Agreeing with what Jon did here is like saying you don't think the Epstein list should come out.

Alan Moore is a weird moral mutant who doesn't understand why nobody identifies with a fucker who would commit mass murder to present some sort of "common enemy" for the world to unify against, and every relates to the angry hobo who is disgusted with the injustice of the world, going after those who actually committed those injustices.

Alan Moore is a weird moral mutant who doesn't understand why nobody identifies with a fucker who would commit mass murder to present some sort of "common enemy" for the world to unify against, and everyone relates to the angry hobo who is disgusted with the injustice of the world, going after those who actually committed those injustices.

Dude is peak commie chode morality.

>>149336422 (OP)
It shouldn't... like with Veidt's plan it's too dangerous if any of those involved with it were to make the information public.

Which is why, like with Veidt's plan, everyone on the Epstein list should simply be killed.

>>149336583
This again?
Ozymandias is the clear villain of Watchmen. Moore condones the actions of Ozymandias even less than those of Rorschach.

I don't think the list should come out. why would I? so a bunch of normies can go witch huting people who do nothing of importance to this world while the people who actually ruin the world are still in shadows and they can feel vindicated because they got famous number number #454545656456-23 sector B to say they are sorry on social media and still be rich and famous?

I have better shit to do with my time than to care about useless garbage like that, like masturbating and drawing, because at least they offer me some sorta of personal pleasure and not stress over shit beyond my control like a chimp screaming at thunderstorms thinking they would ever care about their crying like a bitch.

Just fuck off.

>>149336895
It doesn't get more chimp-like than masturbating.

>>149336422 (OP)
I try not to look down on people's difficulty grasping faceted media, philosophy or just thinking beyond their emotional inclinations but there are times it's clearly a wasted effort.

Agreeing with the rational risk aversion isn't the same as approving of the means or cause.

First of all, just to go over the futility of the matter, if Rorschach wandered the Antarctica for Archimedes he'd die from exposure. If he made it back somehow he'd still have to spend however long waiting for Nite Owl to perform repairs, during which Ozy with his clear psychotic paranoia would have showed up at any point to investigate and Comedian'd him. If Walter hid well enough somehow until they were clear and joined Laurie and Dan's second life plan, it wouldn't matter, Veidt has full control of the narrative and situation, he'd learn the second Walter popped up at the Frontiersman to fan the flames of his journal and kill him and the journalists before the next sunrise. There is no situation where Veidt isn't prepared to do more painfully and drawn out what Jon did in an instant. So there was no point deliberating it.
Even if word got out somehow it would just lead to world wide paranoia and conflict before Veidt kills Walter. More so, Jon leaving the world to its blissful ignorance until its inevitable demise is not comparable to attempts at dismissal despite inquiry from the public.

Readers not liking how this shitty situation makes them feel is irrelevant to the writing or reading of it. Readers lashing out at Moore like toddlers throwing a tantrum because he didn't spoonfeed them are why we've now got watered down swill like Doomsday Clock instead.

>>149336883
Whatever message Moore was allegedly trying to convey was undercut by the fact that they just let him off scot-free. Yeah, obviously you can't tell everyone what REALLY happened, but you can still KILL him for being a dangerous mass murderer. Those two things aren't mutually exclusive, but nobody present even CONSIDERS the idea of making him pay for it. It's just "oh well, guess we can't do anything, let's just fuck off." In the end, the person who gets punished ISN'T the mass murderer, and that's the message most people get.

>>149336583
In fairness, Moore thought Soviet Russia was going to outlive the US and that communism would take over the Earth. He was kinda retarded like that.

>>149337593
They all fought him and he defeated them easily. They didn't let him go, he let them go.
>>149337914
The guy you're replying to is wrong.

>>149337593
>Whatever message Moore was allegedly trying to convey was undercut by the fact that they just let him off scot-free.
The only one who can really do it is Jon and he doesn't care.

>>149337187
>you should kill the hero because the bad guy would have done him in worse
>you are also a superpowered time traveling immortal god who could have rescued him, killed ozy, stopped the alien invasion and been decent for once
>nah, just zap rorsch

>>149337987
>you are also a superpowered time traveling immortal god who could have rescued him, killed ozy, stopped the alien invasion and been decent for once
Anon the entire point of the story was he couldn't prevent it.

>>149336895

>>149336895
this is peak 4chan "i'm so much smarter than all the normies even though i live with my mom"

>>149337187
What If Manhattan had met Goku?

>>149338002
he could he is a time traveling Watcher

>>149336895
>who do nothing of importance to this world
trump literally said it would do too much damage. theyre protecting the people who are on top.
>>149336895
>crying like a bitch.
>Just fuck off.
take your own advice

>>149337593
He caught a bullet and made a little 9 appear, they couldn't stop him and they knew it.

>>149336895
>the Epstein list is actually a distraction!

>>149337593
>but nobody present even CONSIDERS the idea of making him pay for it.
Veidt argued the idea for them.
He's the only one resourced, ready and aware equal to the full extent of the physical, mental and political damage the psychic nuking of NYC caused to America to immediately and completely assure recovery. If he goes: all that goes, and someone will investigate his absence leading to the possibility of the truth being found at Karnak and the investigators leaking it to everyone or using what they learn against them.

But despite his cunning speech and schemes Veidt is a delusional narcissistic parasite, Moore made no qualms of highlighting that to anyone paying attention.

Veidt noted how as a child he was accused of cheating by a teacher due to his unusually exceptional grades, his parents reprimanded instead of defending and congratulating him. This is not an excuse, but example of how long he holds a grudge so small to make mention of it as a grown, accomplished man. Particularly since in the subsequent panel we see him musing on his newfound wealth, freedom and opportunities after the "sudden" death of his parents, sitting on their gravestone.

In the Watchmen timeline because of Dr. Manhattan's involvement in the cold war Vietnam became a territory of America like Puerto Rico. I say that to say this, Veidt took in several war orphans from there who he made keepers of his Antarctic base to convince himself as much as others he's an altruist. Then he poisons them, insisting they're lucky to have even lived and died in his presence, before walking away without another thought or word about it later.

Moore and Gibbons could not have made it anymore clear from beginning to end that he's as strongly disapproved of as Blake.
He's left to live his days holding together his sandcastle society to cement how idiotic the clever schemes of a diseased mind are once it sink in.

>>149336895
Just letting you know that there is a very high chance of high ranking members of TBN, the network that brought VeggieTales, being protected because of their involvement with this list. The jews are just another distraction.

>>149336422 (OP)
Right or wrong, his actions kept a secret that likely stopped world powers from killing the vast majority of life on earth. I see no greater purpose keeping the Epstein list secret than protecting the identities of rich and powerful perverts.

>>149339883
>I see no greater purpose keeping the Epstein list secret than protecting the identities of rich and powerful perverts.
Well there could be a civil unrest issue depending on just how many of the powerful specifically are involved, because there's a critical mass point where convicting them becomes very difficult.

>>149339199
>9s

I will be honest, i have no idea what the pirate story is about

>>149339906
...That's a fair point.
I mean hardly on the scale of averting thermonuclear annihilation, but it's something to consider.

>>149339925
I too only grasped the surface idea of it being weird that all comics are one genre, except superhero switched to pirates. But probably because I already saw someone make literally the same analogy about books (as in imagine if you asked someone if they like reading and they respond nah, I'm not into pirates, because pirate fiction is dominating literature as much as superheros are dominating American comics).

>>149339906

>>149336422 (OP)
The Epstein list isn't out because it would exonerate him of all wrongdoing. He was innocent. Just a fall guy when the elites needed to pin it on someone.

>>149339925
How extreme distress can result in strong paranoia and desperation leading people to act in depraved ways to survive and save something or someone that isn't necessarily in danger, until they become a danger themselves.

An another in a thread years ago did a better job highlighting how this mirrors things characters in Watchmen think, say and do than I can, but I didn't screencap that but I'm fairly sure they brought up how deranged the Comedian became when he was let off his leash during the Vietnam war, how much Rorschach deteriorated after the kidnapping and Veidt's whole spiral into fatalistic futility once Comedian pointed out no one, not even the world's supposed smartest man could do anything to solve the problem of societal collapse and MAD

>>149339216
Yes.

Epi didn't even run the biggest trafficking ring, there are far older rings that have been in operation for much longer and are directly connected to the central intelligence agency. Stuff like "Project Delta" or the far larger "The Finders" trafficking ring that was actively covered up during the satanic panic and had opperations stretching from washington to london. Epi is a small drop in the bucket that the dissident right like to harp on because of his connections to Mossad, but the reality is high level individuals don't just stick to one ring or operation and that the vast majority of these rings are decentralised. No one wants to take these down due to how difficult it is to track all the middlemen and it benefits intelligence agencies more to track and deal with them directly for their own opperations.

>>149340016
Be carefull, other wise most of the world you know will fall apart around you.

>>149340016
I ain't disagreeing but one has to live with the consequences.

>>149340121
This reads more like an excuse rather than an explanation.

>>149336422 (OP)
stop being a bad goy and asking about things you shouldn't know about

>>149340221
Regardless of it being an explanation or excuse, things stay the same. We already know some of the phone numbers and nothing has been done. The fact people are waiting for outright confirmation of names is an excuse people tell themselves because they don't want to risk their own livelihoods going after powerfull people. Then lets say you do the impossible and hold those in the book accountable, what then? The rings still exist and they will find more customers. The infrastructure remains. It's like going after the drug users and not the suppliers who facilitate it.

>>149340121
Man I love that the finders thing is a meme, it's such an easy way for you morons to discredit yourselves.

>>149336422 (OP)
Ozzy's conspiracy prevented nuclear holocaust which is why Blue Man Group killed Mr Mommy Issues to protect his secrets. It's a trolley problem.

>>149339906
>civil unrest
lol you wish

>>149340392
>finders thing is a meme
Ok, how? The shit the FBI released implicates everything I said. They had contacts in london. Their ring leader was in washington. They held victims in areas linked to the satanic lanic scare. The FBI could not proceed due to the ring leader being a contact for the CIA. If there is something I am missing here tell me, but from what I remember it was pretty damning stuff.

>>149340437
>satanic lanic
lmao

>>149336895
>dude the rich and powerful are committing crimes we have proof
>will they go to jail
>no they're too rich and powerful
>oh
>(both return to Amazon warehouse)

Is the Moorespammer back? There are two Moore threads on /tv/ right now getting the same exact response as always.
I've been here too long.

>>149340443
As true as it always is.

>>149336422 (OP)
The list will never come out. We'll be drip-fed names by the elites as they struggle for power again each other, making sure their enemies are disclosed and their friends are redacted. Epstein's true legacy was the ultimate tool of blackmail and they will never give that up.

>>149340392
>t. glowie

>>149336583
Let me get this straight. You think that despite everything presented about Ozymandias, Alan Moore either sides with him or is too stupid to realize that he sides with him because Night Owl doesn’t say “You were wrong to do that Ozy” and beat him to death?

>>149336895
MIGA fags really dont have any morals at all

>>149336422 (OP)
>Agreeing with what Jon did here is like saying you don't think the Epstein list should come out.

Atomic warfare and human extinction vs a couple celebrities potentially getting lynched

These aren't the same.

>>149340576
you poor dumb faggot, Biden sure as hell didn't want that shit released either did he

>>149340283
>we shouldn't hold them accountable because it could still happen afterwards
stupid logic

>>149340629
If you don't hold them accountable nothing happens. If you hold them accountable nothing happens. People already know some of the people guilty of using Epsteins services and nothing has happened. You get rid of the people who did use his services and the trafficking rings continue. This is not stupid logic, this is just how shit works.

>>149340619
>b-b-but Biden
That's not the winning deflection you think it is, he also deserves to be lined up against the wall with Trump and everyone else covering up the truth

Rorschach is a fucking FASCIST. Only a fascist racist incel would believe in a conspiracy theory about there being some secret Epstein list

There was never a thing. Only Epstein was a pedo chuddies

>>149340666
Sure thing Mr Satan

>>149340643
>If you don't hold them accountable nothing happens. If you hold them accountable nothing happens
wrong. it shows that we stand for something. they need to face penalties. it also makes them more paranoid and cautious to mossad/cia blackmail plots in the future. less leveraging for isreal and the deepstate

>>149340666
Not today Satan.

every time there's a Watchmen thread I'm painfully reminded about how the supposed Comics board is woefully ill-equipped to read and discuss comics, or simply ignorant of doing all that and just pretending to do so for some pointless amusement

>>149340797
I mean you’re not wrong, but the OP was also /pol/ bait, this thread was doubly doomed from the start.

>>149339883
>his actions kept a secret that stopped world powers from killing each other

1) for the time being
2) manhattan could have chosen not to be a tool in the vietnam war, which heightened nuclear tensions
3) veidt could have run for president and done something far more straightforward, far more intelligent and far sooner

manhattan and veidt are the villains by sin of negligence

>>149340930
would have been a whole different comic

>>149337970
He cared enough to kill Rorschach. He could have done the same to Ozy.

>>149336422 (OP)
Thats quite a good modern comparisment. But it lacks the importancy. Epstein isnt important for world peace.

Anyone confidently saying someone in Watchmen is right or wrong or good or evil is a moron and should be ignored.
The moral ambiguity is the point.
Also OP's panel was an assisted suicide not a murder but /co/ is really really bad at subtext.

>muh moral deontology
Shut up, retard

Didn't the sequel to Watchmen confirm Veidt's plan failed, making this murder pointless?

>>149341067
>He cared enough to kill Rorschach. He could have done the same to Ozy.
What you're forgetting his is character writing is nonsensical because Moore's a hack.

>>149336583
Moore sides with neither. He sides with Manhattan, who sympathizes with Rorschach but "understands" that not even his power can fix the world in a just way.

What Moore wanted to say is that Reagan's peace through strength was wrong. But Reagan has proven Moore wrong.

>>149340930
>2) manhattan could have chosen not to be a tool in the vietnam war, which heightened nuclear tensions
That turned out this way only because Moore gave Soviets plot armor.

>3) veidt could have run for president and done something far more straightforward, far more intelligent and far sooner
He didn't because that would make it about Reagan successfully stopping Soviet Union, which was the opposite of what Moore wanted to say.

>>149342093
Nobody cares about that shit not even written by Moore, dude.

>>149342093
Thats kinda what Manhattan already said.

>>149337593
>scott-free
Manhattan tells him point blank, "nothing ever ends" before disappearing in the shape of a mushroom cloud while standing within a globe. The last image we see of Veidt is him looking unnerved at that cloud. He got away with it but he's going to be haunted with doubt for the rest of his life. Also Rorsharch's journal alludes to what Blake saw on the island, and even though Rorsharch never worked out what that was before leaving, his journal explicitly points out Veidt arranged the assassinations of the super heroes. There's still a chance he's caught

>>149343029
>>149343124
>>149343029
>tfw a quantum demigod hits you with the costanza.jpg IRL

>>149337987
Did you read the book? Manhattan had become so dehumanized at that point that he no longer cared what happened to people. He could see the future and knew what he would do and went along with it. He thought Veidt's plan was a little tasteless and extreme, but ultimately came to the utilitarian conclusion that doing it saved more people than it killed.

>>149336583
>who would commit mass murder to present some sort of "common enemy" for the world to unify against
It's babbys first utilitarianism and really not that controversial morally speaking. It's the trolley problem on a larger scale.

>>149342411
If you ignore all the death squads Reagan backed, the Jihadists Reagan backed in the middle-east, etc.

>>149341067
>kill Ozy
to what effect? He successfully carried out his plan 35 minutes ago

>>149340930
>veidt could have run for president and done something far more straightforward, far more intelligent and far sooner

How would he have won against Nixon? Or JFK? Because he’s rich and smart he just would have won?

>>149343157
Whats the costanza.jpg?

>>149343376
Soviets were also backing wars in ME. Reagan just was different due to backing the winning side.

But Moore didn't care about conventional conflicts, he was arguing that Reagan, like Manhattan, would push Soviets to produce more nukes (as if they weren't producing as much they could) and that it would inevitably lead to nuclear holocaust.

But Reagan won without Cold War going nuclear, in a smart way. Moore was wrong due to being blinded by his sympathy to Soviets.

>>149343979
>2011+14
>not knowing ISHYGDDT
ISHYGDDT

>>149337593
People on this board would fume if they watched Chinatown

>>149340930
>manhattan could have chosen
He could not, that's the whole point of his character.

>>149341067
Killing Rorschach accomplished something, killing Ozy doesn't.

>>149342093
The HBO series shows the peace lasted for a few decades at least.

>>149344146
They would fume not because of the ending, but the fact that the film dared to portray the white man as a southern pedo rapist.

>>149344146
Surprised this movie doesn't come up more in the Rango threads
>>149344588
Pretty sure everyone would just laugh at that considering the director

>>149336895
>fell for it again award

>>149336583
>who doesn't understand why nobody identifies with a fucker who would commit mass murder to present some sort of "common enemy"
He never wanted that fucker to be "identified as", media illiterate retard.

>>149336583
>he think Moore sides with Ozymandias
Every single Moore shit ralker is always a fucking mongoloid unable to read the comic. It's fascinating.
>>149336422 (OP)
Ask yourself why Drumf, the Republicans and Democrats agreed on bury that shit.

>>149344673
>Pretty sure everyone would just laugh at that considering the director
Considering the volatile emotion people get when discussing directors and their ethics, I doubt it.

>>149337593
>they (politicians and corrupt retards) just let him off scot-free
Woah! Like real life!
Stupid retard.

>>149344737
People would still laugh and this is a case where volatile emotion is justified in the discussion

>>149337593
>>149336583
I hate how you keep proving Moore's point every single time.
Jesus Christ. Learn to read, it's just a retarded comic.

>>149344723
That isn't true at all. He's the defacto protagonist and most of the story is viewed through his eyes. To say he didn't want some or all of him to be relatable to the reader is just retarded. What he got sick of was retards idolizing him as a genius who did nothing wrong, and ignoring the entire rest of the story in the process.

>>149339199
check'em

>>149339906
yeah dude not liking your politicians is exactly the same as global nuclear annihilation clapclapclapclap

>>149342043
No. Ozymandias is clearly evil.

>>149343322
Could you point this baby to further utilitarianism reads?

>>149344922
Or misleaded? He wants to make the world a better place.

>>149340619
The "what about Biden?" response to this recent scandal always reads like the typical NPC reaction. Have they ran out of any other excuses? I mean that ILLegally Blonde retard Pam Bondi had a cross of the crucifix necklace that she wears to affiliate herself as a force of good and then lie to us about no list existing? This whole situation pisses me off.

>>149345573
You mean unleaded.

>>149336422 (OP)
This was an assisted suicide. A mercy killing.

It's insane that people don't understand ANY of the visual symbolism of this scene.

>>149345629
No one really seems to care if you call Trump on this shit, but they do seem to care if you act as if it's a partisan issue, and not because they're all fucking frauds.

I don't understand why the blue guy doesn't just destroy all the nukes like Superman?

Is it because that would make an evil blue guy like with Superman?

>>149343378
>to what effect?
To prevent him from having any other stupid plans?

>>149346459
It wouldn't have been a huge stink if the one group that kept claiming there is a huge cover-up behind the "suicide," which citizens from both sides actually agree with it being suspicious, later announcing they found no evidence of homicide.

>>149344137
Sorry, i am not fluently in every meme. Especially when i thought about double dip or the pool.

>>149346420
No, Adrian just thinks this is the solving of the Gordian Knot. So he is misleaded that killing millions really to saves billions.

>>149336583
>>149336895
>>149337593
Incredible how you read the most stupid opinions about comic ever, precisely on this board.

>>149340416
>>149343322
It's not a trolley problem because the trolley problem assumes the trolley running people over is inevitable. This isn't choosing to save five people over one, this is tying a hundred people to the tracks yourself.

>>149347875
well it's already a stupid comic anyway

>>149345573
>>149346420
>>149347868
I think anon was pointing out that it's "misled" by using a joke.

>>149346461
Because he cant destroy them if he doesnt know where they all are. It seems that he cant split himself that much to solve the nukes problem.
Besides he isnt a very pro-active characters, he needs someone to tell him to do that.

>>149347898
To Veidt (and many other people at the time) MAD was inevitable, and his plan was answering a trolley problem for the entire world.

>>149347923
Oh. Than i am gratefull to get corrected.

>>149340416
>>149343322
>>149347898
It's the trolley problem if you couldn't see if there were 5 people on the track, but there could potentially be, so maybe you should pull the lever.

>>149336583
>Some oversized sushi appears and wipes New York (an american city) before dying, and nothing else
>According to Moore, this would have made the Reds stop everything and go sing Kumbaya with America to save the world.
>In reality, the USSR would have celebrated, used it as propaganda, and then activated all its sleeper agents/fifth columnists on US soil to destabilize it.

Reminder that there IS NO EPSTEIN LIST
Trump is on AMERICAS SIDE, NO ONE ELSES
Swear fealty to ISRAEL IF YOU WANT GOVERNMENT AID AFTER FLOODS AND HURRICANES, YOU BIGOT

>>149348030
Absolutely no one would be celebrating an alien horror arriving and wiping out millions in a heartbeat. No one.

>people think nothing serious would happen if they list was revealed
the people on it would arm up private militias to not be sent to jail and would kill the vigilantes who come for them