Sonic IDW #79

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Just want to point out now that the first 5 pages were just dialogue

Don't screenshot from Youtube videos. You retard.

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References the Hedgehog

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>>149141178
Oh yeah he still had the thing

>>149141334
And that's another villain down

Rate it, I guess

>>149141353
He's gonna go back. I am not sure but villains like him tend to return just to keep the status quo and base traits of a character according to SEGA and Sonic Team

>>149141353
Only eggman and CHADOK are allowed to be villains

>>149141386
Zavok in the pattywagon is something I didn't know I needed

>>149141155
I mean, it IS cowardice, especially when it's a fated battle like this.
Really, this "power of friendship" shit is always done so wrong. It only works when it's done in conjunction with the development of relying on others, something that should require strength of will, and so, the good guy wins because they have grown as a person. Whisper went through no such thing, and ganging up on Mimic like this just makes it so she won simply because she ganged up on him and had the bigger strength in numbers. It's cheap and has no weight.
Even when it's done right, just the idea of the villain being the underdog makes it unappealing. Why would I want to see the heroes fight a downhill battle?
But whatever, it's not like I was expecting anything anyway. I shit on this comic as a hobby.

>>149141305
It's not clear at all what happened here. Whisper didn't turn out to be Mimic, and wasn't calling Tangle Mimic. So Mimic falls into the river? One little explosion and a giant shapeshifter vanishes? So Mimic escaped offscreen that way? And it's a big win for some reason?
I think the disguised as Cream reveal was the best part of the issue. Take that, Baby Dahl.

>>149141353
This certainly didn't feel like 20 pages

>>149141444
Woah there autismo

>>149141515
This needed WAY more pages.

>>149141770
That's the best you got?

>>149141773
Cutting down the back-and-forth at the beginning could've helped loads.

Then again, this story could've been a separate, longer adventure (a mini-series, maybe?). Definitely underwhelming for what was supposed to be a "final battle."

>>149141510
>So Mimic escaped offscreen that way?
Did you miss the part where he got blown to pieces?

What a clusterfuck of a battle.

I also like that Whisper just immediately with zero confirmation of a confirmed kill is like 'Yay!!! I won!!! Its over!'

It's like even the writers are sick of Whisper and her '''''''trauma'''''''' and just wanted this shit over so we can go back to Sonic forgiving warcrime robotnik for ever and ever.

>>149141913
>I also like that Whisper just immediately with zero confirmation of a confirmed kill

See>>149141906

>>149141906
It goes immediately from explosion to catch the rocks and catch Whisper. Nothing about Mimic being defeated, or destroyed, or even a a limp hand resting on the edge of a smoke cloud. No death scene, no defeat scene, no I'll get you next time, etc. An anonymous blur of falling rock, it looks like. So yeah, it looks like the confirmation was left out. Too much for a children's comic? Or just a bad storytelling moment?

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If I don't see confirmed chunky calamari salsa I don't buy it - and especially neither should Whisper who is a trained scout whose arch-nemesis is a dude who can fake appearances and has slipped away from situations like this before. I'd expect at least a 'gee we better make sure' before celebrating total victory and just fucking off.

What a wasted inclusion of Silver, congrats he's a jobber, what the fuck would any Sonicfan get out of reading this?

>>149142007
I don't know if he's supposed to be "dead" dead, but you can see a silhouette with his whole body intact in >>149141279

>>149141353
>Introduce villain
>Hype them up
>"NEXT ISSUE, A BIG EPIC SHOWDOWN!!!"
>Villain is instantly and utterly destroyed with barely a single scratch on the heroes
>Do this for every single fucking original villain you have

https://bleedingcool.com/comics/idw-publishing-states-they-will-definitely-be-around-for-another-year/
IDW has only 12 months left to get more capital otherwise they will have no other choice but to give up some of their license comics like sonic or mlp for example.

Seems to be shelved for a while. The problem is that Whisper was next to Mimic during the explosion, and heres both of them flying off with the same force. Not a scratch on Whisper, so assume not much worse for Mimic.

>>149141334
>no twist that Mimic shanked Whisper in the explosion and took her place
cmon Ian you had something here

>>149142250
Anon, Ian and Evan have wasted literally every single opportunity to do ANYTHING COOL WHATSOEVER for this entire fucking comic. At this point they can't even blame the mandates anymore, they're just straight up retarded.

>>149141906
Comic Law #1: no body? not dead

Speaking of which, is Starline confirmed dead?

>>149142284
>Speaking of which, is Starline confirmed dead?
There's no way he isn't getting brought back as some Frankenstein abomination. They LITERALLY don't have any other villains to use other than Eggman and Zavok.

>>149142284
>Speaking of which, is Starline confirmed dead?
To Ian he's dead but Ian said that if someone else brings him back then they can. I doubt that'll happen. Evan likes using Clutch.

>>149142284
>is Starline confirmed dead
Belle personally confirmed it after he was crushed to death by falling debris.

This panel looks like spite between writers.
>Oh, you made Silver close with Whisper? Fuck you. Heres Whisper and Tangle being joyful, with rainbow and Silver approves it, so fuck you you stupid bitch.

TLDR, did things get gay?

>>149142343
Things got gay a long time ago in this dumb-ass comic

What does the new official Sonic manga, Sonic and the Blade of Courage, mean for IDWnic?

>>149142343
Just the usual amount of gay the comic gets.

>>149142365
Nothing
They're made for separate markets

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>>149142332
His concept art has him as Frankenline, which tells us he's got a good chance of coming back even if he's confirmed to be red mush under a mile of rubble

>Entire final showdown that's been built up
>Mimic unceremoniously gets jumped and absolutely fucked up
>Just enough plausibility to theoretically come back if the writers get lazy
It's a story I guess.

>>149142341
It feels like getting Tangle and Whisper PDA was the primary goal of this issue, and everything else was secondary.

>>149142445
Is it really any worse than how Mimic was exposed during the whole racing arc?

I think at this point we can consider Mimic a complete waste of a character.

I'm so sick of the forced gay shit. Tangle and Whisper haven't had any proper, meaningful interactions since their miniseries SEVEN FUCKING YEARS AGO, yet they keep trying to push the gay shit as if they've been building up to it.

They're better off just killing both characters because they really are just fucking crying lesbians.

>>149142445
This, pretty meh issue.

>>149142482
All that is true, but it's what twitter wants and the fact they celebrate it is taken as them doing a good job.

>>149142007
I find these books very hard to follow. Can't tell if it is because of the art or the writing. Probably a combination. I've read the first 5 deluxe editions, and the pacing is all over the place. Reminds me of the old disney stuff.

This climax to this whole conflict needed to be part of an arc, not one issue.

>>149142482
Twitter lesbians don’t care about character dynamic, or interaction, or fun. They just need the girl to hold hands with the other girl so they know it’s representation of the lgbt.
Just look at Deltarune.

>>149141155
Mimic continuing to be the best original IDW character by correctly pointing out this is cowardly pussy made behaviour.

>>149141318
I hope it's not over you sobbing mess, he was the only cool looking OC from this book.

>>149141353
Don't downplay yourself Vector, the writers have already done it way to much for you and several tasteless anons on this site to.

>>149141305
That's not Whisper, it's Mimic.
The real Whisper fell into the water.

>>149142341
Well having that obnoxious "Silvaze" shoved down my throat by a friend has the same feeling. Like there's also a Sonaze tinged page too so the writers are trying to appease everyone which appeased no one.

>>149142464
Shame since he's the only one with a cool design, unique animal pick/ability set and could be threatening if the writers didn't utterly crib him.

This issue was so shit that even Boco doesn't want to read it.

>>149142250
Ian's hardcore lesbian fetish wouldn't allow him. He needs to see people make more shitty fan art of the two of them fucking

>>149141155
>has always had a friend with her, either deliberately or otherwise, backing her up during literally every single fight
>already fucked over silver and made shit personal with tangle too
>wait wtf why are all your teammates i crossed backing you up during our final showdown that I staged in the middle of a public restaurant where I could easily kill a ton of innocent people
waow
Duo might have been a cute cat boy and had that going for him but mimic himself is just constantly nonstop retarded as fuck every time he shows up and thats the only reason I dont particularly care that they've gone and killed off, like, their last actual villain now just in time to make room for yet another female OC

>>149142506
>it's what twitter wants
Twitter doesn't pay the bills.

>>149142751
Who does? You? You just read a pirated copy on 4chan

>>149142751
No but it still does all their PR work for them.

>>149142482
Don't worry. Once IDW goes under both Tangle and Whisper will either be completely vaulted or completely reworked as characters so that they never interact

>>149142751
But it still does influence the direction of the comics to some degree. The Whispangle ship was started by fans and the artists/writers agreed with it

>>149142787
I wish I could believe that, but I'm pretty certain whoever gets the license next will pick up right where IDW leaves off.

>>149142772
Maybe we wouldn't if the comic was actually good

>>149142793
Also Ian admitted he made Starline fruity because "the fans liked the idea".

>>149142341
Literally every writer pushes Whispangle. Silvisper was never a thing, it was always a crackship.

>>149142365
GAIJIIIIIIIIINS
GET AWAY FROM SUPERIOR NIPON MANGA
DO NOT TRANSLATE
DO NOT DISTRIBUTE
WAIT SEVERAL MONTHS FOR US TO SHIT OUT AN OFFICIAL TRANSLATION FOR YOU TO SPEND MONEY ON

>>149142800
I think that depends on whether SEGA/Sonic Team wants to keep the characters

>>149142717
Shapeshifters are easily the most dangerous type of assassin with a ton of unique capabilities for deception and combat, so why is Mimic the most retarded killer in Sonic?

>>149142800
What about the new editions of the IDW run? Someone have to publish them or else they'll end up like Archie comic.

>>149142821
I've heard they are taking deals in order to publish the manga globally, but I'm sure it's gonna take a while and people don't want to wait.

>>149142826
Because IAN is the most retarded writer in Sonic

>>149142844
Yeah they said they're working on it but manga always takes months to get translated. I still don't understand why they waste so much time and allow fan translations to get ahead of them like that.

>>149142800
Didn't happen to Fleetway. Didn't happen to Archie. Not gonna happen to IDW.

>>149142826
>why is Mimic the most retarded killer in Sonic
The characters are only as smart as the writer, so that should give you an idea why.

>>149142817
Imagine IDW Sonic gets a writer that has doesn't use Twitter. I wonder what that would be like. It wouldn't automatically make it good, but it could shake things up

Also, just for the hell of it, I hope the new jester character is straight

>>149142810
This is how I make a pull list now.
This is how I know to go get that thing that does what I like, or to not.
Today, came close, but it's a "not."

>>149142826
All of the villains in this comic are jokes on the level of Rough and Tumble.

>>149142825
>I think that depends on whether SEGA/Sonic Team wants to keep the characters
They buried Sticks the moment Boom became irrelevant. They'll meet the same fate.

>>149142171
I dont expect much from a sonic comic in terms of artistic merit but yeah the big showdown with your life nemesis and conclusion of the only character arc you even have beyond shipping bullshit deserves a little more ceremonious writing than whatever the fuck this was, just rounding up the posse and effortlessly trolling Mimic into killing himself. Whisper literally doesn't have anything going for her. Even if this is going to be some big character turn where she's all bright and smiles from here on out, congratulations, she's just like every other spunky hero girl IDW can't stop making over and over
The only thing is again Mimic was such a dumb shit fucking nemesis that I almost feel like he deserves such a wet fart of a conclusion but still this should have been a much bigger deal and much more earned. This was Whisper and Mimic's "shirtless fist fight with a time limit" moment

>>149142870
>Imagine IDW Sonic gets a writer that has doesn't use Twitter
Imagine someone who likes Dragon Ball, exercising and going outside wrote for the book.

>>149142928
So a black man???

>>149142864
Fleetway and Archie were adapted works, while IDW has been considered mainline as a means if supplementing the games.

>>149142906
Really? From what I've heard, Sonic Team was okay with having Sticks in the comics, but Ian Flynn threw a hissy fit because they had certain guidelines on how she could be implemented.

>>149142935
Or a Latino.

>>149142284
Seeing what they had Eggman do with Clutch, I can kinda see Starline and Mimic get brainwashed into his domain as well and making a small pseudo Egg Boss group

>>149142939
Wouldn't explain why Sticks was replaced with Blaze in that one Christmas image.

Or maybe it would. I don't know.

>>149142939
>but Ian Flynn threw a hissy fit because they had certain guidelines on how she could be implemented.
He wanted her to be living on Angel Island the whole time and to meet the cast for the first time. SEGA said she lived in some jungle and was already friends with everyone. The sperg couldn't accept it and like the nerd he is, wanted her appearance to be autistically explained in some way.

>>149142944
A Latino writer would probably actually put cool stuff or curvy babes in the book so that would get my thumbs up.

>>149142051
Silver is shit anyway, why the fuck is he here, why is he even still a thing in general?

>>149143001
Because Sonic is too cool for the role and Shadow has a hard lockdown in what he can and can't do. Silver is literally the only option for what they wanted.

>>149143001
Sunk cost fallacy and cosmic spite specifically at me.

>>149142962
It seems we have two very opposing forces of Sega not thinking remotely hard about it and Ian overthinking it super hard.

>>149143001
Silverfag lead writer made him an honorary member of the crying lesbian squad. Silver agreeing to help take down Mimic was set up a while ago when the lesbians sat together in a circle and cried after the heckin Restoration blew up.

>>149143028
She never needed to be explained. All that mattered was that she's this weirdo chick who lives in the jungle and is friends with Amy and Sonic because they're friends with everybody.

>>149143063
He's the token gay male in the female friend group

>>149143063
>Silverfag lead writer made him an honorary member of the crying lesbian squad
Same chick made sure that her OC back in the Archie days would see him as unfuckable and lame.

>>149142907
>This was Whisper and Mimic's "shirtless fist fight with a time limit" moment
So you're saying that this could have been the team fighting each other to find out which one is Mimic, while most of the pages are Whisper and Mimic-as-Tangle and maybe several other girls- wrestle shirtless in the desert? Maybe with some of the villain speech from Cream's scenes?
>Whisper being told everything she ever wanted to by a Tangle that she knows is false.
>Whisper getting aggressively loved by a grown-up Cream who talks sense like a villain.
"Which one do you want to _whisper_ in your ear at night?"

I'm still not sure why they made Silver an honorary lesbian in the first place, but whatever, he gets to do SOMETHING at least.

>>149143080
Like a page or a few panels at most of how they met or knew each other is fine, doesn't need to long an explanation since most people are familiar with her from Sonic Boom. Honestly her interacting with Shadow since he's essentially living proof of lot of crazy conspiracies would be a ton of fun.

>>149143160
Back then nobody on IDW knew how to write him correctly so they just put him in the crying lesbian squad

I liked Mimic so I hope he isn't gone but if he is gone then they can't really ruin him further.

>>149143196
Did you REALLY like Mimic, or did you just like the idea of him? There's a difference.

>>149143188
I don't think anyone knows what to do with Silver, but I'm biased since I don't like any of his characterisations.

>>149143214
To be fair, he's never been well used.

>>149143213
That's a very dangerous question that might be applicable to every character in this franchise

>>149143246
Well I know for fact I really like Metal Sonic, which is why the heavy disrespect he gets these days bothers me.

>>149143213
Uhhh well suppose I like his design since he's a cool sea animal and not just another mammal/rodent, I like that he's more overtly a nasty shit with an actual powerset that makes him have utility and I think his backstory/mindset is interesting enough. Clutch is genuinely terrible on so many fronts but I just think Mimic is really neat but you may have a point on the idea of him being what I like more then the execution since he's used so barely and doesn't fully reach what he could be as a villain. Frankly with Sonic continuities I always gravitate to the villains that actually are unique animal picks like Mordred Hood, Ahklut or Mimic as I mentioned.

This comic is so boring, man. Even when it tries to be action-y it still falls flat.

where's sheep booba

>>149143293
Lanolin's on stand-by. You'll get Rouge next issue though

>>149143238
I liked Sonic actively disliking him in Preboot Archie but even there he took to much focus and spotlight. Frankly my only story arc idea is an insanely petty one where he gets pursued down by another time traveller but a much more disturbed one who wants to erase Silver cause his existence as the guy that fixes bad futures means the future rots immediately to let him serve that function, effectively meaning as long as Silver exists that a bad future has to for him to save.

>>149143324
>Lanolin's on stand-by.
Hopefully we get a one-shot or miniseries about Lanolin and Jewel at the former's hometown that also introduced Lanolin's mom.

>>149143293
On a Welshman wanking whistle

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>>149142935
you've had that already

>>149143196
How can you like him? He's the most incompetent infiltrator. He fucks up literally every mission he ever has and he had the dumbest most arbitrary retarded motivation ever
>be a good guy
>woops I have friends they probably hate me gotta kill them
>mission: kill friends
>the scout-sniper was out scout-sniping and survived, mission failed
>mission: kill ex-friend
>she has friends now, mission failed
>mission: break out of prison and team up with starline
>I dont even remember what happened here lol all turn on each other and go solo instead of like at least just forming a loosely cooperative network with all your anti-eggman villain cohorts i guess
>mission: undermine the restoration for clutch
>reveal self to surge for no real reason, she hates you, cover blown because you left your spy radio on speakerphone (why does it even have that?) mission failed
>mission: epic final showdown
>she still has friends, mission failed
>commit suicide
Un fucking believable. He genuinely has zero Ws. Zero times on screen where he hasn't sucked at life, his job, and everything

>Eggmans a war criminal
>Starline in limbo
>Rough & Tumble are only threats to civs
>Mimic got jumped and might be dead
>Kit & Surge are (jobbing)victims
>Clutch btfo
>Deadly Six got deported
>Salamander wasn’t evil just some animal
>Mecha was a victim/good boy

How the fuck do you fix the IDW villain problem?

>>149143559
With competent writers

Or cancelation

>>149143419
I'm sure if he had better writers, the character would've been great.

Just give him a proper fighting set and an usable knife with special effects in order to be PG-friendly (kinda like Heavy Shinobi's ice katana) and set.

Maybe the genuine fans should start to write and draw the infiltrator better than the officizal

>>149143559
Create other factions, may be new or old villains (even pulling rectons if necessary for a come back), make proper world building and tell proper conflitcts instead of being so slapdash as usual.
Too bad IDW don't have enough money for writers and Sega doesn't care as long the slop is sold.

>>149143559
Eggman was only a war criminal for one story arc. He’s a lazy bitch that just sits around and waits for the heroes to attack him now. Either the writers got cold feet from all the criticisms of Metal Virus they got or they are trying to follow Frontier’s soft version of the character.

>>149143293
I have mixed feelings on Lanolin, because on one hand, she's an annoying nothingburger, and on the other hand, she's probably the sexiest Sonic design that's ever come from IDW.

>>149143586
Cancellation just means relaunching with competent writers, so it's really only one answer.
>Be good at what you do.
Comic book lines are like a plant. Let a dumbass take care of it and it'll die.
IDW has been an excellent comic company, but the market's on fire, though that's because all the markets are on fire (in the bad way). The rest of the world is in one way or another, too.
Maybe I should pick up this ish anyway. Evil Cream was fun for the one page she was on.

>>149143186
>Like a page or a few panels at most of how they met or knew each other is fine
Just have her be from the Msytic Ruins. That explains how Amy knows her since she's just a train ride away.

>>149142530
randomly exposing your shit taste in /v/idya is certainly a choice, /co/mrade

>My name is Ian
>I made the Mimic
>It was difficult to put the story together

>>149143683
IDW relaunched Sonic, and it chose the same writers and artists behind Archie.
So, unless the new editors put the foot on the door and demands its new set of people, who can guarantee that Ian, Evan and the rest of the IDW will not jump on the next editor and repeating what we are having not?

>>149142530
They should do like Deltarune did and have the Boring Forced Lesbian Whisper become edgy and evil to make her popular

so when will the DC one be storytimed?

>>149143776
when i feel like it

>>149142341
I suppose the Sonic community on Xitter must be having a celebration based on that single panel.

>>149143793
as far as i've seen people are generally more just as annoyed about this being a shitty sendoff for mimic as this thread is

>>149143793
They sure are.

>>149141353
felt nothing
idk, it was just unsatisfying given the disney death
and I get it's supposed to be friendshit is power and all but it just kinda came across as a gank WOW IT TOOK ALL OF YOU TO KILL ME especially since he got dogwalked the whole fucking time
also using him esploding himself even as she had the bead on him was a cheap way to do it
I think it all just fits into the grand scheme of IDW just coming across as kinda boring and even soulless to me. I can't even really hate it or dislike it, it's just boring and evoke nothing really in me since the zombot arc. I just pop in now and then to check if it's the same, and, yep, it is

>>149143094
this is so bizarre to me too like wtf lol

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>>149141334
There is something about Whisper's "happy look" and Tangle's "bedroom eyes" that really unsettles me.

The art in this book is always so annoying, I can’t describe it. You see it too, right?
It’s like every setting is utterly homogenous. An empty hallway here, a bland cliff there. Even places that should look recognisable like Tails’ workshop looks so sterilised

>>149142604
Yeah that came across as completely forced like they knew they had to do it after the prior moment
Even though handholding was a single minor panel and the followup was this big obnoxious obvious bit

>>149143892
Like Tangle grooming Whisper like a fuckpet?

>>149143700
Amy doesn't live in Station Square, anon, nor do humans. She lives in the Restoration HQ located in the nation of Furville.

>>149143063
>crying lesbian
Not related, but I do wonder how Evan feels whenever she remembers a not small part of the fandom calls her beloved OCs "the crying lesbians".

>>149143793
Surprisingly even the TWITTER IDW fags think this is slop

I like how its vague enough that he could live.

Also I don't like whisper all that much but tangle was a fine character before she got stuck to her hip. It brings her down. Kinda like the Blaze/Silver situation but really worse as Silver and Blaze CAN still show up alone now and then but Whisper and Tangle are pretty much Whispangle the Wolemur

>>149142365

IDW suddenly looks better by comparison.

>>149143892
Adam Bryce Thomas's art always unsettled me

>>149143916
Maybe, I think it is the composition of the panel, there is something off about it.
It doesn't help that Whisper has her mouth wide open, but the one speaking is supposedly Tangle.

>>149142445
bro spends pretty much the entire comic running from the fuckers that effortlessly put him down like a dog
for sure, having the character overpower and dominate in a fight is important when the time is right to do it
but this felt like a no stakes execution

>>149143901
The world looks totally gentrified, somehow

>Heroes chase and corner dangerous shapeshifter
>When they finally corner him and one of them attempts deal the final blow their love interest protest
>Shapeshifter kills themselves in the end

>>149143960
Shut up, Boco.

Imada gaves us plenty of MariAss. More than what IDW has ever done for us.

>>149143982
This showdown needed more than one issue. At least Starline had an entire arc in which he pulled his plan before getting defeated and let himself becoming a sandwich.

>>149144019
At least Envy had an entire comic showing how dangerous and creepy it is before the last battle (something that Mimic didn't pull off).
Also, being a pitiful goblin made his suicide more fitting.

>>149144043

Yeah, and now we're getting Sonic X 2.0. Whoopee damn do.

>>149143214
>>149143238
Yeah, I've shit on Silver a lot and I think he is the worst main sonic character but I've come to feel bad for people that liked him since he's by far the most character-sliding one of the bunch, even worse than shadow.
>>149143325
I've always thought a cool idea for like a silver-centric DLC or something for him would be for him to come back and assist in some big threat and succeed only to find himself fading from existence as it turns out whatever that particular issue was was actually the one that made the future the way it was so he has to come to terms with his mortality or try to save himself or something.
Of course you couldn't really kill him off but it's something different.

>>149144058
>"we're getting Sonic X 2.0"
>implying that's a bad thing considering the current state of IDW Sonic

>>149141305
The problem here is that Whisper was given dialogue in the first panel but the next two are drawn as if her her second bit of dialouge was her first on the page.

Not to mention its written as if she should be looking down at the ravine and not just waking up in Tangle's arms

>>149144079
You seriously prefer Sonic X over IDW? Really?

>>149141334
>that last
Man, they REALLY regret not making the duo lesbians when they had the chance.

>>149144086
Metarex Season, yes.

>>149142341
This was intentional btw

This whole shitty issue was just Evan making up bullshit to make the wormbrain butch lesbos bump beans infront of a gay flag

>>149143901
IDW in general is very sterilized. Aside from the middling OCs and weird characterization here and there, it just comes across like a poor imitation of the game world without really delving into it or having a really strong effort to be unique, so it ends up the worst of both world.
I think IDW would be better if it wasn't supposedly canon or attempting to be since they would presumably have more freedom to be unique. It'd at least be more interesting, waiting a month for these nothing issues is by far the biggest IDW issue, it's a long drawn out process of decompressed stories

>>149144086
What's there to like about IDW?

>>149141786
I'm not debating you just saying you are incredibly autistic. Were you upset in Indiana Jones when he just shot the guy with the sword

>>149144122

No Chris. Or whatever the new Chris is named.

>>149141334
That's it? That's how he goes down that is even more pathetic than Starline least he had the honor of getting bitch slapped by Eggman literally.

>>149143964
he's a great artist but I'm not sure he's a good fit for comic art
his art doesn't lean well to motion I think, or it's so on model it looks stiff
or maybe's it's gotten worse in that regard?

>>149144132
That's it?

>>149144104
This is ultimately the reason I just can't trust these people.

>>149144143

And none of that stupid "Sonic and friends in another dimension" crap. And being in the same universe as the games.

>>149144104
Ffs

>>149144086
What does IDW do better at X than? X’s worst sin was pushing their lame ass rich boy self-insert over the game cast that everyone wants to see. IDW does the same thing except their self-inserts are furry.

>>149144155
This new manga seems to be in the same world of the game instead of the different dimension thing that Sonic X has.

>>149144125
Well, you're a retard. There.

>>149144185
At least the ID OCs can fight and do things. All Chris ever did was cry.

>>149144200
He only slowed down a train with his magical sword.
I'd rather wait more chapters before saying that.

>>149144214
Yeah, wasn't that lovely? Watch him be the main hero with Sonic just along for the ride.

>>149144200
>At least the ID OCs can fight and do things
Are you sure about that? We call them the crying lesbians for a reason. I guess they can win if it’s a 3v1 in this issue.

>>149144223
Wonder if he will be entertaining. At least for the target demographic's standards.

>>149144223
Sonic was doing everything this chapter.
The other sonic characters don’t even appear, the entire thing is just there to wank Sonic like a pretentious idol

>>149144223
>Watch him be the main hero with Sonic just along for the ride
So, if he was a furry and not a shota boy, you would like the manga, because otherwise you more or less just described the current state of IDW

>>149144240
>Tailscel has arrived

>>149144240

So far. Until the kid uses his magic sword to beat all the villains and solve all the problems while Sonic keeps cheering him on and saying "You're so cool, kid!"

>>149141305
>Retards reading this
What happened I can't tell does the skull shape in the water mean anything probably not
How are y'all so bad at reading a children's comic book

>>149141334
>Rainbow sky as whisper and tanble hold hands and go home
I don't get it

>>149144277
See >>149144104
If anything, I wonder if they tried to push the release to match June 23rd, but given a big "NO".

>>149144104
Even the woke shit in this comic is so god damn lame and boring.
Oh wow, they’re holding hands. I’m sure that would have been very scandalous in 1876.

>>149144264
> Y'all
I'd tell you to get out, but /co/'s become a breeding ground for BlueShitters

>>149141045 (OP)
Sonic was never good.

>>149142332
Unless he injected himself with some kind of zombiote strain right before it hit

>>149144313
I'm southern
Y'all are retards. Especially since someone from blue sky wouldn't call someone a retard you fucking retarded nigger

> This comic has become so dull that anons are practically begging for villains to come back from the dead

>>149144300
It is because Sega does not allow them to publicly announce the two are lesbians, thus by the "official canon", they are not:
>LGBT
>A couple
Which is a huge source of frustration for Evan and her toadies. Thus, they try to sneak in any signs they can.

>>149144334

How southern?

>>149144300
>I’m sure that would have been very scandalous in 1876.
/co/ is still shitting itself over korrasami

What do Ian and Evan have against having recurring villains? You'd think one of the first priorities of a monthly ongoing comic would be to flesh out a solid rogues gallery. Villains in this book are lucky to get more than one story arc before they're shelved or redeemed.

>>149144346
Georgia

>>149144334
> I'm southern
Yeah I totally believe you and you're totally not trying to overcompensate like an insecure faggot

>>149144349
I wonder if it has something to do with issue 80 being touted as a "new jumping on point".

>>149144344
Wouldn't be better focus on making them good writtern characters instead of focusing on this Rainbow-washing strategy?

I'd be annoyed if I were from LGBTQ+ crowd, despite the fact there are worse problem than story telling in Sonic.

>>149144349
>What do Ian and Evan have against having recurring villains?
You know those obsessed fans that kept calling for Starline and Mimic to die for their actions?

They listened to them

>>149144334
>I'm southern
nah fuck off tourist nobody i know actually fucking types out yall thats tryhard shit for transplants, blacks, and white liberals trying too hard to sound cultured

>>149141045 (OP)
I'll be honest my eyes kind of glazed over whenever this retarded subplot came up but why can Mimic fly and break out of Silver's TK with ease?

>>149141155
>bait me by priming me up over FIVE FUCKING PAGES to see a really cool agent knife fight between two professional soldiers, like something out of Metal Gear
>hit me with Silver instantly resolving the conflict with op telekinesis
gee, thanks IDW, I almost became invested there. Thank goodness you subverted my expectations.

>>149142221
It still won't bring back Archie.

>>149144364
Evan does not have a plan

>>149144368
>Wouldn't be better focus on making them good writtern characters instead of focusing on this Rainbow-washing strategy?
Absolutely, but that’s not the point of their existence. Once they were chosen to be the queer rep in the comic, every other aspect of their character became irrelevant.

Even their so-called fans love them because they are queer characters first, and whatever else comes second.

>>149144389
Welp, next time speak louder than these people if you want a villain to stick around without the nostalgia factor or being the producer's pets like the Zeti.

>>149144086
Archie and Sonic X are better than IDW, yes. Abso-fucking-lutely. I'd dare to say that there parts of Sonic Underground that are better.

>>149141279
...can you say "crap" in a kid's comic?

>>149144257
>while Sonic keeps cheering him on and saying "You're so cool, kid!"

>>149144435
I'm not autistic enough to do that, anon

>>149144403
So she had to let Ian "clean up" the mess in these eight months?
Couldn't just do it herself considering how simple and short these issues are.

>>149143559
They blew their load way too early with Starline. The comic never picked up a cohesive ongoing plot without him.

>>149144461
They blew their load way too early with the Metal Virus. You don't introduce a world-ending threat in your SECOND ARC

>>149144450

Its been a running gag in this comic, actually.

>>149144455
So we let these autistic people have their ways?
Then again, in order to have some decent media in this franchise, it would require functional people in it.
Something that can't have it between young age and other factors.

>>149144257
Will neve happen. The sonic agenda is to make everyone else look lame so they can cheerlead for sonic. At best he’ll get to share a superform sequence with sonic, more realistically he’ll just fetch sonic his chaos emeralds then be a cheerleader for the rest of it

>>149144475
Yet they failed to build something like the Metal Virus in all of these years.
If they'll ever finish with the emeralds, it would be too late for doing something cool with them.

>>149144449
The irony here is that we are not even claiming X to be good, just to be better than IDW

>>149144475
>You don't introduce a world-ending threat in your SECOND ARC
It was an arc originally intended for Archie.

>>149144494
Exactly, Sonic X was a passable show but nothing good or great. I'll also say that it was better than Sonic Prime as well.

>>149144501
I know it was. Ian's lazy recycling fucked over a clean slate

>>149144501
>It was an arc originally intended for Archie
Which comes to show again that the main issue Evan, Ian and all the other creatives have is that they want IDW to be Archie 2.0 rather than its own thing, only Sega doesn't want that and stops them whenever they get too ahead of themselves, which leads to the overall issues.

>>149144501
And probably would have worked out better because there would have more established characters and locations, so much of Virus we see are in indistinct towns and villages that all look the same

>>149144449
Underground has its own identity, aside from the 4 Knuckles episodes it has literally nothing to do with the games. I can appreciate it for being its own weird thing.
IDW is trying to be like the games but is failing miserably at it. It actually is a lot like Sonic X in that regard.

>>149144524
I recently rewatched X and yes, Season 1 and 2 are nothing out of this world.
Season 3 is surprisingly better story-wise, even making Chris somewhat useful (despite still not being needed).

>>149143196
>>149143213
>>149143419
it really is saying something when fucking Draco from Archie had more wins to his name than *fucking Mimic.*

What happened to comic writing?

>>149143419
I mean I said as much in another post but I'll add that he's the only villain with a cool design being an octopus with a knife, rag clothes plus the beak painted like a skull is edgy but neat and he has an actual hook being a shapeshifting, serial backstabber who enjoys the roles since it lets him manipulate and have attention. His actual effectiveness is the biggest weakness of his character since they didn't even let him personally kill the Diamond Cutters team but that goes for everyone even the game originating characters in IDW as they all act inept or lackluster compared to their other appearances.

>>149144394
He was using the fly type gadget made by Starline from the Bad Guys comic. As for why it can break out of telekinetic hold, idk man. They had to write around Silver's powers somehow.

>>149144570
Rough and Tumble are the most successful and competent villains in the comic, despite the intention to make them Saturday morning henchmen jobbers. It cannot be understated how bad the writers are at their jobs.

>>149144200
> All Chris ever did was cry.
How is this different from the IDW OCs?

>>149144223
>Watch him be the main hero with Sonic just along for the ride.
This is also IDW. These are not gotchas.

>>149143700
Fair enough actually

>>149144349
They simply have no idea how to make villains. This was the same all the way back in Archie. All the villains you recognized from that comic were created by other people.

>>149144623
He actually does have more of a reason to cry than the lesbos too. He’s a literal child. Whisper is supposed to be a grizzled war vet.

>>149144568
IDW is trying to be Sonic X on paper but the writers can't seem to come up with anything clever to push their messaging. It's been like this since that Zombie arc ended. They can't even keep Surge as an antagonist for longer than a dozen issues without her being just another good guy. It's way too predictable and that makes these comics boring, it's the same tired messaging over and over again.

I know sega is restrictive, but isn't going around these restrictions apart of a creative writer's job description? The Satanic Panic had a lot of restrictions in media, but much of it was still entertaining to read and watch. I don't see any real valid excuses.

Stop with the lesbian, anti-male nonsense and focus on some actual creative writing. Ian and Evan have handicapped themselves and it has shown for the last few dozen issues.

>>149143904
Yeah, my biased Sonaze eyes can only see that followup as Sonic barging in and being sarcastic about Silver having any chemistry with Blaze lmao. The fact he directly compares the dynamic to him and Tails is also bullshit since Blaze has nothing to do with Silver but a shit game that rewrites everything to do with her but the superficial.

>>149144319
get an original opinion or scram faggot.

>>149144475
the comic hasn't recovered from the decompressed damage of the metal arc

>>149144645
Eggman’s army in Archie’s reboot was great and all original aside from the battle birds.

>>149144653
>He actually does have more of a reason to cry than the lesbos too
kek, no he didn't!

Just shitposting, because I love the meme

>>149144319
Trvth Nvke
>>149144679
Consoomer Cuck

>>149144699
They were Eggman's minions, not their own villains. Ian and Evan cannot make good independent villains.

>>149144666
>Yeah, my biased Sonaze eyes can only see that followup as Sonic barging in and being sarcastic about Silver having any chemistry with Blaze lmao.
same, especially since it's just kind of a weird thing for sonic to say too
but I am biased as well

>>149144062
Silver is so odd in that he gets so pushed and prominent yet also aggressively sidelined and made to look like a pathetic fup, it's such an odd paradox that makes him unbearable to me on either side of the spectrum. Also that Silver idea does sound nicer then mine since the other time traveller trying to get rid of him would be unambiguously correct so Silver would have to with dignity erase himself but Sega doesn't really kill recurring characters though one shot characters are game.

>>149144725
Silver is a character who was created to be just as popular as Sonic ad Shadow and get his own line of games. That failed of course. He still appears with that premise in mind but his background is so undefined that he doesn't add anything to what he appears in, we don't even see his future.

I don't even care about them being lesbians, I just feel like Whispangle just takes away from both characters when they're so attached to the hip like this. Tangle is the most actually sonic-like character in the comics, so it's annoying when her character immediately reverts to "Whisper's girlfriend" so she can comfort her the whole issue, to the point that she goes from "Whisper, don't blow that guy's head off in a public restaurant!" to "Lol, fuck that guy, good job killing him!" in a single panel. You don't see this happen to Silver and Blaze, they still get to be their own people.

>>149144717
I'm not a shipper, but Blaze is always purrfection in my eyes.

>>149144763

Waifu?

>>149144086
IDW is safe, boring garbage with a demographic aimed specifically at terminally online bluesky/xitter faggot users so yes Sonic X is better in that regard. I'd take any other comic/show over IDW.

>>149144752
The yuri fetish Ian has, really hasn't done his writing any favors. People like him trying to force other people to be into it is peak cringe.

Like why bother writing if people can't keep their creepy shit to themselves? If people want to write yuri fan fictions or w/e weird fetish, do it on an adult fan fiction website.

>>149144780
I love Shade the Echidna, but yeah, Blaze is top shelf waifu material for me.

>>149144710
>Samefagging his own reply
>Consoomer out of nowhere
Nigger

>>149144104
this was a fake screenshot made to both shit on evan and on the account shown here messaging them, who's a decently-sized account amidst idw haters on tumblr
you've fallen for tumblr fandom drama out of a desperate need for gossip and outrage- Evan didn't even write this issue
And now I think about it, this screenshot is a year or more old, so you are absolutely doing this on purpose, you faggot. The comic can't be shitty itself on its own, you retards need to be old hens clucking at it like old women

>>149144808
Because people have convinced themselves that their fetish is activism. Same as trannies.

>>149144820

>Shade the Echidna

Sorry to hear that.

>>149144491
And the "shared Superform" won't be them transforming at the same time, which would imply they're at the same level. It'll be Sonic transforming and then going "You get to join this too" and mercifully granting the child some of his power so he has a single time to shine 1 quarter as bright as Godnic.

>>149143720
The irony of this coming from sonic the hedgehog sloppa
At least in DR you can play as other characters

>>149144844
Ty and God bless the people who made her happen when it did.

>>149144839
I'd be less apprehensive about yuri if the people that were into it didn't try to force everyone else to accept it. Like, leaving 'em alone, fine w/e, but don't try to go on some grand crusade. kek It just makes most people even more repulsed by it.

>>149144835
>this screenshot is a year or more old
Proof or lying

>>149144891
>>131193967 June 2022. You've fallen for a retard stirring shit, as if the comic isn't bad enough by itself and needs shit stirred around it.

>>149141906
This is a Wil E Coyote level “death”

>>149143614
>Create other factions
He's right there and I wish the writers could use him.

>>149141444
>Even when it's done right, just the idea of the villain being the underdog makes it unappealing.
I agree with most of your post, but I personally disagree with this. I like underdog villains. You should want the protagonist to win, but an underdog antagonist scrapping his way up from the bottom to catch up and defeat the protagonist, whether it be via subterfuge, guile, anything. A villain going all out, perhaps catching the protagonist off-guard or even down to their knees, yet still losing despite bringing everything to bear. That can be incredibly satisfying.

They really made it so this guy's main weapon was a gay little knife that he can't ever actually use on anyone since it's a kid's comic and they can't show blood.

>>149144951
Flynn said that the Kukku Empire is difficult to use, as they would be too similiar to Eggman or being over the edge in term of fighting sentient people instead of the usual mindless robots/artificial beings.
Then again, I'm sure anyone can have room in order to flesh this series more, but the fandom is too splitted to be coherent and the higher ups don't care other than selling slop to normies.

>>149144951
Ian would ruin him.
Just like in archie when he made him consider sonic his archenemy and not tails. Or when Ian made the witchcarters more scared of sonic than Tails and Tails unable to beat them on his own.

>>149144998
Ian's power levelling is more bullshit than power levelling itself.
How can he does that?

>>149144968
Maybe for your shitty power fantasy. There is no glory there, no sense of achievement, and it risks making the villain seem more admirable and virtuous than the good guys. There's a reason why the vast majority of stories aren't like that.

>>149144993
How is making new factions difficult to do? lol

Just do some world building and write some interesting intro scenarios. It's rather easy to ease in factions and still keep the games in mind. I'd love to see a desert continent of jackals and some mercs of them causing trouble for the heroes. I loved the jackals in Sonic Forces.

>>149145048
I would do so, but we are talking about Ian Flynn and Sega here, so of course doing something like that it's difficult.
Yes, they have a lore team and yet they fuck that up as well, especially in the IDW comic.

>>149144969
This guy is nothing to Sonic and co. Why should anyone care?
>>149145020
>There is no glory there, no sense of achievement, and it risks making the villain seem more admirable and virtuous than the good guys
That's why you pair Sonic with the relatable underdog character. This is what Tails is supposed to be.

>>149145048
The jackals are extinct. Shadow killed them all.

>>149144104
>introduce new female character that was clearly going to be adventuring with Sonic
>someone with no IP-riddled baggage like Amy
>make her a lesbian, not a problem at first
>she ends up always glued to her partner
Not even Bunnie and Antoine were always glued to the hip, hell, Antoine was gonna get his own comic with Sonic introducing a rival for him specifically.

>>149145073
>There is no glory there, no sense of achievement, and it risks making the villain seem more admirable and virtuous than the good guys
You can recognize the stubborness in dealing with the awful odds against it.
Then again, for a final confrontation it was garbage and needed more oomph.

>>149145073
Sonic and Co means Sonic and the Crying Lesbians now, chud

>>149145108
the four worst characters in the series…oh and also the rogues

>>149145096
>introduce new female character that was clearly going to be adventuring with Sonic

>>149144969
He was a decent enough concept that unfortunately was clearly handed off to a writer (Stanley) who has absolutely zero interest in his kind of tone. I just wish she had the sense to fucking SHELF him in case another writer in the future actually wanted to use him instead of just having her lesbian squad + uwuver jump him outside the local 7/11 for a power of friendship moment. She's a myopic hack of a writer. Archie writers at least just didnt bother with characters they weren't into. They obviously had to know they weren't the only people who would ever write for sonic, and just leave shit for other people.
In a just world, being a known shipfag would be an automatic disqualification from a lead writer role to avoid situations like this. Mimic, and the smoldering remains of Whisper as a legitimate character, were wasted on Stanley.

>>149145108
They do know that Sonic's target demo is boys, right

>>149144993
>>149145048
This franchise is so painfully uncreative, goddamn. Do they really see Eggman and the Kukkus as nothing more than the same brand of "Evil army villains" that can't possibly have different goals, themes, aesthetics, tactics, and character-related messages?
>>149145073
Based and cringe. Sonic can still inspire others while being relatable and an underdog himself.
Sonic's biggest problem (And what caused the downfall of the games after SA1) is that there is no plan on what to do after the underdog Tails gets through his development. Does he just eternally stay undeveloped and dependent on Sonic's advice? Or do they just keep adding new underdogs for Sonic to help? Sega's answer was "Both" and no Sonic story has ever been as good as SA1 because of it. Sonic should develop along with everyone else; that's the natural conclusion of his character.

All this and the Sonic road race game is coming out. Is this the target audience? Is this a good sign or a bad one?

>>149145095
yeah, all five of them. Gimmie a break, man. kek

>>149145070
Ok, it's difficult for hacks and old businessmen with no real vision, I know that. However, if they at least tried to put the smallest effort in there and expanded the pool of possibilities in their IPs, more people would be into the franchise aside from some single moms, trannies and their kids. Sega kinda forgot that men and boys exist now didn't they?

>>149145108
Good thing Archie never had that, right?
>Sally and nicole.jpg

>>149145137
its for boys???

>>149145153
>there is no plan on what to do after the underdog Tails gets through his development.
He'd still be part of Sonic's posse anyway. But his role as relatable sidekick would be taken over by someone else for whatever game.

>>149145197
Look, I don't mind it when Tangle comforts people, whatever.

But literally every fucking time she appears at this point, she's either comforting Whisper as she UUUUs, or she's comforting someone else. At this point, she's not even Tangle anymore. She's just the Gay Counselor.

>>149145218
Yeah, so keep adding a bunch of shitty friends until you have a bloated cast. Or keep adding and then abandoning them as the game go by so you can never be attached to any of them.
Either choice sounds horrible. Just have Sonic learn from his friends as much as they learn from him.

>>149145137
Nothing is just for boys anymore.
>>149145197
Thing is I dont even think moments like this are inherently bad, its just this seems to be all evan stanley wants to fucking write.

>>149145133
>I just wish she had the sense to fucking SHELF him in case another writer in the future actually wanted to use him instead of just having her lesbian squad + uwuver jump him outside the local 7/11 for a power of friendship moment
You understand that Ian wrote both Issue 51 and this recent issue, right?

Boys love sitting in nondescript parks in a circle with their diverse butch lesbian friends and taking turns talking about their feelings

>>149145133
Stanley wrote one story with him, where he was an idiot but otherwise nothing any different from what Ian did with two miniseries and now writing him out. Ian was the one who wasted him the most. Not that it matters, you'll lie and shit about things to solve a personal grudge.

>>149144752
This, make them gay, whatever, just let them do shit on their own. Tangle got like one issue without Whisper, and ever since then it's just the two of them, Tangle always being that shoulder to cry on.
>>149145129
Like out of the comic that introduced her, Tangle and Sonic have done jackshit with each other. The last time they were together was when the Zeti were attacking HQ, and that was mostly all hands on deck for that one.

>>149145245
>>149145197
https://youtu.be/IBGX85oliAg?t=52

>>149145245
Which is why if there are any guys reading this, they're pirating it to laugh at it and make porn of the characters.

Which I approve of.

>>149145237
Ian wrote that page, how retarded are you
Are you just never reading credits and assuming any page you don't like with characters doing soap opera is Evan, or are you intentionally lying to start shit, I can never tell with you schizos

>>149141155
>why aren't you letting me kill you?
Anons are siding with this flounder?
It's Gay Canyon, why wouldn't Silver be here?

>>149145235
>Just have Sonic learn from his friends as much as they learn from him.
No.

>>149145245
Somebody just fucking kill Silver, bro. Take him out of his misery. Like holy shit, there's not a single more disrespected character in this entire franchise other than Tails.

>>149145237
>Nothing is just for boys anymore
Didn't work well for Star Wars. They think it's for girls now.

>>149145281
Enjoy your slop, then.

>>149144890
>Shadefag spotted
Based and Echidnapilled

>>149141178
>Just want to point out
Yeah it was a bit tiring.

>>149145299
Learn to have fun.

>>149145237
>Nothing is just for boys anymore.

..and people wonder why the Western Entertainment Market is in the shitter.

>>149145137
Terminally online xittertrannies, shippers and fags are IDW's demo at least.

>>149145313
>Rolls in the mud and eats slop
>"L-Learn to have fu-grahlghrah"

>>149145333
Trips of Truth

>>149145153
>is that there is no plan on what to do after the underdog Tails gets through his development
Yeah, Tails character arc was finished over 20 years ago, but they refused to actually follwo after it, since him being Sonic's kid sidekick is too central and grandfathered to his character to ever meaningfully change for good, so they keep him in this weird inbetween space where in lieu of actually developing his character, they just say some shit about how he's growing up every now and then despite being perpetually 8, and introduce a New Tails for Sonic, then another one, then another one, each one with less development than the last.

>>149145305
Echidnaoverdosed especially in my case.

...and don't give me any narcan for it.

>>149145329

>>149145351
They cant just have him be the Robin to his Batman indefinitely? Tails didn't have this problem in AoStH.

>>149145153
>that can't possibly have different goals, themes, aesthetics, tactics, and character-related messages?
They had something with the BB's in pre-Archie were they were trying to find their ancestral home (and the ship that took them to Mobius went boom when Sonic destroyed the Key). Post Reboot, the BBs were Eggman lackies with maybe hints to something more. Personally, I'd bring back the search for Babylonians, maybe even tie them into the Ancients, but that would require referencing Frontiers, which IDW is barred from doing.

>>149145359
The worst part of being a Shadefan is that we know SoJ took a liking to her and the Nocturnus Clan, and had Penders not screwed us up, she might have become a recurring character.

Sonic exists in the manga for 1 issue and stops a hijacked train with bare hands like Superman

Silver goes on a 2-arc long world tour with Blaze and the most that amounts is “wowwee zowwee, these heckin apples are a tasty treat!” But at least he’s not crying that someone overwatered his flowers this week.

The Sonic manga looks like fucking slop but still, IDW is a failure as an action comic.

>>149145351
Hell, I don't even think his arc was finished. I mean, he had JUST started walking in the same footsteps as Sonic. There's way more you can still do with him.
But it's never gonna matter if Sonic always has to be the superior one, never to be outmatched.

>>149145382
Sega now don’t want other characters doing shit, not even in cutscenes, or else it takes away from Sonic’s spotlight.
Tails in cutscenes must be weak and pathetic so the great and amazing sonikku can look cool doing everything and kids won’t think he’s cringe anymore.

>>149145390
I'm going to be daring and say she might have even surpassed Blaze in popularity if given enough time and I love me some Blaze.

Shade is just really gorgeous.

>>149145372
Penders did something right, but it's a shame his own art and attitude don't reflect that something well on his own.

>>149145265
>>149145129
Tangle and Sonic unironically have a better dynamic than Whisper and Tangle, I miss them.

>>149145457
>Penders did something right
That's debatable.

>>149145390
Knuckles could've finally scored.

>>149145465
We never really had a fangirl character before Tangle
I mean an actual fangirl, not like Amy or Tails who are cheerleaders

>>149144717
Hell, I'd gladly kill for some story arcs that flesh out the Sol dimension at this point. Also yeah the page feels literally like the writers directly taking control of Sonics body and words, though there's more contentious characterisation from IDW'S version of Sonic for people to harp against suppose.

>>149145467
He pushed that echidna clan shit really hard and in the long run it either produced directly or indirectly some nice world building concepts and echidna waifus.

I'd say his influence on that had a plus side.

>>149145465

>>149145467
Don’t be a corporate bootlicker. Creators deserve ownership of their creations. Penders did nothing wrong.

>>149144998
Tails hasn't been able to do anything of note for his fans since Sonic Heroes lmao

>>149145282
It’s ironic, Evan randomly made Silver an honorary lesbian because Silver is her favourite character so she wanted to include him in the crying lesbian club

>>149144717
I hate both Sonaze and Silvaze equally, so I am unbiased and can say that shit was very forced shipshit.
There's nothing intrinsically wrong with what he's saying about two of his friends being a good fit, but it doesn't come naturally and the implicit knowledge of Silvaze being a famous ship they're obviously pandering to is what makes it clearly forced.

>>149145465
It's because she was literally made around Sonic's character, they were called kindred spirits and she was made because Ian thought the other female characters besides Blaze were too difficult to write around or something.

>>149145465
I'm not a shipping fag, but yeah, Tangle and Sonic have better chemistry than her and Whisper. Whisper... I really feel that her and Tangle are forced.

The personalities are just too misaligned imo. The trope "opposites attract" is almost always forced.

>>149145535
>Sonaze
It can work.

>>149145519
Exactly. Don’t ruin the one bit of coolness he still has left. Leave it in the past, unmolested.

>>149145514
I would agree if he wasn't trying to steal Shade/Nocturnus shit after the fact. How pathetic is it to try and gyp the supposed plagiarized work? It's like admitting it's better than your own creation (it was lol)

>>149141334
Why is the last panel so uncanny?
>Tangle's rape face
>Whisper's blank happy face
>Silver blankly smiling at them like he's part of the team
>The off-color pride flag

>>149145572
Literally looking at the reader in the face and going “see? Gay.”

>>149145558
Tails Adventure works best after SA1, with SA2 as the conclusion to his arc.

>>149145570
Penders is so up his own ass that he considers Shade and the Noctunus rip-offs rather than homages to his work... despite the fact the man himself was known to have plagiarized almost everything of notice he did for Sonic.

>>149145511
If this was JUST played for laughs, I wouldn't mind it being a thing
>>149145536
Again, a female character with NO ties to the games to be Sonic's battle/adventure buddy? Fucking works and IDW squandered it. Again, not even asking them to be a potential couple, just a new gal for Sonic to be buddies with.

>>149145579
Tails Adventure works best before SA1, because all us Tails fans are sick to death of him only existing to wank off the shitty hedgehogs.
It’s literally far cooler than him doing that dumb chickenmech shooter with eggman. And it’s hilarious to think Tails was far cooler of a person before he got relegated to kissing Sonic’s ass.

>>149145570
Hey, Gumball worked in their bootleg counterparts into their show.

>>149145514
In a normal situation, yes.
But in Penders (and others)... yeah, no...

>>149145339
Wow, you really can find everything in AI art.

>>149145623
>I don’t like this person’s writing so they don’t deserve rights

>anons wishing that mimic had replaced whisper
I know she sucks but we don't need to make the story dumb.

>>149141279
I don't get what happened.
>gun charged up
>gun no longer charged but mimic is stabbing a glowing thing
>kaboom
I know Tangle says later but... what?
>>149144450
>serrated knife wielder who's known for killing people is on the page
>"Wait did someone say crap in a children's story?"

>>149141353
>Rate it, I guess
One of IDW's patented 100mph issues where if you skipped it you'd be wondering why nothing happens in this series.
Okay/10 because something actually happened.

>>149144086
yes

>>149145570
this. Penders went way too far.

>>149145570
>It's like admitting it's better than your own creation
He unapologetically uses the Scourge design and name (something he had no involvement with) whenever he wants to showcase Evil Sonic. If that’s not evidence enough of how petty and jealous he is, I don’t know what is.

Most /co/ characters arent so pretentious they need other lower characters to constantly condescend to and “inspire” in order to make themselves look cool and wise and deep. They just do random heroics and other characters assist and they don’t need 100 page speeches about how Batman bin Suparman is a le inspiration to humanity and they are worthless without them.

Just do Sonic and sometimes Tails/Knuckles/Amy punching robots. You can repeat this indefinitely

>>149145616
>Tails Adventure works best before SA1
Doesn't work with his arc in SA1. Bro couldn't believe he managed to defeat Eggman.
>us Tails fans are sick to death of him only existing to wank off the shitty hedgehogs.
You got issues, bro.

>>149145690
I hate the inspiration shit, but what you're suggesting is even more bland than that so no thanks. I just want SA1, but Sonic develops along with the characters.

>>149145414
How is Tails ever gonna feasibly outmatch Sonic considering what we've seen Sonic do compares to what Tails can't do?

>>149142171
>Do this for every single fucking original villain you have
It hurts.
>>149142284
Even with a body no-one stays dead in comics.
But Starline's dead, because IDW will lose the licence by the time they release enough comics they start bringing back old characters.

>>149145637
>this person signed a contract acknowledging that they don't own the rights, so they don’t own the rights.
To be more accurate. The fact that Archie was stupid enough to mess up the lawsuit is a completely separate matter.

>>149144396
Are they actually allowed to have a knife fight in a modern Sonic story? I dont read the comic so idk

(Sonic)


Triplets born, the throne awaits
A seer warns of a deadly fate
Give up your children, separate
Bide your time, lie in wait


Sonic Underground (Sonic)
Sonic Underground (Sonic)
They made a vow, their mother will be found


The children grow, learn what's right
Leaders of the freedom fight
They seek their mother, she knows they do
Is it time? If she only knew
Will the prophecy come true?


Sonic Underground (Sonic)
Sonic Underground


I long for my children, but I have to wait
To act too soon could seal their fate

They made a vow, their mother will be found
Sonic Underground!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H71elxohy1Q

>>149145535
See, even this guy gets it and he's utterly untainted by the bias of pair the cat with a hedgehog syndrome.

>>149145719
Make Tails boost too? It’s a videogame. There’s no in-story reason Sega suddenly made Sonic the best and everyone else worthless.

>>149145720
This image always struck me as immensely stupid because it's written like it's some sort of gotcha and not like this wasn't the whole point of the character

>>149145690
>Just do Sonic and sometimes Tails/Knuckles/Amy punching robots. You can repeat this indefinitely
You're right and Sonic has done just that. The issue is that guys like Ian don't like pulp adventure, and prefer dark and gritty melodrama. Not to mention how everything needs to be explained because Ian can't just accept that certain thing just are and most people don't care that much about the details. They want to enjoy the story.

>>149145756
Tails and the others can boost in Dream Team.

>>149144993
They want to rule the air and subjugate any who oppose.
They use mechs and other machines to fight because their hand to hand is shit.

Wow so hard. Hell we had this in archie just fine. If this is his excuse, then Ian is probably just sick of writing and rather go for easy pay checks.

>>149145245
>She waits for the psychic to arrive and speak to announce that she is going to resign.
>If he didn't say anything, these grown women would stay in a park, whining in silence.
absolute cringe

>>149145711
>I just want SA1, but Sonic develops along with the characters
Why does he need to develop? Sonic's a flat character by design. His appeal is that he's Sonic. Super fast hedgehog dude that loves adventure. The moment he becomes heavily flawed and goes through arcs, he's no longer Sonic. Just admit you don't like Sonic.

>>149145767
Well there you go.
Hell if im not mistaken the boost mechanic started in Advance and everyone could do it, even Cream.

Sega just need to get past their dumb hedgehog idolatry and everyone could take part in adventures again.

>>149145793
Suggest some way to avoid the same trapfalls of post-SA1 and SA2 state earlier in the topics then.

>>149145778
To add more insult to injury, he didn't want to use Wendy more because she was more of a one-off magical thing.
Despite the fact this series has a lousy definition of magic that could become a form of science of mysticism.

So yeah, I think Ian plays it lazyly than safely.

>>149145719
Uhh, the same way every single fucking apprentice in an apprentice-mentor relationship in every story ever does it?
Do you want me to explain some ideas in detail? My best bet would be Tails defeating an enemy that defeats Sonic because Sonic doesn't have some sort of character-related virtue that Tails has. Like, the enemy uses previous data to predict Sonic's moves, but he can't do that to Tails because he has been collecting upgrades the whole game, which is a reflection of his need for self-improvement that Sonic doesn't have. That's something.
Eventually, Tails would need to have more of a character than "I wanna be like Sonic" so we can have more possibilities for stories.
>>149145793
Because >>149145153

>this franchise will literally rip everything off BUT having mainstay villains
>much less good ones
Frustrating. So ITT people have made posts about this. Sure current comic writers have some part in it to a degree, but this really goes down to sonic team for main canon. Sure they've made some but many are die/one time, or just aint it.

>>149145807
The boost was more like in Pizza Tower, in which you receive a speed increase if you kept the momentum up.

>>149145699
PTSD is hell of a thing.

>>149145793
I don’t like Sonic.

>>149145818
>Suggest some way to avoid the same trapfalls of post-SA1 and SA2 state earlier in the topics then
SA2 is Shadow's story. The game's about him. It's like DMC where Dante's still Dante and it's Nero that changes.

>>149145390
wowowow, Shade could be a token reappearing character like Silver or Marine! That'd be so totally heckin' epic, it's a shame we didn't get that!

>>149145836
Then why do you read a Sonic comic?

>>149145836
Then it's personal preference. Therefore, he doesn't need to change just because YOU personally don't like him. Simple as.

>>149145822
Robotnik can always be front and center if need be, but throw in some fodder inbetween and some fodder that'll return as more of a threat. Also, toss in some badass husbandos that could kick everyone's ass once in a while, man, come on.

The Green Ranger was a temporary and unforgettable badass for that kind of shit for anyone here who can remember.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYPM_1cagIM

I mean yeah, he was eventually redeemed but you don't need to redeem them either.

>>149145857
Anthro Tats, and the Far Superior Sidecast

>>149145820
Sounds like pretentious nerd crap. Y'all are overthinking this shit. Just try to have fun.

>>149145885
Impossible, other characters aren’t allowed to have fun or that would steal from Sonic’s spotlight.

>>149145852
>Shade could be a token reappearing character like Silver or Marine!
I can't guarantee it with 100% confidence, but the chances were good enough.
She was the centerpiece in all the Japanese promotional material for Chronicles, and the Nocturnus even managed to get a dream stage in Winter Games.
So, it seems that SoJ (or at least Iizuka) liked her enough.

That said, the same thing happened to Sticks, but ultimately she never made it into the main games and is now barely surviving as Sonic Channel content... For all we know, Shade could have ended up the same, though in the end, she fared even worse.

>>149145907
I mourn for what could have been in a slightly better timeline.

>>149141091
This is so retarded it’s unintentionally funny

>>149145907
The POINT is, that Sega of Japan doesn't do jack fucking shit of anything interesting with the characters it has in the new games and materials they decide to create. She'd just be another useless character that long outstayed their purpose, and who the fuck actually wants that?

Sonic was never good

Reading idw sonic must be what ego death feels like

>>149145935
>Sega of Japan doesn't do jack fucking shit of anything interesting with the characters it has in the new games and materials they decide to create
What are you expecting? Sonic games are like popcorn flicks. The aim is solid video game-y fun. They're pulp adventures, not prestige dramas.

>>149141334
Oh i get it, they’re gay

Sonic Twitter is having a meltdown. People are saying they are done with the franchise because of this issue.

Almost every IDW Sonic glazer is slamming this issue

>>149146006
And there goes Ian and Evan's legacy.

>>149146006
What for? It’s very basic. Hell at least they had kindof a fight this time

>>149145985
I think deep down even "trad" pre-LGB gays are sick of the excessive pandering at this point. It's just too much.

>>149145974
I expect characters to serve a purpose in a story and not just needlessly bloat or be trotted out as memberberries. That's not prestige dramas. That's just basic decent storytelling, that even pulp adventures can follow.

>>149146033
Paul did nothing wrong.

Straight from this slop to selling out for Spongebob, lmao

>>149146019
>When offered a choice (Choice Y) between a small immediate reward (2-sec exposure to grain) and a large reward (4-sec exposure to grain) delayed by 4 sec, pigeons invariably preferred the small, immediate reward. However, when offered a choice (Choice X) between a delay of T seconds followed by Choice Y and a delay of T seconds followed by restriction to the large delayed reward only, the pigeon's choice depended on T. When T was small, the pigeons chose the alternative leading to Choice Y (and then chose the small, immediate reward). When T was large, the pigeons chose the alternative leading to the large delayed reward only. The reversal of preference as T increases is predicted by several recent models for choice between various amounts and delays of reward. The preference for the large delayed alternative with long durations of T parallels everyday instances of advance commitment to a given course of action. Such commitment may be seen as a prototype for self-control.

Imagine what happens if the pigeon waits a while only for a very small reward.

>>149145868
It's ALL personal preference. There is no objective argument as to why Sonic needs to get his dick sucked by everybody.

>>149146071
Must be different than me then. I never cared for Mimic and Whisper’s “arc” at all. Not one tiny bit.

>>149146071
What the hell does any of this mean

>>149146074
Because he’s the main character? The games aren’t called Tails the Fox.

Oh, I'm sorry! I thought this was a serialized comic! I thought we were building towards something!

So you're telling me, after all that, after years of Whisper being a PTSD-ridden mess who drops everything the second she senses Mimic, the whole thing ends because the guy basically trips and falls on his own knife? What the hell was the point?

And what about Whisper? What's her future goal now? Her whole character, her whole *raison d'être*, was avenging the Diamond Cutters. That's it. Flynn, Mr. "Everything Is Connected," failed to give her a single goddamn motivator outside of Mimic. She lacks a personality outside of this. She's not an adventurer. What's she gonna do now? Another person doing their community service of fighting Eggman?

They can't get rid of her, she's too popular. So what, she's just gonna be stapled to Tangle forever and be her sad, quiet girlfriend? We're just gonna get more issues of Tangle having to be her therapist instead of going on fun adventures? It's garbage. They wrote themselves into a corner because they were so obsessed with this one revenge plotline and now there's nothing left. Just tell me what I'm supposed to do now. Am I supposed to be happy? Mad? What is this?

>>149146107
It is a study on operant conditioning. It is the origin of the Skinner Box principle.

>>149146033
>I expect characters to serve a purpose in a story
Okay, Sonic and friends fight the bad guys and look cool as fuck doing it. There, purpose fulfilled.

>>149146019
Mimic went out like a bitch. Just like everything IDW has tried he ended up being a big fat disappointment.

>>149146006
I checked the, (and may Allah forgive me for mentioning it’s cursed name) Sonic reddit and it’s still full of moronic dipshits claiming its peak and celebrating the lesbians. As much as I would love for IDW fans to suddenly develop taste it ain’t happening.

>>149146112
Most main characters don’t need everyone kissing their ass to look cool.

Only really shitty characters do.

>>149146172
Fucking zealots, the lot of them. Nothing but toxic positivity to cult-like levels.

uuuu Tangle waaah i did the thing we literally already did in our intro miniseries years ago come lick up my tears again before Mimic comes back for a 3rd time

>>149146112
NTA, but it's really is lame. his franchise or not, when 99% of dicussion among other characters is just about him, then it's just not cute.

>>149146184
Sonic reminds you too much of your bullies?

>>149146189
That’s all sonic fans now. Especially in the movies.

what is this comic anymore?

>>149145757
I guess?
I just found it funny because it's just summarising him and I love him

>>149146216
More like the kids I bullied. Inshallah I bullied them enough them won’t have to self-insert as a cartoon mary sue hedgehog to get an erection

>>149146216
He’s an anon who legit went insane when an original character from Archie wanted to date Sonic instead of Tails the 8 year old. He now spends every Sonic thread on /co/ crying about how Sonic is a gary stu.

>>149146224
Lmao of course. That third movie was pure swill, I demanded my money back as soon as I left the theater but it’s the sonic fandom to blame for trying to hypebeast everything into relevance

>>149146224
Not all of us, but too many all the same.

>>149141318

>>149146019
>What for? It’s very basic.
That's the problem.
This is supposed to be a gigantic pay-off to build up they have been creating for years.

>>149141334
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_Uo0VJihCU

>>149146282
kek

>>149146240
Yeah you're malding. Just step away from the PC and chill out for a bit. Take a shower. Shave.

>>149146291
Only people with zero sense of pattern recognition wouldn't have caught on by now that this comic simply can't pull that off.

>>149141444
True, but Ian sucks ass at character development, which leads to shit like this. "Power of Friendship" becomes a pointless buzzword because the people behind this comic treats writing like a Cargo Cult.

>>149146282
flea ridden mutt.

IDW IF IT WAS ACTUALLY GOOD

If Mimic really is dead that that was completely anti-climactic. If Mimic isn't actually dead this story is completely pointless. Either way this issue sucks eggs.

>>149146328
I think that's why a lot of people assumed they simply would never try to bring closure to this story. That's how they handle the unsolvable Eggman dilemmas they brought attention to in this comic.
Keep Mimic at large indefinitely so you can keep Whisper a weepy mess, since the writers seem to love her that way.

>>149146378
>If Mimic really is dead that that was completely anti-climactic

You say that as if it wasn't the same case for Starline and Surge.

>>149146380
Keeping Sonic episodic works best for the cast.

>>149146327
I’m not sorry I bullied you anon, it’s time to grow up. You’re too old to self-insert as a spoiled mary sue hedgehog.

>>149145757
It's a dumb point.

>>149146353
I want the sheep to sexually bully me.

>>149146353
On-brand for Sonic.

>>149141318
Whisper does not drink enough fluid to be sobbing every issue.

>>149142365
another dozen months of arguing over things sonic'd say

(honestly it feels like a majority of the folks yelling the loudest want this warped, almost manic-pixie-dream-girl-ish rendition of him that was cherry-picked from a few cutscenes + a misunderstanding of this vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fg8TkMtf9es&pp=ygUNc291bCBvZiBzb25pYw%3D%3D)

>>149144086
>You seriously prefer Sonic X over IDW?

>>149146396
Rent-free

>>149141155
How the hell can Mimic still hear her from that far away? What, is she communicating via telekinesis now?

>>149141334
Surely at some point Evan MUST have realised her “badass guardian angel of the battlefield” breaks down sobbing incompetently at every happenstance and gets nothing done except crying about her feelings?

>>149146400
If you asked that to her point blank, she'd respect it and comply

>>149141318
Oh, so she can finally speak normal now? Thank GOD, now we can move on from that gimm-

>>149141334
Oh FUCK OFF.

>>149146408
So AoStH is the most faithful Sonic?

>>149146400

>>149146449
It's unironically more faithful than SatAM, Underground and early Archie.

>>149146016
To think people considered Ian the "savior" of Sonic storytelling once upon a time because of Archie.

>>149146453
I knew I'd get her gushing over me one of these days. Spray me harder, mommy.

>>149146429
Pretty certain 90% of times Whisper has been shown crying it was Ian writing

So now what?
Where do they go with her character outside of "Tangle's girlfriend" now that Mimic's gone?

>>149144389
The only reason those tone deaf readers even thought the death penalty was on the table was because this stupid comic turned
>Wow, Eggman is a very resilient, persistent villain who always finds a way to survive!
into
>Wow, Sonic consciously spares Eggman's life no matter what he does!

>>149146469
He was good when he was in his element, but his element has no longer existed for over a decade now.

I am a sentimental uuuu
Who always longed to be a lesbian
That's why I do my best to uuuu
And spend every single day of mine, upset
And tear-in’
So Tangle I won’t be dry-eyed or shy
'Cause I think every wolf should spend all day to cryyyy
And helping you with your descent
Allows me to feel homosexual
For I aaaaaaaaaam
a sentimental uuuu
I never asked for tits
Or liked girls in advance
I was merely fan service
For tumblrised romance
I never saw myself
In the HIV communities
I knew who I was
One of your straight cishet
Mediocrities
Then suddenly I'm queer
Shipped, and, worshipped upon
Just because the fat gay mob
Needed someone to project on
Does it surprise you
I got cooked, and all too soon?
What can I say? I got carried away
And not just by gay poon
Uuuunderful
They called me “Uuuunderful"
So I cried “Uuuunderful, if you insist"
I will be “Uuuunderful"
And they said “Uuuunderful"
Believe me, it's hard to resist
'Cause it feels uuuunderful
They think I'm uuuunderful
Hey, look who's uuuunderful
This plus-sized dyyyyyyke
Who said, "I will be queen
Of all that cries and screams
About her trauma and gayness and psych!”

>>149146475
Nothing. Tangle and Whisper will be seen just to be seen holding hands and nothing else.

>>149146465
>and early Archie.
REALLY early Archie was essentially AOSTH with SATAM guest characters.

>>149146473
She cries when either of them are writing. It's basically a major trait of her character that is kept consistent, unfortunately.

>>149146476
They couldn't just let him be a goofy fuck. He just had to be Uber Hitler.

>yeah bro, let me take minority of sonic fans on a site that doesn't in itself represent the millions of other sonic fans who dont even use it to PROVE that Ian is done so by everyone because i said so and my extreme bias
:/

>>149146499
>REALLY early Archie was essentially AOSTH with SATAM guest characters.
And it was pretty decent.

>>149146475
She went from Tangle's sad girlfriend to Tangle's happy girlfriend. See? CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT. Now we'll go to Tangle and Whisper just looking happy while the rest of the cast something else because their story is done since the main conflict for them is dead.

>>149146518
I agree.

>>149141353
In a vacuum, barely serviceable. In the context of the comic as a whole, fucking godawful. What was even the point of Tangle promising Whisper she wouldn't kill when she was totally fine with him dying anyway? Not once was the moral conflict set up beforehand even brought up, making pic related totally pointless.

Sonic comics were never good

>>149146532
lol what was the point of this

>>149146532
>What was even the point of Tangle promising Whisper she wouldn't kill when she was totally fine with him dying anyway?

What was the point of Tangle going off to find Whisper if they were both just going to be back at the Restoration next time we see both of them as if they never left?

>>149146536
TRVTH NVKE

>>149146514
The meltdowns are on Twitter.

>>149146500
I know it's unfortunate, and I hate it, but I genuinely don't think it's Evan's fault here- I think Evan had Whisper cry like, once or twice, whereas I think Ian's genuinely had her cry in every story he's used her in after her intro story

>>149146542
to show how sewwious they are about hunting down Mimic to the local cafe for misgendering Silver in front of Lanolin

>>149146514
>>yeah bro, let me take minority of sonic fans
People who read IDW Sonic comics?

>>149146548
I looked, couldn't find any meltdowns, just people screaming WE WON while posting pictures of Tangle and Whisper holding hands in front of a rainbow.

>>149146545
Lol, I remember that. I guess the writers thought they were gonna get another miniseries starring those two before being told no.

>>149146561
>just people screaming WE WON while posting pictures of Tangle and Whisper holding hands in front of a rainbow.
That's not winning when they officially can't ever be gay.

Okay can the writers stop pretending it's 2018 yet

>>149141091
Why does she sit like a fatass

>>149146577
No. It's still a Forces sequel comic. And from the looks of things, it's gonna stay like that until the plug is finally pulled which might happen in a year.

Seriously, what a waste of time this comic has turned out to be.

>>149146476
We already have seen what doing that with Joker and Batman did for DC, how did Ian not see the problem coming from a mile away?

>>149146506
Yeah they really fucked up by tying this comic so closely to Forces, because you can't reconcile their usual "I hate that hedgehog!" "What up, Egghead!" dynamic with the context of Eggman being the most brutal, most successful dictator on the planet, especially not with adding Sonic specifically sparing him to the mix due to how Eggman's the only fucking villain in IDW who can get shit done.

>>149146572
They showed the draft inkings so they got that far into making it.
According to Ian they decided to self-cancel it because it had Tangle being “toxic and manipulative” to Whisper and that’s a nono, so instead they made the next main series arc all about them again

>>149146584
Frontiers, Dream Team, ShadGens and they used none of it.

>>149146588
>they
It's Ian, blame Ian specifically, he saw the setup was similar to Archie and fucking latched to that. Even the Restoration still existing was clearly his idea, Evan's story was written entirely to conclude with the Restoration gone but he'd written TailsTube to have the Restoration still exist and it was him who wrote the like 10 issues after it where the story's making sure to reinforce "wow the Restoration's great".

>>149146545
I don't remember which writer said this, but that was supposed to tie into a planned second miniseries following the two, but it was canned because it would've involved Whisper manipulating Tangle a lot and they didn't like their "friendship" being so toxic.
But you know, given they're trying to push the gay ship, that's pretty par for the course.

>>149146599
>because it had Tangle being “toxic and manipulative” to Whisper
KEK! Are you serious?

>>149146599
>it had Tangle being “toxic and manipulative” to Whisper and that’s a nono
God forbid dykes have flaws and make mistakes.

>>149146603
You wouldn't even think Shadow had a huge marketing resurgence if you kept your nose buried in these comics.

>>149146617
No synergy with the movie either for Shadow. Why are they like this?

>>149146610
Why couldn't they have just,... you know, rewritten it? Cancelling it entirely was so stupid because they already made the setup.

>>149146611
Yes 100%. Never said exactly what he meant by that i’m guessing she told the crybaby wolf to stop crying

>>149146629
They have the time.

>>149146599
>it had Tangle being “toxic and manipulative” to Whisper and that’s a nono
So in other words, it was too realistic?

>>149146604
>"wow the Restoration's great".
Yeah they help people majorly and for free. don't tell you're the type to hate that, you facist!

>>149146629
Idw doesn’t publish concurrently. If they make a miniseries they have to put the main series on hold. Guess they just delayed too long to rewrite it

>>149146628
They did have a Shadow special planned that's being delayed forever. It's clearly on Sega's end with that one

>>149146603
holy shit

>>149146628
They don't like writing Shadow because of too many restrictions, but even other writers under these conditions with other media were able to give Shadow something. The IDW staff just outright refuse to write Shadow because of it and that's why he barely appears in the comic. These people are uncreative hacks, man.

>>149146599
>They showed the draft inkings so they got that far into making it.

That's a common misconception. Those drafts of Tangle getting her tail caught in the windmill weren't made for the story proper, they were just drawn for fun after it got cancelled.

>>149146599
I thought Evan was the one who revealed that.

>>149146630
>Tangle telling Whisper to stop being a fragile crybaby at every sign of adversity? CANCEL THE BOOK!
Lmao.

>>149146672
Yes it was. I've come to realize over the past couple years that these threads are evolving from everything being done by Ian to specifically everything bad being done by Evan even when it was Ian doing it and otherwise just getting things mixed up

>>149146657
>These people are uncreative hacks, man.
Don't forget petty. Ian only wants to write him his way so he mostly keeps him out of the book.

Mimic would unironically be a better villain in Archie because they at least had real governmental bodies, hell, more PEOPLE, that a master infiltrator could properly interact with both for and against. Here in IDW, Mimic's only real purpose was making Whisper cry.

>>149146681
I understand why these freaks don't get Sonic.

>>149146682
That just means Ian and Evan deliver similar flavors of garbage and people can easily mix them up. That's grim.

>>149146628
Shadow is the most difficult Sonic character to write for and SEGA is bigger stickler for how to write him, so Ian just runs into a brick wall whenever he tries to write him like he did in Archie.
In general, Shadow is often a difficult spot for most of the fans turned pro writers due to him being a massive headcanon magnet due to how his story played out.

>>149146688
Would've made more sense with these guys.

Make your samefagging less obvious, man.

>>149146705
>Shadow is the most difficult Sonic character to write for

That's a real shame since he's the one with the most story potential.

>>149146705
>Shadow is often a difficult spot for most of the fans turned pro writers due to him being a massive headcanon magnet due to how his story played out.
Just play the games.

>>149146688
Mimic or at least the concept for him was originally a Reboot Archie character iirc.

>>149146657
>>149146705
But they DID write Shadow into the IDW comics. As a incompetent loser who eats crow.
Out of all the restrictions Sega supposedly has on the character, you'd think
>Don't make the cool guy look lame
would be one of them.

>>149146730
Ian was gonna have him bust off the Inhibitor Rings and then get raped by the zombies.

>>149146715
>That's a real shame since he's the one with the most story potential.

Yeah he sure does like
*looks at book*
>sad over maria
>mad at sonic

>>149146730
Ian originally wanted Shadow to job to the Metal Virus after taking off his rings before being told no. So he could've been LAMER.

>>149146730
I suspect it's less about mandates are more the things Ian and Evan want to do with him.

>>149146604
I still fucking hate the restoration, hell I didn't even really like the Freedom Fighters. Sonic is NOT the kind of series where the main protagonists are working for or with some kinda shield-ass organization and hanging out in its superhero HQ.
Do you guys think the restoration base will ever return, or was the panel of them planning to rebuild it entirely just to soothe Ian's autism about letting his OCs house get destroyed?

>>149146713
meds

>>149146741
Meanwhile Whisper's story potential is... *checks notes*... being Tangle's crying girlfriend.

>>149146753
>it's less about mandates are more the things Ian and Evan want to do with him.
Bingo

>>149146599
You'd think the solution to that was to rewrite it to simply NOT make her toxic, rather than throwing out the bany with the bathwater. The endless incompetence of the people running this comic never ceases to baffle me.

>>149146767
t. samefag

>>149146475
IDW's going to drop Sonic in a year. This issue was so rushed because of closing up loose ends.

>>149146786
>IDW's going to drop Sonic in a year.

I want to believe that, but I just can't.

>>149146764
With so many characters it's inevitable this will happen. There's always gonna be teams and some base

>>149146730
SEGA understands, sometimes a side-character's gotta job for the story.
Through even they had a problem with Shadow jobbing with his inhibitors removed (through they see those as a hype pop-off moment for Shadow, rather than something for him to job in).

>>149146681

You can't have your uwu lesbians have any nuance to their relationship. It can only be wholesome togetherness and winking at the audience. How would the writers get the fandom to call chuds what they are if the didn't?

>>149146835
Personally I like the idea of Shadow's invulnerability being downplayed, it's just going full-Vegeta AFTER he should have gotten over such behavior is a really bad look for him.

>>149145720
>Starline
If it wasn't for the toothpaste swoop over hair, he'd be perfect. And look at his shoes. It makes me want to learn 3d printing so that I can print a shell over a pair of shoes and make them look like that. Including the spurs.

>>149146688
I feel like we've been having a lot of "better suited for any established Archie-verse" as though we're still this deep and running stories retooled for IDW rather than strictly for IDW.

>>149146712
The Secret Freedom Fighters was such a cool idea.

>>149146920
>The Secret Freedom Fighters was such a cool idea.

Why?

>>149146764
So long as Ian's casting a shadow over the comic, I think we're likely to see the HQ restored, yeah, sadly

>>149146927
It was a fun way to put some b-list characters into something workable around a main character instead of just having them fade away.

>>149146114
Oh yeah, I didn't even think of that. And at most the only thing we're gonna get of her now is more small background colorings of her and Tangle being gay. They will never get to do a Steven Universe wedding, so it's not like their relationship can advance like Bunnie and Antoine.

>>149146224
This reminds me of how some Sonicfags are reacting to issue 4 of the DC crossover.

>>149146353
Based

>>149145820
That ain't happening considering Tails bitched out at an illusion of Chaos, a bunch of Dark Gaia monsters and so on. I'd love for Tails to get to do something cool but that ship sailed wayyyyy past.

>>149142717
That's what bugs me about this. This fight was meant to be shown as this huge character moment for Whisper... but what exactly is she doing differently here? She's fighting with the same cast she's had since her debut, with the same weapons and isn't even holding back from killing him. You don't even get those ultra cheesy emotional flashbacks to show how much these people mean to her.

So what was even the point here, if not just to remove Mimic from the picture?

>>149146724
>MV was supposed to be for Reboot, made sense there
>Mimic was supposed to be for Reboot, would work better there
Any other ideas by Ian and the others that might be sloppy seconds for IDW?

>>149147016
I should commission Jamo again sometime.

>>149142962
If she was supposedly living on Angel Island this whole time, how would that even work without egregious retcons? The characters have been there almost as much as Green Hill, and you're telling me they wouldn't notice this lunatic badger until very later on? It's stupid.

>>149143028
It's extra stupid when Ian also went out of his way to include a random reference to Sticks in Frontiers' dialogue, and he didn't bother explaining shit there. So why the fuck is this an issue now? If anything his attempts at tying her into the "lore" makes WAY less sense.

>>149143683
>IDW has been an excellent comic company
Is this a joke? IDW is consistently terrible when it comes to licensed books, even outside of Sonic. TMNT is one of the worst comics I've ever had the displeasure of trudging through, it makes Sonic look like fucking Shakesphere.

>>149147302
Literally what would have changed if this issue was what happened immediately after we first saw Mimic? Nothing changed between then and now in how she would have handled Mimic, everything went down way too flawlessly and casually that it feels like nothing between then actually mattered. From her debut, her solution would have been "Alright, get Tangle and Silver to help me murder him on the spot" and here that plan is in action, with nothing new added or taken away from it. What was the point of Tangle previously telling her, numerous times, not to coldly execute him on the spot, only for her to immediately try that and for mimic to kill himself anyway to dodge any moral questions or upsetting Tangle?
It was also stupid to give Mimic a knife considering they can't even actually show him landing a hit on anyone with it, so he just looks like a little bitch.

>>149147447
>TMNT is one of the worst comics I've ever had the displeasure of trudging through
I believe if it wasn't for Sega and its "mandates", Sonic would be at the same level

>>149147519
It's very weird that all of IDW's books are god awful, in spite of the fact they don't share any writing teams.

Transformers was awful after going full tumblr in 2014, and the rebooted comic was just as bad. TMNT is pure garbage, and even Godzilla has hamfisted-in LGBTs taking all the focus.

>>149147447
IDW has some great Godzilla stuff

>>149144396
Why the fuck WAS Silver part of the fight in the first place? He doesn't know Mimic, this shit ain't personal to him, and there's zero tension or stakes knowing damn well he could probably force choke the guy if he really wanted to, or hit him with a truck and end the fight right there.
Like, compare the stats of every fighter on the scene
>Guy with a knife and shapeshifting powers he's an idiot at using
>Girl with a gun that fires aliens instead of bullets
>Girl with a tail
>Guy who's telekinetic powers put him on par with Sonic, who debuted in the games by kicking his ass in a 1v1, can freely toss around objects and people whenever he feels like it, and was even part of the super hedgehog trio that took on Solaris, one of the strongest final bosses in the whole damn franchise.
I think he's a little overqualified for this.

>>149142962
If you have a source for Ian throwing a fit because he couldn't have things exactly the way he wanted I would love to have it- not because I don't believe you (I absolutely do, he did this same shit with Shadow during the Metal Virus) I just want to do my due diligence before laughing at his clown ass.

>>149144115
>>149143901
I think part of the issue here is how IDW refuses to have these characters interact with the environment, which is antithetical to Sonic as a whole. The Zones in Sonic are like characters in themselves, bursting with gimmicks and set pieces to discover. Take Mirage Saloon from Mania. That shit has pinball totems, Samurai Pizza cat shotgun launchers, seltzer roads, spinning chairs, etc.

Meanwhile IDW has stuff like Rainbow Ravine, which IS cool on a base, conceptual level. But they just don't DO anything with it beyond being a basic backdrop for this issue's fight. Imagine if the mountains had stones imbedded in them that would shoot out solid rainbows that characters can run on if said stones were cracked. Or, I dunno, have like giant floating crystals that could teleport people to other crystal locations.

Like, these settings should have gimmicks the characters can exploit in these action scenes. It would go a long way in keeping the setting from feeling sterile and lifeless.

>>149147605
>Why the fuck WAS Silver part of the fight in the first place?
Because Silver owes Mimic payback over the shit that happened in Misadventures, and Ian wanted another excuse to have Silver paired up with Whisper again.

>>149146581
She IS a fatass.

>>149147605
Because without him it'd be an entirely-OC deal.

>>149145153
>Sonic should develop along with everyone else; that's the natural conclusion of his character.
I heavily disagree, Sonic by design is a static character. He's not really meant to develop much because there isn't much TO develop. Part of his appeal is that he's been fully realized since inception.

>>149145629
Kill yourself.

>>149141142
>You can't use your weapon that has a focused beam attack and a melee attack because...you just can't
Fuck these hack writers. Saying something can't be done wont erase my memory of all the times she used her whispon in close quarters you fucking HACKS! They really think their readers have the memory of goldfish don't they?