After 10 years large news sources are making articles on the history of Calarts Style, researching if this is why Elio failed
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/did-bean-mouth-really-kill-080000230.html

Entire article is a seethe. "Stop hating bean mouth, you fucking CHUDS!" They really, REALLY hate that they can't force this cheap, soft, ugly shit, in every piece of western animation.

>>149204116
That isn't what the article says at all. This persecution complex you fucks have isn't cute, it's annoying.

>>149204137
Yes it is. It's got one faggot seething about how "no, no no, 'calarts style' isn't even a thing! Let me reference The Iron Giant and Treasure Planet again!" Get with the times, grandpa. This blight's been on animation since 2010, and now you can't coast off it anymore.

>>149204096 (OP)
i wonder what kind of shitty and hideous art style would emerge and take its place

>>149204137
>posts on 4chan everyday
>thinks he isnt 4chan

like are animation classes really drilling this style because its that economical? it has to be something else. like are they being taught to opimize their designs for the korean slave animators?
what is the business reason for the bean?

>>149204299
But 4chan is some hacker dude

Why aren't you a director at Pixar yet /co/?

>>149204096 (OP)
They're mad because normies have standards now.
>Canadian news site.
Now I really don't give a shit.
>>149204348
UGH! It looks so bad!
Did they pick this bitch up from the insane asylum?
Who told this retard her art was good?

>>149204305
It's so they can streamline everything. They don't want uniqueness because it makes them look bad.

>>149204440
Untrue, they don't want uniqueness because it costs more. It's all about saving money, anon.

>>149204348
Because I'm a straight white male and conservative. There was no way they'd let me direct a movie regardless of my skills.

>>149204151
>he thinks The Iron Giant isn’t CalArts as fuck
lol
lmao even

>>149204498
>Go to Britian a hundred years ago
>See old timey British house
>"Hm, That is a British house"
>"Yes"
>Go to Britian now
>See modern British house
>"That is a British house"
>"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO DEFENITIONS *CANNOT* CHANGE, YOU STOP THAT RIGHT NOW!!!!!"

>>149204544
>NOOOOO YOU CAN’T USE CALARTS TO REFER OLD TREND CHASING SLOP, YOU CAN ONLY USE IT TO REFER TO CURRENT TREND CHASING SLOP
lol
lmao even

>>149204645
Yes, anon, if I'm talking about a thing you should assume I'm talking about the newest thing

The word Cock used to mean "rooster", not it more commonly means "penis"
If you walk up to someone and say "wanna see my cock?" I bet they'd tell you to fuck off fag before you could explain to them that you have a coop in your yard
That's conversational convention, don't pretend to be an autist cause we all know none of you normalfag tourists are

>>149204096 (OP)
I have never heard of this movie but I'm guessing since it's released in 2025 it's probably just shit all around including woke shit and people are tired of spending 100 bucks at movie theaters watching mediocre dogshit

>>149204348
>Steven Niggaverse lips
This shit was doomed from the start because the people who made it were tasteless, talentless faggots.

>>149204457
>>149204440
yeah surely it's mostly about money. im just completely unsure how the bean mouth streamlines animation. i get reusing graphics, but you could reuse any mouth shape right? they LOVE to beag about drawing characyers by mashing random shapes together so every character outside the main cast looks like a lumpy frankenstein.
so why the bean? why not a triangle or just a squiggly line? it's across multiple shows and studios.

>>149204498
it was behind a threshold of acceptability.
case in point: look at the mouth of the character ypu posted. it is not a bean.

>>149204645
Imagine unironically calling the Iron Giant slop.

>>149204671
>N-N-NO WORDS HAVE DIFFERENT MEANING Y-Y-YOU DUMMY! JUST BECAUSE WE’RE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME THING THAT DOESN’T MEANS WE’RE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME THING
Since you’re apparently too stupid to get it, Iron Giant AND Treasure Planet hail from the exact same soulless corporate desire to chase trends (which in that case was copying the old Disney style without understanding why he did what he did) for maximum profit as opposed to advancing the art of animation, just the modern bean mouth trend does. Definitely one while attacking the other is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer for not being a sexual deviant unlike that creep John Wayne Gacy. They’re both bad for the same reasons, it just manifested in slightly different ways.

>>149204096 (OP)
The reason Elio failed is because it has no appeal. The generic, dime-a-dozen beanmouth art style is part of the problem, definitely, but beyond that the main character is just a bland whiny kid and the premise has no real hook beyond "Look! Aliens!" with zero effort to make the aliens interesting.

>>149204182
>"corporate art" cartoons

>>149204883
im surprised it hasnt happened yet actually.

>>149204880
i bet. i have not and will not watch that movie but the bean mouth is a flag you put down and declare
>i am not trying
its not like a bean mouth design is inherently wrong to do, but all the joiners following the most read path are doing it. so it is the symbol of low effort and corner cutting.

>>149204871
So what's the issue with calling the modern thing what it is? If you understand that the old style came from the same place, motive and literal school as the new style, what's wrong with calling it a modern version of something else? Again, would you say a smartphone isn't a phone just because it's not a dial phone?
Also
>Defending
You seem to have creates some kinda "me vs you" scenerio in your head t hat doesn't apply to reality

>>149204096 (OP)
>Elio
I'm sick and tired of every idiot talking about this garbage movie.

i also think theres a calarts clique. theyre hiring their friends. their hiring people they think are like them. the art styles in portfolios probably identify their social class in school.

>>149204918
No shit, nepotism has been a huge problem in the industry for ages.

>>149204348
Wow, you really don’t need any actual talent to get into the business, huh?

>>149205020
infuriating huh?

>>149204096 (OP)
>Yahoo opinions page submission
>"Major news"
You're retarded, OP.

>>149205020
You just need to know the right people

>>149204417
>t. tranny anime spamming retard

>>149204912
>So what's the issue with calling the modern thing what it is?
There is none. My issue was that >>149204151 appeared to be bitching about (and upon a second glance I think I got this wrong) older people bitching about a modern art trend while holding up an old one, despite the fact that in reality, they ALSO bitched about the old trend when it was relevant because both trends come from the same place. It’d be like pretending that boomers want kids to stop spending all their time talking to friends on their smartphones and just go back to house phones even though kids hogging the house phone was a major complaint back when they were relevant…. But again, I’m a big enough man to admit that I think I misinterpreted the original post so I’ll just leave it at that and also because I have to start my shift so I can’t shitpost on the bus anymore

>>149204348
Those are the kind of drawings an 8 year old would do.

I know there's an argument for a lot of illustrators having 'crude' art but they make up for it by giving shitloads of personality that captures the spirit of the work. That shit is crude, soul-less and none of the 'feel' of the work comes out in it.

>>149205053
worse. ONLY k oeing the right people is a valid entrance into the industry. if you sctually busted down the doors with raw talent and kick ass ideas theyd see you as a threat and not hire you. probably steal your ideas though.

>>149205105
their perspective is that they jave their slave artists re do everything with their tools and procedures. this contributes to everything being bland and homogenous.
look at the (2d) lilo and stitch. its so unique and soulful because it was based on a specific artist's designs, which were soulful and unique. if you pass some crayon scribbles to the slave overseer he's just going to order the slaves to make everything at default settings. googly eyes and bean mouths.

>>149204544
I mean, compare a Georgian terrace to a modern Deano box...

>>149205134
There are a small handful of skilled animators left at Disney and they stick them doing animatics and even drawing storyboards. They keep hiring directors with zero animation experience who can't even draw crude sketches of how they want a scene to play out. It's why so many are ending up co-directed (and not by established pairs).

>we will never get a whole movie animated like this

>>149205200
>No see, we CAN do 2-D animation still, we just don't, because fuck you

>>149205200
I read somewhere that they tried to hire the artists they had at the TV studio to do traditional animation but they couldn't even draw a horse walking.

>>149205252
Horses in general are a common "gotcha" , it's hard enough for the majority to draw a static one without a reference, let alone animate one. They were probably testing which animators had proper, comprehensive training.

>>149205291
then discovered it was 0 and had to rethink their plan.

>>149205200
fuck me. the poses it moves theough at different rates and changes in direction.
yeah they put shit like this front and center and it discourages everyone thinking of trying their hand at it. then its >>149204348 these people who have the audacity to apply with no skills, who get the jobs because theyre the only ones.
that AND the spciopaths can identify each other and always hire each other.

>>149204096 (OP)
>But box-office analyst Paul Dergarabedian says the look of animated movies is rarely the most important factor in ticket sales, making it unlikely that's what sank Elio.
>"To me, that's a non-starter," he said, pointing to the Oscar-winning film Flow — animated with the free, open-source software Blender — as an example of how story trumps animation techniques. "That, to me, is like grasping at straws to find a reason that the movie didn't do [well]."
What does Flow being animated in Blender have to do with the "look of animated movies" not mattering? Yeah Flow doesn’t have super realistic textures like a Pixar movie does, but it still LOOKS good since it has a solid aesthetic that’s different from other CGI family movies. If anything it proves the opposite, people were willing to check out an indie movie from a no name Latvian studio just because it looked unique as opposed to the latest Pixar product which looks like every other CGI cartoon because Pixar has become a victim of their own success

>>149205312
They need to start having their shrinking talent pool start mentoring the junior animators again. Heck, throw some money at Glen Keane.

Look at how well Sony and Dreamworks are doing applying 2D techniques to 3D animation. All Pixar can manage is beanmouth and occasionally replacing the characters' pupils for quick jokes.

>>149205329
Animators used to eat up challenges like these. See the Beauty and the Beast ballroom and the Who Framed Roger Rabbit swinging lightbulb.

>Beanmouth
I thought this is just a meme

>>149205291
timed myself. 15 minutes. give me the job

>>149205444
Has to be realistic Anon.
But fantastic job otherwise.

>>149205363
flow runs circles around pixar slop with it's free tools. they asked a professiobal deflector to deflect from the proble.
but also, he has a (shitty) point. the masses are latching onto the bean mouth as the design itself being the problem rather than being an identifier of the problem.
theyre going to drop the bean mouth, but theyll hire the same people to make the same shit. just with different mouths.itll still be shit and when it fails these same people will be back in the news blaming the audience.

>>149205444
>No bean mouth
Get out of our offices

>>149205453
how long did those "real" animators get? a whole night? and their job was on the line? give me an excuse to leave work early and tell my wife im too busy to help the kids, and ill craft the most beautiful 8 frames of animation youve ever seen.

>>149205540
im sorry master

>>149205574
Congrats, you now are in charge of Disney Pixar's Disney + division. You're first assignment is a show about transgender horses.

>>149204096 (OP)
have they finally listened to John K. for once, as much of a sick freak he was and still is?

>>149205444
Careful, don't take it too far or you will end up like James Baxter, who clearly wants to fuck a horse at this point.

>>149204299
:(

>>149204116
>Entire article is a seethe. "Stop hating bean mouth, you fucking CHUDS!"
Holy shit! We got a /co/fag in the journo industry!

>>149204880
Not helping matters was the story changes as well, which in turn fucked up the marketing.
>first trailer, Elio tries to call his mom while at military school, she says she's busy, he gets abducted reluctantly
>pretty much little to nothing after that ad wise
>next big trailer, the mom is now an aunt, Elio is now at summer camp, WANTS to be abducted, and we see his buddy for the movie
Hell, I didn't even see the commercials for the McDonalds toys till just recently.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnmLJmPtF1I

>>149205200
Prime 2D cutie right here
>>149205367
>See the Beauty and the Beast ballroom
I got you.

And have one from Treasure Planet.

>>149204348
>If only you knew how bad things really are ...

>>149206078
How the fuck do they even do this? Like is process the true key of great art? You need to start with the circle and line and then flesh it out frame by frame? Insane. No wonder Disney ditched 2D art.

>>149204726
>people are tired of spending 100 bucks at movie theaters watching mediocre dogshit
That's why the minecraft movie bombed, right? Oh wait...

>>149204348
I need to print this off so I can look at it whenever I feel bad about my art.

>>149206135
That's why many people can respect the craft.

>>149204096 (OP)
Their workforce is completely infested with parasites.
You can't make money with cartoon if everyone working on it is a woman, a tranny or a nigger.

>>149204348
They don't even let straight white males become interns anymore. HR gatekeeps people like me out due to the race and gender I was born with.

>>149204182
AI generated

>>149204305
They're taught if they learn this style it's easier for them to get industry jobs

You guys actually think Elio would magically become a good film if it was 2D? It wouldn't.

>>149205635
>You're first assignment is a show about transgender horses.
Fake. Disney wouldn't have the balls, their chinese money is on the line

>>149206234
Baby steps.

>>149206099
Disney thought they found their own Rebecca Sugar with this one.

>>149206255
Pixar has never made 2D. Their whole conceit is computer animation.

>>149204900
Would probably get too expensive

>>149206296
>Pixar has never made 2D.
That'd be an interesting change of pace. Studios limiting themselves to a single method of animation is pretty lame. Especially since Disney stopped doing 2D, so the two are basically interchangeable now.

>>149204918
It's teachers who got their students hired to Disney 20 years ago doing this beanmouth style. The teachers never innovate so keep teaching their students what worked 20 years ago. They promise the kids jobs because they have "industry connections" so they students over 4 years change their style in to what the teacher tells them, because they think it will get them a Pixar job.

These same teachers hate anime, call it a passing fad, and stamp out any artists with east Asian animation influences unless it's Ghibli. That is how CalArts has become the beanmouth assembly it has become. Kids who go in with unique styles all get converted to beanmouth by the time they graduate. CalArts is now daycare for rich kids, the actual best animation school in the world is Gobelins.

>>149206239
This. Disney pretends to be an "ally" or whatever, but anyone with a brain can tell they don't truly give a shit about that.

>>149206180
>>149206191
>>149206078
>>149206059
>>149205200
not disney but whatever

>>149204348
Unlike the other idiots replying, the real reason is I was not born as a nepo baby related to some producer in hollywood. Only the rich and connected get anywhere in Hollywood. It is a festering nest of nepotism and circlejerking. If you aren't related to a somebody, you're better off just trying to build your own opportunities from the ground up on youtube or some shit.

>>149206296
That's everyone's whole conceit now. Maybe Pixar should try to stand out from the crowd again.

>>149205635
if these blood drinking child rapists actually put me in charge of their tranny brainwashing programs they'd be amazing and popular

>>149205847
what if you want to be the horse?

>>149204096 (OP)
Eyepatches are cool while those eye bandages that contort to the eye socket look gross. That's it.

>>149204348
That was so nice of the director of this film to let her 3 year old child help with this film's character designs! How cute! I bet one day they'll grow up to be a famous artist.

>>149206296
They did one short that was 2d characters with 3D "backgrounds". An entire movie with a Gumball asethetic would be refeshing.

>>149204096 (OP)
It's simple as fuck: everyone and their grandma are making CG movies AND everyone's movies look the same because everyone hires the same hacks from Calarts. Pixar has spent all of its good will from being the amazing pioneer. Now they actually need to make outstanding movies to sell tickets and "grub hub boy in space" ain't it. The next success in animation will be whoever realizes people want to see stuff that looks different and looks objectively good. And this is before we even go into how ass modern writing is.

>>149206296
>>149206890
They've also done a few other 2D shorts with no 3D whatsoever like the Kitbull one that played before Turning Red

>>149206703
>you're better off just trying to build your own opportunities from the ground up on youtube or some shit.
minus the apecific youtube context, this is how every major animation studio staryed. men with passion working their asses off for almost no pay. the big corpo bucks came later.
when i was in art school EVERYBODY was yammering on about "getting jobs at <x>" no one wanted to start their own thing. it was all about getting a job with a steady paycheck.

>>149204116
Apparently all the normies who reject this shit are chuds now.

>>149206972
thats the white pill. the chud horizon is creeping over the normie population while the soi horizon is receding

>>149204096 (OP)
It's really weird how the style has been added to 3D stuff. Since the whole point was for a very simple, cheap, quick to work with minimalist design for 2D animation. It's function over form for the most part. So why do it in 3D? That does none of the things it was meant to do, it does not make it faster, cheaper, or simpler at all. On top of that, why is one of the largest, biggest budget studios in the world using it?

People expect more from Pixar than imitating the cheap efficient method of animating for tv.

>>149204096 (OP)
>>149204116

Even then no matter how much one has to shout Chuds or make conspiracy theories, there is very clearly some element of adversity to the artstyle. It's impossible to downplay after a while. And really, a studio needs to start paying attention when something generates adversity and try to do something about it. There is enough commentary over enough years that it should be obvious that something has to change here.

Historically animation has to attract the widest audience it can, it's too expensive, takes too long to make, and requires three times the amount of crew to make than any live action movie. So throughout history all studios understood that it cannot be niche, it has to attract everyone as humanly possible. So it seems incredibly counterproductive to maintain use of a visual style that does appear to have a level of bad press attached to it and is known to turn off a percentage of the viewing audience.

>>149206972
That's been true for a decade. If you do not go with the social media flow and agree with everything they say, you are just an angry incel chud loser and probably white.

>>149205363
This is what happens when you have non art people attempting to describe and explain art.

>>149207143
>Even then no matter how much one has to shout Chuds or make conspiracy theories, there is very clearly some element of adversity to the artstyle.
>Historically animation has to attract the widest audience
i understand the logic behind this theory but we are witnessing before our eyes the failure of this mode of thinking.
"the widest possible audience" used to be temped by narrow demographics. aside from the west becoming more brown and less christians and less family oriented you have the global market maximizing the phenomenon. the original disney pictures appealed to a "wide audience" of white, christian, american, english speaking, families. nowadays that's considered niche. how do you appeal to a public defined by the lack of coherence and similarity?
this thinking got approated by a generation of managers who do not understand it and demographics have invalidated it.
if you want to make money you dont appeal to the largest group of human beings but to the group of human being with the most money ready to be spent on your stuff.

>>149207016
Why do you assume that the troglodytes Calarts lets out even can design anything that isn't simplified ugly garbage meant for easy animation in a Korean sweat shop?

>>149207274
Okay I've not bought an art of book in ages but does anyone have an older pixar art book like "the art of Finding Nemo" that we can compare with their newer films like "the art of Luca" so if we can see if the concept art is really demonstrably worse?

>>149207262
You can't cater to a truly diverse audience. Especially when it's so "diverse" that it differs even in basic morality concepts. All you can do in that situation is cater to specific niches within that diverse audiences. Meaning creating several smaller budget movies targeting specific audiences rather than big ones for "everyone" (no one).

>>149207327
yup yup
but then youre admitting that inclusivety as a value is worthless. youre admitting that some demos arent worth pandering to.
its true, btw that some demos have no value and that inclusivety is retarded at best, evil at worst. but youre just not allowed to behave as if you onow these things. you must shovel billions of dollars into the furnace and pretend like youre confused why only smoke comes out the top.

Elio looked incredibly unattractive. I mean just from the concept photos where he's sitting like a homosexual. His design wasn't for boys it was for the all the uncool moms and single women on the committee who contributed to OK-ing that design that should be put to task. Disney is eating crap based off of the decisions of the people they have employed, point blank period.

>>149207403
>Disney is eating crap based off of the decisions of the people they have employed, point blank period.
and it couldnt happen to a nicer group of vampires. hopefully they kill themselves after bankrupting an american institution.

>>149207327
You can by making stories with universal messages. That's what these idiots don't get. A retarded story about progressive ideals is not going to sell to everyone the way a traditionalist story pushing thousand year old morals is going to. There's a reason that Disney's films from nearly a century ago are still loved and strike a chord with audiences today because our traditional morals and stories are what have helped keep our species alive.

>But box-office analyst Paul Dergarabedian says the look of animated movies is rarely the most important factor in ticket sales, making it unlikely that's what sank Elio.
>"To me, that's a non-starter," he said, pointing to the Oscar-winning film Flow — animated with the free, open-source software Blender — as an example of how story trumps animation techniques. "That, to me, is like grasping at straws to find a reason that the movie didn't do [well]."
Movie that people saw because they were blown away specifically with how it looks btw

>>149207470
>box-office analyst Paul Dergarabedian
This 'expert' doesn't know jack shit. Of course visuals are what sell animated movies. Unappealing characters and art styles make people not want to see movies. All this guy is doing is coping and seething.

>>149207429
Yeah, hopefully. I used to believe I wanted to share Disney products with my children once I was married and established. But the current writers have absolutely lost the plot when it comes to telling a compelling story. All they can do is tell on themselves. Like how Wish can be taken as some loser having high expectations about a job, walking in and completely messing everything up to the point here her future employment there is kinda shaky. So she causes an internal ruckus to get the guy who is managing the affairs of the kingdom is a fair and responsible way effectively fired. She usurps his position and is determined to do things like he didn't do--like giving the OK to every single wish with no regard to filters. Which is what is happening to Disney Creative right now. Anemic, passionless, romanceless project after project like Soul where characters are ugly, don't want to have families or children or believe in romance and are just 1:1 expy's for the creator working through their emotional and/or mental trauma where the antagonist of the film turns out to be...like, mother/daughter miscommunication or a grandmother's overbearing attitude toward her family. You know, intangible BULLCRAP that you can't punch in the face. Or, wait, no, the villain is a version of the hero! From the future! Who went evil because of an arbitrary decision that could be alluded to politics IRL!

It's all trash. Disney needs to crawl into a corner and expire.

>>149206688
RW's stuff is kind of cheating when talking about the skill gap in animation, it's picking arguably the most technically complex and labor intensive animations that didn't even succeed in the profit motive.

>>149204096 (OP)
It's unfortunate to hear the "We don't think _____ is the problem, so we aren't going to try and do anything different." yet again. I would hope that creative industries would venerate trying new ideas, concepts and styles rather than holding on to trends in order to spit audiences who are announcing how sick of them they are.

I don't know why the entertainment industry chooses to take such an antagonistic relationship with its audiences. I get that they by no means should make things solely because they think it's what the audience wants, or that they should be beholden to public opinion, but I just don't see why they are so condescending to their audience with this "You guys don't know what you want, WE DO!" mentality. Ultimately you have to create a product that is, you know, appealing to people, and part of that is choosing an art style that people find appealing. It doesn't mean you have to compromise any integrity to do so, but just understand what's working and what isn't. Beanmouth isn't.

They are really trying to hop on the stop complaining and support original films tiktok trend? Yes, cause I'm sure when you shame people enough, they'll do what you say instead of what usually happens, ignore you further.

>>149204348
Maybe if I tell them I'm autistic and I want to make a movie about an autistic character they'll let me in...? Oh who am I kidding, I'm white and they'd rather greenlit a movie from an autistic woman then pick me. Oh well. Guess I will stay unemployed with the other 85% of autistic adults and my experiences will never be realized on the big screen

>>149207452
their entire assertion is that their progressive ideals are universal and timeless, and that it took a global conspiracy to trick the world into thinking monogamous heterosexual marriages are preferable.

>>149207510
BABAHAHAHAHHA YOURE RIGHT!
wish is an allegory for all these siversity hires getting imposter syndrome.
my writing teacher out his foot down and said
>do NOT "write what you know"
and the current gen to take over media are all people who kbsessed over slinking uo social hierarchies. all they know is sneaking and betrayal. so of course thats all they can write about.

>>149207452
Tradition withstands the test of time for a reason. There are tropes in place that remain popular to this day and resonates across different works of fiction released throughout the course of humanity's time on this planet. Purposefully trying to re-engineer that to CONSTANTLY make villains "not so bad" or "misunderstood" and never accountable for the deaths they cause and chaos they contribute to. Or just boring bland author self-inserts like Kamala Khan who don't embody what it means to be a hero (personal sacrifice, putting law and order before the greater good, not using powers irresponsibly, setting an example, etc) and can't invent lasting rogues galleries so consistently have to stay relevant through the cameos of A-listers but won't just, like, go away.

3D CGI was always pleb shit and an insult to real animation (2D.)

>>149204348
And here I can draw better than that by far...

>>149207802
if you showed them your portfolio theyd black list you out of fear youd usurp them

>>149207837
Yeah, I know, when I went to get my Fine Arts, I got the HARD cold shoulder for saying I wasn't a male feminist.

>>149207321
There are Youtube channels that flip through different art books.
Finding Nemo artbook was fine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSnFTGfhuEU
Most Pixar artbooks follow a similar form, except Inside Out. It got lots of wasted empty space, and no behind-the-scenes information.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPAnfILF0Ik

Basically all art books do contain some amount of super rough art. It's okay to draw like that when you're just sketching out quick ideas and designs that you intend to polish later.
However, >>149204348
that stuff does look exceptionally bad. Even with hastily drawn concept art, you can usually still see that the artist has a good understanding of fundamentals. I don't see that here. It looks as if it was drawn by someone who has never even picked up a pencil before in his life.

>>149207321
It's on internet archive, Luca's art book is actually kinda nice. The art being worse or better varies on the different artists, you can have more visually appealing conceptual pieces and still end up with a bland or ugly movie. A better comparison would be Incredibles 1 & 2 honestly.
Luca
https://archive.org/details/the-art-of-luca/page/n8/mode/1up
Nemo
https://archive.org/details/the-art-of-finding-nemo_202302/page/n3/mode/1up

>>149207321
>>14920799
Wanted to add more.
Despite being beanmouth, I think it worked for Luca but it's much more charming in 2d, Carossa's own drawings were very nice. You can see the ghibli influence.

>>149208068
Is that a compliment? Because Ghibli has one of the most boring and generic styles ever when it comes to humans. It's better than the actively ugly Calarts, but still.

>>149208105
Ghibli is such a fucking overrated studio

>>149204348
I said the N word once

>>149208105
It's cute but I don't hold it in high regard, didn't mean to come off that way. Ghibli was explicitly mentioned as one of Luca's influences and it shows.

>>149204116
Yeah, there's a maxim from the early 2010s called Betteridge's law that reads as such.

>Any headline that ends in a question mark can be answered by the word no.

>>149208160
>Make this as concept art
>No matter what, end product is still grubhub ad slop
Bloody hell

>>149208443
Well at the least the backgrounds translated well into the final product and retained some charm. They were going for a ghibli/aardman claymation inspired look.

>>149208443
hence why they dont try. the thing's going to go through the korean animation processor regardless. except to make your artbook look nice why make high quality conept art at all?

>>149206972
>STOP DISRESPECTING DISNEY! YOU'RE ALL CHUDS! CHUDS, I TELL YOU!
>Oof... stress levels... critical
>report arm... literally shaking
>Won't be able to... watch new Steven Universe show... nyo...

>>149207601
Just say what my dad always said "I'm a lesbian trapped in a mans body."

>>149207510
>Wish
God I still can't get over how awful that movie was. Like just completely insanely nonsensical.
>I want to inspire people..
TO WHAT! That doesn't mean anything! Context is important. You're an old man. You had a life time to create something worthwhile but you don't even have a goal or desire beyond inspiring people for the sake of itself. The whole plot was about some neophyte who threw a tantrum she didn't get nepo privileges on her first day. God at least work a few months to figure out how to game the system. And of course the big evil king (who was only evil because he got cursed thanks to you mucking up the system) has to be put down while his wife makes a glib remark. (said wife was as culpable as the king.) I'd love to say this movie feels like it was written by a child but I don't wan to insult the child who would at least have the decency to put dinosaurs in the movie.

>>149208661
The CWC Maneuver

>>149208773
a child would include cool scenes about cool things happening.

>>149205105
>I know there's an argument for a lot of illustrators having 'crude' art but they make up for it by giving shitloads of personality that captures the spirit of the work. That shit is crude, soul-less and none of the 'feel' of the work comes out in it.

Because it's made by a non-white, DEI hire.

>>149204096 (OP)
I'm not watching a dumb beaner kid as the main protagonist.

Beaners won't watch it because aliens have no appeal to their 85IQ average minds.

Shit looks generic as fuck. Like something that AI animated.

It was doomed from the start.

>>149209017
Aliens have plenty of appeal to kids and beaners. Mexicans love Dragonball Z, Venom and Ben 10, franchises starring aliens. Mexicans and kids just don't like these generic low imagination sea slug looking aliens.

>>149208935
you tell a young artist
>you gotta kick ass. if your concept is shit youre shit and youll get laughed out of the studio
theyre going to try their hardest and when the time comes their art might still be shit but itll be high effort shit
you tell a kid
>oh it doesnt matter. most of the time we base characters on scribbles
then theyre going to phone it in and give you 10% what you imagined in your mind as "shit"
that's where we are.

>>149208935
Molina previously worked on Coco as co-director and as a boarder for TS3 which makes stuff like this all the more baffling honestly. Remember Good Dinosaur or Elemental? Directed by Peter Sohn who's been with both Disney and Pixar for years, as well as voicing minor characters, concept art, etc.

>>149205291
Animal drawing is nessesary training and usually included, even in schools like calarts. They aren't hard to draw and if you know how to animate a basic animal walk, a horse isn't too hard. I think most people just don't really draw animals for some reason.
>>149207517
Yeah honestly. He's fucking insane.
>>149207016
My therory is that they keep pushing this style so it's easy to outsource. Some jeet in india with could easily pick up on the basics of this style really quickly. There's no anatomy to learn, etc. Outsourced artists are much cheaper and some studios are just straight up completely outsourcing now (dreamworks i think?)
>>149208068
Still ugly in 2D.

>>149209068
>therory is that they keep pushing this style so it's easy to outsource
this is the only theory that could explain the uniquitousness of the style but it still just doesnt make sense. this is silly. inbetweening is brainless work. you dont have to "learn anatomy" just draw the line inbetween where it is in the first frame and the last frame. sometimes youll have a not saying to draw your inbetween closer to one key as opposed to the other for easing. you dont have to know that this line in a wrinkle in a shirt caused by a compressed clavicle due to the deltoid lifting the humorous over the mandible. just draw the line and take you $2 a day.

>>149209068
I thought the left looked nice
>outsourced artists
Unfortunately, no. That's not the case at all with these movies. Notice it's all of Pixar's more personal movies with a softer style, for whatever reason this is the style they've adopted for those kinds of movies. And if your theory was possibly true we'd be seeing the same at WDAS too.

>>149205363
https://youtu.be/OY0DsUNNbFE
This is some good cinematography
that dog looks like a PS2 model I love him

>>149205635
anon you know he's just going to make friendship magic again

>>149206099
IT LOOKS WORSE UP CLOSE UGH!!!
It feels like something that was drawn in like 5 minutes. I've seen autists on DeviantArt with a stronger artstyle than this.

>>149209197
Some real Team Ico vibes honestly. But good lord is it so much to ask for that movies just feel grand.

>>149209230
nope. it's all just render settings.

>>149204096 (OP)
Are mainstream people finally realizing CalArts is shit

>>149204417
>>149206882
>her
You know the director is a man, right?

>>149209359
A troon, got it.

>>149209371
Cope

>>149209359
Domee Shi and someone other lady took over as director when the movie was delayed so that's probably where the "she" comes from. Molina still gets a credit and his scribbles in the art book but he was no longer director.

>>149209359
who cares? it's not using it's reproductive tools for anything. all it does is accept money and fuck pixar.
>im gay gib me job
this is why
yhis is why wverythings shit.
there was this big totally.imaginary co soiracy theory that studios were awash with browns and women and fags and then a white guy would show up and go
"IM WHITE! LOOK AT MY DICK!" and they got a free job. not that every white man applying to any of these jobs had to compete woth hundreds of other white men for it.
but on the basis of this co slirscy theory the whole industry got rewritten to make the conspiracy real but for the aforementioned nonwhite nonmen.
because there arent hundreds of multi checkbox checkers applying.
it's here. try to deny it. the figures are in. the critics critiqued. here he is putting his preference for drinking cum front and center as his most.important quality.

>>149209416
oh ok. so he was so inept that they had to bring in a finisher but their finisher was a woman. also a gay woman?

>>149209442
>Shitty wikipedia page
I don't see how that's him putting his sexuality front and center it's not like he wrote his page.
>>149209460
Not that I'm aware of

>>149209442
Dude has been working at Pixar since 2007, but it's surely only because he's gay

>>149204096 (OP)
No father figure. Big surprise.

My dad left before i was born, so my war vet grandfather helped raise me. How hard. Is it for modern women to just have 1 stable male in their life to help raise the kid?

>>149209559
yeah my thoughts exactly.
>>149209526
>it's not like he wrote his page.
uh huh. sure.

>>149209607
I really doubt it. You might have a point if it wasn't just a single line in the personal life section.

>>149207262
>>i understand the logic behind this theory
>appeal to more people = more paying customers
>"theory"

Like it or not, isn't It kind of weird that "beanmouth" is bleeding into the later half of a second decade of presence at this point?
I feel like animation trends used to be a lot quicker than this. Think of all those lists that would attribute a different style of animation to each decade of Nick cartoons. A single decade isn't enough for this.

>>149209359
Yeh.
>>149209415
Bro he looks even faggier than I even imagined.

>>149209736
Feels like a lot of media has been in a rut for the past decade.

>>149209664
it's not. it's also his concept art they thought was good enough to put in their book and sign his name under.

>>149209775
Valid point.

>>149209668
>lemme just not read the whole post and just react.
youre NOT appealing to more customers when you appeal to the widest audience. youre appealing to the least customers.
remember and this is a big brain concept that most executives have forgotten. a customer is someone who gives you money.
when you can get a million wine aunts to hork over your gay movie because it's gay, that's not a victory when none of them buy tickets because they think cartoons are stupid.

>>149209828
No, retard.

>>149209736
Don't think it has a name, but the "bold outlines with sharp angular points" style seen in cartoons like PPG, Dexter's Lab, Fairly Oddparents, Yin Yang Yo, Total Drama Island and others lasted over a decade as well.

>>149209828
That just means you appealed to a shitty demographic in a specific situation, that doesn't mean wide appeal is bad.

>>149209775
because they cannot take one step back or even slow down without inditing the ideology. they married it. if they try something else.
i cant find the articles but a few years ago there was a rumor kathleen kennedy(president of lucasfilm) was going to be fired. before the runor was confirmed or denied there was a deluge of articles saying that disney had abandoned feminism and multiculturalism. she wasnt fired.
this is their fear. that criticisms from without will mark them as a big yucky meany conservative organisation, and theyve already hired the legbutt army as their staff who threaten to walk out or worse whenever this sibject is in the news.
over and over bob eiger says "theres no agenda" before using the same breath to say how comitted he is to dei.

>>149209873
You mean UPA inspired cartoons? Nta but the majority you listed were made for tv and didn't bleed into theatrical animated movies, 2d or 3d like "beanmouth" has for the past few years.

>>149209872
>no argument
youre denying reslity now. the figures are in. a relentless pursuit of inclusivety has reduced their paying audience size.
that's it
we're done
there's nowhere else to go
theyve tried everything except relenting on their cultural agenda and every move reduces revenue.

>>149209894
are you a disney exec? cuz this is some hard fucking core cope.
>50% of people say they like cheeseburgers
>50% of people say they like pizza
>lets sell lizza cheeseburgers
>oh no we have 0 customers!
smooshing gays and browns and pagans and child molesters all into 1 movie doesnt widen the appeal. social media impressions arent ticket sales.
we're here in the real world right now. theyre doing things. the things theyre doing arent working.

>>149207262
>>149207327
On one hand this is a good way to think but on the other we've started to see it being taken to its extreme end where everything is priced only to people who can afford paying expensive prices. That "premium" mindset will then work its way through to everything else too. Why make products that appeal to anyone other than people with the money to pay for overpriced things? Going to the movies is becoming too expensive for most people, subscription services are becoming too expensive for most people, buying video games or comics are becoming too expensive for most people. But what does it matter? You're not actually losing money by selling less when the less that you're selling has had its prices jacked up to offset it. American comics sell less than ever yet the actual money they bring in from sales are higher than ever.

So what seems like good, logical, even preferable, quickly turns into "fuck anyone who's not rich; they're the ones with the money and thus the only people we need to be appealing to" and if they're the ones who like this slop then it'll just get worse.

>>149208105
Nobody who wasn't an anime geek gave a shit about Ghibli until Spirited Away won an Oscar and it won an Oscar because Disney distributed it so the Academy voters essentially just viewed it as a Disney movie but more artsy than Lilo & Stitch.

>>149204182
Spiderverse style for sure

>>149210135
>what seems like good, logical, even preferable, quickly turns into "fuck anyone who's not rich; they're the ones with the money and thus the only people we need to be appealing to"
i just know im gonna turn this thread from a pile of flaming shit into an infinite shit fractal by saying this but it's too relevant.
nee york city was falling into the abyss precely because of this "affordable" mindset. everyone as trying to make the cheapest shit to sell to the ever poorer new yorkers. then one day donald trump built luxury apartments. luxury hotels. luxury convention centers. he made fancy shit for fancy people at a fancy price. the result was a total revitalisation of new york city. trumps philosophy of catering to rich people because they jave money worked because it brought in more money. that word "premium" is good. you know what it means? it means youre paying extra in proportion to what youre getting. youre paying 2x the price for 1.5x the services. richies eat that shit up.
ever heard that first class pays for the flight? were it not for 4ich assholes pay $1,000 extra dollars for foot room and a dixie cup of orange juice none of the poors wouldnt be able to fly at all. last deacde's luxury apartments become this deacde's affordable housing after a newer nicer luxury building goes up.

now for our specific context here, im not even harping on rochies and poors. the fac6 of the matter is that most people jave their purses locked up to animated feature films. its nit a matter of rich or poor. they do not want to buy tickets and watch a cartoon in a movie theater. they wouldnt even if it was free. the people who would fit into a demo. theyre not the general audience. you have to appeal to them or youre alienating the only people wholl give you money at all.
it isnt
>fuck the poor
it's
>fuck the people who dont like animation

>>149210255
No one likes animation because it went to shit. And the few sexpests okay with its state, unsurprisingly, don't make up a sustainable audience.

>>149210374
animation at it's absolute peak was considered kids shit by the general public. adults either held their noses so they could bring their kids to it or they didnt go at all. the foray i to adult animatio over the past 3 decades has only revealed that the stink is permanent and the majority of people simply will not watch animated films or tv shows on principle. look at the hularious parade of failed attempts on the fox lineup over that same period.
now my perspective is these people are idiots who are just embarassed to be seen watching a cartoon. that some of them would like it if they have it a real chance, but also that most of them are NPCs who dont "like" things so much as they consume media that lets them join conversations at work.
its another one of these ideologically sticking points. they cant accept this reality because it undermines their beleif system. therefore they must proceed as of there's some combination of colors and sounds thatll get 51% of the entire population to buy tickets.
parents are easy because they arent buying tickets for themselves but for their kids. but parents cant be relied on to mindlessly take their kids to whatvwr movie disney is marketing atm because of the globohomo propaganda, EXPLICITELY.
the animation enthusiasts arent buying tickets because it's shit.
the rest? the childless marxists all consumed with social hierarchies? they dont buy tickets. if they do only 1, and not for every movie.
remember, the industry peaked already. we know what that looks like. when disney had the most revenue and at the height of their quality. most people still shunned animation.

>>149204417
you didn't actually have anything substantive to add you just needed an excuse to post this same fucking image again.

Sad

>>149204096 (OP)
"Calarts Style" doesn't exist. Pixar was created by the Calarts students.

>>149211282
No but Calarts sure became associated with a certain look and artists in the 2010s, whether they went to Calarts or not. I really think beanmouth is a better descriptor honestly.

>>149209576
Slut around while underage, spaz out when parents try to be parents, burn bridges with them when you leave home. Tada! That's the average white sloot move. Sometimes they spend a lot of time in trouble with the law, drugs, and screwing around with black peers in high school, for a small bit of variety. Those are easy to spot, trying to speak and act ghetto.

>>149204417
>UGH! It looks so bad!
if it was female and from some stupid obscure european thing from 1960 you'd be spamming it to death.

>>149204299
4chan is not one person.

>>149212580
Probably because 60s europeans run laps around you arrested development trust fund babies.

>>149213264
Not defending the beanslop, was just insulting you, tard.

>>149204096 (OP)
...How the fuck did Pixar regress so fucking hard?

>>149209775
In all cases the symptoms seem the same to me. Companies do basic market research to see what people want, market research stifles creativity, new IPs fail without creative vison, and the audience clamors for familiarity in sequels or reboots to what they remember being good. The root of the problem always starts with market research.

>>149204096 (OP)
Im tired of round bland looking 3d animation. They had years and tons of capitol to innovate try different styles but stick to this commercial friendly slop art style.

>>149204348
im living in a different country, and i dont think that Pixar would love a fantasy tale about 3 Bards fighting against a Dark Queen who sings Heavy Metal.