anyway, Zutara should have been canon
Zuko nearly jobbed even when Azula was at her worst state. How can anyone still like this pathetic weak worm? Aang ended the war, that was goal, not killing Ozai.
>>149146971Couldn't be me but you ever went through the atla tags or read the shitflinging going down on the comment sections on deviantart, absolute gold.
>>149146956>The real world>he said posting on 4chanWho said anything about 3 pics?
>you're a samefagg if you disagreeI'm starting to realize mental illness is rampant among avatar fans here regardless of which tribe they support.
for me, it's kataang and zucest when it comes to ships
>>149146836korrasami had that much porn back in the day? i sincerely doubt it, it's more likely that people just found the idea of a crack ship such as that one quite funny, remember korra used to get shipped with that smug fuck back in season 1?
though maybe porn does have influence over people's tastes, because i am 90% sure that the guy spamming tumblr kataang pictures and seething about the sweet prince might not like that most of zutara porn is straight up NTR for some reason.
>>149146836I just thought they were cute together, I didn't want it to become canon
Made no sense besides pandering to shippers
Foursome, take it or leave it.
>Zuko nearly jobbed
Retardbro…
>>149147061>that smug fuck back in season 1?Who? The pro water bender?
>most of zutara porn is straight up NTR for some reason.Lmfaoo, didn't this happen with Sokka and Suki too? At least that's the impression I got from /co/ when the comic started teasing Suki and Zuko.
>>149147000Zuko is the basically the incel of the show, next to Jet. No one likes him but his uncle, so fandom have to overcompensate.
>>149147135>bald cuck cope
>>149147022>you ever went through the atla tags or read the shitflinging going down on the comment sections on deviantart, absolute gold....I guess. I just dont understand this hard pivot of saying kataaniggers were oppressed by zutards.
>>149147061And another thing, both sides have their share of tumblrinas and autists. this memewar is the equivalent of the spidermen pointing meme
>>149147135Das not what incel means...
>>149147159Are you living under a rock you something?
>>149147135>Song>Jin>the crowds of women at the beach>>149147154Both of you retards are incapable of not projecting. Crazy what shipperbrainrot does to a mfer
>>149147103>Who? The pro water bender? I didnt remember him having such a sharp chin
also
>seething about fucking jet out of nowhere yeah, this guy is really insecure about his christ figure being memed as a cuckold
>merely mention jet
>this is seething
You guys can’t get anymore disingenuous lol
>>149147135>No one likes himAre you actually braindead? He wouldn’t have made it out of Boiling Rock if it wasn’t for Mai, who despite feeling betrayed by him, still helped him escape because she loves him more than she feared Azula.
>>149147226>ThisFuck off back to whatever shithole you subscribe to faggot
>>149147219Mai barely seemed happy towards the end of the show. No one can stand Zuko for long, that’s why his mother left and why he was later banished.
>>149147166>"so fandom have to overcompensate">"living under a rock you something?"ESL-kun...
>>149147178>sharp chinHuh it really is, also looked it up and some of the first few images are ship art of him and Korra kek.
>>149147156>both sides have their share of tumblrinas and autists. this memewar is the equivalent of the spidermen pointing meme neither of them are that great either
>out of arguments
>must resort to being a grammar nazi
>>149147261>Huh it really is, also looked it up and some of the first few images are ship art of him and Korra kek.post them
>>149147278Love... endures
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>Zuko needed a woman to rescue him from another woman
Such a loser
>>149147240>No one can stand Zuko for long, that’s why his mother left and why he was later banished.Ozai…
>>149147178tahno was just one of the few early Korra characters that had a personality
Imagine if Aang didn’t have his no kill code. Zuko would’ve been long gone.
>>149147329Aang jobs without the lion turtle carrying him
Aang didn't defeat Ozai so he doesn't deserve Katara.
Zuko is the best character in the show and belongs with Azula.
Sokka should have gotten with Tsuki or Toph.
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>>149147306Man people really do love the whole opposites attract thing
>>149147261>some of the first few images are ship art of him and Korra tbf guy doesnt have much going for him aside from that
like desna with eska
> Aang didn't defeat Ozai
Me when I watched with my eyes closed
>>149147296rewatch the crystal cave episode
>shifting to some irrelevant ship when threatened with canon
Lol
let's just all agree that we love Kataang
>>149147373MY ENERGY BENDING
MY LION TURTLE
MY DUNE
>>149147365Well yeah, its been awhile but I don't think he appears outside of season one since they moved onto spirit shit instead of tackling the fallout of the equalist movement.
>trying to fake agree to prevent your own metal breakdown
Kek
>>149147354>Aang didn't defeat OzaiHe literally did though
>>149147415did he ever get his bending back
>>149147449I genuinely don't remember
>>149147432>Aang didn't defeat Ozai>He literally did though
>>149147390she likes it rough, buddy
>keep shifting topic to some shitty Korra ship cause you’re pathetic and pretending not to care about canon
>>149147530I don't even know what you're talking about
>>149147530posting cause
>>149147278 asked while on the topic of LoK
>>149147547You must like the abuse cause you’re still here
I like Katara's hair loopies
>>149125332 (OP)For me it's aristocrat kino
>>149147801aren't they cute though
>>149147877I like their relationship.
>>149147877>Oh, Sokka~TOPH NO
zutara forever in our hearts