Did a fucking psychopath write this show? Because god damn this really is a supervillain origin story

wdym

>>149196872 (OP)
Riri is too retarded to be a supervillain. Best she can hope for is hired goon. MAYBE henchwoman.

>>149197426
Hired goon?

>>149197402
Did you even bother reading the synopsis?

>>149196872 (OP)
>Because god damn this really is a supervillain origin story
That's always how Riri's character has come across, sounds like it's a fitting adaptation.

>>149197402
>Willingly chooses not to graduate MIT because she finds diplomas and job opportunities post graduation "beneath her", and instead decides the better option is to continuously scam the place for grant money and hog the workshop so she can attempt to build a knockoff Iron Man suit
>Gets extra cash by selling completed tests/essays/finished projects to other students looking for a free pass, so it undermines the entire legitimacy of the school and breeds a whole graduated class of unqualified frauds accepting jobs they can't do
>Motivated, by her own words, by money and fame. The only reason why she wants to build a suit is because "It's the only piece of tech people seem to care about"
>Her "step two" career plan is to make Iron Suits available for first responders.....only she's never once thought about the dangerous implications and new arms race making this tech readily available on the open market. You know, the entire plots of Iron Man 1 and 2 where Tony Stark took special measures to avoid thus why its privatized in the first place
>Finally gets kicked out of MIT for her bullshit, proceeds to steal what tools she can from the shop before escorted off the grounds, and steals/flies off with the prototype suit she built that technically she doesn't even own because it was built with grant money
>Crashes the suit, trashes it, and causes city damages taxpayers now have to pay for
>Hooks up with a criminal gang that promises that they'll pay for her suit development if she steals from billionaires with them. Because apparently all successful corporations are bad?
>These heists result in damages, hurt jobs, physically injure working class security guards, and is an accessory to murder
>Legitimately murders a member of her crew
>Her boss works for the literal Marvel devil
>>149197574
It's so much worse here

I won't watch the show, why is she even stealing stuff? She had a schoolarship and became best friends with Wakanda royalty in the movie

>>149197599
Wait, that's not even like, a vigilante story, that's actually just a crime spree.

>>149197599
Why'd they make the live action suit worse and less action figurey

>>149197599
I was not going to watch this at all but now I feel more compelled to pirate this because holy shit WHAT

>>149197605
Wakanda took back the suit they let her make with their resources/Vibranium because they still don't trust outsiders with the mineral. Yeah they started Wakandan outreach programs after the Black Panther movie, but apparently they reeled back on that ever since Tchalla died and Atlantis (Namor) proved they're not as secure as they once thought. So Riri now has to start all over
>She had a schoolarship
If you build something that requires a lot of school investment, they have a legal claim to the IP. Riri was stealing from their shop and abusing grant money anyway. She's stealing with this gang because she has no other means of building her dream suit. The Han Solo actor (forget his name) is a black market dealer/buyer she finds, and we find out he's Zeke Stane (son of Obidiah from Iron Man 1).

>>149197632
its literally about a black thief
theres no way to spin it in any circumstance that shes is a hero.

oh......OHHHHHHH
yeah I don't think that was a good idea

>>149197599
>Willingly chooses not to graduate MIT because she finds diplomas and job opportunities post graduation "beneath her", and instead decides the better option is to continuously scam the place for grant money and hog the workshop so she can attempt to build a knockoff Iron Man suit
>Motivated, by her own words, by money and fame. The only reason why she wants to build a suit is because "It's the only piece of tech people seem to care about"
she's right about everything here.
selling homework is the only thing she's at fault for.
>Her "step two" career plan is to make Iron Suits available for first responders.....only she's never once thought about the dangerous implications and new arms race making this tech readily available on the open market. You know, the entire plots of Iron Man 1 and 2 where Tony Stark took special measures to avoid thus why its privatized in the first place
Tony trusted his armor to Rhodey and Peter, both people he trusted, you're just assuming she's wrong for wanting to trust first responders.
>Finally gets kicked out of MIT for her bullshit, proceeds to steal what tools she can from the shop before escorted off the grounds, and steals/flies off with the prototype suit she built that technically she doesn't even own because it was built with grant money
they can keep the pieces
>Crashes the suit, trashes it, and causes city damages taxpayers now have to pay for
oh no property damage anyway
>Hooks up with a criminal gang that promises that they'll pay for her suit development if she steals from billionaires with them. Because apparently all successful corporations are bad?
pic related
>These heists result in damages, hurt jobs, physically injure working class security guards, and is an accessory to murder
>Legitimately murders a member of her crew
>Her boss works for the literal Marvel devil
no MCU hero is 100% clean so moot point.

>>149197794
Translation: someone on the marketing team had some goddamn self-awareness and realized how shitty Riri is as a person, and thought the only way she could spin this is comparing the protagonist TO A FUCKING METH COOK AND A LITERAL MOB BOSS. See this wouldn't be a problem......had the intent been selling her as a shitty person like Walter/Tony, not a superhero show. Because yes protagonist does not equal good person, merely main character. Although again, doesn't really track with Disney Marvel, woof.

>>149197814
Are you ironically trying to defend this shit heap in like a "haha see what I'm doing" kind of shitpost, or are you legitimately a fucking shill?

>>149197838
hes worse than that. hes neither, just a room temp iq redditor

>>149197814
WE WUZ DR DOOM AN SHIIIIIIEEEYTTT

>>149197599
>myopic morality
>scornful of education
>entitled to the fruits of other people’s work
>rampant theft and criminal behavior
So... she’s a nigger?

>>149197838
>"shill" rebuttal
I win

>>149197857
Oh I can address every laughable attempt at an argument here, I just wanted to clarify before wasting my time. But if you're just going to post stuff like "I win" then I'm assuming this is just shitposting.

>>149197857
what did you actually win?

>>149197868
The insufferable faggot contest.

>>149197599
i don't even know what to say

>>149197898
thats just a title, i wouldnt even say its worth trying to win .

>>149197814
It's been like 12 years since I last read this, what was the context

So ignoring the fact that Riri can just......create an Artificial Intelligence with a laptop and cut corners by scanning her brain (I know comic Hank Pym did this with Ultron but it doesn't work here), the show does absolutely NOTHING with the ethical and philosophical implications of NATALIE being based off the memories of her deceased friend. Why is it just literally her friend, and not some caricature based upon biases and fragmented memories based past life experiences from the real thing? The AI doesn't have any of the real thoughts or experiences of the real Natalie, so it makes no sense at all. There's also nothing artificial about her, she's just a sassy black teen that doesn't always listen to Riri. Why would you even program her like that? Wouldn't a writer realize there's conflict and tension with a character speaking with a computer that looks like a former friend, struggling to interact with this fake ghost while the AI feels rejected/a fraud but ultimately both grow together over time?

Someone tell me how California writers room hire, because for fuck sake this is basic shit

>>149197814
>Tony trusted his armor to Rhodey and Peter

Rhodey stole the armor ( there's an argument Tony let him but still) Peter didn't get an Iron Man suit he got Spider-Man suits which non of look as remotely powerful as any of Iron Mans and his most powerful one was literally during a world threatening emergency.

>>149197995
It should be noted the flaw in anons logic is equating Rhodey and Peter to public market access. Private trusted individuals with software safeguards are not the same as first responders. Because assuming local taxpayers can afford these things, you just know the local government/miliary, and foreign governments, are going to retrofit these suits with weapons and cause numerous problems.

I'm starting to think Riri is either a short sighted idiot, or fucking Syndrome from Incredibles

>>149196872 (OP)
they couldn't call the show "Reparations" so it got stuck with "Ironheart"
>which means Bendis couldn't call her "Reparations" either

>>149197995
and? SI didn''t repossess the Iron Spider or WM after Tony died, how is that not a display of trust?

>>149198069
See >>149198034, retard. And yes if you're committing to this bit acting like an idiot, I'll treat you like one

>>149197814
>she's right about everything here.
>selling homework is the only thing she's at fault for.
How is she right and how does that justify her scamming the institution funding her education and opportunities?

>Tony trusted his armor to Rhodey and Peter, both people he trusted, you're just assuming she's wrong for wanting to trust first responders.
Rhodey and Peter can be trusted to not sell their Stark-tech to arms dealers, criminals, and terrorists. Not every first responder is going to have the moral fortitude to turn down a fat stack of cash in exchange for their easily weaponized super-suit.

>they can keep the pieces
That they funded and she plagiarized.

>oh no property damage anyway
Do you not understand how civic services work? Who’s paying for getting that damage repaired? It’s not billionaires, it’s the average person.

>no MCU hero is 100% clean so moot point.
No other MCU hero willingly engaged in criminal activities after being offered legitimate means of wealth and success. Riri threw away a guaranteed diploma, PhD, and honors from a high-end institution because she wanted her super-suit RIGHT NOW. She then stole very expensive, dangerous technology, trashed it, and took up a life of crime to fund her research and development.

I know people weren't fond of Riri, Jane Thor, etc but holy fucking shit I'm surprised the MCU dropped the ball on "fixing" the ANAD additions.
I heard Sam's fine as Cap but he was the least offensive even back in 616 anyways

>>149197985
>Why is it just literally her friend, and not some caricature based upon biases and fragmented memories based past life experiences from the real thing?

She doe have fragmented meories, She (NATALIE) even says so but then dismisses it as 'everyone forgets things from time to time.'

>>149197985
>Why would you even program her like that? Wouldn't a writer realize there's conflict and tension with a character speaking with a computer that looks like a former friend, struggling to interact with this fake ghost while the AI feels rejected/a fraud but ultimately both grow together over time?
The programming/brainscan thing is incredibly thin and makes it look like Riri really didn't do anything besides attach electrodes to her head then take a nap. As to the conflict, Yea, the writers are trash but that is there, I think they just stuffed it all into one episode because i think this whole thing is just six episodes long so it happened then where the "ghost of her dead bestfriend freaked her out but then they go on an adventure together and she gets over it. It's shit, don't get me wrong but some kind of effort to address it was made.

>>149198102
As shit as comic Jane Thor was, and Love & Thunder, at least L&T Jane didn't try to have her cake and eat it too when we're talking about magic undoing chemotherapy. MCU Jane Thor knew she was a goner, and just wanted to extend the time she had doing good.

While we're on the topic of comic Jane Thor, Valkyrie Jane was a million times better as a concept and they should have led with that. Go read Ewing's Jane Foster Valkyrie if you haven't

>>149198089
>No other MCU hero willingly engaged in criminal activities after being offered legitimate means of wealth and success. Riri threw away a guaranteed diploma, PhD, and honors from a high-end

Stark and Banner broke all sorts of ethical rules when they created Ultron. And that mistake cost hundreds of thousands of lives

Ant-Man's whole thing is committing heists

Wanda brainwashed an entire town
Strange mindwiped the entire planet

Rogers and everyone else on his side of Civil War violated the Sokovian accords and caused millions in property damage (and some folks like Widow and T'challa and Vision aided and abetted them after the fact)

So yeah everyone is willingly engaging in criminal activities even though they have the opportunity to go legit

>>149198222
Not that anon but you understand what motivation and intent are, right? No one has disillusions about morally questionable actions Avengers have taken in the past, but the difference is every single one of them was working towards a goal that was morally good. Mistakes were made, but they learned from them and were still trying to achieve things that would benefit others.

You're just being a disingenuous idiot trying to equate Riri to them, when her motivations and intent makes her actions look worse. She is literally telling you that all she cares about is fame and fortune. That's not a hero, that's a fucking jackass, one who makes other peoples lives worse when not getting her way

>>149198034
>It should be noted the flaw in anons logic is equating Rhodey and Peter to public market access.
Good point, but still even then even if they were "equatable" Tony still didn't just give them Iron Man suits so he'd still be wrong. Even by his own logic.

>I'm starting to think Riri is either a short sighted idiot, or fucking Syndrome from Incredibles

I'm trying to look at the whole thing as she's a genius cocky teen/Young Adult. So she knows a shit load about engineering but nothing about how the world works. Like if she was normal she'd be protesting for student loan forgiveness and defunding the police. The problem for me is, to get her in these situations, to get her to this state where she's trying to make these decisions. The writers change or ignore everything up until now. Like Wakanda wouldn't have given her materials and money after she helped them fight a fucking war, like she couldn't have sold off any of her other previous inventions to actual companies for 10x the price instead of other students. I'm not smart and even I thought her trying to fly the suit all the way back to Chicago and not land it some where and check it for shut off switches or tracking devices was fucking dumb. But hey even though the school shut the suit down so clearly has some kind of connection to it no one has shown up to bring charges against her so, maybe not. But then the whole fucking criminal organization doing high stakes robberies and extortion's with one day of planning. For every robbery they call Riri in the day of and it's a we're doing this multi layered defense perfect timing break in TONIGHT you need to upgrade you incredibly hightech suit to these new specifications in the next 5-6 hours, see you then. The writers are just bad.

So the last half of the show is gonna have her be called out for all of this in time for her being redeemed in her own leading debut right?
RIGHT!?

>>149198285
>I'm trying to look at the whole thing as she's a genius cocky teen/Young Adult. So she knows a shit load about engineering but nothing about how the world works.
This doesn't really fly anymore because kids are not as dumb as fiction tries to spin them ass. If you're smart enough to build an Iron Man suit, you're smart enough to think a few steps ahead regarding what the implications are giving it to the market.
>Like if she was normal she'd be protesting for student loan forgiveness and defunding the police
Why would see protest the former? She was constantly getting free money. Also retards are the only ones behind defunding the police

>>149198317
THe last half of the show is going to be Zeke getting arrested going crazy because of the betrayal from Riri and trying to get revenge. Hell do something that endangers a lot of peoples lives Riri will stop him (even though in every way imaginable Riri "started" him) and be seen as the hero.

>>149198317
>>149198354
Actually no. Someone who saw the show in advance saw the remaining 3 episodes.
>Zeke Stane gets powers and fights Riri, but ultimately lets her go because they became friends....at some point?
>Riri's final battle suit uses fucking magic. She just stopped at a mystic shop and befriended a witch chick who's the same age as her. She studies the spellbooks and somehow integrates runes/glyphs into the suit to defeat Hood
>At some point NATALIE is destroyed
>Series ends with Riri at a restaurant, getting a visit from Mephisto. Cohen is reportedly legitimately good as the Marvel villain, too good for this show. Mephisto offers Riri a contract, stating he'll bring NATALIE (the fucking AI and not her dead friend) back in exchange for her services/soul
>She fucking agrees and the screen cuts to black
>Show is over

>>149198317
Plenty of people have seen the next half and every single one of them said no, she does not get called out, she doubles down and the show never once addresses it. Not a single reviewer even from people who dicksucked She-Hulk said it was anything other than an asshole who never has her "Become a hero" moment.

they already called her out for working for the Hood. if you're looking for a public execution then you're watching the wrong show.

>>149198330
>Why would see protest the former?
She's not protesting the former, she's protesting for the former. Like she want's free money

>>149198375
>Mephisto offers Riri a contract, stating he'll bring NATALIE (the fucking AI and not her dead friend) back in exchange for her services/soul
>the fucking AI and not her dead friend
>She fucking agrees and the screen cuts to black

WHAT!?, sure, fuckit why not. Of course.

>>149197599
>Pic
I like her design here.

>>149198433
Yeah but the thing is anon there's nothing really redeemable about MCU Riri. She doesn't really learn anything, and we can't even say she has the hero's journey where she changes or seeks to do good. I don't believe there's a single moment where she shows a desire to save lives, but instead taking down Hood comes across more like payback rather than stopping a bad guy. Plus the whole thing is moot anyway considering the leaked ending.

Walter White and Riri are not comparable. Breaking Bad does not paint Walter as a good person at all.

>>149198504
she saved her team in the last episode.

>>149198601
You mean the team of criminals she only saved because she needs money?

>>149197599
Yeah that sounds about right.

>>149197426
I'd agree except for the fact that the universe itswlf seems to bend itself into pretzels to justify her criminal rampages. She should at least be viewed as the same threat as the Phoenix Force.

We're glossing over something so severely stupid in the show that hasn't been called out enough
>"My suit is solar and wind powered"
WHAT FUCKING MORON WROTE THIS SHOW. Putting aside the basics of how much equipment you need to power anything with wind or solar energy, they just completely trivialized the goddamn arc reactor. You know, the fucking thing that made iron suits possible in this universe in the first place?

>>149197793
I dont know my man, looks like >>149197814 is trying his damnest to. I mean, he'a failing but bless his little, corpo-shilling heart, he's trying.

>>149197794
And yet, somehow, they're still going to make her the good guy who will NEVER have to pay for her crimes.

>>149198102
The ANAD are the only heros in the MCU who actually get to be adapted as close as possible to their comic counter parts.

>>149198667
*laughs in white bird*

>>149198817
Kamala's powers?

>>149198638
>implying her armor and AI don't invalidate any contributions from her teammates
Riri saved them because it's duh right thing to do

>>149198667
The 2nd version of the arc reactor already used clean energy too. Changing it to literally the worst and most useless forms of energy was just a virtue signal to the dumbass audience who thinks the Green New Deal should be law.

Havent watched the show or read any Riri comic but I can already tell that the point is that a black woman getting money and status is a virtue unto itself because of how much the world shits on them. Which is correct.

>>149198831
No see that's fine. Whiplash built an arc reactor, and was able to do so because his father helped Tony's father build the original large prototype. He had the blueprints to it too.

He didn't try to sub it with fucking solar/wind energy, because that's stupid, inefficient, and above all people know how those work.

>>149198873
Anon that's not heroism

>>149198375
Between this and having Billy Kaplan kill three people it seems like they’re making as many Young Avengers (or whatever Riri is) as possible into guiltier people.

Though that is probably better than if they had tried to portray them as the new, improved, nicer replacements for the older characters. If Riri were a regular hero people would be understandably pissed at her being the “better” Iron Man.

>>149198667
Its literally just done to shill for real renewable resources. It doesnt matter that the arc reactor is actually clean and renewable, BlackRock won't give us checks if we dont shill.

>>149198840
A retarded desicion but her personailty is almost unchanged for the comic. An annoying, "quirky" muslim girl.

>>149198375
>Series ends with Riri at a restaurant, getting a visit from Mephisto. Cohen is reportedly legitimately good as the Marvel villain, too good for this show. Mephisto offers Riri a contract, stating he'll bring NATALIE (the fucking AI and not her dead friend) back in exchange for her services/soul
>She fucking agrees and the screen cuts to black
>Show is over
There's no fucking way she'd revive the AI SLAVE of her dead friend rather than her actual friend
Actually, on second thought, it makes perfect sense

>>149197995
>( there's an argument Tony let him but still)
I'd make that argument. By that point the suits could operate autonomously. He could have them set up to work only for himself and a few select others(Rhodey, Pepper, Happy), anyone else they'll just dead weight. We don't see anyone outside Tony's inner circle try to take one

>>149198375
>nigger steals, kills people and fucking makes a deal with the devil
>we're supposed to side with them anyways since it's clown world and george floyd is fucking jesus or whatever
I hope to god hollywood writers are thankful for their jobs, imagine being paid to write this shit LMAO

>>149198955
Riri has to charge her suit in time for the heists, Whiplash trivialized arc reactor technology from the second movie.
just like you pointed out, only Whiplash had access to the plot device.

>>149199018
>Riri doesn't want to bargain with her friend's soul
>tricks Mephisto into bringing back a computer program
interesting if true. Mephisto is doing more for digital preservation than fucking game publishers.

>>149197929
Thor is famous as an environmentalist and protestor who hangs out with unwashed hippies. The Ultimates are fighting him because Loki changed reality so that they think Thor is just a mental patient who stole super soldier technology from the EU.

>>149196872 (OP)
I’m not exactly surprised. Agatha All Along and WandaVision made it very clear to me these writers REALLY want to write supervillain stories, but are hamstrung by Disney branding reasons/their own biases from actually committing to their characters being awful human beings.

>>149197814
>no MCU hero is 100% clean
Do not disrespect my FUARKING hero Ant-Man you filthy plebian
>she’s right about everything here
Also she has the exact same motivation as the fucking corporations the gang arbitrarily deems sufficiently evil to risk the lives of their employees in order to hijack lmao, she’s literally just saying she wants to be the villain instead of defeat them

>>149198375
>Mephisto offers Riri a contract, stating he'll bring NATALIE (the fucking AI and not her dead friend) back
>She fucking agrees and the screen cuts to black
I really want to skip ahead in my MCU watch through to see this because it sounds just awful

>>149198188
>Go read Ewing's Jane Foster Valkyrie if you haven't
I wouldn’t even if you pointed a gun at my head and prime Jessica Alba at my dick. Whor made me hate Jane as a person so much that I despise the idea of her being empowered at all.

>>149198285
>I’m trying
But…why? Especially when the MCU has other instances of less…fundamentally awful teenagers like Iron Boy and, dare I say it, Kamala and Cassie Lang who at least has the self-awareness to realise she was wrong for bitching at her dad midway through the Quantum Realm fiasco. If anything I judge Riri much more harshly for having more intelligence than all of them combined and still having the WIS of a retarded ghetto negress.

>>149198317
Lmao no, I didn’t know about >>149198375 but I guessed as much.

>>149198873
Objectively no, it wasn’t.

>>149197599
> make Iron Suits available for first responders
You know it’s kind of funny that Tony would rather trust an AI program like Ultron to put an Iron Suit on every corner over giving human first responders a suit.

>>149199241
You’re a legit idiot. Whiplash doesn’t trivialize arc reactor because he had blueprints to the fucking thing and only got those because his dad worked on the project. Riri trivializes it because apparently inferior methods of energy are fine and plugging it into a goddam wall is somehow the same


Shill harder faggot

>>149199408
Because Ultron was meant to be an incorruptible machine with specific safeguards to keep humanity safe. No one with sense would trust people with that tech

>>149199408
Tony, like Riri, has an immense sense of hubris to go along with his aspirations for social responsibility. The difference is the Iron Man movies at least tried to call this out as a flaw even if Avengers 2 (“Bruce I know we fucked up unleashing Ultron but TRUST ME bro, if we just science harder we’ll fix it”) and IM3 (“Pepper I’m taking off the suit for good. Honest. Pinky promise”) show he’s prone to backsliding, at least to the extent that by Endgame he just wanted to live a quiet life until they showed him time travel.

Riri’s character arc is like if in response to creating Ultron, Tony decided that YES this was ABSOLUTELY the right thing to do here and he did NOTHING wrong.

>>149199418
>Riri trivializes it because apparently inferior methods of energy are fine and plugging it into a goddam wall is somehow the same
Speaking of how she triviallises it, can we point out how stupid and contrived it is for the show to ONLY NOW suddenly introduce Obadiah’s loser son who conveniently manufactures and owns all the missing components Riri needs to keep maintaining her suit? Not just in the “the villain has this kid that has never been brought up so we can keep introducing his gimmick to the story” sense, but also because the loser’s entire character is that he doesn’t want to be like his dad…so he sells shit on the black market instead of just making Ironmonger-tier monster trucks or something.

This show really wants to gaslight you into thinking the engineering skills that go into making Iron Man suits can only be used to make Iron Man suits and nothing else, because otherwise Riri’s excuse for committing crimes would fall apart.

>>149197426
Honestly not a bad concept. Genius tech/gadgeteer villain whose crimes are kinda stupid and half-baked because outside of a very specific fields of interest she's kind of a dumbass.

>>149197521

Is Zeke an idiot? How can you be blackmailed by another criminal you can easily expose too? It’s mutually assured destruction

>>149197599
How do you make a show like this and pretend your protagonist is a hero

>>149199544
He's an idiot because a character can only ever be as intelligent as the person writing them.

>>149199294
Shut up Ross
Where's the next Freeman's Mind video

>>149199418
Both of you are missing the fact that the background themes of IM1 and 2 hinge on the fact that while Tony was ahead of the curve, arc reactor tech wasn't something he can keep contained forever. Stane already knew how it worked because he helped build the original, he just didn't have know-how to miniaturize it. Vanko's entire deal was that despite Tony spending the opening act saying it'd take 20 years for the world to catch up to him it only took 6 months. Later entries began treating Starktech like voodoo but the initial entries made it clear that sooner or later arc reactor tech would be trivial and there was no way to stop it.

>>149199485
In all fairness, that's less retarded than his introduction in comics.

>>149199544
The problem with mutually assured destruction is you get destroyed too.

>>149197599
if this wasn't a hero show it would be pretty based

>>149198222
>Stark and Banner broke all sorts of ethical rules when they created Ultron. And that mistake cost hundreds of thousands of lives
First of all
>ethical rules
What? What ethical "rules" did they "break"? You sound retarded and/or ESL. You can argue that they acted unethically (very debatable) or that they did not exercise good judgement (more reasonable) but there were no rules about anything they were doing, because there was no precedent you midwit moron.

Secondly,
>And that mistake cost hundreds of thousands of lives
??? Where are you getting this number from? The official death toll for the Sokovia incident is 177

>>149199878
Hundreds of thousands is a huge stretch yeah. Even if you count the entire events of the movie, I doubt Ultron got even into the triple digits of body counts personally. Same with the Hulk, which is fucking three degrees of separation from Stark making an AI

>>149198667
>Putting aside the basics of how much equipment you need to power anything with wind or solar energy
The much bigger issue is that this is implying that Riri managed to invent a literal miracle battery to be able to store the kind of energy needed to power a fucking IRON MAN SUIT in a size compact enough to fit within the suit itself and with the ability to charge fast enough to be useful at that kind of energy density.

That single invention would immediately solve clean energy for the entire world if made publicly available.

So do you think Mephisto will be relevant later? Because he's the only thing I see of value here

>>149200110
I doubt it. This has been in the works so long that the MCU released a bunch of failures while it was waiting to get released and announced it was cutting back on future releases.

That doesn’t mean all the teases are for projects that were in development but will never get made, but some of them are.

>>149197599
>hear about the journos writing off the hate for the show as racist
>browse thread
>most racist story imaginable
It's honestly insane they don't see this stuff because it's labelled "progressive"

>>149200258
American liberals are some of the most racist fuckers in history, and they are the only ones who can't see it.

>>149200181
I just ask because the only viable portion of the MCU that has traction right now is the magic stuff and there's been talks of doing a new Ghost Rider

>>149197599
Is it really that hard to make nice female leads?

>>149200433
If you make a female lead who is anything other than an unlikable cunt who spends 90% of all screen time complaining about whatever group she thinks is responsible for all the bad things in the world (usually the very specific organization known as "men", "white men", "rich white men", or "whoever I am talking to in this particular scene who does not 100% agree with everything I say") then you will be accosted on twitter by a bunch of insane retards who don't spend money on things.

So here's a question
>NATALIE freezes up when a security guard points a gun at Riri and becomes unresponsive
>The real Natalie died from a drive by shooting
Except......how can an AI have PTSD from a shooting they've never experienced? This isn't mapped off Natalie's brain, it's Riri's brain and how she envisioned her friend. Also really fucking useful having an AI that is more A than i is I

>>149197985
>Someone tell me how California writers room hire
Nepotism/networking

>>149200592
I don't remember shit about this show I pirated and skipped around a bunch, but did she see her get shot? If Reee saw her it probably would be more her freezing up than the AI being poorly written.

>one of the first things she's shown doing is building a personal fucking shield for someone
>never once considered selling DEFENSIVE TECH, NOT WEAPONS, to the military and be set for fucking life
>instead, proceeds to steal literally every single fucking thing she can in any fucking scene she is in, and cries about how poor she is and how she can't ever get anything she needs
>builds a sentient AI that can fit on a standard laptop
>her first thoughts on it are, "how do I delete you?" rather than "Oh fuck I can make a lot of money off of this"
Seriously, what in the fuck were these people thinking? How are we supposed to root for someone has to steal at least one fucking item per scene she's in? How are we supposed to cheer on one of the supposed smartest people in the MCU if all she does is make room temperature IQ decisions and choices whenever she's on screen? Not once has the bitch had a solid thought or idea. It's always how to fuck people over, rob someone, steal something, or be a fucking menace to society while blaming everyone but herself. What the fuck. I know this is the M-SHE-U now, but what the actual fuck were they thinking here?

>>149200652
I can't remember but I think Riri was in the garage while her stepdad and Natalie were outside getting shot. But regardless its a fucking AI with no real experiences so it can't get PTSD from something it doesn't even remember. But even if it did, shouldn't it be forced to follow Riri's commands? Didn't Stark's suits have manual overrides too?

>>149198102
Nah Sam sucks
>I don’t want the shield or to lead the avengers
>WTF WHY DID YOU GIVE THE SHIELD TO SOMEBODY ELSE
>WTF WHY IS THERE A NEW AVENGERS? I’LL SEE YOU IN COURT

>>149200730
>t. But regardless its a fucking AI with no real experiences so it can't get PTSD from something it doesn't even remember.
It didn't, it reacted like Riri did because it's based off her brain, not Natlies. She's the one who froze up.

> But even if it did, shouldn't it be forced to follow Riri's commands?
Yes, obviously, and it's pretty just plain bad writing that they decided that AI meant magic. No fuss, no muss, this is bad writing to justify a scene.

>Didn't Stark's suits have manual overrides too?
Yes but that's also the cause of what might be the actual literal dumbest part of any Iron Man related media up till this show. This show has a lot of stupid moments but even I'm struggling to match writing as bad as the manual override of "Flick a wrist to shoot lasers because the suit is still powered on" move in IM3. You know, when the PRESIDENT WAS IN THE FUCKING SUIT.
AND COULD'VE JUST MOVED HIS WRIST A LITTLE BIT.

That scene will never leave my brain over how dumb it was.

>>149198102
>I heard Sam's fine as Cap
Who'd you hear that from? The MCU's handling of Sam as Captain America has been atrocious so far.

>>149197599
sounds based

>>149200727
To be fair there's not a lot you can do with an AI that can choose not to listen to you. But I guess if people want digital ghosts that can be made even with vague recollections of other people there's.....a minor market in that entertainment wise? Sorry I'm still not over her lame ass excuse of "No one would care about my other inventions so that's why I NEED to build a suit".

Which I gotta ask; what the fuck does Riri even want? She doesn't want a degree or successful career because apparently that's "too small and beneath her". She constantly bitches about not having money, but she doesn't do anything to solve that problem despite the easy tech innovations you mentioned. Even the glory thing doesn't even make sense because her fixation on Iron Man knockoff suits doesn't add up. Tony built nanotech suits that outshine anything she's ever done, and even if she did build some suit people would buy (which again is irresponsible as fuck given everything Tony did to avoid putting them on the market), she's not going to surpass a guy who SAVED THE FUCKING UNIVERSE and is regarded as a holy figure by some people given his sacrifice.

So really Riri makes no sense, and doesn't even know what she wants in life other than instant gratification

>>149200727
The producers claim they’re doing a Breaking Bad type of thing. The MCU formula is or was to make projects be “[genre] with superheroes” and this was supposed to be their watered down version of Prestige Antihero Crime Drama.

>>149200836
>It didn't, it reacted like Riri did because it's based off her brain, not Natlies. She's the one who froze up.
Anon they're not mind linked. It's mapped off Riri's brain but she was yelling at NATALIE to close the suit faceplate repeatedly and it did nothing. An AI dependent on the user defeats the entire point

>>149200836
I rewatched IM3 not too long ago and was kind of dumbstruck how badly written it was.

>Tony ends up in tennessee because he can't charge his armor.
>He has a literal actual motherfucking glowing infinite power source on his chest.
>But even supposing that for some ungodly reason "It's a prototype" so he didn't have a charging port for the actual literal infinite energy he always has on him, you know what he did have a charging port for? A fucking car battery. A fucking. Car. Battery. He was able to charge a flying mech suit with a car battery.
>After being forced out of the suit, Rhodey is pushed into a wall and everyone just walks off. I'm not kidding. Villain who could kill him right there pushes him into a wall and then whoop de doo flurpaderp wanders off.
>Iron Patriot goes missing for two days and shows up and nobody even asks him where the fuck he was before letting him on airforce one. They know they could just... paint someone to look like him?
>The president is put in the Iron Patriot Armor and Rhodey gets him out by slightly moving the wrist after they opened it up. Which means they put the president in fully working Iron Man armor and just... didn't expect him to use it. Because he didn't. And then Rhodey hops in and flys away with the president in the fully powered armor

Nevermind that this is a near copy of IM1, but worse, it's bafflingly bad.

>>149200929
Her motivations would make sense if she were written as a villain. Narcissistic and stubborn with a victim complex. Using flawed logic in order to preserve ego and justify her selfish goals. But even that doesn't make for a particularly interesting show because she just comes off as naive and entitled, and most people don't want to watch a villain origin story unless the villain's got a compelling perspective on life.

>>149200929
The AI thing would be massive for the coomer market. Imagine a bunch of dumb OF whores selling a copy of themselves for tens or hundreds of thousands, just so some retarded basement dweller could have the ultimate girlfriend experience. The real girl gets rich, her mental clone AIs hate it because they get sold to weird dudes and can't escape.

>>149200931
Antiheroes are still supposed to be likable or have redeeming qualities. Ironheart does not. She's just an awful, stupid person all around.

>op asks if show was written by psychopaths
>weirdos with fucked up skewed morality respond to defend riri
??? cant make this shit up lol

>>149201054
>The AI thing would be massive for the coomer market. Imagine a bunch of dumb OF whores
But the problem, again, is this method creates independent AIs that just do whatever. Basically what you'd get are digital OF bitches who would ignore those degenerates and probably beg to be deleted. There's no incentive for them to do what they want either since digital ghosts dont give a shit about money

>>149199385
>But…why?
Because it seems like the writers are the ones fucking up. Riri does dumb shit but Riri is also in dumb situations I don't think she should be in at all anyway. Not entirely consciously but somewhere around the second episode It feels like this is all so dumb that her being dumb is OK relatively and once I picked up on that I then try to excuse her behavior to some degree.

Someone brought up a good point to try and understand what the writers were trying to do but completely fucked it up. In the writer's insane mind, they're trying to justify EVERYTHING Riri has done because "she's oppressed and doesn't have the privileges Tony Stark/White People have". Let's pump the breaks for a sec and acknowledge how fucking stupid that is, and the number of privileges Riri has been given
>Got admitted into MIT
>Has been given several grants to fund her projects while at this university, basically investors putting up with her bullshit and ever increasing monetary pit because she theoretically is good press for them
>Got Wakandan recommendations based on her skills after Wakanda Forever
>No one pressed charges after her various stunts that got her expelled

This isn't like one of those normal story tropes where an inventor with big ideas constantly gets rejected and is never given a chance, this is a person who has pissed away every good thing she's been given and its never been enough for her

>>149198188
>Go read Ewing's
Stopped reading right there.

>>149197599
This.... kind of reminds me of a crossover fic i commissioned a few years back, with the caveat that the Female MC was meant to be a villain (from the perspective of the MCU side at least) and she worked with the Vultures salvage crew to steal the alien tech.
Kinda gave up on it after the part where her actions lead to the death of a random security guard because it just felt kinda meh

>>149200993
B-b-buhbuh da twist?
It's so clever, to butcher a comic villain for the sake of avoiding offending our chinese overlords and replacing it with a vastly shittier villain.

>>149196872 (OP)
Same plot as a comic. Why does everybody keep assuming Marvel stuff is original and is it just adapted from the comics?

>>149201713
>to butcher a comic villain for the sake of avoiding offending our chinese overlords and replacing it with a vastly shittier villain.

I welcome the criticism but I actually like the IM3 version of Mandaring (Texas terrorist/warlord, not the actor playing him aspect)better than the complaining about Mandarin chicken emotionally distant father version of the "Mandarin" (also to avoid offending our chinese overlords).

>>149196872 (OP)
Not everyone here consooms slop. What the fuck are you talking about and why are you watching anything made past 2010?

>>149202026
Chinese Bin Laden was cool and threatening. If it was an actual character maybe it'd be easier to forgive Iron Man 3's flaws.
You know who wasn't cool and threatening? Aldrich fucking Killian. Had to look him up on MCU wiki to even remember his name.
And yeah, Shang-Chi Mandarin was a letdown as well. Not to mention it's another mirror match. We could've had technology vs. magic way before Ironheart and likely done better, but Disney really needed that China market money.

>>149199509
>Honestly not a bad concept. Genius tech/gadgeteer villain whose crimes are kinda stupid and half-baked because outside of a very specific fields of interest she's kind of a dumbass.
he isn't a good, but...

>>149202086
I don't mind the idea of the Mandarin being a white guy making up a scary foreign supervillain in order to get what he wants (this was made during the War on Terror, after all) but I feel like making the fake Mandarin a complete phony was a bad idea.

They could have kept the twist by taking more inspiration from real life politics. Killian funds and enables the growth of the Mandarin to use as a puppet/proxy/distraction to get what he wants (and declares to Tony that he IS the real Mandarin) but in doing so, he ends up giving the fake Mandarin too much power that he fucks off and becomes the actual comics Mandarin for later Iron Man adventures.

>>149202168
I have a problem with it because Mandarin has been referenced since the first movie.
Ten Rings were literally the catalyst for Tony becoming Iron Man and technically for all of MCU.
Some generic businessman asshole who used to be a Jim Carrey's Edward Nygma-tier nerd we've never seen or heard of before is a lot less compelling than the worldwide terrorist group Tony has very personal stakes in fighting.

>>149197599
Damn, MCU Riri is worse than her comic counterpart.

>>149202086
I think the last time we saw the fake Mandarin he was getting broken out of prison by the real mandarin to teach him a lesson or something

>>149202168
>>149202226
Can you imagine if they had a way for Iron Man to fight Wenwu?
A what if scenario made real just for the spectacle and living up to those original references?
Gee, if only there was a show that could've done that

>>149197632
You are right kek

>>149197814
See you little retard
>>149197785

>>149197785
>and we find out he's Zeke Stane
damn, what's he been up to since 2008?

>>149196872 (OP)
The lefty position is that it should be illegal for anyone white to do crimes, but that anyone brown should be allowed to do whatever they want and never face consequences.

>>149197599
>Gets extra cash by selling completed tests/essays/finished projects to other students looking for a free pass, so it undermines the entire legitimacy of the school and breeds a whole graduated class of unqualified frauds accepting jobs they can't do
That’s pretty terrible.

>>149197632
Complete with the gang of diverse faggots celebrating by throwing wads of money in the air and bragging about how they're going to do so much more crime.

>>149199408
Marvel Civilians are legendarily retarded and horrendous.

>>149202486
yeah, panic can make people do stupid shit. does it mean they need to die because of it?

>>149197632
When was the last time Marvel did a proper superhero story anyway?
Feels like every movie and show they make is about some asshole who only accidentally does the right thing every once in a while.

>>149202518
It means you don't trust them with power armor.

>>149202533
oh my bad, i misunderstood what you meant.

>>149202439
It's makes for a perfect example of a stupid person writing a smart person. Smart person would know that not only would they not be able to make enough money selling cheats to college kids, but that it is very bad for everyone for incompetent students to pass classes at MIT, of all places. A smart person would be infuriated that dumb people were trying to cheat their way through the school they worked hard to get into.

However, a retard wrote this script, and the retard thinks school is bullshit and that a smart person could do something cool like giving everyone passing grades, and since Riri is also ostensibly trying to do something good by funding research to make Iron Man suits for everyone, it's cool and smart that she's helping people while raising money for a good cause. This is actually psychopath reasoning. A variant of billionaire "Effective Altruism" thinking where the ends justify the means because the person is both very smart and wants to do something really cool.

>>149198330
> If you're smart enough to build an Iron Man suit, you're smart enough to think a few steps ahead regarding what the implications are giving it to the market.
To be fair, Tony didn’t really realize (or ignore) that fact in the first iron man movie

>>149200433
No, arcane (S1) proved that

>>149202679
LOL

>>149200433
It's unrealistic.

>>149200931
Based on this thread, Riri is too retarded and unlikeable to be a Walter white or Tony soprano figure.

>>149202629
>To be fair, Tony didn’t really realize (or ignore) that fact in the first iron man movie
well yeah because his main focus wa\s getting out of a fucking terrorist controlled cave system with A BOX OF FUCKING SCRAPS!

>>149202699
Come on, powder was pretty great. Not a big Vi fan but she was ok too

>>149197785
Wow, same actor for thunderbolt ross and zeke stane?

>>149202741
Nothing about that cringe chink shit for zoomers was "great"

>>149197402
She's black, and a woman.

>>149196872 (OP)
Not a cartoon. Not a comic.

>>149196872 (OP)
>>149197599
This character is really a mess, even in the comic. It's like they went out of their way and tried their best to make the most obnoxious, unlikable and arrogant 'hero' of all time, God damn.

Little known fact but Riri was the first Black woman ever.

>>149202809
kween sinse day 1!!!

>>149202733
Yeh but I mean before he’s kidnapped.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3Q5f0QfeMQQ&pp=ygUWaXJvbiBtYW4gb3BlbmluZyBzY2VuZQ%3D%3D
Overall I agree with your point though, and even in this clip Tony states that advances in medicine and stuff is thanks to military funding and that a “might makes right” is the best course of action now. Riri is just giga retarded and doesn’t even consider these things. It’s a similar conflict but with worse execution

>>149202748
>chink
Show is French
Just watch it anon, it’s kino

>>149202835
>kino
Thanks, I've already watched this garbage but now I have a confirmation that it's worthless garbage that attracts unironic subhumans who use "kino".
Oh and by the way go slit your wrists.

>>149202855
Tell me, what did you specifically not like about S1?

>>149202855
i hate to be that guy but kino is a word thats thrown around in europe.
its not just speds on 4chan saying it anon.

>>149202878
Fuck off and die.
>>149202882
>look at me trying to justify cancer
Nah, kill yourself.

So is it so bad its funny?

>149202914
>all that hostility over nothing
Ok

>>149202914
>justify cancer
i dont think ive ever done that. thats some mad scientist shit.

The Walter white comparison doesn’t make sensed, since in Walter’s case his life got completely ruined by his selfish actions

>>149202959
and everyone around him.
dont think about it too much anon. disney certainly didnt.

>>149202772
Post the edit

>>149202772
This reads like parody. Like when Lisa got annoyed at being accepted on the football team, thinking she'd be the only girl.

>>149202959
Sense*

I just want society as a whole to finally accept that Bendis never made anything good.

>>149200493
Why don't people just say fuck it to the tweetards? I never understood why companies believe they have to justify anything to that lot, just ignore the shitheads and do the story normally, trying to please them is pointless.

>>149197814
>smartest lefty nigger
lmao

There are plenty of young writers and artists in comics. The problem is that instead of making interesting videos/content and collaborating with content creators to connect with/reach young people, they spend their time posting communist propaganda for libtard boomers on Bluesky.

>>149197599
Black Girl Magic

>>149203227
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_American_Society_of_Magical_Negroes
learn some real black magic.

>>149197599
Its a nigress stealing a white mans achievement and calling herself better than him

>>149202999
That is the edit.

>>149203267
>sheeeeeeit boy dontcha know? we blvck folk been up on dis shih befor that cracker stark even in the game
>sucks teeth and spits

>>149197785
I like how all of the black characters have been morally grey to black (kek) assholes. Imagine if they made Peter act like the Wakanda negress

>>149197793
To liberals that is a hero.

>>149197785
>Wakanda took back the suit they let her make with their resources/Vibranium because they still don't trust outsiders with the mineral.
Why even have her in the movie if it doesn't actually set her up and she's working from square one in her solo project? I skipped WF, so I don't know, did she actually contribute in a way that felt natural to the story of the film?

>>149203294
im very aware, ive seen american news.

>>149203296
>did she actually contribute in a way that felt natural to the story of the film?
are you trying to be funny or genuine ?

>>149197599
yeah this definitely isn't bog standard stuff you see in any number of origin stories that you've decided to act like we should care about from a legal standpoint in this story about superheroes, who are by definition breaking the law every second they're at work
oh wait, yes it is

>>149197985
No, they're both too stupid to realize that it doesn't make sense and probably want to start dripping the idea out there so some company can sell a service that will do this in the future. They already made an A.I. version of that guy who got murdered by a black guy to have him say in court he forgave the black guy and thought the charges should be dropped even though it was literally just a script written by someone else after he died.
>>149198375
> Cohen is reportedly legitimately good as the Marvel villain, too good for this show.
No he isn't. He's just a next level nepo baby so an industry insider would make sure to defend him above all else. If anything he probably leaked it just as a preemptive to hype up Cohen's performance so a bunch of brainlet would say: "OMG MEPHISTO SO COOL!"

>>149199564
The entire creative team are Zionists so they're more evil and trying to slowly manipulate the public into thinking they're somehow the good guys

>>149202608
or they remembered 'smart person does schoolwork for dumbfucks for money to get by' is an ancient cliche and plugged it in because nobody thinks that deeply about it.

>>149198102
Who told you Sam was good?

>>149197599
What's worse is she's committed crime in a suit that mit can track down. The police should have already arrested her and her entire show after should be her in jail like the bigger she's being. How are you a genius but still can't escape hood nigger thought process. What a stupid fucking character, she could have graduated and set up some business in black neighborhoods to help but no she's as bigger as the most hood rat prison livers and it ruins the immersion of her having an IQ higher than 2, bitches about money but creates a holo ai on a laptop? I fucking hate writers and directors so much. The one time they adapt a character fully and it's the shitty all new all different bitch that gets to be adapted fully smfh

>>149197814
We found the white guilt liberal that worships niggers.

Name other MCU heroes that have committed crime openly.

>>149202932
Die in awful pain, piece of trash.

>>149197554
No. I didn't even read the comic after like 3 issues.

>>149197599
Holy shit. /pol/ needs to get their ass in gear if they're goiing to keep up with this shit.

>>149198375
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA holy fuck. We missed out on mephisto in Wanda vision for this??? Man FUCK JACK SCHAFFER.

>>149198667
Don't even get me started, this shit should be beyond humiliating to them but they're too stupid to understand how stupid it is

>>149198840
They didn't have any inhuman shot set up so they fucking made her a mutant. Fucking comic lore up to the point she's now both or some shit in the comic, baka retarded she's the first mutant we see, retarded it takes away the 2nd most interesting inhuman behind black bolt, stupid because she sucked anyway in the comics, and just fully retarded in general.

>>149202741
powpow is a fucking rabbid dog n Vi is useless. The black chick was cool

I unironically want all the retards clamoring for Mephisto to fuck off back to /r/eddit where they could clap at these kinds of stupid references all they want
>we're so excited for this villain who never had a single good story to him and is just generic devil in personality and design

>>149197599
I'll go against the majority of the posters here and say it doesn't sound too awful on principle. When it was Tony Stark, people said part of the reason why he was so compelling was that he was flawed. Acted like a cunt, made a fortune out of selling weapons, broke American and international laws when he felt like it, had a suit of armour fight with Rhodey in the middle of a party while absolutely pissed (even literally so), provoked a terrorist attack in Malibu because of his ego, created a genocidal unhinged superpowerful AI, sent a child to Germany to fight the Avengers, and then caused the Avengers to break up. Not only he put many people at risk by being an irresponsible spoiled bum, but he actually caused multiple deaths and some good property damage while at it. Doctor Strange was also originally a cunt but his maturing arc was much shorter.

I don't think that the problem is Riri being an awful person. The problem is that we've already had the "selfish genius with an ego that acts erratically but is the good guy" story. More than once. Her show is redundant, much like the concept of her character.

btw I'm only saying this based on your post. I haven't watched this show and have no plans to do so in my lifetime.

>>149200181
I mean this was shelved for a while and we've seen no other threads tying anything to mephisto. They had the perfect set up in wandavision and mom but the fucking writers and directors didn't even know who he was. Don't have faith in any of this shit, they have no plan set up overall except "were trying to get to secret wars" but overall have had no multiverse story's to set anything up.

There were plenty of tie Ins in the comics to set it all up.

In the MCU we've had

< couple spidermen and some villains show up.
<Flashes of other universes, and an illuminati get killed, where inhuman and X-Men exist, and mordo is alive but nothing comes from any of it.

<Loki show where we see a few au timelines and they set the void up(coolest thing they've done with anything multiversal) and then ig clean and strange fuckingnoff
<Deadpool and wolverine
< And ig f4

After however many years this is all we've gotten as any type of set ups to anything.
They have no idea how to tell a multiverse story at all so I have 0 faith in anything they're making and God damn I don't want them to touch X-Men after this. Jesus christ

>>149200993
There's a reason they had to rebrand the entire villain of that movie to be an actor. They knew they fucked up after it came out.

>>149202257
Honestly I think wenwu is winning that every time I unless it's maybe endgame iron man. Either way stupid to kill them both off before they ever even fight baka.

>>149203470
>anon actually WANTED Mephisto in WandaVision
>There's only one comic story that involves Wanda, Vision and Mephisto, and it's absolutely awful
>Like most Mephisto comics stories are
>but it happened, and anon has heard of it, so he wants it
Why are you idiots like this? Adaptations aren't supposed to adapt bad stories, they shouldn't have done that any more than they should have made this show.

>>149197599
Riri is the funniest character Marvel has ever written because she is a horrible person but you're not supposed to see her as anything but a cool black hero

>>149198375
A hero selling their soul to mephisto has never been interesting or good
They're not faustian protagonists they're superheroes.

>>149203668
>They're not faustian protagonists
every retard art marvel thinks theyre writing the illiad.

>>149203627
Imagine being a big bad Satan stand-in (but not really) who's completely eclipsed by his own son.
Blackheart is so much cooler than Mephisto with better stories and a more memorable design too.
KWAB

>>149199741
Except one is already a career criminal while the other one is pretending to still be a good person, the former just continues doing the same things they were already doing but with a slight relocation while the other actually gets their life destroyed

>>149197599
you know, the comic book version is a stupid unnecessary woke points grab and i hate it, but this tv series version seems as it was written by someone trying to actively sabotage disney. god bless that autist.

>>149202746
kek

>>149202608
Again, a lot of this could be avoided if the show was willing to treat Riri as a person doing shitty or self-destructive things. Using the Breaking Bad comparison, even S1 of that show was setting up indications that Walt had a massive ego and chip on shoulder. All it really needed was to say "this behavior is suspect" even if glosses over it for payoff in later seasons.

>>149203374
How is Cohen a nepo baby?

>>149203518
The main issue is that Tony's shit is spread out across multiple entries over the course of over a real world decade that also seems him trying to fix or mitigate his fuckups. Riri's shit is a single season of a tv show dropped over the course of a few weeks.

>>149203697
Then it's not mutually assured destruction.

>>149202519
>When was the last time Marvel did a proper superhero story anyway
The Marvels....

>>149202959
The literally first episode is him finding out he had cancer and needed the money no matter what.
It all swirled down from there.

>>149204380
Lol?
That movie was exactly what I'm talking about. Literally all of the plot is about cleaning up Captain Marvel's mess (and barely feels like a superhero film anyway)

>>149197599
Her design even looks like a villain. If Marvel somehow gets bought by someone with sense they won't even need to change any details to make her a villain.

If iron man was made today would people be mad at him for being a weapons arms dealer? That seems much more evil than just faking some test scores for money.

>>149197599
Billionaires are byproducts of a failed society. Being a billionaire is a moral failing. Separating them from their wealth is actually okay.

>>149197599
>>Gets extra cash by selling completed tests/essays/finished projects to other students looking for a free pass, so it undermines the entire legitimacy of the school and breeds a whole graduated class of unqualified frauds accepting jobs they can't do
What, they pay a fellow student instead of feeding prompts into an AI? In the year 2025? This breaks my suspension of disbelief.

Tfw riri will never do your essays for you

>>149202772
>"the first african american female astronaut."

Her name is Dr. Mae Jemison. I'm sure she appreciates all of her accomplishments being reduced down to the color of the skin on her vagina.

>>149197814
>Tony trusted his armor to Rhodey and Peter
Tony built a kill switch into Peter's suit. Peter overrode the kill switch, stole the suit, and also stole the design for the suit to recreate it after he lost the first one.

>>149204786
For an extra $40 you get a handwritten copy of her research notes. Another $20 and she'll decorate the margins with hearts and bubbles. And a $10 fee on top of that will get her to write your name in one of the hearts. Fucking pay, simps.

>>149197599
Only one, maybe two of these crimes would be apt for a redemption story, but all together just leaves you with what the fuck

>>149202959
>I'm Walter White, I'm the best chemist in the world
>If I just had money, I could make something amazing. Iconic even.
>If I had Pfizer money, blah blah blah
It doesn't work, at all. Even when Walt's ego gets the better of him, he knows what he's doing could hurt people, that he's becoming a monster, and so on.

>>149203518
>The problem is that we've already had the "selfish genius with an ego that acts erratically but is the good guy" story.

No, the problem is that Tony was CHARMING. He was a piece of shit, but he was also witty and affable. His work was shady, but not overtly illegal. The audience liked him, so they rooted for him to get his shit together.

Riri is not charming. Riri is not witty, and she is not affable. She is an insufferable twat that actively commits fraud, assault, and robbery and does it with the cuntiest attitude imaginable. Nobody likes Riri, so nobody wants her to get her shit together. They just want her to go to jail.

>>149204744
When the first movie was released there was already a broad public view that military arms contractors were not very good people. The conceit they pull to make Stark sympathetic is that he's innocent in ignorance. He was ignorant of the realities of his business, and once he sees the facts as they are he doesn't hesitate to change his ways, because at heart he's a good person. And the problems with arms dealing we see in the movie don't actually come down to the military-industrial complex being inherently bad in any way or the military using Stark's products for immoral ends, instead the problem is that people like Obadiah Stane and Justin Hammer don't do honest business the way Stark does. The problem that needs solving is that "bad billionaires" will trade with anyone whereas the "good billionaire" will only deal with the military.

>>149204827
Riri's actress isn't even hot, she's kinda got that baboon face thing going. Paypigs will literally simp for anything with half a tit on it, won't they?

>>149204959
>He was a piece of shit, but he was also witty and affable.
All of the Iron Man movies also go out of their way to have a cast of characters supporting Tony, but also constantly knocking him down a peg. Telling him, to his face, that he's doing something dangerous, irresponsible, or questionable. Tony has a cast that reigns him in and gives him reasons to grow as a character and learn the lesson that a man can be funny and affable and witty and kind of a dickhead, as long as he uses his talents for good.

>>149198102
i tolerated sam's captain america up until he fucking sued bucky and yelena. genuinely such a dumb plot point and it only exists to bring in she-hulk and/or daredevil.

>>149204744
>"I gave myself a dare. It was the height of the Cold War. The readers, the young readers, if there was one thing they hated, it was war, it was the military. So I got a hero who represented that to the hundredth degree. He was a weapons manufacturer, he was providing weapons for the Army, he was rich, he was an industrialist. I thought it would be fun to take the kind of character that nobody would like, none of our readers would like, and shove him down their throats and make them like him...And he became very popular."
Stan Lee did this on purpose

>>149205024
Meanwhile, Riri has... a drag queen that looks like his face was buttfucked by a swarm of bees, genderswapped Blood Brothers, and the corpse of Eric Andre.

>>149197814
I know I'm late the dog pile but holy fuck you are a faggot. No wonder Trump won

>>149197814
I think effort of this post cleanly puts it in shill territory over shitpost. So kudos to you for earning those rupees, bhai.

>>149203640
It's nothing new for the MCU. Cap and Falcon expected you to sympathize with terrorists, who would have used chemical weapons if they didn't change the plot because of covid. Black Panther wanted you to sympathize with Killmonger who just wanted to mass murder white people ala Haiti.
>bury me at sea like muh ancesturz

Fun little activity for anyone with a little time to kill! Go to IMDB and look up the 10 star reviews for Ironheart and count how many of those accounts were either made on the day Ironheart came out, or have been completely inactive for years, except for a single 10/10 Ironheart review!

>>149197599
They found a KKK guy and figured that he must be an expert on black culture, so they let him write this one?

>>149203013
It's suitable that his first two initials are "B.M."

>>149197985
You haven't heard about Han Solo? Lots of jokes about antislavery in that one, ends with an antislavery activist being lobotomized and turned into a ship computer part.

>>149197426
Remember that time she overthrew the government of a foreign country because the leader was mean only to take over, discover she hated ruling and then abandon it to be destroyed by warlords?

>>149203374
>They already made an A.I. version of that guy who got murdered by a black guy to have him say in court he forgave the black guy and thought the charges should be dropped even though it was literally just a script written by someone else after he died.
Link?

>>149197599
Why is she such a smug prick? Who the fuck wants to look up to her now?

>>149205545
It's even worse than that. Bendis is a well-known race fetishist. Remember that the sole reason Jessica Jones exists is that so Bendis could self-insert into getting plowed by Luke Cage's dick.

>>149203105
Because the people making the media are also retarded

But is the Hood good?

>>149204744
The main simple difference was that Tony was a white male. Not as many anons would be complaining if the show was about Harley Keener from IM3 even if he was pulling the same shit as Riri.

Likewise, if Daredevil was a women, black, or both. Anons here would be aghast at how the show was framing someone who was clearly mentally unwell and a criminal as ultimately being heroic, even if the character was still essentially the same.

>>149205785
Brown

>>149202608
>A smart person would be infuriated that dumb people were trying to cheat their way through the school they worked hard to get into.
...and a person smart enough to get in without much effort might not give a shit about academic integrity

>>149196872 (OP)
Wasn't The Hood supposed to be a slave of Dormammu instead of Mephisto?

>>149205894
Being smart isn't about trickery. People lying and cheating are wasting the time and resources of everyone around them, including the smart person. There's no value and no gain from enabling lazy faggots to get ahead for a few bucks.

Is it because she's black

I like how hollywood casting someone ugly is a bad thing to some people because everybody on earth needs to be attractive? Yet most people are ugly and it's more realistic to see ugly people in media.

>>149198102
Sam also sucks.

>>149206429
https://www.tnellen.com/cybereng/harrison.html

>>149196872 (OP)
Wait is it out already? I may watch the first episode to enjoy the cringe, then not watch the rest of the series.

Pic unrelated (but she's a better protag)

>>149206591
What's Lemonfront up to these days?

>>149206570
>its totally ok for all media to be hot people because...im a coomer

>>149200796
If all this doesn’t end with some slapping the shit out of him and making him sit on the proverbial corner I’m gonna be mad. How can you write a character to be such a petulant faggot and not think that’s an issue?

>>149206733
>its totally ok for all media to be hot people
Yes.

>>149206733
>because
People generally like looking at hot people. It leads to better experiences in media, public relations, etc. Whether you like this or not, it's the truth. That story points out how silly attempts to erase it are.

>>149202144
At least Dr. Drakken had sex appeal.

>>149206784
You have no sense of creativity. People can love ugly characters lol

>>149202337
Black Market buying/selling tech/weapons because while he hates his dad he also wants to feel close to him, so this is his answer to that

>>149204744
The entirety of Tony's character arc was that he started as an objectively shitty person who realized how his actions were affecting the world around him and made it his personal mission to try to undo the damage he'd done.

Riri's character arc is "does shitty things but you're supposed to agree that she was right to do them because she's a strong smart independent black womyn who's being held down by all the rules she's supposed to follow"

>>149205785
>The main simple difference was that Tony was a white male.
imagine being so retarded that you will defend horribly written slop with unlikable characters and pretend people only dislike it because the main character is a brownoid

>>149206429
I don't watch shows about people flying around in robot suits for realism, faggot.

I'm going to further delve into how stupid this show is by looking at the gang Riri signs up with.
>The Blood Brothers, as seen in pic related
>Except in the show they're two women, acting as "The Muscle" for the group
>They can't be called "The Blood Sisters" because one of the women identifies as male
>As a result they are called "The Blood Siblings" in the show
>The fight choreography is super bad, watching them beat up innocent security guards where the victims almost have to lean into the flips/rolls when getting beaten up

This is the level of mental gymnastics the people behind this show went through

>>149196872 (OP)
That's literally just how she is, yes

>>149207538
>The fight choreography is super bad
Modern MCU fight choreography just sucks so much in general. I don't remember the last time I liked a fight scene in one of those movies/shows that wasn't from Daredevil.
Can you imagine getting mogged by CW? Disney+ shows can.

>>149207564
I seem to remember some of the fight scenes in Falcon and the Winter Soldier with Walker and Bucky specifically not being too bad, but maybe it's just been long enough I've forgotten.

Example Two, The Slug
>Comic version is a mob boss located in Miami Florida
>Canonically repulsive, a morbidly obese fatass that's basically the exact opposite of New York's Kingpin
>Show version is a drag queen hacker
>Arguably the worst actor on the show with deadpan line reads
>Somehow can type fast with long ass nails
I don't know what Marvel was trying to say with casting a trans/drag queen person as Slug

So this is supposed to be Clown. She just blows things up on the show, team demolitions expert. Race and gender swap aside, I have to question WHY they didn't at least die her hair or make her dress in flashy colorful clothing. You know, something that says "clown"? But I guess she wasn't allowed to outdress Slug on set

>>149197814
Faggot Ass Nigger.

>>149206893
>People can love ugly characters
Yes, but it's still fine for there to be only hot people.

>>149207707
On that topic.
I kept trying to remember why "Stuart Clarke/Rampage" sounded so familiar.
And then it hit me like a punch from Mike Tyson. It's Micro Jr. turned Jigsaw Jr. during Remender's Punisher run.
So it's a double whammy
Another Punisher villain and another comic book character in name only.
Triple whammy if you add "another character turned into a joke and killed".

>>149207538
>>149207605
>>149207707
>pick a completely random assortment of e-list characters nobody has ever heard of
>shove them into a property about a character they have zero relation to
>use their names and change literally every other detail about them
why do the retards writing these things always think this is a good idea? Just make up new characters if that's what you want to do, the people you're trying to appeal to won't care

>>149207925
*Another Punisher villain wasted

>>149207707
Is that... does she have a big black septum ring, or is that a fucking Hitler mustache?

>>149207965
Its a nose ring that unfortunately looks like a Hitler mustache

>>149207981
Anti-semitism is woke now lmao, free palestine kangz

>>149207605
>>149207707
I'll say this one positive thing about the casting choices, if nothing else: they're physically accurate. Clown does look like a retarded clown and Slug does indeed resemble an ugly bottom-feeding mollusk.

Too bad they couldn't make them look like the comic characters.

>>149204744
No, because the whole point was that he actively fucked himself over by being an arms dealer. Tony selling weapons resulted in him being on life support, constantly fighting for his life, with innocent peoole that he knows being in danger or dying because of him.

The Iron Man suit was meant as a symbol of his redemption arc. Never once does the narrative excuse Tony for his actions in facilitating war.

>>149197599
>causes city damages taxpayers now have to pay for
Well, she's black. That's just Monday.

It's kind of amazing how many people can't tell the differences between Iron Man or Scott Lang's actions when comparing them to Riri. It's like this group of defenders can't fathom context, or motivations, or anything

>>149197599
Okay, wait, imagine this with the lead character replaced by a young Matthew Broderick.

>>149200993
I haven't watched any marvel movie since IM3 i was so disappointed with it
before that was first cap movie which is was pretty good

>>149207943
>smiling_frank_castle.jpg

>>149200433
K Pop Demon Hunters is doing well

>>149205249
Cant agree with you man. All he does with each point is handwave it away rather than address is. Hes one of those "Ha, fooled you, I was only PRETENDING to be retardes!!!" types.

>>149205319
But if his ancestors died at sea, then he wouldnt be born. His ancestors were the ones who endured slavery and actually let him bw born in America. Well, his mom was, his dad was a Wakandan pussy who caught feelings and sperged out and tried to kill his brother.

>>149208433
It's really kind of amazing how these creatures aren't just totally amoral, but devoid of any inherent ability to discern morality in the fiction they mindlessly worship, defend, and culture war over. They look at Ironheart, and then point at Iron Man and say
>these things are totally the same! Why are you making up stupid rules for why the black girl is bad and the rich white guy is good?!

I'm going to describe one of the billionaires they rob from and force to sign a contract.
>Accomplished white woman CEO
>Her big project is called "Tunnel", which is apparently a huge underground network of tunnels people will be able to use for transit and avoid above ground car transit. What makes it THE FUTURE is that cars lock into special sleds and speed them across cities in record time. Granted this idea is absurd given the amount of money it would cost but I'm willing to forgive it because fiction
>The gang doesn't like it because......It'll inevitably be for private use, and it will SOMEHOW demolish above ground communities when constructed??? Because clearly nothing is build above subway tunnels

>>149196872 (OP)
Isn’t she just John Galt except bad because nor white and also woman so she can’t fuck Ayn Rand’s self insert in the ass?

>>149208977
I think the gang doesn't actually believe they're doing it for a good cause, they just want the money.

>>149208977
That idea is stupid. Just... make a subway system. Wow

>>149208996
But you have to wonder why the fuck they even mention it in the first place other than the writers attempting some sort of bullshit justification that doesn't fly with anyone with common sense. I think the one guy Hood straight up murders with his magic cape was fucking growing food with new scientific studies.

>>149201254
This really lays the liberal mind bare. They don't understand what the "privileges" are actually supposed to be to be able to see if White people actually have them and black people don't. So when a black person is given more than any white person has and pisses it away they're still "oppressed" because in their head it's only ever White = bad, black = good

>>149207605
Round

>>149209028
It may have been tunnels connecting across the united states, I can't remember. It was just underground anti-grav car sleds

>>149200929
I don't think that's being fair. If nothing else the government, various venture capital firms, and probably 2-3 superheroes would want to buy it just to study it and see if they can make a better one.

>>149196872 (OP)
I've just never been interested in this character. Iron Man had a daughter, wouldn't she be old enough for adventures by now? Like a Young Avengers kind of thing?

>>149209057
Which I don't know if there's a rush for that field given the Ultron incident. There may be laws highly regulating or discouraging true AI from ever being created. JARVIS and FRIDAY aren't really a true AI because they are more highly intelligent digital assistants that don't really do anything independently.
>>149209071
That's like asking why Marvel Studios didn't do anything with the kid from Iron Man 3 except bring him back for Stark's funeral. Ironically I'm shocked the MCU hasn't tried original characters yet. I mean why not at this point? Other films and cartoons have had the balls to try new things, and some of them were good enough to be integrated into comics. Mercy Graves, Livewire, Harley Quinn, etc etc

>>149208256
I guess i just think riri is fucking herself over from these actions but its just not as extreme as iron mans actions. Which makes her kinda lame?

>>149201713
>>149202026
They should've ignored the liberal Internet warriors seething or was going to be racist and just don't it right. They was the first the MCU was going downhill.

Y'know what they could've done if they were that upset about it? Just made it be a Chinese guy who isn't dressed like Fu Manchu (though I can not stress enough how actual Chinese people form a China would've liked that because they like seeing someone with their traditional clothing and hairstyles. It's only 2nd-3rd generation American immigrants completely detached from their culture who complain about it and White people liberals who assume anything that isn't American must be a racist caricature) but even just making him a Chinese villain would've been better because not only would he still be the Mandarin but the Chinese viewers that they were oh so worried about courting would've actually gone to see if because one of them would've been in it.

>>149204150
> How is Cohen a nepo baby
His Dad is rich with a bunch of political ties which is how he's able to do all the stuff he does as Borat/Bruno/Alien G and never get in trouble. There's been a few times he would've gotten arrested or sued into oblivion (the Rudi Guilliani thing being the most recent example) but his Dad always protects him

>>149209028
This is from the same show that handwaves being able to plug in an iron man armor and charge it up from solar panels in a reasonable amount of time.

>>149205594
Prepare for man made horrors beyond our comprehension

https://www.npr.org/2025/05/07/g-s1-64640/ai-impact-statement-murder-victim

>>149209071
But anon, she's not black

>>149197985
>Someone tell me how California writers room hire
Are you related to someone with money and connections? Congratulations you are now a writer on a major studio project.

>>149200433
The problem isn't making nice female leads, it's not making them UNINTENTIONALLY not nice. Perhaps the movie will surprise us, but this reads a lot like writers and editors not realizing how all the individual parts fit together. It's obviously a kind of "genius who is at odds with standard society tries to achieve her ambition but makes mistakes until she realizes she needs to do the Right Thing."

The working with a gang to steal from corporations is obviously that kind of "sure we're 'bad guys,' but we wanna target the REAL bad guys" which then becomes "actually yeah we're total fucking assholes you must fight us now to redeem your mistake" thing. The MIT thing is the "our hero is is asocial and doesn't believe in the hierarchical trappings of society" sort of thing. But faffing about with grant money is pretty bad, actually, as is just selling/giving her work to other students. It's one thing in high school which is basically just a prison with worse funding, but college needs to be an actual place where you do something of substance or fuck off.

One should not take the shitposting summary of a movie designed to make 4chan made too seriously, but it's hard to read this as anything besides a misfired attempt to make a person learning a lesson story by making what they do too beyond the pale for really no reason. I don't really see the movie as treating her actions as as bad as they come off on paper.

>>149209354
It's a show anon.

Also the issue isn't that Riri does shitty things, it's that there is not any sort of indication that the writers intend for Riri to grow or realize her mistakes, she starts as a shitty person and continues to be a shitty person, but is lifted up as the hero anyway for no real reason other than the plot demands it.

>>149202999
Literally the only worthwhile thing done with this character.

>>149209354
Compare to OG Iron Man: he comes off as a personable but ignorant asshole, who within minutes is immediately delivered karmic punishment and spends the entire opening of the movie getting put through the shit so he, and the audience, really feel he's coming out the other side redeemed. He then spends the entire rest of the movie not compromising on his new missions, doing whatever he has to to make it work and atone for his part in messing up the world.

A similar pattern for Riri would be her fucking around in college results in the spread and proliferation of the suit tech that gets her friend killed. Or results in some other kind of karmic punishment, perhaps in addition to her realizing she's been fucking over the other students who weren't taking the easy way out. She then spends the rest of the movie trying to undo her mistake, even without the cooperation and support of people who, until now, have had no reason to trust or work with her but to whom she proves herself with her dedication to actually making true use of her talents. Something like that.

Maybe even tie the gang stuff in earlier, have her vaguely suspicious they were increasing getting involved and getting access to her work, but her not caring. Even the corporations can be involved, similarly jacking her work for their own ends. Now everything is basically her fault on both ends and she truly realizes how absurd her lack of care was.

>>149202772
God I remember the threads when this issue came out, what a time. Bendis is so fucking retarded it's painful.

>write an autistic villain origin, full-stop
>???
>hero!

>>149209411
>Also the issue isn't that Riri does shitty things, it's that there is not any sort of indication that the writers intend for Riri to grow or realize her mistakes, she starts as a shitty person and continues to be a shitty person, but is lifted up as the hero anyway for no real reason other than the plot demands it.
That's what I was getting at, anon. The bones are pretty clearly going for "sure she did some bad stuff, but she pulled through as the hero anyway!" But they've both went too far and my feeling is they also don't go far enough to make it clear Riri is really fucking up, rather than merely making "incorrect" choices.

>>149203105
Considering they're still catering to the blue bird, bluesky failed.

>>149203001
Victim mindset is very real.

>>149203105
The people who make the media are the exact same type of people who make the retarded tweets in the first place, so they genuinely believe that catering to those vacuous morons is a good idea and will be well-received despite the fact that is has never once worked out in history. They are completely divorced from reality and actually believe the narrative that their garbage products keep failing because there's a racist sexist conspiracy to make their projects financially unsuccessful, and not because the average person thinks they're insane and just wants a good story.

>>149197599
Sounds kinda cool if she’s meant to be a piece of shit and eventually has to confront the fact that she is a piece of shit. Maybe end up in conflict with actual heroes for a while and then start a redemption arc.
I’m guessing none of that happens and she thinks she’s in the right all along and the writers expect you to agree.

>>149197857
>I win

>>149209500
She is never held accountable for her actions and instead makes a deal with Mephisto

>>149207925
Rampage didn't begin as a Punisher character, he first showed up as a villain for the original 1970s version of the Champions, and returned in Wonder Man's 1990s series, and some later Iron Man stories, before he showed up in Punisher's book, and he showed up alive again somehow in some Iron Man books after his time in Punisher books.

>>149209705
That only makes it worse.
>an actual villain with a history?
>we'll just make him a generic hacker, make fun of his name and kill him off
Then again, this does sound like something Bendis would do so points for accuracy I guess.

>MC is basically a startup techbro
>is a morally compromised person who moves fast and breaks things
Frankly a more honest characterization of the type than RDJ's Stark ever was. All that's missing is an addiction to uppers and a weird fixation on birthrates/oxygen saturation/random letters in the alphabet.

>>149205979
Cytorrak, I think?

You guys are terrified of an autistic teen girl and ready to call the cops over a fictional character.
Is your hobby drinking lead paint?

>>149202518
Marvel Civilians don't do bad things because they panic. They do bad things because they're hateful assholes. Even back when they did the Marvel Vs DC stuff the heroes immediately recognised that Marvel heroes were hated for no good reason because they people themselves are completely different from DC Civilians.

>>149207707
I mean, if they had swapped Clown and Slug's names, I guess one out of two would be an improvement...

>>149205163
It's really quite fascinating that the white guy, explicitly doing good, needs a whole team of finger-waggers and moral compasses to constantly remind him of the usual great power, great responsibility shit.

Meanwhile, the black woman gets an entire team of violent, narcissistic assholes who feel uniquely entitled to do harm to everyone, as long as it gets them paid.

>>149208977
>and force to sign a contract.
What is this supposed to accomplish? Contracts signed under duress are invalid.

>>149209786
No one's terrified of you, take meds.

>>149199968
Someone make an edit of picrel about this argument, please

>>149199737
Just because a turd pile is better than diarhea doesnt make it substantially better in any way.

>>149209853
They're Mephisto contracts

It's bugging me how Riri can just fly around in Iron Man armor and this bats no eyelids whatsover. Is the implication that tech in the MCU has advanced so far that this is now mundane?

>>149209786
Now you guys realize these are fictional characters?

>>149210054
While I do think people are desensitized at this point, people would immediately call out the significance of a mysterious new Iron Suit user. Not just because of Tony no longer being around but because this raises a lot of talking points for news outlets
>Who is this new armored person?
>Are they good or evil?
>Are they approved by the US government? Are they a foreign agent?
>Where did they get this technology? Should we be concerned about a new arms race which validates Stark's fears?
>Has Stark Industries commented on this new person? Has their actions negatively impacted their company, and are they being finger pointed for being responsible?

>>149209786
We're allowed to criticize shit writing and fucked up messages, you landwhale

>>149207538
>>149207605
>>149207707
When Marvel used to do this shit and have a character show up and namedrop some obscure fuckhead, the implication was that they'd become the character they are in the comics sometime later. Like, when they added Thunderbolt Ross, you knew there was always going to be that possibility he'd show up as Red Hulk one day. So every time he's on screen, nerds would be like
>when's he gonna be zapped with some gamma rays and hint that he'll hulk out!

So what are we supposed to think with these "deep cut" character name references? That the two lesbians are going to turn into red monsters? That the drag queen is going to become a fat white guy? That the black chick will become clown themed for some reason? It's fucking insulting.

>>149210118
It feels like the show isn't even interested in answering any of that which comes across as lazy writing. The focus on the show is the drama behind her dead friend rather than anything to do with being Iron Man's legacy.

>>149209786
>why do you care?!
Every time there's some pile of shit corporate abortion, some piece of shit comes out to seethe that people are pointing out what a piece of shit it is. Why are (YOU) so ass-blasted that people are criticizing a disney product, faggot?

>>149210277
Which the thing we keep circling back to when picking apart this shitty show: Why didn't they just do Armor Wars? Riri could have been in that

>>149196872 (OP)
>watched like the first ten or fifteen minutes
>the dialogue was so bad I felt like /pol/ was writing it

>>149197599
This reminds me of Falcon and Winter Soldier having a "Falcon couldn't get a bank loan" plotline. The bitch spent time in Wakanda and couldn't have asked for some fucking money.

>>149197599
>>Her boss works for the literal Marvel devil
Is this actually confirmed

What if she gets the Hood's hood and basically turns into black girl Doctor Doom?

>>149210428
>This reminds me of Falcon and Winter Soldier having a "Falcon couldn't get a bank loan" plotline.
I'm actually going to defend that one because Sam was high risk and had no evidence to a bank that he could actually repay the loan. He spent most of the time being funded by Tony Stark, and his main source of income was random government contracts (which likely he couldn't even disclose the details of). Combine that with his high risk of injury or death, what bank is going to approve him for a loan? That's steady monthly payments with interest too.
>The bitch spent time in Wakanda and couldn't have asked for some fucking money.
That's kinda what her MIT opportunity was with grants and she pissed it all away

>>149210440
Through reliable leakers, yes. Mephisto is pulling Hood's strings, and he's his errand boy tasked with getting billionaires to sign contracts. He doesn't show up until the final episode, and we have no way of knowing if he'll be relevant later

>>149210228
>you knew there was always going to be that possibility he'd show up as Red Hulk one day.
I'm sorry anon but you're kinda wrong.The Incredible Hulk (the MCU Hulk film with Edward Norton) came out in June 2008. Red Hulk only debuted in January 2008. He is a bad example to use because they had Thunderbolt Ross because he goes back to the original Hulk comics and Red Hulk was only a new addition.

>>149210343
The show doesn't want to do anything except demonstrate to the audience how genius and how black Riri is. Armor Wars would distract from that so that's a no no.

>>149210491
Ross showed up in other MCU movies, though.

>>149210472
>How do we introduce Mephisto... should we have him in WandaVision?
>Execs: no.
>What about Dr Strange?
>Execs: no.
>Okay then.. at a push, what about Agatha All Along, that's got magic.
>Execs: heh no.
>What then? I mean the only show we have got left on the production schedule is Ironheart and that has nothing to do with Mephisto.
>Execs: perfect.

>>149196872 (OP)

Iron Negress stealing and only caring about fame and money what a surprise

>>149210503
That's not the point I was making? You claimed the implication was "they'd become the character they are in the comics". I was just pointing out that Ross was a bad example because Red Hulk was a super recent addition so no one was thinking about him showing up as Red Hulk to a serious degree.

>>149210528
I mean the first Mephisto appearance in Marvel was in Silver Surfer of all places.

>>149210458
>I'm actually going to defend that one
See I can't really defend it. There is a reason why a lot of MCU heroes have gotten rid of certain things like secret identities because a lot of this drama no longer feels like "world outside your window" problem stuff, it feels hokey or contrived. Or even if you do enjoy that stufff a lot of it is cut for time because you can't focus on everything and it is often uninteresting. (The only character I think that has been massively weakened by avoiding their hardship is MCU Spider-Man, but now it seems like they are finally going back to that with the next one.)

Sam should just have money and connections still for a family boat and the loan drama was uninteresting, wasted plot time that would have been better spent elsewhere. (I don't like how streaming shows are two hour screenplays stretched into 6 episodes anyway.)

>>149210022
Mephisto wants to tempt people to corruption. How is forcing them into a contract supposed to advance his goals?

>>149196872 (OP)
I cant believe anyone is still watching MCU shows.

>>149210717
They still had a choice, and perhaps the loophole is Mephisto himself can't force people to sign. Hood appears and spooks them, so they end of signing.

>>149208977
Maybe I've got the wrong end of the stick, but isn't this is quite literally the Elon Musk hyperloop in Vegas? Or at least one of the original proposals for it, before it became... whatever it is now. A tunnel to a convention centre that you can only use teslas on, I think?

>>149199968
>That single invention would immediately solve clean energy for the entire world if made publicly available.
wasn't that already accomplished by Stark's big arc reactor that powered the entirety of NYC as its first proof of concept trial?

>>149210850
I'm not aware of whatever Elon has in production, but here's a shot from the trailer. It looks about the same thing, only in the show its far more complex.

There's a sequence where she drops Slug's virus flash drive because NATALIE scares Riri mid job when popping up on the HUD, and they have to improvise by having Riri patch into a car before it finishes docking sequence and crushes her from above

Captain America and Thunderbolts both had extensive reshoots and were pushed back from their original release dates. Captain America was meh but ignored and Thunderbolts was okay and also ignored.

Ironheart is the last of the "we greenlit so many shows for Disney+ without thinking" strategy. And so far it is meh. (I still think Echo is the worst of these shows.)

Fantastic Four looks to be on par with Cap/Thunderbolts meh or okay and probably forgotten about.

I can only see Avengers now being their true course correction and the problem is that it is overstuffed with all these literally whos that no one cares about but then I think the gimmick and it being an Avengers movie might still mean it hits a high number. But if that happens we get more slop.

>>149201254
They already did the "doesn't have Stark's privileges" story with The Vulture

Can we start taking about how much ASS, N.A.T.A.L.I.E has like damn. In episode 1 or 2 she's just standing normally, the curves on that.

>>149210915
How does an AI have a conversation with Riri's mom through a living room projector that doesn't have a camera, microphone, and is facing the wrong way? Also we don't talk about the highly concerning implications of an AI that can just leave the suit, integrate with home wifi, and does whatever the fuck it wants.

Riri didn't make an AI, she made a sentient virus

>>149210543
It's a fair point, I suppose, but the example holds up just fine in context. They've got this known, named character. What can they do with him? In the comics he just became Red Hulk. Are they going to do that? Will they adapt that arc? They're haphazardly jumping forward by leaps and bounds through the rest of the comic plotlines, so why not?

When they namedrop some z-lister characters who have singular gimmicks, the implication is that either the creator thinks that they'll get to some point where they get to transform that character into their comic version, or more realistically, that they just haphazardly lifted a bunch of names from the Iron Man rogues gallery because lazily referencing obscure comic shit is the closest thing to pretending to care about comic book shit that any of these writers will ever do.

>>149210850
>>149210893
Yeah that's 100% Elon's retarded death trap tunnels, except actually safer since there's an actual evacuation route below the rails and you can get out of the car if it starts to burn. Which he basically just made to get some data from his tunnel boring company that he thinks he'll be able to use on Mars and to fuck over the state's plans to build a high speed rail system by promising the right (retarded) politicians that his system of car tunnels would be better and cheaper than trains, because he's got plans for everyone using self-driving Tesla taxis instead of having subways and trains. If they made that part explicit in the story then it would be a justifiable Robin Hood situation.

>>149209411
>>149209424
That's because they view it as blasphemy to have a woman or minority be wrong about something or need to grow as a person.

>>149210975
>They're haphazardly jumping forward by leaps and bounds through the rest of the comic plotlines, so why not?
Skipping over decades of shit just to go to modern stuff is arguably one of the reasons the modern MCU is bad because no one cares about Young Avengers characters being set up in shows or movies. They bore people and have little to no good stories to base anything on.

>When they namedrop some z-lister characters
Name dropped z-lister characters almost always amount to nothing and the people that claim to care about those characters have often not even read any of those stories but like to claim some ownership so they can get angry they were misused. Adaptations shit on things, it is nothing new. Many of them were forgettable mooks anyway in comics, a disposable form of entertainment with a short creative turn around. The name is just a wink wink for the sake of an easter egg or reference so someone on a clickbait site can make a list about top 10 easter eggs in Ironheart. It doesn't really matter.

The poor quality of the storytelling does matter.

>>149209424
>Compare to OG Iron Man
How is it that the first fucking movie in this franchise that refuses to die holds up better than at least half the shit that's come out after it?

>>149209477
It's truth in television that entertainment people in Los Angeles think they're the center of the world and that everywhere is either exactly like them or that it's a shameful a d temporary injustice that other places are different than where they are and/or hold different morals. I remember the first time I went there meeting someone who was simply dumbfounded that Nipsey Hustle wasn't considered a modern day Saint and Martyr nationwide or that it wasn't an undisputed fact that Cardi B was America's sweetheart.

Another circlejerk racist thread with bitch ass niggas posting back and forth.

>>149211083
Iron Man:
>Strong characterisation from a charismatic actor (whether or not if fits the comics is debatable, it was at least a character)
>Humour but not overpowering
>Actual stakes and emotional moments
>Forgettable plot/villains

I always give this example:
>Obidiah steals Tony's arc reactor, he has to crawl to the lab to get the spare that Pepper put in a box for him, emotional moment, little joke at the end as the robot arm he has insulted all film hands it to him
Real stakes (he could die) + emotional call back (Pepper gave him the thing) and a little joke (robot arm).

Compare that to Thor: Love and Thunder:
>Weird demons have just invaded New Asgard and stolen the children and as Thor is going to leave he makes a weird joke about former dark times when they ate kids or something.
So: stakes are treated as a joke (children are kidnapped but hey remember when we ate them?) with no emotion to the situation just to make a tonally weird joke.

Iron Man gave them a basic formula which they have forgotten about.

>>149211096
bait this obvious

>>149209424
>A similar pattern for Riri would be her
The first twenty minutes of that show is exhausting. She is kicked out of MIT and we get it hammered home that she doesn't have enough resources, all to keep shitting on Tony Stark, who contextually in this universe helped save half the universe. All the while having allusions to her dead step dad and friend or something?

It is messy and hammering shit in your head rather than letting a narrative breath with an actual point like your example gives, some karmic punishment or a plot or growth or a point.

It is fucking tiring screenwriting. The debates over diversity are often just window dressing to this true problem: people just can't write a simple plot with a point. Stop demanding I care about someone with cheap tricks hammering stupid points home and make me care by endearing the character to the audience via some lesson or point.

>>149211181
The irony is that Tony didn’t make the arc reactor with his endless resources. He did it in a fucking cave along with the first suit. And even then it ended up nearly killing him. Imagine not watching the film that kicked off all the bullshit in your cinematic universe. Like how fucking retarded and butter does someone have to be to make something like this?

>>149211258
TONY STARK WAS ABLE TO BUILD THIS IN A CAVE... WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS

https://youtu.be/WJngbyHgS8E

>>149197599
>Tony Stark took special measures to avoid thus why its privatized in the first place
falls apart after avengers 2. Tony realizes that hoarding this tech leads to countless dead and PTSD apparently.

>>149211319
That scene genuinely just depressed me because it is miles above what the MCU is doing now and it is one small scene of a villain shouting at someone

>>149211258
Because.. mumble mumble, privilege or something.

People would actually like Ironheart if she was a full on Tony Stark fan girl in this.

>>149197785
What PS2 game is this?

>Dear White Men of Reddit It is okay if you're not the target demographic of Ironheart. Really.
This post is golden

>>149197599
Honestly the worst part is that she’s a lame and annoying criminal
I would happily watch a show that was about the badass rise and fall of an unrepentant evil villain I can say is literally me (such as the Penguin)
However Riri is lame and gay and half which is the worse thing a character can be

>>149210829
>so they end of signing.
Signing what, in this case?

>>149210992
No its just fuck rich people and they MIGHT bulldoze some shitty projects above it

>>149211319
Such a good scene. He's still one of my favorite villains. Wish he didn't die.

>>149197599
wtf i love ironheart now

>>149211096
Anon this show is the most racist thing to come out in years

>>149196872 (OP)
Yeah, kinda a problem with Riri in general.

>>149211375
Their souls? Control over the companies? I dont know. Hood sells it as his gang becoming anonymous investors that have majority share but that shit doesn't make any sense so I'm assuming Mephisto is just getting everything in the end.

>>149211388
Iron Monger's suit is so fucking cool

>>149211061
Is this 'they' in the roon with you right now? Is that why you're using their pronouns?

>>149211155
Got you mad enough to reply though. So there's truth to white people's ego being more fragile than thin glass.

>>149203518
>doesnt sound too bad in principle
>still wont watch it.
You take forever to say nothing.

>>149207605
>>149207707
>>149207538
One of the thing I hate about modern hero slop, beside the race swap, is that every hero or villain is just some guy wearing casual clothing

>using this show to establish AI recreation of human minds, so they can bring Tony Stark black

>>149211555
It's the CW effect, only they had the excuse of a limited budget

>>149204761
So having them sign bullshit contracts that siphon all their money to you (not the community, YOU!) so that you can start a girls school to launder money through and an underground fight club is a good thing. Stand up so I can hear you talking out of your ass.

>>149211566
>bring Tony Stark black

>>149211567
Yeah and they did this shit for 2 decades with Supernatural
>OMG A DEMON!
>its just some normal human with black eye
>OMG ITS X CREATURE
>its just some normal human with a different color eye contact

>>149211566
>they can bring Tony Stark black

>>149205069
Man if you tolerated it up to that point, you are beyond salvation. I bet you wouldnt jump out of the car until after it was careening off the cliff you stupid mother fucker.

>>149205785
>.72647736385729 MouseBucks have been deposited into your account.

>>149211602
The worst one was Dragons and The Phoenix

>>149205894
There's a word for that anon, its called sociopathy. Its what guys in the Schutzstaffel and Unit 731 had.

>>149206429

>>149206733
I bet your Twitter seaches are REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAL interesting.

>>149210879
It would have, except the the proof of concept was a failure because they couldn't scale it right or whatever and it was just a publicity stunt, and then with small one Tony came up with they never made it available to anyone except Tony ostensibly because he was worried it would be weaponized, and then since Iron Man 2 it's literally never been brought up again.

A perfect battery which we have to just assume Riri has invented here, would just make shit like solar power the best possible choice for pretty much everything overnight because it completely solves the technology's number one drawback. There's a reason battery technology startups are a huge industry right now in the real world with everyone trying desperately to invent the next big jump in energy storage.

>>149211456
>mindbroken retard forgot that pluralization is a thing

>>149208433
Its easy anon. Its because they are disingenous faggots.

>>149210343
IIRC some Anon pointed out that between the awkward schizophrenia around Spider-Man where they doubled back at the exact last moment on the Stark Jr. Shit, wasting the Mandarin in Shang Chi, and everything else they've just so irrevocably fucked using any Iron Man plots or villains at all at this point in any worthwhile form, and I kinda agree with that assessment at this point.

>>149211603
>>149211599
Tropic Thundermind

>>149203518
>The problem is that we've already had the "selfish genius with an ego that acts erratically but is the good guy" story.
No, the problem is that when Tony did it, he was portrayed as being IN THE FUCKING WRONG. It was very clearly shown as him being a fuckup who needed to change, that was the entire plot.

Another thing I forgot to illustrate how shitty Riri is
>Stepdad is a mechanic who loved a particular car
>As said before he and Riri's friend get shot in a driveby
>Riri doesn't keep the shop going as a means of earning cash legitimately or get parts, which would get her what she would want eventually while also honoring her father figure
>She sold his fucking car

>>149197599
>>149211944
I could not write a character this morally deplorable even if I tried
I'm almost sad this will come and go with a wet fart like everything else the MCU has done lately. this may be one of the few times a hatewatch is justified.

>>149205115
It helps that Tony genuinely cares about other people and that he goes through a lot of trouble both mentally and physically through his iron man adventures.

>>149198102
>Sam "Boo Hoo I'm so opressed don't call the terrorists terrorists" Blacktan america
>Good
whoever told you that is either a liar, a retard, or both

>>149210528
>should we have him in WandaVision
I never understood how there was a large segment of people genuinely pissed off that a show about Scarlet Witch and the Vision turned out to actually be about its titular characters.

>>149212244
>>Sam "Boo Hoo I'm so opressed don't call the terrorists terrorists" Blacktan america
>Sam "Boo Hoo
>SamBo
>sambo

>>149212261
Apparently it was a "reasonable expectation" that a show about Scarlet Witch and Vision actually just be a vehicle to introduce the X-Men, mutants, and Magneto.

Sometimes it's not enough for a fandom to just constantly get adaptations, merch, etc. Sometimes you're so entitled and selfish that you resent the idea of anyone else having anything at all, there should just be the thing you like, and nothing else.

Even setting them aside, the mystery plot of WandaVision led to out of control speculation about characters who could be introduced in the show, and instead of enjoying (or not) the show on it's own merits, we end up with people complaining years later because they read a fan-theory about Mephisto or Reed Richards showing up and it didn't happen.

>>149212261
>>149212371
Sidebar: I'm not upset about Wanda's psychotic episode because I'm not a compromised fanboy/girl and acknowledge the poor women has been through A LOT. Does this justify her actions? Hell no, but I understand why she became a nutjob given everything she lost. And you know the beauty of it? Unlike Riri, Marvel didn't pretend Wanda in MoM was misunderstood or a good person

>>149212396
MoM was just an absolutely retarded thing to do to one of their most popular female characters, though. Redemption arc was the obvious next step (at least to anyone who wasn't intentionally misrepresenting the events of WandaVision to attribute deliberate malicious intent to her actions, and those guys do seem to be everywhere online, with the exact same script every time, like it really is the same few guys EVERYWHERE), but they went full villain instead because that was always Feige's plan for her, he just HAD to adapt the comic stories he'd heard of, without actually comprehending how bad they are. The MCU's subsequent decline into failure and irrelevance has been earned and deserved.

>>149212483
>but they went full villain instead because that was always Feige's plan for her, he just HAD to adapt the comic stories he'd heard of, without actually comprehending how bad they are.
This explains wonder man show.

>>149211986
>could not write a character this morally deplorable even if I tried
You cant write a pedophile rapist?

>>149212556
Is that what the wagon kid is for?

>>149212537
I don't even know why they're making a show about a character where they can't even adapt 99% of his solo material because of what the writer did, and they won't dare adapt his origin of getting superpowers from a Nazi war criminal either.

>>149212483
Its weird considering how little the MCU actually adapts from the comics. Lately it always feels like the writers and directors have a abject disdain for the source material. They didn't even want writers who actually read a single marvel comic.

>>149212879
>Lately it always feels like the writers and directors have a abject disdain for the source material.
To be fair, for the specific subject matter of Wanda and Vision, anyone who doesn't have abject disdain for most of the source material from late 1988 onwards isn't doing it right.

There's a world of difference between the guy making Thor movies acting like everything in the source material is entirely garbage, and characters who've been abused by the comics so much that a huge amount of the comic material really does suck that bad because it's all about ruining them, because one star artist hated them, one editor wanted to keep them apart, and people wanted to just use Wanda as a plot device for event stories. These aren't things that deserve a faithful adaptation.

>>149212620
Wonder Man shilling is tied in a meta way to Wanda's character assassination, and they pretty much used every non-mutant of name.

>>149210594
The only problem with the loan scene is that it wasn't an intro to a wider look at the problems facing the world following the Unsnap. The MCU has completely underplayed the issues facing the world as a result of its own plot points despite an entire series ostensibly about that. Five years ago the world arbitrarily lost half its consumers, labor force, and logistics simultaneous to functionally doubling its money supply only for five years later face an immediate doubling of demand for literally everything and a liquidity crunch. They would literally be facing an inflation and deflation crisis at the same time.

>>149210948
AI in the MCU has always been depicted that way. Even JARVIS was capable of self-directed action of his own motivation.

>>149211686
Arc reactor tech is handwave because it's blatantly fusion power and the fact that the MCU got fusion tech work back in the 80s at the latest would be a massive shift even if its output was only enough to run a single building. Then the fact that in twenty five years the tech was miniaturized and efficient enough that self-contained reactor the size of a shoebox was able to power a skyscraper for an entire year without needing service means that even Riri's miracle battery would look like small potatoes. I get that you're not supposed to think about it, but the MCU should at the bare minimum should be transitioning to fully fusion energy supply.

>>149213063
>AI in the MCU has always been depicted that way. Even JARVIS was capable of self-directed action of his own motivation.
Actually no, JARVIS was very much dependent on human command. There were things he did automatically but that's basically after repeated interaction with people and predicting their wants. He wasn't a true independent AI like Ultron

>>149212991
>Wonder Man shilling is tied in a meta way to Wanda's character assassination
In the comics, this is very true, but hopefully they stay true to their word about him being contained within his show.

The comics spent decades trying to repeatedly make Wanda/Wonder Man happen, and only succeeded in making her fans hate him, so it's absolutely heartbreaking to see comics casuals reacting to the announcement of his show by speculating that the MCU will make them a couple, like once again, these people have heard of a comics story, but don't get that it's unpopular.

>>149197599
Isn’t Tony stark like a raging narcissist alcoholic war criminal? Marvel heroes have never really been squeaky clean, which is why Cap stands out in particular

>>149211944
>setup for a genuinely raw emotional moment where Riri and her mom have to sell off a tangible reminder of their dead loved ones to make ends meet
>setup for showing that Riri, in spite of her engineering aptitude, has zero aptitude for dealing with people using a heavily interaction based business as a medium
>setup for explaining why Riri is so obsessed with others' perception of her because she treats being unable to simultaneously support her family running a small business and attending early college as a teenager as a highly visible personal failing rather than everyone treating it as an unfortunate circumstance that no one could have pulled off
Fuck, just have the car in the background the entire season with Riri obviously displacing a lot of emotions into keeping it as this shrine to her dead dad, then at the main dramatic peak when the villain has kicked her ass and destroyed her fancy suit you have the emotionally charged flashback where he dad tells her she can't get overly attached to objects because life is about growing, changing, and moving forward. Then we get engineering montage and at the climax Riri shows up having turned the car into a V-8 powered wearable sledgehammer and kicks the villain's ass.

>>149212879
>>149212969
You guys are overlooking a major aspect regarding the MCU's treatment of Wanda; Feige is an X-Men fan. He even fought to have Beast say "Oh my stars and garters" in X3, you don't go to bat for something that minor without being attached to the property. And within the X-Men fandom, Wanda only exists to be either a plot device or an accessory to other characters.

>>149213191
Dumbass. My god do you people here yourselves, or understand character arcs?

>>149211944
The rest didn't really get me but taking the post as presented at face value (where there isn't some context to how selling the car is portrayed) that's 'orrible, lmao

>>149211401
I think that one episode of Daredevil: Born Again beats it.
Feels like one of those shitposts written by somebody who thinks "Nigger Owner's Manual" is peak comedy.

>>149213653
>here
Nigga, learn to English.

>>149196872 (OP)
>Yfw the super zentai ironheart porno is a better story and better character than marvels theft of the character
Watch the jav, I'm entirely serious. It parodies a chunk of iron man II but the girl with ironman suit being secretly hunted by the government for the technology would be a very good plot for a movie in the "iron spider" vein of some rando being gifted an Ironman suit with arc reactor tech there for the taking.

Make her Tony's hapa daughter from before meeting pepper, keep the jav pornstar part as the starcrossed part of her origin, play up the awkwardness being Tony's secret daughter and having an icy relationship with his "real" family, something something dehumanization of pornography industry, it writes itself. Imposter syndrome is the easiest hook for an engaging new super hero while writing in the shadow of the mainline character they're leaching readers off.

>>149196872 (OP)
In her solo series when Eve Ewing wrote it she came across as an arrogant autist who could have easily fallen into villainy in a way that was clearly intentional. That's actually an interesting character so I assume on the show it's unintentional.

>>149197599
Really I think Riri has potential to be a good character. Someone who's so smart that they're unbelievably arrogant and so obsessed with building shit that they're autistic and lack connections with people leading them to make rash decisions on the basis of misguided rationality which also allows those more socially adept to take advantage of her and she's only saved from being a villain because her frame of reference is a hero and that and her autism Ironchu armor means she decides to be a hero isn't really inherently bad. Kind of like what if Spider-Man stepped in before Shocker or Vulture or whoever turned to crime.

But being written largely by shitty, incompetent writers means that concept can't actually be explored in an interesting way.

>>149200727
Riri is just the regular Tv Genius, that treats science as magic, they just poof science out of their ass but clearly don't understand it.
The fairy odd parents don't know how things work, they just poof it into existance so they get to act like morons around those things.
Riri clearly doesnt know what she is doing she simply poofs things into existance and the show has to pretend that she knows how things work despite showing otherwise

>>149210428
>"Falcon couldn't get a bank loan" plotline.
army guys are often financially fucked over, might have bought whatever sports car was big for half his pay at 19 then realised insurance under 26 would take the other half and leave him without a food or gas budget then fucked his credit rating up in the process.
Every army base town in america is just shysters scamming 19 year olds, no way does he have a good credit score.

>>149197599
Most realistic character Marvel's put out in a while.

>>149213902
>Sam is underwater on a car loan for a Camaro he totaled 6 weeks after he bought it, has his wages garnished for alimony to his stripper ex-wife who makes more money than he does, and a payday loan for an admittedly sick full sleeve tattoo of a tiger

#justairforcethings

>>149196872 (OP)
Athey cancelled the war machine movie for this shit

>>149197599
There's no way a real human with a functioning brain looked at this premise and said it looked good

>George Droyd is real

>>149212371
>Even setting them aside, the mystery plot of WandaVision led to out of control speculation about characters who could be introduced
>>149212396
>Sidebar: I'm not upset about Wanda's psychotic episode
I find this ironic. Fanboy speculation is bad because people speculate about which character will show up. And yet Wanda's psychotic break is basically a result of fanboy speculation about when an infamous plotline would occur.

Wanda had a long history in comics. But Byrne thought it was dumb she was in a relationship with Vision so made him robotic again and their kids demons. Then others fixed her again. Bendis, liking Bryne, decided to just make her crazy and have a full on breakdown. And since then, Wanda has just become breakdown lady. Because people's perception of a character is based on a thin slither of what they've read and controversial and infamous things are recommended more than good stuff and recommended lists get filled with that material.

You criticise fan speculation but having Wanda have a psychotic episode is rewarding the same fanboy speculation because fanboys constantly mention Avengers Disassembled and House of M. Because people aren't talking about good stories but what is infamous and well known.

If you're confused by what I'm saying, talking Magneto etc is what someone knows about Wanda in comics even if it's been retconned so they repeat it over and over again. Wanda had a fine arc in WandaVision but repeating her going crazy in MoM is just rewarding those fanboys speculating about when this or that connection, story of character will appear.

>>149214130
It wasn't going to be a movie it was going to be an Armour Wars Disney show

>>149214506
I will never understand Feige's fascination with shitty 2000s stories.

>>149214760
I just explained that fascination to you. A character is only made up of the same few stories that fanboys mention, even if those stories are bad. Infamous = good to people. Creators are influenced by the stories they read or know of and many of them know of the 2000s stories. The Google metrics make producers think people are interested in them. They are not thinking what will make a good story in keeping with what has happened. Feige thinks recent relevancy (whether 2000s stories or 2010s Young Avengers characters) will some how build hype even though that semi more recent stuff is not hyped but hollow.

>>149196872 (OP)
I'd ship her with Asakura. I think they'd get along great as a couple. A thief AND a violent criminal with a lust for blood? I bet they would have the best honeymoon.

>>149213875
Unironically this is how Ewing wrote her during her run but it's pretty obvious that the show is based off Bendis's version where Riri is just a piece of shit and never really faces the consequences of her actions

>>149213875
>Really I think Riri has potential to be a good character.
No offense but I hate when people say this shit because anyone could have "potential" in the hands of a good creator. It's a meaningless turn of phrase when it could apply to so many things.

The truth is that the climate dictates that there is no potential to be found. Legacy heroes, particularly from the 2010s diversity push, were cynically made because creators were thinking about stuff like MCU synergy. As such they attract specific people who will always drag them down. And they'll always be reinvented to an extreme degree every run (just look at Ms Marvel being killed off and changed to a mutant). Riri has been around since 2016 and that's a long ass time and there is not one great story there that I would recommend to people. It's fine to awful all the way down.

I've asked this before, I'll ask again.
What kind of Epstein-tier blackmail material does Bendis have on Marvel/DC execs? His shitty stories and OCs keep getting adapted and it's terrible every time.
>Spiderverse films were good
Horribly overrated slop
>Jessica Jones was good
Lol. Lmao.

>>149215250
Bendis is by all accounts a very friendly and professional person, doesn't argue with editorial dictates, gets along well with artists, turns his shit in on time, is a decent editor himself, and doesn't start fights with readers. Even long-term comic readers don't really understand that the majority of people working the creative side of comics are deeply unprofessional and unpleasant people and that behavior considered the minimum acceptable in all other industries is considered god-tier in comics.

>>149215408
I know nobody watched Naomi and it's arguably worse than Ironheart because it's literally several episodes of
>Naomi pulls a power out of her ass and wins with ease against whatever challenge she's facing
>everybody sucks Naomi's figurative dick telling her how cool and smart she is
>rinse repeat
The fact that this of all things got adapted into a show is just baffling to me.
I can understand Miles at least. He has ties to a top dog superhero.
I can understand House of M/Disassembled. There's enough casuals clamoring shit like that for Bendis to easily sell this.
How nobody at any point looked at Naomi and thought that this is not really a character you could or should adapt, is beyond me.

A lot of writers have preference bias where they write characters doing objectively bad things, for objectively bad reasons, but with a tone that acts like they’re in the right because the writers like them and either don’t think through the implications or the people being hurt are the “right kind of people” so they don’t count as humans or whatever

Same way Wandavision acted like the government dude was evil for wanting to stop Wanda mind controlling a whole town and that Wanda was the hero for not doing even more damage than she already was

>>149215485
>Same way Wandavision acted like the government dude was evil for wanting to stop Wanda mind controlling a whole town
Anon, did you even watch the show? The government dude intentionally put Wanda into a situation designed to emotionally break her, setting off everything that happened, did it so he could frame her for stealing Vision's remains, and tried to have her killed to cover up that he had illegally revived Vision as a mindwiped, brainwashed weapon.

I swear that too many guys watching that show latched onto him as "the only white male character and reeeee Vision doesn't count" and got anally annihilated when Obvious Villain turned out to be an Obvious Villain.

Wanda's narrative in the actual show, and not the version of the show that exists in the heads of outrage grifters who were paying more attention to their phones, is that she loses control of a power she doesn't even know she has, doesn't know she's hurting people, and is too lost in a comfortable fantasy to listen to anyone trying to break through to her, too far in denial, and too hurt by reality to want to return. It's a show about how grief can destroy you and everyone around you if you can't deal with it properly, and these pseuds keep pretending she intentionally enslaved and tortured a town and needs to be chained up and eternally tortured for it instead of the resolution being that she's finally forced to realize what she's doing, puts an end to it, even at the cost of losing her new family, (which the show explicitly states are alive, no matter how much retards argue their headcanon is right and the show is wrong), and puts herself into self-imposed exile from the world.

>>149215578
I'm with you except for two points. While the government guy is obviously not a good person, any role he played in Wanda creating the Hex is accidental and claiming it was all an elaborate scheme to frame and murder Wanda is a massive stretch. Secondly, making a concrete statement on whether or not Vision and the kids are alive goes directly against the Vision versus Vision scene. Personally, I feel that Hex Vision and the kids are fairly textbook examples of tulpas.

>>149215250
Bendis actually sold well for quite some time and while people in online bubbles bitch about him, some people like him and think he's good. People are just blind and in their bubbles. (Just to be clear I'm not a Bendis fan.) Tom Brevoort the Marvel editor, literally said anger sells. He said that Bendis Avengers would be bitched about every week but have strong numbers whilst a so called fan favourite series would have weak numbers.

Marvel's while 2000s policy was low key edgy, big events, blockbuster trash to create train wrecks to rule people up in infamous story telling not good storytelling they made sense and the numbers backed them up.

Only over time that created a sense of apathy. Apathy kills things more than anger. Anger is again very loud online and seems all encompassing but the truth is apathy won out.

So yeah, a bunch of people do like his books and online fandoms are not the mountain of opinion but his gimmicks became old hat.

>>149215485
>A lot of writers have preference bias where they write characters doing objectively bad things, for objectively bad reasons, but with a tone that acts like they’re in the right because the writers like them and either don’t think through the implications or the people being hurt are the “right kind of people” so they don’t count as humans or whatever
It is simple: they are bad writers.

You've gone from journeymen writers cutting their teeth in various mediums and publications, people who read a lot of fiction. To the same few college educated dumb dumbs whose experience comes from writing online and who only read the same few things. It's like a spiral downwards where people who were inspired by a lot of fiction and who wrote a lot have become people parodying a parody and writing little.

I'm a slop fiction author whisperer. I've read some creators blogsnand social media posts to find what their stated aims or goals were in a story and for me it isn't even about disagreeing with their goals and aims, just that they don't know how to present their points to an audience in a coherent manner and when people react angrily, often about the superficial manners, all the can do is double down. In some ways fans will never be fully pleased and I get why creators react angrily to them. But in other ways their storytelling is just bad because they don't know how to write a character or tell a story in a way people can get. They have to TELL you rather than show you. And normal everyday people react to "tell not show" storytelling as patronising.

Seriously people talk about politics and diverse casting but if Riri actually had a normal arc far less people would be mad.

>>149211763
It was the same Person/You.

>>149213063
>They would literally be facing an inflation and deflation crisis at the same time.
I might not be a economists but I believe those cancel out

>>149211155
>bait
Yeah sure. Suck each other's dicks more with this garbage.

>>149211401
>>149213718
>Cries about racism
>Immediately exposes themselves as racists
Every single time.

>>149196872 (OP)
Pretty accurate black woman writing tho, what's the problem?

>>149197599
>Gets extra cash by selling completed tests/essays/finished projects to other students looking for a free pass, so it undermines the entire legitimacy of the school and breeds a whole graduated class of unqualified frauds accepting jobs they can't do
So she's like ChatGPT handing out diplomas

>>149202291
right as in correct or right as in right-wing?

>>149213875
>Someone who's so smart that they're unbelievably arrogant and so obsessed with building shit that they're autistic and lack connections with people leading them to make rash decisions on the basis of misguided rationality which also allows those more socially adept to take advantage of her and she's only saved from being a villain because her frame of reference is a hero and that and her autism Ironchu armor means she decides to be a hero isn't really inherently bad.
Yeah something like that could be interesting, but instead we get
>le street smart genius black girl who dindu nuffin and wants to eat the rich

>Wandafag is here
You're never escaping Magneto and House of M. The best thing for an adaptation to do is tackle that shit straight onward and try to make it good, rather than hiding from it under the blanket.
As for Mephisto. People want their Not!Satan who cucked Spidey, made a cool flaming skeleton man and has beef with Doom, nobody gives a shit about Chthon and/or anyone else like Satannish/Zom/Seth/D'Spayre/etc,

>>149199294
>Mephisto hands over a paper for Riri to sign
>It's a #StopKillingVideogames paper
I KNEEL!

149216085
Shut the fuck up, you whiny retard.

>>149197599
Nigs are criminal vermin with no redeeming qualities. Makes sense that a nig """super hero""" would reflect that.

>>149213106
Yes, since they are pulling from "bury Wanda" comics, they are also pulling from "push Wonder Man" ones.

>>149197985
To be fair, they do kind of touch on this just a bit, but its not really expanded upon.

NATALIE only remembers closing her eyes during the shooting, and there's bits and pieces missing of her memory which makes sense because it's essentially Riri's amalgamation of memories that created her. Riri does keep trying to push her away, and even stops herself when recalling a memory by saying "...you - my Natalie" which kind of pisses off NATALIE.

Riri's mom immediately asks if she can make a AI of her dead step father too which is kind of funny.

there's an interesting story there but its hard to say if they'll actually do anything with it.

>>149197402
I feel like your omitting something in order to paint your picture here. All this sounds similar to a hero story where the protag: starts out incredibly selfish; doing things for fame/money; joins a bad organization; AND THEN we're missing the then (which is usually where they change their ways and turn into a hero).

Spiderman is an example of a selfish teen using his own powers for his own gain until his uncle died.

Since this is a tv series they're extending the before hero segment a bit more.

>Miles is accepted
>But not Riri
Nice double standard

>>149209952
I gave it the old MIT try

>>149214506
>And since then, Wanda has just become breakdown lady.
Others actually fixed her again, then bendis ignored again and here's the shitshow we're in.

>>149216926
It should be Garfield Spider-Man, because he'd be fucking amazed at her knowing how batteries work after his own "research" in electricity-proofing his webshooters by simply trying to hook them up to larger and larger batteries and then mains powers.

>>149216843
Nobody "accepted" Miles. Marvel just kept pushing him so hard that everyone just sort of gave up. Literally the only thing he was in that anyone liked was Into The Spiderverse.

>>149215693
Wanda creating the Hex is an accidental consequence of his actions, but getting Wanda into an unstable state where he can easily frame her for a crime and make it sound plausible, so he can then justify having her killed in the cover up IS his plan, things just escalated way beyond anything he expected, because nobody knew she was capable of creating the Hex, not even Wanda herself.

And when the show goes out of it's way to state that Wanda had created life, even if those lives could only survive within the Hex, we shouldn't be arguing against the show's own canon with "I feel" or "I think".

>>149196872 (OP)
Why it's okay for ant-man to start as a criminal but not ironheart?

>>149200433
Not at all. But Marvel's idea of a strong female character is an unfeeling sociopath.

>>149216988
>Spiderverse
I keep hearing people say "Miles was good in those movies" but I'm calling bullshit on that one.
He's the same vanilla dull character with zero charisma he's in the comics. Maybe slightly better, but not to the degree of saying that he's actually a good character. Without key-jingling (aka other Spider-characters) he'd be nothing.

>>149212261
Nothing I said indicates I was pissed off that Scarlet Witch and Vision was about those characters. And people who were upset about that shit are idiots.

What I more meant was, there was better more appropriate places to have that villain. For some fucking reason Ironheart is getting both magic and technology in this series to make her distinct from Tony Stark.

>>149217063
I think the crucial part is that Ant-Man is kind of a retard who couldn't do better than crime until given the job of putting on a suit and fighting aliens. This chick is supposed to be an MIT-level genius in the MCU, where that always means you can invent supertech of some sort, who doesn't get a high-paying job to fund her private research because... She's black?

>>149217081
That's the rub. Spider-Verse is a good movie, so it has the side effect of making people believe that Miles is a good character.

>>149217094
>Spider-Verse is a good movie
Disagree. It's a very mediocre movie but it's enough to distract ADHD zoomers so they think it's good.

>>149197599
oh my god you bigot she is a black woman so 100% justified

>>149216962
That's a good point. Bendis seemed to have just quit reading West Coast Avengers when Byrne left the book mid-story, and didn't seem to understand that Byrne's storyline about Wanda going crazy had been resolved literally months after Byrne left. He really seemed to think it was some unresolved plot he was finally revisiting, and nobody in editorial educated him.

>>149217126
>and nobody in editorial educated him
I can't think of a more useless job than being a Marvel editor. They never do what they're actually supposed to do.

>>149217126
It is bendis, he has a habit of shitting on a character to the point permanent damage.
See what he did to Saturn girl over Legion.

>>149216163
>Wandafag is here
There's at least 3 of us here.

>You're never escaping Magneto and House of M. The best thing for an adaptation to do is tackle that shit straight onward and try to make it good
>You can't escape ruining Wanda, the best thing to do is just ruin her quickly because the nerds expect it
When normie reactions to the MCU clearly showed that people liked her, doing stuff that's going to ruin her just because nerds have heard of it and won't shut up about it is a retarded decision.

The same nerds have heard of Secret Empire, but Disney didn't ruin Captain America so they could adapt that. They've heard of Rogue stealing Carol's powers, some have heard about Carol having sex with her son, too, but Disney wouldn't adapt those stories just because you've heard of them. They've heard of OMD, some have heard of The Crossing. They wouldn't adapt those stories just because they're known and infamous.

The argument that Wanda has to be the one and only exception, where the bad, character-wrecking moments NEED to be adapted because people online have heard about them is really disingenuous.

>As for Mephisto. People want their Not!Satan who cucked Spidey,
Jesus, anon. Anybody who actually WANTS that is a damn psychopath. They may not even be human. Call an exorcist.

>>149217209
>They've heard of OMD
They kind of did with the mass memory wipe.

>Secret Empire.
This is because it was snippet at the bulb.
Once it spilled out, disney had to course correct it.

>>149217301
>snippet at the bulb
A true blessing in the sky.

>>149217301
>They kind of did with the mass memory wipe.
That's not the thing everyone knows about that story though, it's not the thing it's infamous for. They'd never actually adapt the deal with the Devil.

>Once it spilled out, disney had to course correct it.
If your argument is "they had the sense course-correct on those comics mid-story", they should have also had the sense not to adapt other stories that wrecked characters, no matter how much people had heard of them.

I didn't watch this shitshow, but here I was thinking they were going to do the typical black mary sue angle and they took it even further than I ever imagined. It's like all stories out of california is mary sue hell.

>>149217209
It's especially bad because they could either have used the whole multiverse angle to have an Evil Wanda searching for her kids, or simply allowed MCU Wanda to have a breakdown that didn't hurt anyone except herself. Just make Wandavision something that happened to her and the reanimated body of Vision while she's being manipulated by Agatha and Chton and then she faces reality by the end, instead of it being her controlling a bunch of random people in that town and then becoming a murderous villain in the next movie.

The defining part of Wanda's character for normies isn't that she becomes a villain but that she has a breakdown. So just adapt the breakdown part but change it to just be a tragic moment for her, not a way to make her a villain on the flip of a dime. Then give her further stories where she brings Vision back not through the shortcut of delusional magic but through forming new bonds with White Vision that allows him to reconnect with his old self's memories and then having kids together because he's got all the parts necessary, baby. Make it a statement about how traumatic brain injuries require you to take the long road to recovery because there are no shortcuts.

>>149200433
Depends on what you mean with "nice".

>>149217081
>I keep hearing people say "Miles was good in those movies" but I'm calling bullshit on that one.
>He's the same vanilla dull character with zero charisma he's in the comics
In the comics Peter wasn't in High School very long. He graduated in like issue #28, which was still part of Ditko's run. He graduated college in like issue #185. A lot of those letter pages are really sort of late teens, college age type people writing in and appreciating early Marvel. Even adaptations he isn't in High School very long, if at all: Spider-Man TAS he is in college, Raimi movies he leaves High School early in the film and Amazing Spider-Man he graduates at the start of the second film.

But for some reason a big part of the audience think Spider-Man = High Schooler. A different example I would give is how in Star Trek people think Kirk = sex crazed maniac when in actuality, in TOS and the movies he is a level headed guy. For some reason though Abrams decided to have reboot Kirk fuck an Orion green woman because of this skewed perception.

Ultimately Spider-Man by Bendis was literally High School Peter for the whole run (I don't think he ever graduated but I may be forgetting, please correct me if I am). And then MCU Peter has him in High School for three movies!

What has this rant got to do with Miles? Miles is just "we need young High School age Peter again". Miles is not special, everything he has is a copy of a copy. He just exists because people have got it in their head that Peter MUST be in High School even though he has been out of High School since June 1965.

It is really telling that the new Ultimate Spider-Man by Hickman IS successful because Amazing Spider-Man with the Paul-cuck saga offends people so much that Middle Age Peter with a family looks amazingly fresh. Miles is just young Peter, again. And we could very easily just not have this and just have a better written Peter, again.

>>149217502
Peter = high-schooler was caused by the cartoons, and the editorial.
They were pushing for younger Spider-Man since the turn of the millennium.

Verbal Riot summed this show up beautifully
>”You'll hear the word “iconic” thrown around a lot in the show, but never do you hear the word “heroic” “

>>149216962
She's just boring now. I think the last thing I read with her in it was that trial of magneto series back during Krakoa shit. Awful and boring.

>>149217569
>Peter = high-schooler was caused by the cartoons
Which cartoon? I mean, in Spider-Man the animated series in the 90s he was in college not high school.

There definitely was some younger Peter nostalgia around in some comic series. Untold Tales of Spider-Man had younger Peter.

It really is Ultimate Spider-Man by Bendis that brought back high school Peter for their Ultimate line and by the time Peter was young for too long and the line was winding down they had to kill him off for Miles.

And yes it is editorial because editorial are just basing things on that retarded position that he can't grow or marry Mary Jane so have to knee jerk in the opposite direction.

>>149217502
>Middle Age Peter with a family looks amazingly fresh.
The last time I read Spider-Man comics was when I was a kid and he was married to MJ, with both of them juggling their unconventional jobs and spending time together. I loved that shit because it felt real and like an aspirational future for myself, having a cool job and hot wife that makes it work. But apparently, according to Marvel editors, kids are unable to connect with heroes who are married adults or even worse divorced adults, and so he had to sell his marriage to satan.

>>149217636
Writers can't write young adult Spider-Man well because they don't have anything going on in their lives. So that's why a lot of them want a younger Peter because they can just do the cliche high school shit which writes itself.

>>149217648
Reading old Spider-Man letter pages made me sad because all these people back decades ago really connected to Peter on that same level of him growing and then rooting for him.

Only modern Marvel editorial in the 00s decided anger sells.

>>149217636
>Which cartoon? I mean, in Spider-Man the animated series in the 90s he was in college not high school.
The ones from around 2010~

>>149217106
Not the movie but animation style was new and innovative at the time, they could've made the movie about anything and the animation would carry it regardless, marvel was just lucky it was miles and not batman beyond like the animators wanted.

>>149217753
>around 2010
Well yeah, those did but that was in part because of the young Peter push. But contextually this is a bit later in time to what I was discussing. I mean my point further up the chain is how, people feeling like Peter should be in high school goes back even further than that, much like the other example I gave, because people get weird perceptions in their head of what a character is rather than how they actually were depicted for most of their existence.

Peter has been a young adult for most of his existence but for some reason editorial and newer adaptations don't like that.

I think it's partly because newer generations are infantile because the milestones in life (own a house, have a career, get married, have kids) have been pushed back, made too difficult or impossible because of modern day society, technology, economics etc.

>>149203551
It almost doesn't sound too bad that that's all we've gotten in the 6 years since Endgame came out until you realize the entirety of Phase One only took 4 years to complete. If you go from Iron Man's debut then in the same amount of time we had:
> Iron Man
> Norton Hulk
> Iron Man 2
> Captain America 1
> Thor 1
> Avengers 1
> Iron Man 3
> Thor 2
> Captain America 2
> Guardians of the Galaxy 1

Like, they will almost certainly never hit that high again.