Thread 149222920

Mark Waid just posted.
Goodbye to the biggest man in comics.

You can probably count on one hand the number of people more important to mainstream comics. Broke in at 14!!! Unbelievable


RIP to a legend

RIP

>started working at DC at the age of 14
Well /co/ what's your excuse?

YOU GET WHAT YOU FUCKING DESERVE

mods better sticky this shit

>>149222920 (OP)
FUCK

>>149222920 (OP)
Who?

>>149222977
It's not the 60s, and comic companies no longer hire teenagers for writing

>>149223028

They also didn't know he was a teenager until he had started working for them

>During Shooter's tenure, he enforced a policy forbidding the portrayal of gay characters in the Marvel universe.[37][38][39] According to John Byrne, he initially had to conceal Northstar's sexuality, since Shooter personally told him that portraying a gay character would not be allowed.[40][41] Marvel nonetheless published the first gay-themed story by a mainstream comics publisher during this time, written by Shooter himself; in it, two gay men attempt to rape Bruce Banner.[39][42] Comics historian Frederick Luis Aldama says that Marvel under Shooter's tenure "was widely considered homophobic."[43]

based

>>149222920 (OP)
RIP to real one.
Modern comics are shit because they didn't listen to him.

Link or gtfo

>american comic writer
>check bibliography
>all capeshit

>>149222977
I'm playing video games and learning how to do a whole lotta things rn

>>149222977
Child labor laws.

>>149223047
Wasn't Element lad a notorious fag?

>>149223061
He also facilitated the creation of a lot of non-cape books too.

>>149222959
>>149222920 (OP)
Losing Jim is as big of a loss for American superhero comics as losing Stan Lee and Jack Kirby was.
The world is poorer for his absence.

>>149222920 (OP)
He's still alive

>>149223131
OP is a faggot then.

>>149223075
>rn
You need to be 18 to post here.

>>149222920 (OP)
Respect. He was a big figure in the 80s, the greatest decade of comic books.

>>149222920 (OP)
The last few years have not been kind to the old guard

>>149222920 (OP)
GODDAMMIT NOOOOO
FIRST PAD AND NOW HIM, I CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE

>>149222977
Comics companies no longer accept fan submissions. That's how Shooter got his start, by sending scripts to DC.

RIP Jim

>>149222977
DC's office was several thousand miles away from me when I was 14

if I was 14 now my excuse would be that unaccompanied minors are not permitted on the WB lot because of Reasons and nobody's gonna come to work with me all day just to be my chaperone

>>149222920 (OP)
RIP

>Mark Waid just posted
>OP doesn't post a link to said post or any other legitimate evidence whatsoever
"Yell fire in a crowded theater" troll threads are cancer and against >>>/global/rules/3
OP is a faggot.
Fulfill your civic duty to help purge this board of anarchistic, sociopathic, intellectually regressive youtube/reddit/twitter immigrant subhumans like him who are under the delusion that all of 4chan (instead of just the designated shitposting playpens like /b/, /trash/, /bant/, etc.) is a toilet by reporting this thread en masse.
Here's a link so you don't have to scroll up to the top of the page.
https://sys.4chan.org/co/imgboard.php?mode=report&no=149222920

MODS STICKY

Fucking RIP

>>149223061
I'm sad he and PAD died before Gary Groth.

>>149223275
nypa, do your own research, kill yourself, etc

>>149222920 (OP)
F

>>149222920 (OP)
Pic is him at 24 btw. They don't make men like they used to.

>>149222920 (OP)
RIP to a great.

>>149223275
You're a really annoying schizo, did you know that?
https://www.cbr.com/jim-shooter-comic-book-icon-dc-marvel-obituary/

>>149223123
No, Element Lad being a fag was something the Bierbaums did because in their headcanon he was gay because his costume was pink.

How many comic book legends are left?

>>149223131
>>149223136
>>149223275
Does nobody bother to just search to see if something is true any more? You're already on the fucking internet.

https://comicbookclublive.com/2025/06/30/jim-shooter-dies-age-73/
https://www.comicsbeat.com/jim-shooter-73-has-reportedly-died-of-esphogeal-cancer/
https://www.cbr.com/jim-shooter-comic-book-icon-dc-marvel-obituary/

Multiple outlets are reporting this now, and I don't imagine Waid would just lie about something like this for the lulz. RIP Big Jim.

>>149222920 (OP)
RIP Industry.

Reminder that Shooter cracked the whip on the lazy hippies at Marvel and they never fucking forgave him for it.

>>149223130
I think he's a rung below the likes of Lee, Kirby and Thomas in importance but it's still a big deal.

FUCK Cancer, when are they curing this shit?

>>149223328
He was theorized to be a fag from very early on.
From his comments about dating a girl.

>>149223318
>the acne scars made him look cooler

>>149222920 (OP)
Waid's post

>>149222920 (OP)
Oh shit, is this actually real??

R.I.P. if true

I think people have a lot of rightful gripes with Jim Shooter for being a micromanaging asshole, but Marvel comics were at some of their best under his tenure and I wish he'd stayed on longer.

>>149222920 (OP)
Effective immediately comics lost a legendary editor.
RIP Jim

>>149223358
Too many variants

>>149223275
Fuck you, you annoying faggot.

RIP Jim Shooter, the best editor Marvel ever had.

>>149223275
I posted before any news articles were online to link. I figured you guys would want to know before most people would.
The source was facebook which you'd also call me a fag if I mentioned.

>>149223405
So it has something in common with comic books.

>>149223275
Agreed. Jim would have wanted OP to properly introduce who Jim Shooter was and what the stakes of the thread are right off the bat. Any issue could be someone's first.

>>149223426
A second thread went up

>>149223385
Shooter was a micromanager but he also knew how a story should be presented in order to be good and to keep the reader hooked and wanting more. The guy carefully studied what made Marvel stories more interesting and how they worked and applied that to the Legion. This style would then be copied and refined, especially once he became EIC. If you love things like Claremont's X-Men or Stern's Spider-Man or Avengers, they're all variations on or refinements of the style that Shooter pioneered in the 1960s and expected when he was EiC. In fact, I'd say that Stern is the almost perfect Shooter-style writer.

If not for Shooter, we'd never have Transformers. The scope of his legacy is monumental.

>73 years old
Is it just me or are people in comics dying most frequently in this range?

Who?
Am I suppose to know who this is?

>>149223458
He was basically the Jeffrey Katzenberg of 80s Marvel comics. What made him a great businessman and made the company successful, made him the bane of all the creative 'real artist' types at marvel.

>>149223478
Yes, you are.

S

>>149223463
Comics and liquor are bad for you.

>>149223459
G.I. Joe as we know it almost certainly wouldn't exist either.

>>149223335
The modern marvel and DC comics could use a Jim Shooter. Sadly given how corporate and politicized the industry has become, I don't see that happening.

>>149222920 (OP)
Along with Stan Lee, one of the two greatest Editors in Chief there ever was or ever will be.

Rest in peace, Jim Shooter.

HOLY FUCK
MASSIVE RIP
NU-MARVEL'S CURRENT EDITORIAL COULD NEVER EVEN DREAM OF THE HEIGHTS SHOOTER REACHED
EVIDENCE BELOW
Shooter presided as Editor in chief over:
Chris Claremont and John Byrne's Uncanny X-Men
Frank Miller's Daredevil
John Byrne's Fantastic Four
Walt Simonson's The Mighty Thor
Roger Stern's Avengers and Amazing Spider-Man
Secret Wars
BIG JIM WILL ALWAYS LIVE ON

>>149222920 (OP)
RIP Legend, thank you.

>>149223275
>Stickied
Kek you got BTFO’d faggot

>>149223150
Even if anon gets a job at DC?

>>149223463
I think that the people that are involved in this industry have a pretty bad health. Jack Kirby died when he was 76, in 1994. But you also have guys like Ditko, 90 years old. Stan Lee was a vampire

>>149223275
Thread got stickied, you might as well kill yourself... NOW

>>149222920 (OP)
I thought this was Superman for a second. Rest in peace.

>>149223358
>According to the National Cancer Institute, only 4% of all government-allocated cancer research funds go towards pediatric cancer research
And they want to cut it down even more, unfortunate.

>>149222920 (OP)
that's the face of a hero
today's DC and Marvel need a guy like him now

>>149223508
>Chris Claremont and John Byrne's Uncanny X-Men
>Frank Miller's Daredevil
>John Byrne's Fantastic Four
>Walt Simonson's The Mighty Thor
>Roger Stern's Avengers and Amazing Spider-Man

And this is only the tip of the iceberg. Marvel under his tenure might have been THE greatest comics publisher to ever exist.

>>149223478
Not really, you can go back to your gooning threads bruh

>>149222920 (OP)
>sticky
Hell yeah

Fuck, RIP

>>149223539
Ditko was literally walking from an apartment to a studio(both rent controlled) every day, which also helped him stay active. He was also more social than people might think(not alot, but he wasn't a recluse)
Here's something from his walk outside his studio, btw

This makes me wonder. When old iconic comic creators die, the reaction is fairly unanimous. But what will things look like in 30 years when the more controversial creators of the last few decades die?

When Bendis or Quesada kick the bucket, I think there'll be a lot of people saying "good riddance". Which would be a bit of overreaction over some bad comic books, but it does make me wonder how the threads for those will look like.

I don’t read comics, respectfully who?

>>149222920 (OP)
Have zero idea who this is but see this image posted on this board a bit so F I guess

>>149222920 (OP)
>As of 2023, Shooter worked as consulting editor and freelance writer for custom comics company Illustrated Media
Well, time to update wikipedia...

>met him last year and Heroescon
>could have met him again two weeks again but got sick
shit

>>149223587
Respectfully, read the thread
The highlights are here and we're sub-100 posts

Well shit. Farewell to a legend.

>>149223539
Kirby famously loved his cigars. Stan Lee claimed to have just used cigarettes as an accessory and never inhaled.

Thank you mods for the sticky.

>>149223582
>When Bendis or Quesada kick the bucket, I think there'll be a lot of people saying "good riddance".

If it happens in 30 years? I'm not even joking when I say this, but no one will remember them.

>>149223582
It’s unfortunate how prioritized our negative energy is towards people who simply made pieces of media we didn’t like. That’s something I’ve been trying to get better at.

>>149223508
BASED STICKY
MODS KEEP THIS ONE LONGER THAN PAD, HE SHOULD'VE STAYED LONGER BUT OH WELL
Also Titania, and especially Volcana are....HOT.
I think I should probably read LoSH, his Valiant, some of the Starbrand stuff now. Also I've only heard and seen Gyrich in some books and what he does in Avengers but Shooter making up a military guy to thin out the Avengers like he did with Marvel itself is kinda funny.

>>149222977
I'm not a white man in an era where white men could just rock up anywhere and get anything with a firm handshake and some confidence

For me, it is Starbrand

>>149223508
Wait, was he really 6'7"? There are some legitimate criticisms one could make of him, but nobody could say he wasn't a chad with that face and that height.

Also
>Eyes: Two
>Hair: Yes

Classic.

>>149222920 (OP)
Oh shit, the only time I saw him was during the Toronto Fan Expo of 2017, he had a folder with his stuff, but I couldnt stop looking at his cheeks.

Can I get a QRD on his impact on comics in general?

>>149223582
>But what will things look like in 30 years when the more controversial creators of the last few decades die
No stickies unless the mod currently awake was a simp of them.

>>149223606
Quesada is immortalized through one more day

>>149223221
rip in piece to a real one

>>149222920 (OP)
RIP

>>149222920 (OP)
Damn. Was never that familiar with his work, but his editorial presence and the stories about him were a sight to behold. Feels like the last remnants of Marvel's (and the industry in general) soul are fading away every month.

RIP.

>>149223587
So imagine if Walt Disney wasn't around at the start of the animation industry, but instead got his own cartoon in the 60s as a 14 year old and went on to run a studio during its golden age.

>>149223582
>Bendis is dead.
>Who?
>You know, Bendis?
>Brian Michael Bendis?
>The comic writer?
>Yes?
>He's dead.
>He's dead?
>Yes.

>some literal who dies
>it gets stickied
god /co/ sucks

>>149223660
It's taking attention away from all the more worthwhile /co/ threads, like, uh.. uhhh....

>>149223478
Go watch Adventure Time or some other woke slop you dumb tranny zoomer

>>149223649
Wow, RIP.

>>149223673
A low-quality gooning thread died for this sticky . . .

Goddamn. I didn't even know he was sick. Dude was the boss.

>>149223047
Go back.

>>149223582
When Slott dies I'm throwing a block party.

>>149223557
80s DC mogs all those books

>>149223608
At least this one didn't need a struggle to get up.

>helps to create a highly ambitious project for Marvel in the late 80s with New Universe
>gets shafted
>happens three more times with Valiant, Defiant, and Broadway

Really sucks that the guy never got a fair shake and was pretty much ostracized from the industry by people who either didn't understand him or had something to gain by removing him

>>149223616
The Edward James Olmos skin unfortunately was a point against the chadness

>>149223463
Most of them are unhealthy as a rule and given that he died of esophageal cancer I'd assume he was a pretty big smoker (as most of them were).

>>149223616
Yeah dude was a giant. His coffin must be a bar table. I only joke because I feel he would appreciate it.

>>149223508
>>149223557
This makes me realize that Marvel is probably, to this day, living off of Shooter's legacy. Marvel's overwhelming dominance over DC, and their subsequent presence in the public consciousness, is due to Shooter's guidance over them. The stories Shooter presided over basically formed the groundwork for the MCU, leading to the vise-grip Marvel has on the public's entire imagination of superheroes.

Marvel, to this day, basically recycles plotlines and concepts from Shooter's era, and brings up things that happened when Shooter ran the company.

Marvel's current relationship to Jim Shooter is basically Apple's current relationship to Steve Jobs. Even in dismissal and death, Marvel lives off his corpse.

>>149223572
>He was also more social than people might think(not alot, but he wasn't a recluse)
Yeah I'm aware. I dislike the narrative that he was strictly a grumpy and reclusive man who hated everyone. People would send him many letters and he would eventually answer them. And even answer phone calls. He even was in good terms with his family. His public image is mostly based on misinformation

>>149223587
A tall man who wrote a very homophobic Hulk story. Obviously responsible for some of Marvel's best comics

>>149223723
It was politically motivated. He brought common sense back to a marvel captured by the politics of the 60s hippie movement, and the hippies resented and hated him forever for it.

>>149223752
They absolutely are. Big Jim brought marvel to their absolute height.

>>149222920 (OP)
I actually liked his New Universe series. Rest in peace Jim.

>>1492229
is the stuff he wrote at 14 worth reading?

>>149222920 (OP)
After his response to OMD I was sincerely hoping he'd see some change for the better before his passing, obviously that's not a priority in the grand scheme but it would have been a sign of good things.
Alas, here we remain, RIP.

Fuck me. RIP Big Jim, now there's no one left who could possibly save Marvel

>>149223748
You know what issue this is in?
It's kinda weird, but I like to pick up issues with funny things like this in the letters column.

>>149223003
Was he the one who signed off on the story about Carol getting pregnant?

>>149223753
It really stinks that someone telling people to do their damn jobs is somehow controversial

F

I hope you're chewing out work shy hippies somewhere Jim

>>149223582
I think most people will be footnotes at best. Sure, people like Gaiman, Ellis, Millar, McFarlane, Jim Lee, Johns, Bendis and Ennis will be remembered as key figures of the last 30 years in comics. But no one's gonna give a shit when someone like Dan Slott kicks the bucket.

>>149222920 (OP)
RIP

Wonder how John Byrne feel about this.

>>149223775
Well the funny thing is nobody really knows how that story happened really but ultimately he was the one who took the blame in any case.

>>149223753
I'm not going to say Shooter wasn't a bit of a homophobe, but can you really say that story itself is when it was based on his own experience when he was living at a YMCA?

>>149223384
>game knows game
Mark, you crybaby beta faggot, you will never be a fraction of the man that Jim was.

>>149223786
Jim would've taken the blame anyway. The buck stops with him

>>149223458
Shooter was a fixer - he was essential when things needed fixing but, as many creators have said, he devolved into a micromanager, a nitpicker and a control freak when things were going smoothly. Probably why he kept getting ousted from his positions down the line.

>>149223810
That was basically his logic for the whole mess.

>>149223796
Yeah he based it on accidents that happened to him and a friend haha

>>149223773
holy based

>>149223458
>I'd say that Stern is the almost perfect Shooter-style writer.

Stern's basically one of the best COMICS writers anyways. Put him on anything and he'll do it right and he'll do it well. Oh god he's 74.

>>149223616
This >>149223690 is another good one.
>>149223478
John Byrne?
>>149223508
Shooter also handed Budiansky and O'Neil the Transformers comic treatment he devised. I don't know too much about who created what but he surely contributed to the overall plot. O'Neil came up with Optimus's name.
He also presided over the legendary Hama G.I. Joe run as well. So that's another set of franchises he influenced.
Finally he created Julia Carpenter, Beyonder, and Parasite as other big original characters of his. Julia especially since he got that costume from Randy Schueller in pic rel, which we all know led to the Lethal Protector himself.
>>149223622
He set in motion a lot of the good and bad present in comics today, some of it knowingly and a lot unknowingly. He made a lot of kino and set in motion a loy of kino. Secret Wars 2, Avengers 200, and New Universe were the only clunkers he was involved in that I know of.

>>149223815
He was a wartime editor. He had no idea what to do or why he was doing it whenever it was peacetime.

>>149222920 (OP)
F

>>149222920 (OP)
Rest in peace, Jim. You were too pure for this world.

I hope we get a storytime of some of Shooter's stuff like when PAD died. At least the Sun-Eater/Fatal Five story from Adveture Comics and the Korvac Saga.

>>149223838
I bet Marvel stationary these days doesn't have Spider-Man on it.

>>149223275
Backseat mods like you should get raped to death with broken bottles.

>>149223753
Ditko's reputation was twisted by journos who didn't get and/or like that he didn't want to do interviews.

>>149223047
more like based retard.

>>149223690
lmao. A lot of overcompensation energy here.

>>149223838
>John Byrne?
He quite famously disliked Claremont and Shooter stepping on his contributions. One Colossus page really broke his camel.

Thinking about storytiming Avengers #200 later
Should I do it here or in a different thread?

>>149223883
Also there was a lot of bias against Ditko from the very beginning for his admiration for Ayn Rand.

>>149223539
They're gonna have to bury this dude in a piano crate.

>>149223920
Different thread.

>>149222920 (OP)
Rest in peace, legend.

>>149223833
Right but he learned under Shooter. All of those guys like him, Gruenwald, DeFalco, even ones like Claremont and DeMatteis and the like did.

>>149223920
Maybe wait a little bit. It would be disrespectful to storytime one of the mans mistakes so soon after he died.

>>149223918
No yeah I know. I was making the joke that all the dumbass anons in this thread trying to shit on Shooter was just John Byrne. At least there isn't an effigy they're trying to burn.
>>149223887
Anon is envious of Shooter's ability to juggle and to also not care about what other people think.

>>149223948
Let's be real, if Millar kicked the bucket the catalog would be treating it as if SDCC came early

>>149223877
Harsh, but true

>>149223948
Honestly just wait for SOP week
The Carolpost was just a joke anyway

>>149222920 (OP)
F
HE WAS A STRAIGHT SHOOTER

>>149223756
he was a straight up asshole who never cared who he pissed off, no one wanted to work with him regardless of politics but the politics definitely didn't help

Rest in peace tard wrangler

RIP to a real one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5nyn_lJJ-8

I don't normally storytime capeshit but if you got any quick recs, I could see if I could do it for this thread (it'd be a sin for this to be yet ANOTHER comic sticky thread that couldn't reach the bump limit)

>>149223998
....okay yeah I can see Shooter definitely a libertarian and wow, Eric July beat Marvel to it
That's kind of sad

>>149224002
Adventure Comics #346, his first published work.

>>149223980
What makes one a great businessman, usually makes them a very difficult person to work with. See also Katzenberg for Disney and Dreamworks.

RIP
Damn, it was amazing getting to meet him while I could. This was from my one and only time going to a convention.

>>149223047
Holy mother of based

Genuinely asking and meaning no disrespect, what did this guy do to be beloved? just to be informed on him.

Damn. RIP, Big Jim. I guess nobody's coming to save us now.

>>149223920
At least have the decency to storytime something people liked. Do one of his earlier Avengers stories, or something from his Legion run.

>>149224027
Incredible

>>149223047
>Hated racism
>But also hated gays
Was Shooter religious by any chance?

>>149224034
Kept the hippie faggots at Marvel in line

>>149223815
his biggest problem is that he basically had no off switch. He was incapable of easing off the throttle when a "my way or the highway" approach was no longer necessary, and other editors would have just let things be. Whipping everyone into shape is a good thing when they need it, but when the skies are blue and clear, relentlessly cracking the whip just damages morale and alienates the troops.

>>149223678
>You now realize that when one of the fags that created any of that slop croaks, we'll have a week (if not a month) long sticky

>>149224027
Damn, I went to a swap meet earlier this year and someone was selling the same thing for around $200. Can't imagine how much it's going to go for now.

>>149222920 (OP)
Goodbye man. You will be remembered.

>>149224034
Quality control
He was strict, harsh, and might have screwed over one of your favorite characters/runs but it was under the need of the greater pragmatic good
Avengers #200 not withstanding
IIRC there was a lot of office drama at the time with junkies and shit so Jim tard wrangling them made Marvel the better company

>>149223047
>>149224043

>>149223752
>Marvel's current relationship to Jim Shooter is basically Apple's current relationship to Steve Jobs. Even in dismissal and death, Marvel lives off his corpse.
It is in a way except Jim actually knew how to create the products he was selling and was very good at it.

>>149224034
He oversaw a lot of Marvel's best work. But, arguably more important to 4chan, he hated gay people and made the liberals who worked under him miserable.

No way, glad I git his autograph a couple years ago. He was so damn tall.

>>149224070
I hope so. I have a lot of dancing/celebration gifs.

>>149224034
He was a great Editor in Chief that presided over the company during its greatest years in the 80s. He was strict on deadlines, strict on continuity (he was one of the last EICs to care), and he kept some of the more retarded ideas in the minds of their creators where they belonged.

>>149224034
You know how people say they could write better than the people in the industry? When Shooter was 14 he wrote DC a letter saying that, and then proved it. He created a number of characters there, wrote several iconic moments like the first race between Superman and Flash, and wrote stories with a degree of depth when the rest of the company was happy churning out slop just good enough to hold a seven year old's attention for 15 minutes.
Then a turned 18 and went to Marvel to do be an editor and do the things people associate with him.

>>149224083
>IIRC there was a lot of office drama at the time with junkies
First time hearing this. I can see why he was needed

Shooter era is the best period of Marvel.

No one ever identified the driver of the car that ran over Bill Mantlo...

>>149224034
He was an absolute professional who ensure strict quality control and was responsible by some of the greatest stories in comics history by doing so.

>>149224141
Yeah I also think there were some new age religious cult types as well
The 70's were weird

I hung out and had drinks with Shooter at a comic con about 15 years ago. He wasn't selling anything, wasn't charging for autographs, just sat at this table with a large album full of all his DC/Marvel/Valiant memorabilia. Whenever someone came up to talk to him, he'd flip to that in the book and tell all these behind the scene stories. I spent hours there talking, even after the convention closed, about his editorship, New Universe, Solar, etc.
I had always heard horror stories about the guy cause the writers/artist under him were petty and talk to much, but hands down he was the coolest person in the industry I've ever spoken with - RIP Jim

>>149222920 (OP)
Forgive me, I do not read cape comics.
Who was he?

>>149222920 (OP)
It's so fucking over for comics

>>149224074
Unless it was signed like Anon's it was overpriced. It usually runs about $150.

>>149223047
This is actually untrue. This policy never technically existed (though a partially similar one did). It SHOULD have existed though. And NO ONE "considered" it "homophobic". That is pure revisionism.

>>149223796
>>149223823
>In 1969 Shooter was accepted into New York University, but after graduating from high school he successfully applied for a job at Marvel Comics. Unable to pursue both his studies and work for Marvel, he decided against going to New York University and quit working for DC as well.[17] While at Marvel he worked as an editor and occasional co-plotter, taking his residence at the YMCA, but after only three weeks his financial situation compelled him to give up the post and return home to Pittsburg
IN THE SWELTERING SUMMER OF '69

RIP

>>149224149
lol shut up

>>149224002
The Green Lantern comic where he literally shoots himself in the foot.

>>149223384
>game knows game
What an unbelievable faggot.

The GOAT who gave Marvel its best years, both sales and quality-wise.
>It shoud be noted that early in the sales year Marvel had instituted a policy of canceling any continuing newsstand color title featuring whose average per-issue sales were less than 125,000 copies. It wasn't because titles selling less than 125,000 were unprofitable. According to Jim Shooter, Marvel's editor-in-chief at the time, break-even sales for newsstand titles were just above 80,000 copies an issue. The reason for the new policy was that resources were considered better spent on new titles with hopefully more commercial appeal.

I hadn't heard of Shooter before browsing /co/ since I've never been too interested in comic books, let alone Marvel ones, but I've respected him ever since you fags introduced him to me. Believe he created the original concept for Transformers as well (not counting the original Takara toys)
Godspeed, you magnificent bastard

>>149224034
When he was editor in chief he did his job and expected the same of others.
Naturally this would not stand and John Byrne, who once banned someone from his forum for attending a funeral without his permission, held a party in celebration.

I'm coloring his dissenters admittedly, but only because they have a neon palette.

>>149224043
That was a common trend back then, keep in mind the Klan was very active back then

Don't forget that even if he thought the writers were morons he did stand up for them when it came to royalties and rights over their own works.

>>149223061
He was management, you absolute faggot. His writing work was relatively minimal.

>>149224204
What happened to Bill was not funny
I'd expect Jim's ghost to still have a conscience

>>149224221
jej

>>149224211
Jumped the gun
>*in celebration of him being fired.

>>149224215
Weirdly enough some writers did the opposite, like John Byrne.

>>149223752
>Marvel's current relationship to Jim Shooter is basically Apple's current relationship to Steve Jobs. Even in dismissal and death, Marvel lives off his corpse.

This is such a perfect analogy that I'm surprised that I never saw it used before. That's EXACTLY what Shooter was: The Steve Jobs of comics.

>>149224065
I assume that part of it was because he was the liaison between the suits and creatives and as Marvel started growing dominant in the secod half of his tenure and the pressure was there from the suits for more money and multimedia shit while he's getting blamed for screwing over Kirby despite trying to fight for better pay and royalties and shit, he woud up cracking. And for him, cracking meant coming down hard on the creators because he didn't really know what else to do. Especially because by the last few years, Jim Galton kept wanting to expand the line (but also wanted production costs down) while Shooter wanted less books because he thought that expanding was causing the overall quality of the books to fall.

There's the story about him and Romita meeting with one of the New World execs shortly after the purchase where they argue about how they should cut down the line for those exact reasons and the exect just goes "well we're not doing that, actually we want ten new books" and Shooter, according to Romita, looked like he wanted to kill himself. I think that embodies why he went like he did. He wanted to maintain quality but it was hard doing that while trying to go along with the demands of the suits to put out more books and it caused him to go overboard on his worst traits because of the pressure he was under.

>>149223582
Marvel and DC will be dead before any of them are.

>>149223756
>>149223980
It had nothing to do with politics. He told everyone that if they missed a deadline they were fired. They HATED having to treat comics like an actual job.

>>149222920 (OP)
F

favorite quote on his?

>>149223539
Ramona Fradon lived up to 97 and died after like one month of retirement

>>149223582
kek I'm sure there are plenty of people on xitter saying "good riddance" to Shooter

>>149223998
Fuck off you worthless cum stain.

>>149224122
We need a guy like him now more than ever. Someone who would really slap down guys like slott or bendis

>>149224301
Someone already posted the image but
>Open note to Joe Quesada and the Marvel creative staff: If you don't understand the who the characters in your care are, call me and I'll clue you in. Yes, that's a snarky comment. Yes, I'm that appalled by the thing

>>149224270
>shit while he's getting blamed for screwing over Kirby
When he quit marvel, Kirby seemed to hate Lee, John Byrne and Roy Thomas more.
I don't think he threw shit at shooter

>>149224301
Nuff said

>>149222920 (OP)
I am thankful I was able to apologize to him even if only through email

>>149223489
Were villains in toyline original franchises a thing before Cobra?

>>149224221
>>149224149
>I think that we comics people, fans every one of us, tend to see things in terms of good guys and bad guys, heroes and villains. It usually isn’t that black and white. Bill did some things that were very wrong for reasons known only to him and incomprehensible to me. He did many good things, too. Whatever mistakes he made, whatever flaws he had, his talent was a boon to our field of endeavor. He deserves a great deal of credit, respect and admiration. He certainly did not deserve the tragic accident that befell him.
>Once again, here is a link to a page where you can PayPal donations to help with Bill’s care
;_;

>>149224346
I have to wonder
Would any of Shooter's tactics work today or has times changed too much?

>>149224215
This is the part that I never got. He did more for creator rights and making sure everyone "got theirs" than a lot of people before him. Yeah you were gonna have to work for them, you were gonna have to tow the company line but you were gonna get it. Creators, and not saying they never had any reason to be mad at stuff, just always seem to have this insane idea that they didn't need to do their jobs. Like any other line of work you'd get shit canned.

>>149224194
It was signed.

>>149223047
When he went to NYC at 14 he stayed at the YMCA
I don't approve but I understand

>>149224354
Not sure! That's a good point.

>>149223061
He founded Epic to cover non-capeshit you fucking tourist

>>149224342
Who DOESN'T hate John Bryne?

>>149224367
You kidding? Any editor that so much as poo poo'd an idea and made sure someone had to keep a deadline and they'd be all on social media whining about what a slave driver her was. For as much as creatives then were whiners today it's FAR worse

>>149224367
If you fired LITERALLY EVERYONE then you could make it work. Just not at DC or Marvel. They're too far gone at this point.

>>149223047
based to the max

RIP Jim. I understand why he was a sticking point for the creatives but he led arguably the best age of Marvel and was the reason the lights stayed on. Godspeed.

When Jim Shooter got to write the Legion book again in 1976, he wrote profiles for all of the members- and perhaps most interestingly the sex lives of most of the characters are a part of the profiles
https://www.legionworld.net/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=592096#Post592096

>Saturn Girl - is a wild, wild woman in bed, who undoubtedly has occasionally accompanied Lightning Lad on his forays into Dream Girl's boudoir.
>Triplicate Girl/Duo Damsel - there were some jokes made about the two for one bit long before B.B. courted D.D. -- probably the Legion guys were afraid of messing with D.D. because of the razzing they'd get, werd sex humor and suspicion of troilistic perversion, etc. I'm sure D.D. got some funny looks occasionally from the Legionnaires. A girl with a power so weirdly suited to weird sex (and not much else) has reason to wonder what's aid behind her backs.
>Chameleon Boy- he can identify with beauty the other Legionnaires misss. He could turn up with a shaggy, horned alien chick as easily as Elwinda. Liberal, he is -- even philosophical. And probably a little kinky.
>Star Boy- dumb. And probably hung like a horse, which will be the deciding factor in Dream Girl's settling down with him
>Shrinking Violet - She gets all her weird sex from Duplicate Boy and waiting and worrying just makes it sweeter.
>Ultra Boy- makes gentle, tender (and expert) love to Phantom Girl and saves his occasional forays into the bizarre for someone less angelic to him -- say, Dream Girl.
>Light Lass a good match for Timber Wolf when who needs a non-dominant, pleasant and patient girl. I think she is actually very feminine. She used to wear high heels!

>Dream Girl - is dumb. Her power is more or less hit or miss in value , and I'm sure her main service to the Legion is in her quarters after dark.She needs constant reassurance of her value,...the only way to get psychologically stroked is to allow herself to be physically stroked.

>>149223047
>Le based!!
I hate you election faggots so goddamn much.

>>149224043
Do you imagine Atheists hated blacks and loved gays back then?

>>149224043
He didn't really hate gays, it's just that he feared gay stuff wouldn't be marketable enough for comics during the 80s. The anti-racism stuff didn't really bother no one then.

>>149224346
Might be the best bit of writing in Marvel's history

>>149222920 (OP)
>i thought mark waid died
thanks for getting my hopes up, OP

>>149224130
>Then a turned 18 and went to Marvel to do be an editor and do the things people associate with him.
He worked as an editor for Marvel for less than a month. He was broke and getting paid shit so he left comics completely to do advertising work. He likely would have never gone back to comics if he hadn't done an interview with a fanzine which got him an offer to come back to DC to write Superman and the Legion again. But he was treated like shit there so left to join Marvel in 1976 and got lucky that the shitty editorial situation and Lee moving to L.A. opened up the path for him to become EIC with minimal interference (at first, at least).

>>149224367
Marvel today is a club of idiots who WISH they were anything like the creatives there during the 70s but are basically people writing paid fanfiction (and I say that to indicate the quality of their writing). Any attempt to break that up and get back to good writing would be met with extreme hostility.

>>149224406
>Dream Girl - is dumb. Her power is more or less hit or miss in value , and I'm sure her main service to the Legion is in her quarters after dark.She needs constant reassurance of her value,...the only way to get psychologically stroked is to allow herself to be physically stroked.

>>149224354
He-Man was from around that time, and was made as an answer to Star Wars.

>>149224164
Yeah, I keep seeing that if you were aroud him at a con he'd be more than happy to talk your ear off with stories about the old days.

>>149224262
But he died of cancer, not ligma.

>>149224367
You could do it the the writers. They aren't talented enough to go work some where else (like write movie script or novel)
But then the editor would have to be talented and do work by FIXING the shitty scripts and ideas that writers give him

>73
sheit

>>149224411
>le cringe

>>149224420
80s Marvel Bullpen
>Look Chris, ya just can't give Mystique a fucking cock. All right?
>You're stifling creative freedom, Jim!
>I WILL STIFLE MY FOOT IN YOUR ASS, BRYNE, IF YOU DON'T SHUT THE FUCK UP!!

>>149223431
Holy fuck anon that's amazing

>>149224211
>who once banned someone from his forum for attending a funeral without his permission
Every time I think I've heard all the ridiculous Byrne stories, a new one crops up.

>>149222920 (OP)
Red Pill a poor dumb fag on Jim Shooter.

>>149223408
Or will

Imagine having to work under Mort Weisenger and get called a faggot by that notorious prick and then go on to work as an editor in chief and deal with petty office drama like having to fire Peter David because one of your editors (Owsley) hired him from the sales team and other writers/editors got mad this happened which then enrages the editor (Owsley) who you kinda get along with but also put on a Spidey book which then leads to more drama and Owsley himself dealing with a lot of shit. Being the chief didn't sound easy but he did probably the best anybody could do.
PAD still ended up defining Hulk in the end anyway, lol.
Still unsure of how much Owsley and Shooter fucked up on each end but it is fascinating.
Here's a joke memo Owsley sent to Shooter.

>>149224354
Yes, though not super common. the 70's Joe line had alien villains, and the Big Jim at Mattel had some villains.
I know Micronauts had villains as well, though that was adapted for Marvel comics, I think the villains were already made up

>>149224445
>ligma
Who the hell is Steve Jobs?

>comic shit
Boring!!!
/co/ has been cartoon turf since the release of Gravity Falls and Star Vs

>>149223582
I'm gonna be frank
The only comic creators I can see whose death would cause a sticky to reach bump limit are Alan Moore, Rob Liefeld, and Ken Penders.
Not Simonson
Not Miller
Not Millar
Not Ennis
Not Ellis
Not Bendis
Not McFarlane
Not Busiek
Not Kirkman
Not Mignola
Not Morrison
But those three simply because they're the ones who the secondaries, casuals, and outside observers (who outnumber us) know about the most through second hand discussion and memes

>>149222920 (OP)
He is Jump editor born in wrong place

>>149224490
>the 70's Joe line had alien villains,
Huh, weird
Did they sell poorly?
I know Hasbro just expected kids to play with the original ARAH Joes and didn't think they'd bother with an actual enemy to fight

>>149224504
What is /co/ short for?

>>149224083
>>149224141
Ann Nocenti was clearly one of the junkies yet she was not only allowed to stay but was put on a pedestal as "that one token female superhero comics writer". Though that was probably a bit after Shooter's itme.

>>149224504
>Loona
Absolutely disgusting, gtfo casual

>>149224428
I was simplifying and omitting the time he wasn't in comics to emphasize that he was already very noteworthy both at a young age and before moving to his more influential career.

>>149222977
The fact that its current year +25. The beauty of these budding industries were that there were no rules or standards to get in so they were looking for anybody who was willing to put in the work, and those people would end up building the entire foundation of what we see today. Now however every major industry is filled with gatekeepers and people who """"""""know""""""" what it takes to make it into any industry and set a bunch of arbitrary rules. A 14 year old now would have to have already made a hit comic book series to get a shot at getting in.
Not posting this as an excuse for anons not to try pushing for your dreams, its just that were playing a different game now where you basically gotta rebuild the wheel cause most of the gatekeepers are fucking shit up.

>>149224484
Why is every other story of Marvel's 70s/80s staff just taking the piss out of each other?

>>149224420
>The anti-racism stuff didn't really bother no one then.
Didn't he want a LOSH hero to be black but was denied because it'd negatively affect sales?
Wasn't Franklin in Peanuts a big deal for the time?

>>149224359
I didn't realize that Shooter and Mantlo had some kind of beef. What happened there?

>>149223608
Volcana taught me I liked big women

RIP Jim Shooter. It took a strong man, and a strong stomached man, to ride the bronco that was Marvel Comics back then. May he find good coffee in heaven.

>>149224529
Ann has looks.

>>149224484
Damn, I didn't realize Priest was always based.

>>149224490
>I know Micronauts had villains as well, though that was adapted for Marvel comics, I think the villains were already made up
The Acroyears which were also the villains in the original Microman toyline but Mantlo reimagined Acroyear as a hero which got carried over through later depictions in the West (outside of a Robot Chicken sketch) while in Japan, they're still firmly a villain whenever they do show up

>>149224412
I mean, Billy Graham?

>>149224406
>matter eater lad
>Shooter: A student, a scholar, a leader type, but not in the Legion. He is heroic and loyal and dedicated and intelligent and clever and too valuable to be out of place in the Legion. As a Legionnaire he brought up the rear and his valuable qualities were largely wasted in a context where they were not in demand. One doesn't negotiate with Mordru. He is a fine person who had to come from behind, in the sense of having a dismal background, to succeed -- he has, and will
He really is his self insert

>>149222920 (OP)
I didn't know how good we had it. The 80's Marvel I grew up on was different and exciting because of him. Valiant was great because of his vision. Thanks Jim. The best Straight Shooter we've ever had!

>>149224529
She started writing books while he was still EiC. Being weird's fine as long as you deliver everything on time.

>>149224406
How old are they again?
Don't let twitter see this

>>149222920 (OP)
Rest in piece big guy.

>>149222920 (OP)
RIP

>>149224505
I could see Ennis getting to the bump limit, but only because of pro vs anti-Ennis shitflinging

>>149223328
They actually didn't even get to make Element Lad gay; they made his girlfriend trans/de transition back to her make form and were banned from getting them back together as a gay couple

>>149224541
Too many immigrants, too many shitters in positions of power holding people back. Talent has a lot more obstacles, but all is not lost - GO FORTH CREATORS!!!

>>149224505
Stonetoss, Dobson, etc kicking the bucket would probably sooner fill up a sticky than anyone there

>>149224464
Cockrum was the Mystique futa guy

There are some recent videos on Youtube of Jim criticizing the shit writing and wokeslop on some comic con. He made some good points.

RIP Jim.

>>149224529
>that one token female superhero comics writer
She's also the only good one Marvel's ever had

What's up with /co/ having so many newfaggots all of a sudden? Can we get out board split please.

>>149224603
Being weird was her best feature. It's moreso that I think her stories were pretty heavy-handed and get generally overrated for the novelty factor of being done by a female writer.

>>149222920 (OP)
I guess he's Jim Shooted now

>>149224622

>Element Lad - Jan Arrah

>Shooter: Hmm. An introvert who covers with snappy patter! Could be gay, who knows? He is confident, almost arrogant. He has a right to feel very special, and his is an overwhelming power.

>Bierbaums: Came out of a society that had to teach their offspring from infancy not to turn their playmates into molybdenum anytime they get into a fight over the tinker toys. So he's a youth of vast discipline and spirituality. That's meant all these years he's been secretly, methodically dealing with the unspeakable horror of Roxxas' slaughter, coping in his own intensely private way. That's meant there's such disconnect between Jan's physical impulses and what his mind allows him to act upon, that questions of sexuality (yes, he's gay) are almost irrelevant.

>>149224561
Mantlo got Marvel in hot water with Harlan Ellison because one of his Hulk stories was basically plagiarized from one of Ellison's stories.

>>149224504
Piss off you pathetic waste of semen.

>>149222920 (OP)
Jim was the fucking man. The last true visionary editor marvel had.
God bless sir. Rest in peace.

>>149224467
We need the story behind this.

>>149224505
Millar will be noticed because at least people will remember him as the creator of Kick-Ass and Kingsman.
Ennis, because he made the Boys and because casuals absolutely loathe Crossed.
Kirkman, because like it or not the Walking Dead was a big piece of pop culture in the 2010s. And mayyybe Invincible.

>>149224610
Honestly I barely see capeshitters seethe over Ennis here compared to say comic twitter which is full of zoomers going "EEWWWWW" like schoolgirls whenever someone posts The Boys or Crossed

>>149223960
You're not wrong

>>149224676
>>149224681
>casuals absolutely loathe Crossed
You don't have to be a casual to hate it. Just having a speck of taste is enough.

Marvel peak when he's in charge. After that, they went downhill

>>149224484
The Bob Layton thing always cracks me up. This is how Layton looked like in the 80s
If you're a Transformers fan, Mark Bright(who died last year) painted the Shockwave cover that's the best Transformers image every made.

>>149224639
Louise Simonson and Jo Duffy were also good and made up the talented woman-writer trio of Shooter's Marvel.

>>149224435
The various Legion writers hated Dream Girl because she hit on Lightning Lad in an early story so she was a slut as far as they were cocerned, also because her powers weren't really fit for action stories. But she was always popular with the fans which culminated in them voting her as leader around the time of the Great Darkness Saga in revenge for the writers portraying Wildfire like shit when he'd been voted leader previously. Basically "oh, you had characters shit on a guy we liked because you personally hated him? Well we're voting the cahracter you REALLY hate as leader because fuck you."

RIP Jim, you tried to bring order in world of chaos. Your contribution will not be forgotten in the comic world and perhaps, someone will come to attempt to rein in the errors of today.

>>149222920 (OP)
We lost a real one

>>149224629
>Too many immigrants
not in comics kek, they stay in their country where American money goes further

>>149224594
Nah
Starbrand was

>>149224676
Invincible in the 2020's has more memes than The Walking Dead in the 2010's but regardless, I don't see their deaths hitting a bump limit.
/co/ is one of the more active boards but it's slower than /v/ and /a/, has also slowed down drastically in the past few years, AND the comic side is a minority.
Kirkman, Ennis, and Millar dying would have attention but it wouldn't be a huge deal specifically here the same way someone whose notoriety transcends comics as an audience would.

>>149224687
Yeah sure but people narrow Ennis as "Cranky Irish guy who hates superheroes and religion"
Which yeah is accurate but he's done a lot more as well

>>149224658
>Harlan’s damages, by statute, would have been in the hundreds of thousands of dollars, and he had us dead to rights. But, he said he’d settle for the same money as Bill was paid to “write” the script, an acknowledgement, plus a lifetime subscription to everything we ever published. Done. Thank you, Harlan.
I'm betting this also led to his writing some Hulk and Daredevil.

>>149224550
>Didn't he want a LOSH hero to be black but was denied because it'd negatively affect sales?
Yes, Ferro Lad. Him being denied it led to him deciding to kill off Ferro Lad in a heroic sacrifice in protest which wound up being one of the single most influential superhero stories ever written.

>>149224576
The character that Mojo transformed into Spiral? That's Ann. As in, Art Adams drew her to exactly resemble Ann and Claremont wrote her as Ann.

>>149224561
Mantlo was convinced Shooter was out to get him, which he probably was since it was Shooter who had to deal with other writers like Barry Windsor-Smith and Harlan Ellison complaining about Mantlo ripping them off on top of him thinking Mantlo was just mediocre at best anyway.

>>149224741
There is a weird feeling about that.

>>149224707
>also because her powers weren't really fit for action stories.
Various members of the Legion have this problem, for example MEL power is strong but he lacks secondary ones to put his mouth for good use.

>>149224545
People were less sensitive. Well they were sensitive and pissy but if you did something to piss them off, they'd just retaliate by drawing you as a spineless clown in their comic or something instead of going around and claiming you're a nazi rapist who should be unpersoned.

>>149224730
>Lifetime subscription
God damn

>>149224301
>"Shut the fuck up, Byrne."

I'm glad I met him. Putting some gentleness to the rumors anon creates makes me feel better.

I met him last April and again this April. He was so cool to talk to.

>>149224172
You also don't read the fucking thread before posting you faggot

>>149224722
Both are, Matter Eater Lad parents even waste all his money gambling.

>>149224522
>In some alternate universe, Jim Shooter oversee a Marvel Team Up issue with Spider-Man & City Hunter.

>>149224634
>mfw Dobson dying would get him stickies across half the site

>>149224561
>>149224658
Besides the Ellison story, Shooter says Mantlo would swipe other stories, with another big issue being that Mantlo saw Barry windsor-Smith's Hulk backstory that explained a history of abuse as a child by his father. He saw pages of it and depending how you saw it, either decided to implement that into his run figuring it was fair game since it was going to be introduced later, or just plain decided to take the story.
BWS was insulted by this and would leave Marvel due to it, taking the story with him and reworking it over the next 40 years into a graphic novel.

>>149224206
Kesel was kind of a bastard for that but I laughed my ass off at the mockery of Star Brand lifting the oil tanker while saying "I have the power to create a NEW UNIVERSE" at the time

>>149224025
Okay, gonna start

>>149224668
Not sure if it's the same, but there was a story that really shows how weird Byrne is.
>Well-known forum member dies
>Everyone learns the forum member lived with his elderly mother and was her only financial support
>Bunch of them pitch in and raise a bunch of money for the lady
>There's a thread explaining someone went to the funeral and presented the money to the old lady as a gift from the John Byrne forums
>Byrne finds out
>Goes fucking ballistic over it, because apparently it was done without his consent and they made it seem as if he had a part in it
>Bunch of people get banned over it

And well, there's also that story about a forum member debating with him, and taking a few days off because his mom died... Only for Byrne to say his mom dying isn't an actual excuse for failing to answer in the thread.

>>149224211
I love John for all the good things he did but an artist going blind from cataracts is some fucking karma right there

>>149224206
>Guy Gardner embrasses Starbrand

>>149224762
>if you did something to piss them off, they'd just retaliate by drawing you as a spineless clown in their comic or something instead of going around and claiming you're a nazi rapist who should be unpersoned.
Shooter going all-out on roasting Steve Gerber in Secret Wars II.

>>149224592
Superstar billy graham three time world champ in AWA and heavy weight champion in WWF? One of the biggest names in 1970s wrestling? THAT billy graham?
I don't know man

>>149222920 (OP)
>that Legion issue about the dead beat dad who takes his kids money
ouch Shooter

>>149224829
Gerber was a very unique man

>>149224470
Read the fucking thread you retard

>>149224208
>The GOAT who gave Marvel its best years, both sales

No, that was Tom DeFalco who presided over the bubble era of 1987 to 1994 that saw recorded-breaking sales fueled by speculators. Shooter set the stage for that, though.

Jim Shooter gave Marvel a gift and a curse with creating Events (with Mattel) via Secret wars crossover.

Events are great when in moderation. Overdoing them turns them into cancer like Chris Claremont has said before.

>>149224796
That GN would have been such a game-changed for the Hulk as a character that the editor really would be obliged to make the main Hulk writer of the time aware it was coming. If that writer then tried to beat the GN to the punch, that should have been the editor's job to say no, or pass the buck to the EIC if it got too heated.

And to be fair, there were a number of 70s and 80s Marvel stories were broadly derivative of something the writer had read or watched recently. They were just usually sensible enough to make it distinctive enough that they couldn't get sued.

>>149224262
Nah, Lee is a closer analogy to Jobs. Shooter was good but he wasn't the founder and face of the company. Lee didn't found what would become Marvel either, but his role and impact was much more like Jobs for Apple in that like Lee Jobs made himself synonymous with his company.

>>149224905
The real event that broke capeshit, was the first crisis, followed by death of superman

>>149223047
J.M. DeMatteis gave Captain America a gay friend while Shooter was EiC.

>>149224813
Jesus, Byrne. Why is he like this?

>>149224830
Reverend Billy Graham and Superstar Billy Graham the wrestler were two different guys.

>>149222920 (OP)
>the biggest man in comics

Fuckin' A.

>>149224948
Reslly?

>>149224757
Oh that's just plain fucked up, not weird. Chris was absolutely crushing on her at the time.

>>149224271
No, the Disney purchase guaranteed Marvel's immortality, with DC already under WB. Not because Marvel or DC make any money for their respective corporate masters, because they don't, but because it'd be bad PR to let them die.

>>149224940
You sort of get the impression that as soon as writers had a hard rule like that imposed on them, they started trying to break it out of sheer childish contrarianism.

>>149224796
>reworking it over the next 40 years
That's the most Barry story anyone could tell

>>149224149
It was very obvious a failed mob hit.

Now shut the fuck up.

>>149224504
>Loonatard is retarded
And water is wet

>>149224958
Afraid so, anon.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Graham
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%22Superstar%22_Billy_Graham

>>149224964
Pre-Crisis Karate Kid is BUSTED

>>149224972
>>149224796
>reworking it over the next 40 years

It was like 20+, but who's counting.

>>149224963
Well, wouldn't be the first time it happened. Ditko and Flo Steinberg were Peter and Betty Brant.

>>149224940
>>149224968
it wasn't a hard rule though

>>149224979
ENTER

>>149224940
>a gay friend
No
He was a flaming faggot sissy bachelor uncle caricature, it went well past "gay"

>>149224545
Must have been a fun place to work at sometimes. If you're writing jokes into stories a bunch then you gotta have a sense of humor in real life. Also it was smaller back then and less of a corporation.
>>149224566
Indeed. I like Titania too so I guess I like women who aren't too fat or buff, as long as they look soft or smooth without being ugly. Her and Absorbing Man alongside Molecule Man and Volcana on a double date would make for a fun issue. Sounds like a She-Hulk plot where she has to eavesdrop on them.
>>149224581
Sort of. There's other stories I can't remember except for where he did some cringe shit like the whole Spider-Man vs. Wolverine Hobgoblin, Ned Leeds fiasco. Also he said some weird things in later years but at least I heard his Black Panther semi-revived that character.

Just got to his era as EIC in the Untold Story. I'll really miss all his blogs and his interviews. He wasn't perfect but he ran a tight ship. And he cared.

Here's to a legend. ;_;7

>>149223772
Holy based! RIP to a real one

>>149225017
Honestly based

>>149224909
Ellison was also a bit of an ambulance chaser in regards to credit too. The story he wrote he claims Terminaor was plagiarized from barely resembles it.
And you're right that reusing story elements was hardly new, especially in serialized content where new material had to be cranked out.

>>149225022
>Molecule Man, who's realized he has the powers of a god
>Complete tearful titty baby for Marsha's approval and love
I felt called out

>>149225017
Early Kingsley in Stern's Spider-Man was absolutely flaming, back before he had the idea of making him the first Hobgoblin.

>>149224332
That's the original name your mother had in mind for you

And that's the end of the issue

>>149225096
Thanks anon

>>149225096
pretty good

>>149223732
It makes him look more rugged.

>>149222920 (OP)
RIP, 90's Valiant is underrated.

>>149225138
Reminder that he created Faith
Reminder that Faith isn't as bad as people say she is outside of her ongoing

>>149224972
>>149224992
He started in 85 and published it in 2021, that's nearly 40 years.
On that note, how the fuck does a guy like that make a living? He basically had nothing published between the late 90's and 2021, no credits and little reprints, Marvel pays dick on reprints. And I don't think he even does commissions.
BWS does stamp his original art on the back trying to say that any selling and purchasing of the work entitles him to a fraction of the sale, but no one listens to that.

>>149224505
I think Morrison will as well

>>149224603
Mob face Nocenti was cute. Also >>149224741 yeah, considering that and from what I hear she kinda self inserted a little with Typhoid Mary, like her more feminist ideas and frustrations with men? Not sure just the impression I get when hearing about it. Either way both of those girls are hot. Kinda weird if Claremont did that but hey Spiral is cool. First I heard of rumors that he liked Nocenti that way. Anyway, I hope Spiral gets over Longshot and ditches Mojo.
>>149224829
Holy kek. Wonder if Shooter ever saw the lunacy that is Gerber's Howard the Duck 2000's issues. That shit was degenerate and hippy as fuck.
Gerber can be based in some ways though and morally ambiguous or dumb in others. As much as I don't like Brevoort that Howard/Gambit/Spider-Man issue fiasco almost cost Brevoort his job though maybe Brevoort brought it on himself. Not sure.
>>149225066
I feel like I saw somewhere Shooter also liked Molecule Man and kinda inserted as him too. Maybe I'm wrong. Though his taste in Titania and Volcana is top notch.
Also holy fuck I forgot to mention but this >>149224406 is based. What did he say about Wazzo? I only know Legion stuff because of Wazzo Wednesdays and how much did Shooter contribute to Legion? I feel like I heard it was a lot.

>>149225152
Morrison definitely would've back when the board was in full hypercrisis mode but eh, I wouldn't count on current /co/ to pull through
I think Sakai might hit bump limit (though it's still a low chance) but only because Usagi Yojimbo gets annually storytimed with healthy traffic every time

>>149222920 (OP)
F

I have to wonder if Marvel or DC are going to do some sort of special for Jim passing away or at least release an anthology with his works?

Who do you think in the industry is celebrating this?
I'm talking like envisioning them partying with this playing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xx87PIYdYZ8

>>149225178
For Morrison I imagine our edgier /co/mrades will be falling over themselves to laugh at a dead troon.

>>149224505
Based retard

>>149223047
>bans fag shit
>marvel has the most prolific period since the 60s

>he told them to do their jobs
>artists and writers hated him for it
Shooter knew how artists think, he knew that if they're not on a leash they would kill themselves.

I am astonished that there's only been a single mention of Secret Wars II. Shooter did a lot of great things but SWII epitomizes the problems he had.

>>149225200
Who’s left in comics that would hate him? I feel for all of the shit we hear they’d clamber for actual leadership these days

>>149225215
When was the last time an industry death in comics caused a fully bumped sticky?

>>149225173
>Gerber can be based in some ways though and morally ambiguous or dumb in others. As much as I don't like Brevoort that Howard/Gambit/Spider-Man issue fiasco almost cost Brevoort his job though maybe Brevoort brought it on himself. Not sure.
Marvel started putting Howard the Duck in a bunch of comics around 1996 because someone in editorial liked him, Brevoort says he just reached out to Gerber to see if he wanted to come back to Marvel again and do a new Howard story, but Gerber felt Marvel were trying to make it look like the other stuff they were doing had his approval. Instead of just voicing his disapproval and refusing to come back, he did what he did. As much as I think Marvel would have been better off without Brevoort, I think he just got outwitted and played there.

>>149222920 (OP)
the most vindicated man of all time, its so funny how he was also autistically focused on power scaling. Marvel and DC will never let another guy like him exist

>>149225258
Perez

>>149222920 (OP)
F

>>149225255
>Kills the entire New Mutants then resurrects them in the next panel
>Claremont turns it into an actual character arc for the team

>>149225274
>still below 1k
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/130477078/#q130477078

>>149224034
he was Editor in Chief during Marvel's peak. Creatives hated him cause he actually made them do their job and did proper quality control, so as thanks for actually treating the gig as a proper writing gig with benefits, they burned an effigy of him. Unironically one of the few guys that tried to elevate the medium into something worth giving a shit about and paying attention to.

>>149225173
>As much as I don't like Brevoort that Howard/Gambit/Spider-Man issue fiasco almost cost Brevoort his job

Can you explain? What happened?

>>149225298
>It reached bump limit
>"but not 1000 posts"
Why change the goal post?

>>149225313
The post counter stops at 1000 even if the thread is still active

>>149225320
And?

>>149225327
That’s why he brings up 1000 posts specifically in this conversation, I don’t fully know what that really matters anon, ask him

>>149225327
Not him but from a pragmatic perspective, what's the point of a sticky if it can't reach a 1000 replies?
The average sticky reaches that number and more with ease but the death of notable comic figures on /co/ at most can barely scrape off past the bump limit of a regular thread

>>149224367
Shooter was literally just being a proper editor, he cracked the whip when writers started doing dumbshit as a proper editor does. A lot of comicbook writers simply can't make it higher as novelists or screenwriters so they'd have to go with the program if an editor did proper quality control

>>149222920 (OP)
>It's real
F

>>149225342
Is being a novelist that much better?
Specifically in America I mean

man
Comics and Graphic Novels DESPERATELY need new blood
COMPETENT new blood mind you

>>149225358
Too many people want to be writers
Not enough people want to be editors

>>149223608
>co-created Titania, Volcana and the Julia Carpenter Spider-Woman
>wrote an Avengers prose short story with really horny descriptions of Jan and Wanda
Truly, he was one of us.

>>149225354
being a successful novelist absolutely gets you more money and respect in the states.

>>149222920 (OP)
You were my perfect friend, right there until the end, I'm forever missing you until we meet again.

>>149222977
Holy fuck

>>149225384
Yeah but how many notable novelists can you name today who aren't decades long established?
How many novels today actually influence fiction as we know it to the same extent works prior did?

>>149223047
In the late 70's early 80's homosexuality was still an actual crime in a lot of the country and Marvel was still working within the Comics Code for their non direct titles and on paper the CCA still considered homosexuality to be a perversion. Having an open depiction of homosexuality in a comic could have that comic rejected by the CC which could have resulted in being late and fined by newsstand distribution (which still existed), if the issue was already printed it may have needed to be pulped, re-drawn/re-written and reprinted after the corrections. This is a LOT of potential money lost just to show something that most readers didn't want to see to begin with.

Shooter was just doing his job as EiC.

But this infamous Hulk gay rape story? That was based on his personal experiences staying at the YMCA when he'd come in from Pittsburgh to NYC for two days to get yelled at by Mort Weisinger about his LSH scripts.

>>149225310
In pic rel a story happens but there's a part where they go through a portal or something and Howard and Beverly (Howard's human gf) get spit back out in a Savage Dragon/Destroyer Duck (Destroyer Duck was a Gerber character he created with Jack Kirby) story and these characters are implied to be Howard and Beverly who then go by Leonard and Rhonda while in Marvel they are duplicates who are still named Howard and Beverly. Chip Zdarsky in like 2013 treated them as duplicates because he respected Gerber.
Point is, Marvel never treated this as canon and Gerber later killed Leonard and Rhonda off.
Brevoort explains his perspective here.
https://web.archive.org/web/20071012225015/http://www.wizarduniverse.com:80/magazine/wizard/002945056.cfm?page=8
This was talked about in one of the Clone Saga threads part of Magister's Spider-Man storytime threads.
Brevoort accidentally losing the rights to characters due to brand confusion and Gerber trying to use a story instead of legal stuff is kinda funny stuff and seems like something he would write in a Howard the Duck comic.

>>149225389
IIRC Shooter either lied about his age or Mort Weisinger, who hired him, initially thought he was a college student.

>>149225340
>Not him but from a pragmatic perspective, what's the point of a sticky if it can't reach a 1000 replies?
to not have a bunch of separate threads, duh.

>>149225422
If the thread couldn't generate a thousand replies, odds are the "multiple threads" would be two at most or the topic would've never taken over the board to begin with

What do we think of it?

>>149225441
GLORIFIED
TOY
COMMERCIAL

>>149222977
overpopulation

>>149225441
For a story that's a literal toy advertisement it's pretty fun. Some great Doom moments. Though it and Crisis led to the dark plague of Events, so that sucks.

>>149222920 (OP)
How do I get a Chad face like that?

>>149222977
PhD grads today are lucky to drive Uber

>>149223047
we lost a real one

>>149224411
and I hate faggots so goddamn much

>>149225337
>>149225340
Based oldfags

Shooter's outline for Transformers:
https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/jim-shooter-passes-away.1279573/#post-23478059

>>149225437
still annoying enough to make it worth putting one sticky. Peter David had multiple threads when he died, most of those only got one or two replies before defaulting to the thread that became a sticky. enough to bump a few threads off the board.
Plus most of these comic creator stickys tend to have short runs. PAD's lasted less than a day.

>>149225173
>how much did Shooter contribute to Legion? I feel like I heard it was a lot.

He created several members of the LSH but also realized that most of the LSH until then were all 'point and use their power' type so he created characters like Ferro Lad and Karate Kid who actually got up close and punched villains. He also created the Fatal Five who is arguably their best villains.

And his did this when he was fucking 13 years old.

>>149225441
>>149225476
Personally I lay the blame on the post-Crisis annual events of the late 80s-early 90s. Millennium especially comes to mind.

>>149225450
it led to a toyline which introduced a lot of characters to us kids, me and my brother included. the 60s and 70s had cartoons which helped expand their market, and newsstands. the importance of making occasional toy commercials was huge back then. now its movies and tv shows... that lead to video games and terrible comics

Assuming that was him in 2024, did he look appropriate for his age?

>>149225441
Events suck. They get bloated and have very little actual scale or depth to them. Secret Wars started the trend but it actually had the qualities most events should have.
It led to characters undergoing status quo shifts that stuck for a while, had a large scale, ended alright, and had kino moments that only happen during events. Pic rel is kino with Hulk protecting everybody and displaying his power in comparison to them. Events should have characters with personalities placed in a unique situation and not just be toys smashing against each other. This event does exactly that but each character plays off each other and the fights are cool and fit the characters while being creative. Titania is scared of Spider-Man after this, he gets a new costume, and thrashes the X-Men. Thing gets depowered, Wasp and Magneto have moments, and the heroes have to contend with Magneto joining them. Dr. Doom also gets explored and the villains also struggle to stay together. There's more that goes on which just shows that Secret Wars had more quality to it beyond just commercial stuff.
Also Battleworld is a great setting and Jim also created Contest of Champions which then informed the great JLA/Avengers Crossover's structure which was possibly the best way of handling that type of story.
>>149225539
>got close and punched
Jesus he really is a Shonen editor. They always want melee attacks in their stories.

>>149225575
I swear I saw him in another interview from a few years ago and he didn't look like that. It's scary how much an old person can change in a short amount of time.

>>149225575
appropriate for a giant man who got blasted with chemotherapy, yeah. He is literally dying of cancer in that image.
Being a giant is fucking horrible for your health too.

>>149222920 (OP)
Rip Big Man

>>149225620
>>149225611
How tall was he?

>>149225584
>>got close and punched
>Jesus he really is a Shonen editor. They always want melee attacks in their stories.
A team needs frontliners

>>149223047
Based Jim

>>149223047
>best era for Marvel Comics was the most homophobic
RIP to a legend

May he Rest In Peace.

>>149225441
It's everything comics should be desu. Just a big fun bashup with some neat character moments.

>>149225151
>He started in 85

He may have pitched the Hulk story in 85, but he didn't start on Monsters until like... what? 98?

>>149222977
I'm an autistic retard.

>>149224505
>Ken Penders

No one knows who the fuck this is.

>>149222920 (OP)
RIP

>>149222920 (OP)
Only 73 and from cancer, damn

(Wally Wood on the left, killed himself mere months after this picture was taken)

>>149225745
Ken Penders is a near nobody amongst diehard fans of superhero comics, indie comics, etc but that doesn't matter when him and the lawsuit between him, SEGA, and Archie is so infamous it breaches into discussion amongst people outside of comics.

>>149225637
6'7

>>149225786
He was a big guy

Call me silly but Irredeemable is what got me into American comics. RIP

>>149225151
He was working for a small publisher overseeing translations into different languages. He also did a lot of consulting work

>>149225745
He used to be a bigger deal, but there's still plenty of bitter feelings left around for his eventual death thread to hit the bump limit.Especially if it opens the door for Archie characters to appear in new stuff. God, just imagine the shitshow

>>149224561
Mantlo pushed pretty hard for a storyline wherein Spider-Man and Black Cat had a child out of wedlock. Shooter understandably rejected it, but was willing to let Mantlo do it with a Spider-Man pastiche for the Epic line.

>>149225411
Both you and I don't know them because book publishers stopped being staffed by and writing for men in the 2000s.

>>149222920 (OP)
Rest in peace Mr. Shooter

>>149225854
Or you know, Americans can't read

>>149225805
For you.

>>149225767
Not to make light of these people's deaths but you saying that with that picture makes Shooter sound and look like a Twilight Zone character who causes unsuspecting Sci-Fi writers to act like a Lovecraft narrator who mysteriously die some time later. That or Shooter just looks like G-Man sometimes.
>>149225843
Which story does this pastiche appear?

>>149223047
We need homophobic creators back to bring comics back to its heyday

>>149225926
Long Live the Legion!

>>149222920 (OP)
It's strange, I got fixated on reading comic history and reading Marvel interviews this week. So I found out about the news while looking up more Jim Shooter interviews tonight.

Sad news, only 73. Rest in peace.

>>149222920 (OP)
Long live the legion

>>149225940
>first black character.
>first to die

>>149224529
Nocenti was X-Men editor at some point in Shooter's tenure and had to stop Claremont from putting Xavier in women's clothing for, I believe, the story where he's captured by the Morlocks. The bondage gear was a compromise more or less.

>>149222920 (OP)
>/co/'s stickies are just threads announcing a big industry name dying
Really sad but it is what it is.
Rest easy Shooter.

>>149225964
In retrospect, I think we need something to fill the void Steven Universe, Korra, etc left

>>149225964
What comic is this from?

>>149225926
>*takes sip*
They dont make em like they used to

>>149222920 (OP)
RIP
Barry Windsor Smith respected him and admired him a lot. Let's pray for his soul.

>>149224761
Levitz was one of the guys who hated Dream Girl for that but I think, maybe because of what happened, he eventually came around on her. The Bierbaums never did, though, and her sole appearance during their run is as a slutty, fat, and for some reason middle aged wine aunt.

>>149223539
Can someone make an compilation of Dan Slott moving with a tuba playing in the background?

>>149225892
As far as I know, Mantlo turned down Shooter's request, I guess he wanted to do the storyline with Spider-Man, period. Steve Gerber's Void Indigo was a reworked Hawkman pitch, though, so there's a strong case that Shooter meant what he said.

>>149226059
Better yet, use the RE1's Director's Cut version of the basement theme

>>149224206
As you wish

>>149224988
I wonder if Jim ever got anything from the movies lifting the name off of his character.

>>149225040
That book is blatantly unfair to him. It's not at the level of calling him a Nazi like Groth did but Howe 100% hews far closer to the TCJ view of comics and thus doesn't hold Jim in particularly high regard. Which includes willfully reading too much into Jim's work so he could pontificate about Shooter having a god complex.

>>149223003
faggot.

>>149225745
Sonic threads regularly hit bump limit, Sonic fan threads on 4chan are heavily based on the comics, mix both and you're absolutely getting a bump limit hit

>>149225945
>>149225954
Different Ferro

>>149223275
Kill yourself fat ugly nerd

>>149225178
The Morrison sticky will reach through the 5th hypermeta dimensional tunnel to pull posts from alternate 4chans as a meta commentary on the regurgitation of memes and posts.

>>149224504
Cartoons have been dead for decades, the only people who engage with the corpse are autists and pedos. And usually autistic pedos.

From Kelley Jones
>Jim Shooter has passed away.
>When I got hired to draw comics for Marvel Comics many years ago Jim Shooter flew out to do several signings in my area and asked if I’d come and meet him, which I did with great trepidation because he was the boss of bosses and I was just starting out. When he finished a signing he asked if I’d like to go out for a meal anywhere I wanted and we could talk about making comic art professionally. I told him let’s go to McDonalds.
>We talked for hours and a lot about Jack Kirby.
>When it was over he asked why did I want to eat at McDonalds of all places. I told him very earnestly that I didn’t want Marvel to pay for an expensive meal as I was a nobody.
>He laughed his ass off and hugged me saying I was Marvel material!!
>He was always very kind to me all the years after.
>God bless him.

From Kelley Jones
>Jim Shooter has passed away.
>When I got hired to draw comics for Marvel Comics many years ago Jim Shooter flew out to do several signings in my area and asked if I’d come and meet him, which I did with great trepidation because he was the boss of bosses and I was just starting out. When he finished a signing he asked if I’d like to go out for a meal anywhere I wanted and we could talk about making comic art professionally. I told him let’s go to McDonalds.
>We talked for hours and a lot about Jack Kirby.
>When it was over he asked why did I want to eat at McDonalds of all places. I told him very earnestly that I didn’t want Marvel to pay for an expensive meal as I was a nobody.
>He laughed his ass off and hugged me saying I was Marvel material!!
>He was always very kind to me all the years after.
>God bless him.
(I fucking hate webp and the lack of it's compatibility here.)

>>149226166
>>149226172
>>149226181
>>149226194
This is petty even for Byrne

>>149225340
/co/ has few comicfags left because cartoonfags and /tv/fags overran the board and drove most of them off. It's better to view stickies at this point as a mark of respect and an acknowledgment of a creator's impact on the medium.

>>149226156
Sonic might be the absolute cringeist and worst thing ever, but you have to admit the people who obsess over it are extremely dedicated to their piece of shit.

>>149226237
not enough to actually buy the comics though.

>>149226221
We weren't run off, it's because most of us comicfags are over 40 and the average poster here is around 15. There's better places to post on the internet for people who don't want to talk to literal children.

>>149226258
Well no, of course not. I'd be worried about the population's mental health if the Sonic fanbase was that sizable.

>better places
Like twitter? Where all the comic fans are tranny 23 year old former tumblr-using mystery meat brown people?

>>149226268
Where? I have been looking for places where to discuss about comics.

>>149226279
the ancient forums that still exist. they're just really slow.
The appeal of 4chan has always been that you will get a reply or some eyes on your post sooner than most other places, the caveat is that the reply may be completely pointless.

>>149226268
It's what I've been saying for years and why comics and cartons need to be separate boards. Comics are largely for adults and cartoons are strictly for little kids. Not even remotely the same demographic.

>>149223047
RIP this legend. He's having a good time with Jesus now, relaxing forever in heaven.

>>149225412
Yeah, the thing people and creatives tend to forget is that with Lee off in Los Angeles, Shooter was essentially the top guy on the creative side at Marvel and thus the person stuck between the the creative and corporate sides. Where Stan might have been the intermediary before, now that was all Shooter which meant that he had to focus much more on the business side of things. Whether he agreed or disagreed with something like homosexuality was totally besides the point with him. He had to protect Marvel's business to keep the suits happy which meant abiding by the norms and standards of the time. That's all it was to him, simple business, and the other editors and writers and fans weren't the ones who were going to get chewed out by Galton because having a gay dude in a story caused a backlash that affected sales, Shooter was.

The tension with corporate is also why the DC deal never went through.

>>149223221
>>149223243
This memo needs to come back

>>149226289
Well, the caveat is that the reply will be from someone half your age and it's usually a middle school kid year old calling you a faggot or a retard.

>>149226297
>Comics are largely for adults
lol nope
>cartoons are strictly for little kids
Adult Swim?

>>149226279
The good thing is that they’re all separated by oceans from DC. They’ll never get their hands on the books themselves, because they’re too poor to make the journey. Still doesn’t mean they can’t have some influence through lambasting and emotionally blackmailing writers (who are already pretty liberal) into doing whatever they want. The current state of continuity fucking with them is good enough for me.

Hence is the Tim Breevort way!

I mean, we're already seeing good riddance posts on Shooter and the same happened with others like Peter David. this hellsite will rarely ever have genuine unanimous respect for a famous person's death

The End

>>149223582
I mean, we're already seeing good riddance posts on Shooter and the same happened with others like Peter David. this hellsite will rarely ever have genuine unanimous respect for a famous person's death

Bendis will be looked back on more fondly than Quesadilla, that's for sure

>>149226315
>Adult Swim

That's a big misnomer because no actual adults watch that outside of a handful of college aged kids.

>>149226337
okay boomer

>>149226319
>this hellsite will rarely ever have genuine unanimous respect for a famous person's death

Bro this site is mostly underage trolls seeking validation and attention, most people saying that have never even read a comic book before.

>>149226337
Anon you sound like a fucking boomer

>>149226341
Yes. As someone in their 40s I have never met anyone who watches Adult Swim. I know a bunch of us watched it when it first started in, what, 2001? But we were all super young and still watching cartoons at the time.

>>149222977
Mort Weisinger has been dead for decades, and I never had to support my family as a teenager because my dad died.

>>149226359
okay boomer

>>149226348
>>149226365
Thanks for making my point.

>>149226208
That sounds like a wholesome interaction

>>149226376
okay boomer

>>149226382
In all honestly though, if they threw on some old reruns of Thundarr instead of whatever shit they're playing now I'd probably tune in to watch that.

>>149223810
Rule #1 of leadership: Everything is your fault.

>>149226341
>>149226348
nta but adult swim's peak audience for more of it's shows has always been people college aged or younger because most adults dip after the 12 timeslot because they work. It's why the ratings for the earlier shows are always much higher or more normie tier stuff.
if you were a teenager in the 2000's(or a kid) and you post here now, you were likely watching Adult Swim. And ratingswise, that's fine because most shows rarely if ever go above ratings that would be "inappropriate" for teenagers.

>>149223608
I miss the era of women in comics being attractive
Thank you based Jimbo

>>149226411
Exactly. I was an adult in the 2000s and was definitely not watching Adult Swim. My Adult Swim was watching Space Ghost: Coast to Coast on Friday nights in the mid 90s, technically.

>>149226344
sad truth, after a while the regular whining about Miles or Tom King or the twenty other frequent targets on this board gets tiring, and it's pretty obvious there's more trolls around than honest talkers looking for discussions

>>149226428
Been this way for a while. This is mostly a board people use to vent hate or to jerk off to porn.

>>149225843
>but was willing to let Mantlo do it with a Spider-Man pastiche for the Epic line.
Was Daredevil on the table?

>>149226297
>Comics are largely for adults
Why can't Batman say fuck

>>149226440
Because if he did us 40 and 50-somethings would get angry about it.

>>149222920 (OP)

https://tombrevoort.substack.com/p/44-whos-the-good-guy?utm_campaign=posts-open-in-app&triedRedirect=true
> Marvel Editors, you are the droppings of the creative world. You were destined to float in the cesspool till urine logged and finally sink to the bottom with the rest of the shit but along came Jim Shooter who rolled up his sleeves and rescued you.

>He gave you a title, respectability, power and even a credit card that you used and abused. He made you the highest payed Editors in the history of the business. He protected you against all that could tamper with your rights, your power and your pocket book.

>He backed you against all Prima Donna freelancers no matter how big… his pockets were always open to you, No cry of help was too small for him to turn his back on.

>As heard in the "Brass" section of the company… "He never asked for anything for himself… always for his men."

>The roof over your head, the clothes on your back, the car you drive and the tickets you buy for your blind wives and girlfriends you owe to the Pittsburg Kid

>For all he did for you… you repayed him by attacking him like a pack of yellow priceless faggots. Ripping away his flesh from his body and laughing and pounding your chest like conquering ghouls and long after his bones were dry, you continued to pour salt on them to squeeze every ounce of pain out of him,

>Not the slightest whimpers or cry or tear came out of this man. With you still biting at his ankles, he put on his coat and walked away…Displaying more class and poise in defeat than all of you did in victory. Jesus had one Judas, Jim had many, those that speared him and worse, those that watched…

>I stick by him and for that you've nailed me on the same cross… I thank you for that… It's an honor to be crucified with Jim Shooter, a man who none of you will ever be.

>Vince Colletta.

RIP Big Jim

>>149226440
TV cop shows are for 70 year olds and they still don't say fuck.

>>149226101
>10 year old Billy Batson mortified because he thought he killed someone
God damn, that's dark.

>>149226446
Man I hate Breevort

>>149226446

Laughed out loud when I got to the signature

>>149226440
Batman doesn't say fuck for the same reason a block of cartoons for teenagers needs to call itself "adult swim", because young people are insecure and have a need to make themselves feel older in order r to validate themselves.

They don't show Batman's penis either and nobody wants to see Batman's penis. (yes i am aware of that one instance)

>>149223047
Hehe

>>149226297
>It's what I've been saying for years and why comics and cartons need to be separate boards.
And you've been wrong every time. Stop it with the endless hairsplitting you sperg.

>>149226446

Wait something extremely funny in the Q&A

>And as to Ultimate Universe, has anyone ever pitched doing an Ultimate line again with another continuity do over?

>All the time, Steve, pretty much since the day that the original Ultimate line shut down. Hasn’t happened yet, but who knows what the future might bring? That said, I think it’s extremely difficult to capture that lightning in a bottle again, a lot more difficult than most folks seem to think. I look at the attempts to do similar things, such as DC’s EARTH ONE line, or even its NEW 52 relaunch. Both of them got some short-term attention before losing that spark—and in the latter case, then they were left with a publishing situation that they’re still trying to untangle years and years later. That sort of big reboot can be exciting, but by definition it requires the baby and the bathwater to be put on the line equally.

>Jan 29, 2023

>>149226322
Thanks for the storytime, it was pretty fun.

>>149226216

Starbrand is even funnier. He had the character, who was essentially a Jim Shooter self insert, go crazy, lose control of his power and destroy Pittsburgh, Shooter's irl hometown.

Starbrand is a trip of a comic.

>>149226535
Not him
Comics and cartoons should share a board only if we can attain a healthy symbiosis
Attempts were made to get cartoon fans into comics (storytimes, recommendations, etc) and call me impatient but I'm losing optimism it can be done

>>149226535
I'd post here regularly if more than half the thumbnails on this board weren't ugly zoomer cartoons or pedobait.

>>149226436
it's a shame, the other day I wanted to have an honest discussion around Miles but I should've known better than to talk in a Spider-Man thread with all the Polish schizos running around

May he rest in peace.

>>149224002
Superman #199 - 1st Superman vs Flash race please.

>>149226588
Aren't cartoons largely dying out anyway? They don't make a lot of them anymore and the few that they do make look like they were made over a weekend for less than a hundred dollars.

>>149226640
They still outnumber us hard
It's Avatar time everyday now

>>149226640
Kinda, its not that they are dying out and more that the tentpole loreshows and their action show predecessors that defined the peak of cartoon discussion on the bard are mostly dead.
Episodic Comedies are still going strong but their is barely anything to talk about with them.

>>149222920 (OP)
Rest in peace, Jim Shooter. So happy you got to see BLACK ADAM.

>>149226687
KEK

F

>>149223329
>Roy Thomas
>Jim Steranko
>Gerry Conway
>Larry Lieber
>John Byrne
>David Michelinie
>Walt Simonson
>Frank Miller
>Alan Moore

>>149225767
Damn, Wally really doesn't look good here. His eyes have that
>it's the kind of tired that sleep won't fix
look

>Go to sleep
>Wake up in the world without Shooter
What a way to start summer, goddammit

>>149226640
In one sense they sell less than ever but through various reasons, like being expensive, they make more money than ever.

>>149222920 (OP)
>Mark Waid just posted.
who cares what that piece of shit has to say

>>149226640
X-Men '97 brought a twinkle of hope. But with Disney's streaming efforts being a big fat failure it's doubtful they'll put that kind of effort and cash into a non-theatrical animation project again.

>>149226733
his kidneys were fucked, he's aging with no pension or retirement plan and work is drying up. And going blind
I've heard it said off the record that what put him over the edge was that he needed a kidney transplant, he went to his brother to ask him for it, and his brother told him he had to consider it first(they weren't that close). The fact that it wasn't an immediate yes made him basically lose any hope he had left since he felt abandoned and hopeless. He would try dialysis and then kill himself soon after.
He was too tired for this world.

>>149226774
he was the first person to break the news so it's worth sourcing.

>>149226635
>hes a milesfag
Get some self respect

>>149222920 (OP)
crazy. on the way to the gym tonight i stopped to get gas and there was a small stand with DC comics

hadn't seen comics in a gas station in years til tonight

>>149226906
Whoa. I would have bought some on principle.

>>149222920 (OP)
F

>>149222920 (OP)
vax status?

>>149226923
they were the kind for kids. i wouldn't dare take any, kids barely read these days. every single one of them needs to go to a kid. i've got plenty to read. i have a morbius omnibus, Sha, and i'm waiting for vampire requiem that iirc comes out in october

>>149226638
You got it

Meh, I'll keep the ads

>>149226953
Wow, Bruce is rooting against his best friend? What a dick

>>149224692
>Shooter hires Layton for Valiant after he burned bridges with Marvel
>Shooter bails Layton out of jail after a DUI
>Shooter gets Layton into rehab
>Layton is clean and sober thanks to Shooter
>Layton conspires with Acclaim to get Shooter fired and Layton becomes EiC
>Valiant dies

Layton is a real piece of work...

>>149224745
Shooter said Mantlo had a friend in upper management who protected him. Mantlo also went to college and got his law degree all on Marvel's dime.

What sucks is that Mantlo was a good writer but it looks like there were times he got stuck and cheated.

>>149222920 (OP)
I love you and I will probably always be a fan. Sincerely a /shelf Anon
https://www.youtube.com/live/u2H-5cIA8hg?si=Dh0mfOUqhY4sxZx0