First off fuck Snyder too so you pajeets can’t derail this with your retarded narrative. But James Gunn made Jor-El an evil imperialistic war monger. Fuck this daddy-problem-having faggot.

I wouldn’t watch this dog shit for free.

Cry about it Snyderboy

>>149342656
>first off fuck Snyder too
Im convinced you’re a bot.

Superman's parents being shitty makes his decision to be a good person even more meaningful than if he were just born perfect

>>149342727
No it doesn’t, it just gives him a chance to deny heckin imperialism and fascism!

>>149342770
Refusing to dominate and outbreed the natives that allowed you to call your adoptive home your own is a good thing anon

>>149342770
Isn’t that a good thing?

I mean it gives context to one of the biggest critiques of the character: that he “should” take over by force if he’s a hero or that he’s just a foreign alien imposing his ideals on the real humans and therefore bad. It shows he wants to assimilate and be human.

>>149342727
This is pseud damage control. You can have Jor-El send him to earth and still make a point of him choosing to do good with his powers and have it come as inspirational. You just need to avoid all that "They will follow your influence into the light" type Snyder writing

>>149342727
Don't see how it makes it more meaningful. He was either born perfect or raised to be a heckin' nice guy by the Kents. There isn't a choice either way.

>>149342841
NTA but that criticism is retarded anyways.

>>149342887
Also nta but yes the idea that superman media needs to "address" meta criticisms about the character is a cancer

>>149342900
it’s not a meta criticism it’s a frequent story element that is always only weakly addressed. Like What’s so Funny when he excuses not killing criminals because something something if I killed you (the edgelord heroes) you’d cry

>>149342656
You're not a sapient creature, you demonic fucking parasite

>>149342645 (OP)
>monkeys posting on twitter
>evil jor-el
There is fucking nothing redeemable about this film

>>149342934
It's a frequent story element because it's a meta criticism writers stupidly feel the need to address. Superman choosing to do good because he was raised by the Kents works without making Jor-El an asshole. It actually strengthens his relationship with Jor-El to have him trying to live up to his expectations for him on his new planet. Making him evil also makes it strange for Superman to want to know more about his people enough to collect Kryptonian knowledge and artifacts in the fortress.

>>149342645 (OP)
So it was a tradeoff? Snyder gave a good Jor-El and a jaded Johnathan, while Gunn gave an invader Jor-El and a good natured Johnathan.

Anyone else remember Gunn talking about how he was rejecting DC's offers to make a Superman movie before because he didn't have a good premise for it or an emotional core, and then how he later accepted it because he figured out one and it had something to do with his dad? How'd that work out?

>>149343118
I also remember when he said something about comic accuracy but Krypto is the wrong breed and that Lanterns show sounds bland for being based on superpowered space cops

>>149342727
But it also ruins the whole aspect of his character that he's of 2 worlds, and instead he just rejects his Kryptonian heritage.

>>149342816
It adds nothing to the character, it just changes his back story because GenXers like Gunn hate their dads.

>>149342841
It’s always been a ridiculous criticism and doesn’t change the fact that he uses his power to impose his will anyway.

>>149343118
He realized he could repeat Star Lord's arc from Guardians 2 but with Superman if he made Jor-El evil.

>>149342645 (OP)
... Is this genuinely what happens in the movie? Jor-El is evil? Why though?

>>149343480
So we can push the idea that the Kents are the only parents he has that matter

>>149343115
I will take it. Better side with a human that with some sketchy alien.

>>149343480
OP made it sound it a tad worse but yeah.

>>149343480
Yes. What happens is that Luthor invades Supes Fortress (I won't even waste time with spoilers, is all in the trailers) and the Engineer downloads everything in his computers, including his Jor-El message to Kal that is basically "they are a bunch of apes, so become alpha and rule those savages". Luthor broadcasts this message and the world "turns" on Superman.

If you read the spoilers that have been posted here in the last month, they are all real. Including the scene with the army of monkeys posting on social media, if I find the pic I will post.

>>149343480
They have a message they left to Superman where they say that he should become Earth's king and start a harem to restart the Kryptonite race.

I'm not a fan of Superman deciding he's done being a superhero for today and letting the others fight a big monster while he has one last spat with Lois. That's not Superman to me, that's a parody

>>149343871
That scene hurts. And it goes on and on, it's so damn ridicule, I bet people will laugh in the theaters and that's supposed to be a serious moment.

>>149343871
> That's not Superman to me, that's a parody
The whole thing was, it was very insincere.

>>149342770
brainrot

>>149342709
>said the phone poster

>>149343937
> that's supposed to be a serious moment.
Its not, you are expected to laugh during that scene and the whole movie.

>>149342645 (OP)
Didn't they do this in Smallville and Earth One? Who cares.

>>149343937
18 years of MCU quips and Whedon style bathos has broken people's sense of humor. I remember watching Dr. Strange in theaters and people laughed at the time stop scene even though nothing was happening. We're just trained to expect a joke every 2 minutes

>>149343975
I care because it's disrespectful to the comics

>>149343975
>Earth One
Garbage that should be ignored
>Smallville
I like the show, but the Kryptonian stuff was always weak. Cave paintings are stupid. Jor-El vetting out earth in a 1950s adventure is stupid. Also I always thought the show did that as just a cheeky reference to Zod's actor playing Jor-El.

it says a lot about America

>>149343871
>Superman can't have emotions
Nigga, Reeve Superman was literally a masochist and extremely insecure and he had to to rely on two over the top cover personalities to hide the fact that he was in fact pussy-wet for Lois.

>>149344000
Jor-El is not that significant to his growth, hell in action one he just decided to be a good person after being raised in an orphanage and he didnt get a message from Jor-El for a decade or two irl, Superman was just always a decent person and Jor-El was a bit character that got him to earth.

Movie Jor-El still loves and saves his son he just thinks earth are a bunch of midwits.

>>149344000
The comics where Jor El is a crazy supervillain who got Jon molested (Rebirth) and a cuckold who likes watching other men bang his wife (Superman vs Lobo)?

>>149342645 (OP)
Gun always does this
>Villain Scrappy
>Manchild Star Lord

Now evil Jor-Ek suck not only because Jor El saving his son life in a hail mary while his planet blows up is an inportant part but because it shits on the immigrant aspect of Suoerman in the lesson is immigrants are evil unless they are raised as babies by americans.

>>149344258
You are so obviously brown

>>149342645 (OP)
Sorry, but that's been DC's narrative since Jor El kidnapped Jonathon just after Bendis arrived. That's the narrative they want going forward.

>>149342645 (OP)
can someone shrink his face by 10%

No spoilers pls, I gotta go see this.

>>149343975
No, in smallville Clark just misunderstood his fathers alien nature, jor-el is very clearly a benign presence by the fourth season or so

>>149344224
Superman vs lobo isn’t cannon and literally everybody hated the mr oz reveal and storyline, let alone Bendis ignoring that he face turned by the end of it.

>>149343323
This.

>>149344805
At least he's not an angloid.

>>149344852
The entire plot has been leaked for months

>>149343860
>>149342991
Found the monkey posting scene, someone on TV made a webm

>>149342645 (OP)
I care about Jor-El as much as I care about Peter Parker's parents, which is to say not at all. The Kents raised him and they're the ones he actually y'know, fucking knew, so they're the only ones that matter imo.

>>149345703
>secretharem
Kek

>>149342991
that was a funny gag tho

>>149342991
>straight up monkeys bots
silver age bs FTW

>>149344258
He didn't screw up just Starlord, everyone but Thanos was off in the first movie.
Fun enough movie, but not the right way to do it.

>>149343115
>>149343975
Smallville was good for two seasons, I'm not sure if that bullshit started after.
Guess Lois & Clark continues to be the best live action take since the 90s.

>>149342645 (OP)
https://youtu.be/tJ_jHjaWHpc?si=jL1UeBiRqDGF9lqr

literally just pulling from Smallville. If it wasn't obvious enough from "Luthorcorp".

>>149342645 (OP)
I wasnt watching this shit regardless. Fuck Gunn and superman.

>>149345807
What if Superman goes public and say
>They are all femboys!

Marvel
vs

>>149346025
DC

>>149342645 (OP)
We still don't know if this message is real or not. Sure, Mr. Terrific says it's real, but how the hell does he know? Maybe Zod faked it or something? We'll have to wait and see. But I'm personally okay with this retcon desu. It strengthens Clark's bond with the Kents.

You are just mad that you don't have your own harem planet, anon.

>>149345703
>James Gunn uses b-roll footage of his scriptwriters in movie

It's actually real. I bet that smug kiddy-diddler thought he was making a pointed parody of social media too, just to asspat his narcissism a little harder

How fucking bleak.

>>149343480
>Why though?
Draw parallels to Omni-Man, I guess?

>>149343675
OP's obviously posting in bad faith and trying to start yet another flamewar between Snyder and Gunn camps.

>>149345703
But can they translate Romeo & Juliet to Esperanto? That's the real question.

>>149346025
>>149346042
>women screaming

>>149345703
lmao this movie is a fever dream

>>149346434
this movie is shit

>>149346110
>We still don't know if this message is real or not.
I mean... everything a viewer is supposed to know should be in the movie.

Is it legit "evil Jor-El" or was he being a cold scientist saying Clark should take over the planet for its own good?

>>149346380
>But can they translate Romeo & Juliet to Esperanto?
We'll never know, nobody gives enough of a shit about esperanto to double-check.

>>149344000
No you're a fucking transparent shitposting autist who will weaponize anything in an effort for a circlejerk

>>149347519
"Taking over the world" falls into the supervillain territory.

It's fine, he's not necessarily evil anyway, just not muh comfy space dad. Pa Kent fills that role.

>>149347534
In the sense that its not malicious from his point of view, and viewing Earthers as primitives that can be uplifted.

I don't even know why OP (outside of shitposting) is throwing a pissy fit because Kryptonians are canonical prideful assholes and Jor-El would totally view this scientifically. He's not asking Clark to be a bloody dictator

>>149345703
This was clever and fun and clearly Morrison inspired in more ways than one

>>149346042
[/She's about to murder Netanyahu, a highlight]

Instead of using the random kaiju they should have used Titano.
Hawkgirl needed to screech less.
Besides that, no notes.

SnyderCult on suicide watch.

>>149347519
Cold scientist saying "they are a bunch of apes, take control, assemble an harem and make Krypton great again"

Honestly it sounds pretty tame even in the movie but everyone goes apeshit and starts to throw garbage at Superman the moment this his the news, it's another problem of the fast pace because people were thanking him for saving their lives in one moment then they check their phones and go "boo, blueman bad!"

>>149342645 (OP)
Why you gotta spoil shit for people who haven't seen it yet? It's good movie don't let this sperg ruin it for you. Happiest I have walked out of a comic movie in moment. There was this kid in superman shirt that was so hyped after it was done he ran to nearby poster and had mom take pic for him. Shit warms my cold old fag heart.

>>149347649
Yeah I have a couple minor notes, the whiplashy compression like that in a few instances being one. But that's the sacrifice for a fast paced 2 hours, which I get.

>>149342770
>heckin imperialism and fascism!
What an absolute clown timeline we are in

>>149347649
It's tame under the context of how high Kryptonians view themselves and how primitive Earth is on the galactic map. Guardians of Oa didn't want an Earther as a GL at first, that's for sure. But naturally people are going to take this as a Omni-Man situation because of how stupid the audience is, but I forgive the DC citizens for lacking context and being naturally scared. That's not saying Jor-El was right mind you

>>149342645 (OP)
>>149342727

>>149347753
Some guy in my theater whooped and hollered at this

>>149347753
>You have shown them the face of the Man of Tomorrow.
>You have built your #SUPERHAREM
>You have cucked thousands of men worldwide with your super-seed.
>The they will stumble, they will crawl, but finally, they will rejoice in thee fruits of your cum.

>>149342991
I mean he did call you a monkey. I can understand why you took offense to that.

>>149347736
Absolutely, I think this movie lacks context and time to properly deliver it's messages.

But more thant that I don't like this >>149347753 at all. Since day one Gunn said this time it was all about hope and a much kinder Superman, but despite being full of color and jokes this movie went to darker places than MoS. I don't want to defend Snyder, I hated MoS on it's release and I still think it's a deeply flawed movie with great art direction and a bunch of good (but mostly miscasted) actors, and don't get me wrong Snyder did a lot of awful things like his Pa Kent, but there was something honest about the whole "It's not an S, in my world it means hope" that Gunn couldn't replicate. His movie is brighter but it feels cold and fake, like a new plastic toy trying to take the place of an older one just by being the new thing. In the end I feel that Snyder was a retarded that believed in his message while Gunn is an hypocrite just trying to sell a product, both failed but at least one had a soul which this one is missing.

>>149342645 (OP)
>Evil Jor-El? Fuck Gunn
Yeah I tend to agree. Its lame

>>149348265
I can't agree with this because Snyder's "on my world this means hope" is flawed from the get go. The symbol means hope after what Clark has done after making a name for himself on Earth, not what The House of El put on his shoulders. Also Gunn's Superman shines when talking to Lois in his frustrated "People were going to die!" showing what it's all about. Having the power to do the right thing, and acting on it

>>149342645 (OP)
>it's another deconstruction on superman's lore

Even my mother who doesnt know superman lore knew the message was edited to make him look bad no idea how viewers are as dumb as the people in the movie to believe it's real.
Reminds me of AI generated slop that people fall for it.

I bet it will be revealed in the sequel that Brainiac was behind it

>>149348638
>deconstruction

>>149348638
You're using that term wrong, retard

>>149342645 (OP)
That’s a problem, don’t get me wrong, but it’s the least of the problems with this piece of shit.

>>149342656
“he criticized the movie? must be a snyder fan”
shut up, loser

>>149342991
the peacemaker cameo was based

>The biological father was bad all along, and your adoptive father is actually the nice guy.

Is nobody going to point out that Gunn copied the plot of GotG2? Did Gunn have an absent father growing up, and so he keeps doing this trope?

>>149349764
More likely he took it from Smallville.

>>149342645 (OP)
>Jor-El an evil imperialistic war monger
Goku wins again

>>149349764
yes, his daddy raped him and turned him into a pedo

>>149349764
I swear, one of the origin retellings had Jor-El allude to it less directly. It feels Byrne-ish.

>>149342991
The monkeys were fucking hilarious. Grade A comic book shit.

But yeah this trend of "Actually Krypton sucked" is tiresome. He wanted Superman to have a crisis of identity, and that was the easy road to take.

>>149349853
Bardock was pretty hectic for the most part, though, although tbf he did obviously mellow out.

>>149342645 (OP)
JUST MAKE A GOOD SUPERHERO MOVIE
>Superman is doing Superman things
>Lex Luthor BIG BAD MAN, do BAD THING
>Lois Lane gets interview with Luthor doing BAD THING
>Lois Lance gets kidnapped
>Superman saves the day
HOW HARD IS THAT

>>149342645 (OP)
What you do you mean an Evil Jor El? Krypton is literally a nazy planet where defected kids get killed on sight, planets with population gets getting terraformed without questining. Ofcourse by canon Jor El should be evil. Only Supergirl is good since she was young and nanny. Even Viltrumites was less evil than Krypton.

>>149349991
that's superman returns

>>149342645 (OP)
Why the fuck would any Kryptonians believe that their orphaned baby could be a warlord capable of conquering the entire planet, or that he'd even want to in the name of a planet and people he never knew?

>>149342770
obsessed

>>149350029
I'll take a WROOONG! over this politicized bullshit any day of the week

>>149350034
I mean they are evgenists af, and superman ship contains all information that needed. Even how to create a Doomsday.

>>149349991
>>Lex Luthor BIG BAD MAN, do BAD THING
Lex Luthor doing Xcom thing since he doesn't trust aliens.

>>149347753
Say this to Wonder Woman in the face, Jor El. She can 1vs1 with Supes, also she is not even top tier in the list.

>>149342656
Fpbp

>>149349991
No, you WILL get shit trying to reinvent the wheel and you WILL not like it!

>>149349764
>and your adoptive father is actually the nice guy
But Yondu was an asshole who constantly threatened Peter with cannibalism.

>>149350145
okay
>Lex learns of Superman's existence because Superman is being Superman doing Superman things
>gets his tiny penis and balls in a vice because of this and starts doing crazy Xcom shit
>Lois gets invited to see this big stadium that's actually a death trap for Superman
>gets kidnapped when she realizes what Lex's stick up his asshole is up to and tries to stop him
>big Act 3 showdown ensues
>>149350251
fuck niggers

>>149350290

Did you watch the second movie?

>>149342645 (OP)
It was okay. But there wasn't really a big scene that moved me.

>>149342645 (OP)
So in this verse Zod is a good guy huh.

>>149342645 (OP)
>Believing Lex's propaganda

>>149347562
He really does good satire hope WB makes a big woke Animal Man movie next

>>149343344
James Gunn released this movie on the anniversary of his father's death, and cited his dad as inspiration for Pa Kent, I'm sire he doesn't hate his dad

So let me get this straight. The message from Kal El's parents was damaged in transit, but despite having a staff of service robots and clearly access to extraerrestrial science and Mr Terrific, Engineer, someone who clearly has her own biases if she's willing to inject robots into her blood to kill Superman with, was the *only* one that could repair the rest of the video? AND we're supposed to just trust someone on Lex's payroll to release an unbiased, undoctored cut?
Those are the straws we're grasping?

>>149345703
I guess making them Indian would be too on the nose?

>>149342645 (OP)
>>149342770
They already did this same sort of shit in the comics, making his parents, his whole fucking world boring and shitty, so that he could look more towards his life on Earth, and connect more with it and the people on it.

>>149343527
they are the only parents that matter

>>149350465
Anon, James Gunn wrote that whole script, do you want to make any sense? Also, not only he has daddy issues (see that in all his movies dead is missing or an asshole) he is friends with and had some help from Mr. Daddy Issues himself, Tom King.

>>149350465
Lex went to the fortress to find Superman's weakness but instead found the truth that his parents wanted to conquer earth. There would be no reason for Lex to lie and doctor the footage.

>>149350950
Oh so this is just retarded snyderfaggotry.

>>149350987
The lie *is* the weakness, dummy.

>>149351053
no the truth is the weakness

Not the expert; but did Ma and Pa Kent’s accent have a bit of Alabama in it, despite being from Kansas?

>>149342645 (OP)
I hate how any reasonable criticism this movie gets, you're either immediately called "anti-wokester" or a Snyder cultist.

>>149347700
>There was this kid in superman shirt that was so hyped after it was done he ran to nearby poster and had mom take pic for him. Shit warms my cold old fag heart.
There were lots of kids at my showing. Very wholesome vibe overall.

>>149351118
Can't I like a good superman movie and dislike another

>>149350290
He was joking

It's always funny to see a dedicated group of autists try to control a narrative in real time

>>149342727
You know what else would be cool? Maybe Superman can have an evil older brother that survived Krypton's explosion who lands on Earth and that's how Clark finds out he's an alien from Krypton (maybe before everyone just sort of wrote it off that he was strong because other people have superpowers, too.) He could team up with like Martian Manhunter to go fight him and then his brother reveals that his name is actually Kal-El and they're from a planet of warriors that would conquer other planets and then sell them off to the highest bidder before it got blown and now in two months Zod and another Kryptonian are on their way to Earth to conquer it. Maybe the fight could be really intense and Superman is forced to put his brother in a full nelson while Martian Manhunter has to use a special attack on them that accidentally kills both of them, but because Clark is such a nice guy his spirit travels to New Genesis where he trains with Highfather to learn new techniques so that he can return to Earth to help the other heroes fight Zod.

>>149342816
Can you articulate why retconning his backstory to be that rather than the one it's been for the last 90 consecutive years is an improvement?

>>149343033
This. It didn't start becoming a "frequent story element" until 60 YEARS after his debut when a bunch of pseuds started writing him and WOULDN'T YOU KNOW even though it's been done to death within the first five seconds every single new person that takes a crack at the character decides they're "breaking new ground" by addressing this "totally original" idea.

>>149343115
In what way is that a tradeoff? It's not something that's been vague, ambiguous, hinted at, or in wy up for debate across 90 years of multimedia. That's like saying: "Yeah, sure. The last Batman movie had him living in Gotham and wearing a black costume, so of course the next one should have him in Bali wearing a lime green leotard."

>>149351252

>>149343118
> because he didn't have a good premise for it or an emotional core
These idiots really, really don't understand they can just hop on the internet and literally scan through a list of Superman stories that already exist and just ADAPT THEM, do they? It would almost be slightly understandable if they were committed to doing a completley original idea they themselves wrote but when they just rehash a movie that's already been done a million times (Superman vs Evil Superman) and literally just ripoff an emotional plot from one of their previous films it leaves no excuse whatsoever.

How much of a manchild is Superman? because that is the only type of protagonist Gunn likes
the trailers where hes crashing out over Lois and Lex were really bad

>>149343323
That's too nuanced and smart for Hollywood to even begin to wrap their head around. Which is really saying something since it's such a simple and straightforward idea.
>>149343480
All Hollywood writers are doing the whole: "working through my trauma" thing by dumping their own emotional baggage into everything they work on. In this case, it's the fact that all of his friends and family are Zionists. It becomes really obvious when you look at anything made in the last 15 years and see it's always: "Parents, The Government, Homeworld is secretly EVIL!!!!"

>>149343115
>jaded Johnathan
you mean the same John who prioritized his son's safety and sacrificed his life so Clark could keep living as a regular human without fear of being ostracized?

snyder gave us good parents and memes have eroded your brain.

Man, weird how they rolled Ultraman, Doomsday 's costume, and Bizzaro into one and kinda made him feel a little like comic Black Noir.

My only major gripe is
>LUTHORCORP

i don't like the snyderverse, liked the suicide squad, but felt the writing and editing in this were unfocused and schizophrenic

5/10

So is it woke or not

>>149348265
Hit the nail on the head. This thing hit me as cynical and insincere as I was watching it.

>>149351395
It's extremely Gen X.

>>149350465
why the fuck didn't we even get a blip of why the engineer was so fanatically anti-superman?

>>149351395
what a faggot president

>>149351395
Its not, so that puts it above Marvel shit but its also like Ant-man or Shazam where its just mid and kind of forgettable
Stuff like the monkey social media bot farms or vauge Not Israel vs Palestine war probably dates it a bit

>>149351395
Hawkgirl literally murders Netanyahu in the movie

>>149349991
>JUST MAKE A GOOD SUPERHERO MOVIE
They did

The idea that Kara goes to other solar systems just so she can fucked up and party is incredibly hot to me.
I like that change.

>literally every single comic Gunn cites shows Superman as smart and wise and extremely powerful
>in the movie he's practically a himbo who gets his ass kicked in every fight
Good movie but also: why

>>149347700
Because it's not a good movie and people should know that so they don't waste their time or money

>>149349991
That's basically what this movie is, minus the Lois parts. And even then it's because Jimmy gets the evidence instead of being shot in the fucking head for once.

>>149342645 (OP)
So, is Superman just Invincible now?

>>149351112
Hollywood merges south and midwest since they're both flyovers with more corn and meth than common sense.

>>149351265
>than the one it's been for the last 90 consecutive years
NTA but come the fuck on. I was just talking about the birthing matrix earlier today. Comics and consistency are like oil and water. If you weren't a tourist you'd know that.

>>149351544
Damage control. This movie bends over backwards to focus on the human in Clark's in character, up to and including having him say it directly to the camera, because Snyder fucked the brand over with his invincible jaded jesus shit that badly.

>>149351576
He gets his shit pushed in constantly throughout the movie.

Truly, Gunn fixed the "he's just outright invincible" problem

>>149348571
The "S" means hope thing is technically from Superman: Birthright, is I'm not mistken. I think they did that in Smallville, too. While I don't have a problem with the idea or it being the "Crest of the House of El" (and I think it's kind of cool how the DCAU crest made it a bit ambiguous if the S was what the crest even was or if it was the Yellow parts of the crest spelling Hope/House of El in Kryptonian and it was just a coincidence that our eyes picked out the red background seeming to appear like an S) the original intention was that Superman's Mom sewed his costume for him and she put an S on the front to stand for Superman. I think they should just embrace the genuine and original idea and make it be a straight up S again.

>>149351439
She's ex-military. Military types hating Superman because he can't be brough to heel is just kind of a recurring thing.

>>149349039
I think he's using it right.
>>149350029
I liked Superman Returns. I feel like if the action choreography was a bit better and they had tried to make it more of a stanalone thing rather than a decades later entry into the existing Superman franchise it would've been received much better. Even then, I think it gets too much hate. Everyone I knew thought it was an alright movie, only the ((critics)) tore it apart

I gotta admit, Lex abducting an ex-girlfriend and putting her in his prison dimension for talking shit about him online felt true to life for me.

>>149351628
>The "S" means hope thing is technically from Superman: Birthright, is I'm not mistken.
Yes and no. The scene you're thinking of is Birthright Issue 2, Page 6. It's different from Snyder's take in that in Snyder's take Clark is told it means hope, whereas in Birthright Clark is just guessing that's what it means based on his own preconceived notions and biases. Which ironically kinda makes it closer to this movie than Man of Steel.

>>149351112
To Hollywood any place that's not Los Angeles, Seattle, Chicago, NYC, or Miami is rural Mississippi except with cornfields because they don't know what rural Mississippi looks like and they're actually unaware that dairy farms and cattle ranches are a thing because food comes from Doordash and UberEats.

>>149351252
horrid idea

How's Hawkgirl? I know that she's not Shayera, but is she alright?

>>149351683
You were right up until the cattle part because the Kents explicitly have cows.
Which is something I've always kinda wondered actually. What kind of farmers are they supposed to be?

>>149351689
REEEEEEEEEEEE

>>149351252
But who are the Kryptonians selling these planets to? Brainiac?

>While Clark still has his Krypton heritage, he embraces being human, Ma and Pa, and a good ol' boy from Kansas, USA.
Based.

>>149351698
Not great, then?

>>149351689
She's not really in it enough to get a bead on her. They did this weird thing with her making bird screeches in combat and she gets a big moment in dropping the evil dictator to his death but that's about it. Nothing too offensive.

>>149351707
It's the most common sound she makes.

>>149351708
Tell me more about the spoiler thing. Is it supposed to be a good thing or not? Where does the movie stand on superheroes that do these things?

>>149351689

She kills someone in cold blood in the movie

>>149351707
Nah, she's just a screamer.

>>149351713
It doesn't take a stand either way.

>>149351601
The birthing matrix was a small blip that was fastly retconned and only came about because a writer got too assbasted about Superman "being an immigrant." Jor-El being a "lone voice of reason" like Cassandra trying to convince everyone of Krypton's impending doom and having to send baby Kal-El away as their last ditch hope has always been consistent.

>>149351713
I've just rewatched the first three episodes of Justice League, and they just murder a bunch of aliens in cold blood. Those weren't parademons either, actual individual aliens with free will.

>>149351713

Justice Gang seems cool on it.

Superman paradoxically saves animals but mentions wanting to euthanize a monster, attempts to kill Engineer and kills Bizarro.

>>149351713
Kind of on the middle ground. Superman doesn't, he'd rather relocate the kaiju than kill it but Terrific and Hawkgirl seem to be okay with killing when the situation calls for it.
Dictator guy explicitly taunts Hawkgirl by saying that superheroes don't kill, to which she says she's not like Superman before dropping him

>>149351746
the movie mentions that Superman is okay with killing only as a last resort

>>149351689
I thought she was really hot

>>149351395
It is, but dat boy in the white house over there is... special.

>>149351686
>>149351701
Yes. You see, Anons. Braniac was an evil emperor alien who supplied the Kryptonians with advanced technology until he became weary of how powerful they were becoming then after learning of their legend that one day a "Superman" would be born who would be the most powerful of them all, he blew the planet up. The only survivors were Superman because he was sent to a backwater planet named Earth as a baby because it would be an easy conquer, and Superman's brother who was on a mission with Zod (who's the son of Krypton's king, King Zod), and Zod's right-hand Kryptonian servant. After Krypton was blown up they then were recruited into the Braniac Force to act as Braniac's enforcers.

In movie 2, after he finishes training with Highfather and defeats Zod, Superman travels to Martian Manunter's homeworld where he runs into Braniac and has a showdown with him where Braniac realizes he's unwittingly fulfilled the prophecy by destroying Krypton which lead to the creation of the legendary "Superman" he so feared.

>>149351359
I automatically assume anyone who defends this scene is trolling

>>149351359
It's about keeping his identity a secret dumbass, superman can't be hurt and the movie proves it by making aliens come all the way to Earth to actually pose a threat to him. Not only that but again and again superman keeps acting irrartionally and does stupid shit like wrecking that truck and exposing his identity to Lois. It's stupid, especially when we have another superman that placed his secret identity above everything else without his father dying in such a stupid way and actually comitted to keeping his identity a secret to the very end.

>>149351708
Should've had her poop on his head.

>>149351525
I liked that they made Jimmy a footchad

>>149351800
...elaborate.

>>149351735
Do you mean the White Martians or are you counting that as one episode?

>>149351617
That's unnecessary though. Normies don't even remember Man of Steel or BvS. They came out centuries ago in normie years.

>>149351791
retard

>>149351812
I mean the Imperium three-parter.

>>149351809
There's a girl that he broke up with who is in his phone as "mutant toes"

>The only way to introduce DCU Kandor is to have them be a bunch of horrible eugenicists like Jore-El and Superman needs to keep them in the Fortress due to fear of them ever escaping and taking over Earth,

>>149351814
Snydercult is running a smear campaign as we speak, bro.

>>149351692
They're LEAD FARMERS, MOTHERFUCKER!

>>149351823
I feel like that was a special case
>>149351816
But don't you see, Anon? That would lead perfectly into Movie 3 where while Superman and the gang were on Mars (and have now made begrudging friends with Zod) they return to Earth to find Lex Luthor has made an evil experiment that combines all heroes powers called Doomsday that begins terrorizing the planet. It's onyl after they manage to trick Doomsday into hosting a large fighting tournament to "test his powers" that they're able to train for a year before they all 1v1 him in the ring with Superman almost dying until at the end Zod sacrifices himself to distract Doomsday long enough for Superman to launch a final attack that rockets him into space and destroys him down to his last cell so that he can't regenerate, thus saving the Earth for good.

As a joke, there could even be some ridiculous human fighter who makes a cameo like John Cena and at the end through comical misunderstandings everyone ends up thinking he was the one who actually defeated Doomsday.

>>149351833
I wonder if Kara will be from Kandor?

>>149351692
>What kind of farmers are they supposed to be?
I think Pa is usually seen farming corn or wheat

>>149351816
>he lacks critical information

>>149351889
>Kara's absences where Clark has to watch Krypto are always at least nine months

>>149351833
*and breeding Earth into submission

>>149351910
I put in the work

>>149351942
You are the most prized concubine in her #SecretHarem.

>>149351796
holy esl

>superman can't be hurt
his loved ones can
>superman keeps acting irrationally
it's his first day
>wrecking that truck
fuck that guy anyway
>exposing his identity to Lois
she already figured it out and he convinced her to keep the secret

Does Krypton practice sexual equality? Does that mean Supergirl is also on a mission from Zor-el to be a breeding sow for human men?

>>149352032
She's a breeding sow for all the planets she parties on.

>>149351252
Fuck, Dragon Ball was really so fucking kino when you think about it. Absolutely insane plot.

>>149343480

The primary conflict of the movie is so blatantly about Israel/Palestine that they literally cast the happy merchant meme as Netanyahu, the Kryptonian language in the message sounds like Hebrew and is revealed to be a secret plan to have Superman out-breed the human race by stealing our women, and Superman gives a speech near the end about how whatever his blood is in his heart he's human while the rest of the Justice Gang destroys the IDF on his orders.

It's hilarious that /pol/ is whinging that the movie is "woke" when it's a two-hour long commercial for "Israel is bad but Jews can redeem themselves by opposing it"

>>149351869
>>149351896
nice autism post gg

>>149351710

I think it's supposed to be a hawk screech, because....she's Hawk Girl? I don't think I've ever seen Hawkgirl do that anywhere, but I'm also not exactly a Hawk girl expert

>>149352094
>>149352050
Gee no wonder i find his post somewhat familiar.
the jokes on me

I had fun

>>149351713

Hawkgirl killing Netanyahu is a big "yay!" moment you're meant to cheer.

Superman gets miffed at the Justice Gang killing the kaiju but he doesn't make a big thing of it. The inference is that superheroes in this world kill sometimes but try to avoid it to the best of their ability.

I liked the movie. It was very hopepilled. I liked when Superman saved the day :)

>>149342656
>>149350248
>>149343966
>illiterate

>>149352177
I hate when Superman saved the day.

>>149352201
FUCK YOU LEX YOU BALD PIECE OF SHIT
WHY HAVEN'T YOU CLONED SUPERGIRL FOR ME YET

>>149352052
It's just a psyop so Zionists can point to the movie in a couple years, lie and claim to be doing exactly that, then go: "I CAN'T BELIEVE chuds can LITERALLY watch a movie like Superman then not understand THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING!!!!!"

>>149352115
Kek

Lex seemed more evil in this movie than usual.

Only one man's autism is gonna matter

>>149352163
>>Hawkgirl killing Netanyahu
You're joking

>>149352250
He's small time compared to Eisenberg's Martin Shkreli-ass Lex. Dude radiated seethe.

>>149342645 (OP)
James Gun,,,kind men . My supermen brothers will only agree ,,,

>>149352251
Wait, I meant to say opinion

>>149352290
No you didn't.

Halbros what if people think Guy is cooler than Hal now...

>>149352260
It's a combination not-Israel and not-Russia. The Israel comparisons are coming from they're a US ally invading a smaller, poorer country that's "imperfect" but doesn't deserve the destruction they're getting

>>149352260

I am not, the secondary bad villain of this movie is very blatantly Benjamin Netanyahu, and the main conflict is even more blatantly Israel vs Palestine.

In the climax, Guy Gardner solos the IDF to save Palestinian civilians and Hawkgirl breaks into Netanyahu's house and drops him to his death. It's also insinuate that Superman shoved a cactus up Netanyahu's ass in the backstory.

>>149352391

The dude is played by the happy merchant meme, and there's literally a scene of Arab children throwing rocks at his tanks. It is not subtle.

So... is this like the Barbie movie, which was actually pretty good?

>>149352391
>>149352411
Holy based, his ghost is rising from the grave

>>149352344
Always has been

>Never before spoken space language
>People guess what they say based off Earth languages
>Info brought to them by Lex Luthor
Yall believe that shit?

>>149352344

So the moral of the story is superheroes can insert themselves into geopolitical conflicts despite not being elected?

>>149352503
Movie never contradicts the conclusion. It's a retarded conclusion, but it's never contradicted.

>>149352032
BUTTERFACE WOMAN

Which League/Society are we getting?

>>149352542
I think she's ugly-cute. Basically her face is ugly but in such a specific way that it comes back around to being cute.

>>149352560
true she doesn't look too bad

>>149352032
Only on /co/ do I see people ask shit like this

>>149352032

If Supergirl’s backstory is same as the comics then how come she doesn’t know the truth about Jor-El?

>>149352447
>sniffs index

>>149352708
>She does and just didn't want to tell Clark
>She never really knew Jor-El that well, or never knew his plans for Supes specifically
>She didn't care
take your pick

>>149345807
>>149346141
doesn't Silver Age Superman actually have a secret harem?

>>149342645 (OP)
Most aggressively mid movie ever made. This shit will be forgotten after 2 months because Gunn sucks ass

>>149352553

JLI, of all things, though they do have the Hall of Justice.

>>149352503
isn't that what MAWS did?

Is there a reason why Hawkgirl's wings disappear when she's not in costume? Is this version not a Thanagarian?

>>149352708
>>149352740
She's drunk and was only in the movie for a couple of minutes so that conversation never came up.

>>149352025
>it's his first day
As far as the movie shows he's been doing it for years.

>fuck that guy anyway
So he uses his powers in a egregiously obvious and petty way but isn't even willing to save his save his own father all to keep his identity a secret?

>>149352507
Yes. It used to be something that was avoided/handled with dignity but now liberals care about geopolitical conflicts and so want to enforce their will/opinion on all without check/balances as their ideology teaches them that they are always objectively right in all situations no matter what, and since liberal people are the majority, if not totality of Hollywood writers we're going to be seeing SJW superheroes ending global conflicts based on whatever the writer thinks is the right answer.
>>149352411
What is it with jews and shoving cacti up people's asses? I've heard that joke at least half a dozen times. I believe they did that in Little Nicky, too.

>>149352437
It depends on what you like about Superman and comic books in general. This was extremely campy. It was earnest, but it wasn't the kind of desperate to be taken seriously look how cool it is of dark leather superhero costumes or rolling your eyes at the camera and code names. This movie goes all in on science enhanced monkeys, dimensional imps, and mad scientist crafted giant monsters. If that sounds like fun then you'll probably like it. If you want to take your capeshit very seriously? It's gonna be an anathema.

>>149352849
Thanagarians in the comics use fake wings traditionally, there may be some exceptions but mostly they’re made of Nth metal

>>149352878
Thanks. On JL and JLU, Hawkgirl had her wings all the time, even when she was just in civilian clothes.

>>149349853
The Saiyan's were all evil.

>>149353037
Until the retcons.

KWAB

>We love you more than heaven, our son
Uh, no? Heaven is God's house. God is everyone's first love. If you literally put your child's life above your final resting place in eternity then you're...you're stupid. You're utterly stupid.

>>149342645 (OP)
This take on Superman's parents is not remotely new.

You guys really it's basically just the same take as this, right?

I really hate how stupid Krypto is. Like, Kara is a bad pet owner and Clark not being able to rein the dog in seriously upsets me. I wanted KRYPTO. A COOL, OBEDIENT AND SMART DOG. Not a 1:1 of James Gunn's dumb looking undynamic non-heroic mutt.

>>149342645 (OP)
>I wouldn’t watch this dog shit for free.
I'm watching it for free and I want my money back. I almost want to blame it on me being sober but I shouldn't need to abuse my body to enjoy a viewing experience.

Isn’t Krypto supposed to be a pale yellow Labrador?

>>149353464
In what fucking word is Krypto yellow? Are your eyes fucked up?

>>149353464
>pale yellow
Retard.

>>149353464
He's as white as a crosswalk paint. But Labrador is the right shape. Though I always saw a bit of Greyhound in him.

To the surprise of no one, most reviewers and audience seem to like it but the chuddie-grifty youtubers all hate it.

>>149353464
He's been drawn as a labrador or a lab mix a bunch of times but he's always been a white dog.

>>149353531

Jeremy Jahns and AngryJoe are right wing?

>>149353752
Angry Joe is the ultimate chud.

>>149353752
Joe didn't hate the movie. He gave it a 6 and even clarified that he liked it.

Corenswet looks more like Spiderman than Superman

>>149349764
It wasn't really a huge part of the "plot", nor was the context the same as in GotG2. You guys need to slow down and think more before opening your mouths.

>>149352437
yes, in that they both buck the trend and lean into the weirder aspects of the properties and relish their gadgets and extended worlds and casts
whereas most properties like this for years have been embarrassed by that kinda thing and shy away from it

>>149342645 (OP)
Does Jor-El being evil even really matter in the grand scheme of things?

>>149352787
>JLI
It's the most Gunn coded Justice League, ofc that's the one we're getting

>>149353037
>>149353045
The retcons from Dragonball Minus and Super Broly only made the Sayans seem less barbarians amongst themselves, it didn't remove the fact they were space pirates who were integrated into Freeza's army, the Minus chapter Super Broly took Bardock's new backstory from actually showed Bardock decimating some random planet's populace under without a shred of remorse.

Goku's mom for one, people seem to be getting the wrong idea with Gine, she only seems chill for Sayan standards, if you pay attention she never talks anything about how conquering planets is wrong, her only uncommon Sayan trait is that she actually cares about her children and husband.

>>149352859
>but now liberals care about geopolitical conflicts
>but now

>>149342770
>No it doesn’t, it just gives him a chance to deny heckin imperialism and fascism!

Are you confused

> we're going to be seeing SJW superheroes ending global conflicts based on whatever the writer thinks is the right answer.

Says someone who probably started clapping like a seal when he watched Iron Man 1

>>149352861
>It was earnest
The whole thing was nonstop jokes for reassuring the audience that they weren't doing anything uncool like taking nerd shit seriously.

>>149352859
>I believe they did that in Little Nicky, too.
I think that was a pineapple, on LITERALLY literally hitler.

>>149354417
Gine was excited at the prospect of Raditz invading planets with Vegeta. Only Bardock ever had doubts.

I think I'll skip it, then. Fuck this libtard shit Jewlywood seems so fond of nowadays

>>149342645 (OP)
>But James Gunn made Jor-El an evil imperialistic war monger.
Isn't this the same thing that My Adventures with Superman cartoon did some time ago?
Is Gunn just a hack or is this going to be a thing from now on?

>>149354367
>Does Jor-El being evil even really matter in the grand scheme of things?

>Superman's S stands for the <Kryptonian> concept of hope

Superman's effectively wearing the alien version of a Swastika.

>>149354543
>Isn't this the same thing that My Adventures with Superman cartoon did some time ago?
No. Clark was worried that was the case, but it turned out he wasn't.

>>149354543
It's a thing. Mr Oz storyline started it when Benis cam

>>149354543

It's closer to the Vitlrumites from Invincible.

>>149354485
So you haven't seen it yet

>>149354585
I saw it last night.

>>149350145
>A DC themed xcom type game
FUND IT NOW

>>149342645 (OP)
What was Jor-El's personality before this?

>>149353370
You're right, but nobody's going to acknowedge this because they haven't read Byrne, or any other Superman run because they're fucking moviefags.
>>149354639
A serious man of reason, who wanted to save Krypton but unable to convince his people of the oncoming disaster, saved his Son.

>>149354597
What are some examples of it apologizing for nerd shit then because it absolutely reveled in that kinda thing, in a way that most modern capeshit shys away from. That's an element that's been well touted in reviews. In fact it does the opposite. There's lines making fun of this way of thinking and proving it wrong throughout. Like, "Metamorpho you gonna turn into a fart?" Or whatever he says before Metamorpho thoroughly fucks them up. No "balls" jokes w Mr. T. You know if what you're saying was the case there'd be several, "Ermm freakin' balls, seriously?"? Etc. A strength of this movie was Gunn's throwing wacky comic concept after wacky comic concept at the audience and just trusting they'll go along with it. We take it for granted bc we know these concepts, but it takes some, ahem, balls to throw that stuff at a general audience weaned on sarcasm and cringe.

>>149354566
Even then, Jor-El's motivation was less "conquer everyone" and more "lead these simple, misguided people through force if you have to, sire Kryptonian children"

>>149354712

If Kryptonians felt that way then why didn't they conquer the Galaxy at that point?

>>149354719
NTA but they had thier own planet
Apples to oranges

>>149354719
It was clearly a last ditch move to try and stop the race from dying out rather than a natural inclination towards imperialism

>>149350569
Uhhh... are they not meant to be Indian?

>>149342645 (OP)
The second half of the message could easily still be doctored though

>>149352052
>Jews can redeem themselves
Pretty sure that's the part that /pol/ opposes.

>Guy Gardner is going to be a recurring character in Lanterns
i think kino

>>149354863
Guy is going to be in a couple of episodes of Peacemaker S2 also.

I just realized this will probably be a reason for Superman to start wearing a more traditional S instead of the KC inspired one.

>>149354691
Nothing I say could convince you.

>>149353771
Based, Imma go watch some AJ right now

>>149351689
She was fine but she doesn't do much besides scream like a bird and kill the dictator cause Superman won't.

>>149342645 (OP)
where to watch the movie? like any webstie has it up? pstream doesnt

>The Peacemaker cameo
hehe

>>149354918
idk. i used pstream 1 day ago, and now its gone

>>149354685
>Byrne
It having precedent doesn't mean it's good. In this case, Byrne having an autistic need to make Clark ackshually born on Earth so he's a TRUE and HONEST American.

>>149354918
I got it from tpb, just torrent it. Although theatrical experience could probably be fine. If only movie tickets didn't get so fucking expensive

>>149350029
Indeed. You fags deserve this and Snyder.

>>149355011
i dont like to torrent stuff. i just usually just watch it on a website

>>149342645 (OP)
Found the shit posting monkey lads.

>>149355114
torrent, watch, delete.

>>149355074
>this and Snyder
As opposed to mopey maudlin absent father, waifish ineffectual Lois, a Lex whose scheme was to make a little island for real estate, and featuring a single action sequence? Thanks yea, Snyder and Gunn both waaay preferable

James Gunn tried to extend an olive branch to the Synderbros by having Superman fight black suit Snyderverse Superman.

>>149351544
>smart and wise
this is the biggest thing that bothered me too, like gunn said STAS was an inspiration but superman is wicked smart in that one literally a few steps off batman intellect
even superman ii ends with brains over brawn

>>149355151
When that dynamic hit me, I was taken aback. Seeing it so literal like that. this and SnyderBut I don't get how that's giving him flowers.

>>149342645 (OP)
Fuck you too.

>>149355134
You're welcome, pajeet.

>>149355192
>>149351544
They're not mutually exclusive. He's smart. He just knows he's acting reckless and impulsive and says as much throughout, but somebody's gotta do it type thing. Like Batman in Knightfall. De/underpowered, genocide taking place, metropolis being destroyed etc, he just *had* to keep literally throwing himself at the problem.

>>149355220
So how do you imagine the Pajeet meme plays out here. I mean besides you seeing it used before and wanting to try your hand at it. Pajeets... famously don't like Bryan Singer, but now also love Gunn?

>>149355237
You tell us, brown.

>>149355240
>us
You think you're a part of something here, that's adorable.

>>149355261
Being raised and indoctrinated by reddit to behave like a woman must hurt. Good.

>>149355195
It would have been funnier if they could have gotten Henry Cavil under the mask.

>>149355195
*this and Snyder
A typo, durr

>>149355290
I do kinda think and hope Gunn will find a creative way to bring him back in the fold in some capacity down the road. Whether a meta wink kind of casting as someone else or an alt version.

>>149355323
>I do kinda think and hope Gunn will find a creative way to bring him back in the fold in some capacity down the road.
Cast him as Batman and watch everyone's heads explode.

Is it just me, or did the tenor of this thread turn around overnight?

>>149348638
>guys, look at my overused reaction image

Kill yourself, avatarshit.

>>149349764
>but guys, GOTG!

Are you media illiterate, plain illiterate, or unable to read a room?

>>149355529
How so?

>>149355529
A lot of people have had a chance to actually watch the movie by now because it's on a lot of the pirate sites.

>>149352250
Lex is supposed to be an evil corporate boss, not some techbro weirdo quoting Alice In Wonderland.

>>149355740
But techbro weirdos are what modern evil corporate bosses are.

>>149355740
Lex wasn't originally a businessman. He started out as a mad scientist building giant robots and deathrays and then became a businessman in the 1980's during John Byrne's run so his interest in weird tech is completely in line with his character.

>>149352344
Hal was always the bland do-gooder, though. He just happens to have accumulated most of the deserved brand damage while John, Guy, and Kyle were all being premier Lanterns.

>>149352849
Same reason as Cap's shield. If it doesn't need to be in a scene, it gets stowed into CG hammerspace.

>>149354685
>A serious man of reason, who wanted to save Krypton but unable to convince his people of the oncoming disaster, saved his Son.
Sounds like Gunn got him completely right, then.

>>149346042
My only exposure to Hawk Girl before this movie was JLU, and I don't recall her screeching a single time in that series. Is that actually a thing her character does in other media, or was that a choice for this movie?

>>149352503
Regardless of origin, language requires structure, and structure requires patterns.

>>149356267
Part of the message had already been deciphered so it's a lot easier to decipher the rest when you've already got some pieces to work from.

>>149351771
Yeah a "peaceful euthanizion" which he didn't do with Ultraman.

>>149356869
>Ultraman.
...who is not deceased

>>149355529
Indian snyderfuckers, anti-wokers and contrarians have had a chance to pirate it

>>149356952
>accusation in a mirror

>>149355529
No it’s just you. Everybody finds jor-el being evil to be retarded.

>>149346042
It works for Hawkgirl because she's a bird and birds scream

>>149354863
Easily the second most poorly-cast character of the year. Reed Richards is of course the worst.

>>149352542
I think she's cute

>>149346042
Why did he think this was such a good camera angle that it needed to be used 5 or 6 times in the film?

>>149346110
>movies confirms it’s real
>anon is latching on to an explanation that may or may not come in a future film that may or may not be entirely rewritten due to backlash
This is shill behavior

>>149345896
See: >>149344990

>>149357233
She can take all the cock amirite? Too bad her movies is based on the horrible king comic

>>149357090
>it works
It doesn’t though

>>149342645 (OP)
total kryptonian death
guardians were right to let it burn

>>149354248
You write like such a faggot lmao

>>149357083
I was saying everyone was on board with crapping on this then morning comes around and suddenly there's defenders.

>>149354944
It is good though. Makes Superman feel more sci-fi

>>149357617
He was already a Baby From Another Llanet, that's plenty Sci Fi.

>>149358196
>Minor spelling error

>>149353370
That’s just them ruminating on what will likely happen , not them instructing him to do so.

>>149342645 (OP)
>Gunn says Superman is the story of an immigrant
>said immigrant ends up in America as a baby, is raised there
>assimilates into American culture, says that he's here to serve
>defends his home
>his parents are revealed to have sent him to America with the explicit purpose of outbreeding and replacing the native population
>Superman chooses to remain loyal to the place he was raised
>rejects his identity as an alien, declares himself human
>replaces image of his foreign parents with the rural Americans who raised him
>also fights Isreal
Didn't know Gunn was based like that

Krypto absolutely sucks. He's like a walking ad for dog hate.

>>149356869
He's Bizarro and the black hole is more like a portal so he'll be fine on the other side. He may be back eventually for other teams like Creature Commandoes.

>>149343480
They aren't evil, they explicitly care about their son. According to Earthly linguists, the message they sent encourages him to rule over Earth and turn it into a paradise while breeding with native females to save the Kryptonian race.

Would not be shocked if they retconned it, but even if they don't there's a whole theme in the movie about imperfections and flaws despite good intentions.
>Not!Palestine has attacked America before, but the innocents who live there don't deserve to be genocided
>Clark is idealistic to a fault, doesn't consider the connotations of his actions
>Justice Gang mean well, but sometimes cause collateral damage
>Krypto is poorly trained but fiercely loyal
>Eve is a vapid bimbo, but her selfies expose Lex
>the Els want Kal to take over the Earth, but they do it from a place of love for their son and their home planet
>Luthor is obsessed with perfection, denies his own flaws, which leads him to commit acts of evil

>>149343871
It was just Myxyzptlik, they had it under control (and were also under orders to arrest him, which could have complicated the situation needlessly)

>>149358646
Maybe on the other side there is a world just like ours, but everything is reversed! Being a violent and dumb guy he is accept by this culture and become their champion, Bizarro!

That would be cool, shame this movie is flopping already and Gunn's DCU is doa

>>149358742
>flopping
It made more in Thursday night previews than the fucking Barbie movie and is already the biggest opening of 2025

>>149358688
>They aren't evil, they explicitly care about their son.
Even [insert your favorite boogeyman here] has a family and maybe even friends.

this fucking Superman movie adapts silly comic book bullshit like the typewriter monkeys and Krypto just for the sake of it, then the casual retards point at it and clap. all this does is enforcing the incorrect notion that comic book movies are lowbrow entertainment for kids and can't aspire beyond that. I bet if they watched the original Blade their brains would explode.

>>149358770
The true thursday number is 18 million when you don't include the prime screenings.

>>149356895
He fell into a blackhole dog, the one Superman kept avoiding because it would kill him.

>>149345703
>Watch how i make your spoiler seem completely unreliable “and then the inimitable Lex Luthor opened up a portal in the floor to reveal monkeys shitposting

>>149358924
But muh Silver Age. Muh Superman smiling more.

>>149358196
Naw man the matrix is tight

>>149358939
Is that good or bad for the movie?

>>149358968
Execution is everything. All the crazy ideas Morrison throws at us in ASS (kek) works because of the media, our knowledge of the character and Quitely's stellar art. Gunn tried to replicate a lot from All-Star and everything became so cringe and soulless on camera.

>>149358950
>He fell into a blackhole dog, the one Superman kept avoiding because it would kill him.
And he'll survive it, slime. Bet.

>>149342645 (OP)
Jor-el isn’t even. Earth would be better being ruled by Superman and civilized by Kryptonians.

>>149347753
That doesn’t sound like Jor-El . He’s far more idealistic . “They are pathetic, but they can be great. Take up the Superman’s burden and teach them to be good.”

>>149350018
Which Krypton you talking about? They had cures for most defects in the Silver age and were mostly a kind compassionate people

>>149351833
Kandorian pickup artists pumping and dumping women is not something I knew I wanted to see until now.

Yeah I'm going to go see it, all the dumbest people are calling it bad so its probably good just like Sinners.

>>149359492
It was indeed good but Sinners was unfortunately not

>>149359513
But I already saw Sinners so I know you're full of shit.

>>149359522
I am, I'm sorry to say, telling the God's honest, intractable and objective truth.

>>149359492
Funny, that's how the above average IQ people feel about you too. But go on, making this a culture war topic will kill it even faster.

>>149358924
>all this does is enforcing the incorrect notion that comic book movies are lowbrow entertainment for kids
That is what it is.
>I bet if they watched the original Blade
you mean lowbrow entertainment for preteens?

>>149359492
When you're right, you're right

>Batman has the same boyscout mentality
>The movies decide to make him grim dark edglord that is always pushed to his breaking point
The point of Bruce and Clark is that they dont break. Even edgy Frank Miller understood this. Why is DC incapable of getting their own characters correct onscreen?

>>149359666
This is a gay wokescold obsession and technicality that's a giant bore to get hung up on and was historically never actually the case in print.

>>149359634
Your fifty layers of irony "Look at how funny and stupid this thing we're doing is! Isn't this thing we're doing funny and stupid?" mindset spoke to a profound insecurity when Sega of America did it and it speaks to a profound insecurity when (You) do it.

>>149359727
This must hit really hard if you're retarded.

>>149359665
Does my man think Snyder invented Lex having an obsession with aliens? And does he NOT know the influence that Irish music had on antebellum era music, as well as signalling the old world influences of the vampires themselves. Does he not know where Stoker and Le Fanu, two of the three founding fathers of subgenre hail from?

>>149359752
I have no idea what what I'm looking at is supposed to be proving.

>>149359767
Yeah I get the impression you say that on the regular.

>>149359755
The guy is a /tv/ retard, he's too easily offended for media consumption. I dont think he's capable of any introspection on why the vampire was Irish beyond "it was meant to be racist".

>>149359780
I don't even know what movie you posted, I don't memorize these things.

>>149359835
If only the filename held a clue to this riddle...alas, we may never know.

>>149359804
>I dont think he's capable of any introspection on why the vampire was Irish beyond "it was meant to be racist".
Was it a "The Irish used to not be considered white" thing?

>>149359839
I knew it was a Sonic movie, just not which one. Tell me what posting some Sonic movie's haul is meant to be arguing.

>>149359857 (me)
>>149359839
Because I feel like you're arguing against a point no one was making.

>>149351544
>who gets his ass kicked in every fight
>easily handles the Kaiju until the Justice Gang kill it
>beats the shapeshifting hoe
>beats ultraman

>>149359885
>our introduction to this Superman is him beaten and bloody and getting further hurt by Krypto jumping on him

>>149359896
beaten by Ultraman, his clone, the only character in the film to ever beat him in a fight

>>149359896
Yeah and then Superman wins on the rematch, I agree that Krypto jumping on him was a bit too much though

Superman got beat up by his clone in the Original Film Series too. The gay one with the long nails and the blonde hair

>>149359919
>>149359922
First impressions matter.
>>149359930
You're citing Superman IV as a precedent. You understand that, right?

>>149359896
Are you saying that a hero getting beaten up at the start is somehow bad storytelling

>>149359963
No, I'm saying our introduction to this Superman establishes him as humiliated comic relief.

>>149342645 (OP)
>Jor-El is evil
>The Waynes are occassionally written as evil
.....fuck it. They only exist to get killed anyway.

>>149359971
No, you're doing that because 4chan rotted your brain away to the point you cant recognize basic storytelling without calling it "humiliating".

>>149359978
>future Spider-Man adaptation with an evil Raimiposting-style Uncle Ben

I realised that everyone know what Superman is supposed to be, but what is Krypton supposed to be? It everyone has their own take on it

>>149359990
>Raimiposting-style Uncle Ben
>evil
Heh.

>>149359978
>The Waynes are occassionally written as evil
When? The Batman left it ambiguous

>>149358619
>People were calling this movie "woke" due to the immigrant shit.
>Turns out Superman's birth parents are evil pieces of shit and he chooses to protect earth instead.
Holy shit this movie sounds fucking awesome. I am worried about how Zod would be portrayed though.

>>149359998
I think he's thinking of the Telltale games, which was pretty explicit.

>>149359998
The Telltale game. Or at least VERY morally grey.

>>149359990
Or he actually molested him.

>>149359997
>(looks directly at the camera)

>>149360020
Why not both?

>>149360003
>movie, show, video game etc is declared woke by conservative culture warriors before it releases, cue months of shitposting
>it comes out, is a success
>"uh actually its secretly based!"
Every time.

>>149360009
>>149360012
Fair, I never played that one.

>YFW it the Green Lantern show/movie it's revealed Abin Sur was actually possessed by Parallax the entire time and rigged the ring so he could corrupt Hal from it.

>>149360028
Quit trying to start shit.

>>149359752
>slop makes money
doesn't change the fact it's slop.

>>149360043
I thought you guys liked it when people noticed patterns.

>>149342645 (OP)
Monkey hands, typed this post

>>149360043
Truth hurts huh

>>149343480
Lex Luthor modifies the message and shows it to the public. Government technology is not as advances as Luthor Corp`s (who created a pocket universe) and can not determine that is false.
Everyone, including Superman, think it's the real continuation of the message.
Probably in the next movie, Superman will get the real (and complete) message.

Remember when "fans of Wonder Woman"/fans of what Wonder Woman supposedly represents crashed out over Azzarello's Amazons killing the guys they screwed and handing their sons over to Hephaestus, and that was portrayed as a shameful secret they're not proud of? And then we get balls out horrible Waynes and Els who there's zero depth and complexity to?
Just think it's kinda funny, in retrospect.

This thread is proof that /co/ doesn't actually engage in the media it says it does because we don't even know if Luthor fucked with the message to make it seem like the Els actually told Superman to conquer Earth.

>>149360119
Gunn said in a interview the footage isn't fake, how that much matters because it isn't in the movie depends on you.

>>149360028
Yeah but stuff is actually woke and deserves to be called out too. Something looking gay as hell then not being gay as hell doesn't suddenly mean shit like that Veilguard game or Iron heart aren't regularly being pumped out

>>149360119
I just saw the movie a few hours ago, the message is confirmed as real

>casuals clap at le heckin doggo because it has a red cape on and there's robot butlers and monkeys
I miss the times when Superman being forced to kill Zod to save a family was the boldest take you could have in a Superman movie.

>>149360220
You and me both. Every time they clapped and cheered for the dog I turned around and gave dirtiest look I can I think i freaked an few people out, good

>"Nooooo! A character who's literally nothing more than a plot device that exists to die is evil!"
At least the other live-action movies and TAS tried to give him depth before dying.

>>149360152
You are too insecure for media consumption.

>>149360119
Yeah, we also don't know what's up with Surf Dracula until we see him winning a surfing competition, either.

>>149360119
The movie never contradicts the claim it's real. Never even hints at it. It's real unless we get damage control in a future movie.

>>149360234
average snydertard behaviour

>>149360272
Please bloviate about your Media Literacy next.

>>149360294
See you're doing the thing where you're revealing how insecure you are.

>>149360152

>>149360264
Snyder's Jor-El
>"you carry the hopes of our people, Kal. live with the humans, help them accomplish wonders and correct the mistakes of our past".

Gunn's Jor-el
>"kill them all, Kal. execute the great replacement of earthlings and rape their women like a good immigrant"

>>149360320
Snyders Pa Kent
>should you have let those kids die? yeah maybe

>>149360172
No, what is confirmed is that the US government says that the message Luthor give them is real.

You have to consider:
Can Luthor modify the video message? And if Luthor modified it can US goverment tech can really determine if it's real or false?
We have never seen the complete message in the fortress of solitude or without Luthor intervention.
In the movie US tech is "real world" tech, Luthor tech is "sci-fi" tech that has creates pocket universes, portals, super armors, a person with nanite blood like the engineer, etc.

>>149360332
Holy copium.

>>149360320
>stop invincible son.jpg

>>149360278
Which makes the "we owe Superman an apology" shit in the news montage make even less sense

>>149360350
He proved himself and saved the city and perhaps the planet, did you see that part

>>149360330
>>149360338
Snyder's Pa Kent sacrificed his own life so Clark can keep living as a human.

sorry you were too retarded to understand the scene.

>>149360368
Sacrificed his own life for what? This was a suicide. He wanted his son to live in fear.

>>149360320
I'd care more about the guy who raised me from birth instead of some random guy I never met.

>>149359166
It's decent. Way better than The Flash or Black Adam but less than most Marvel movies.
The reason it won't open to Barbie numbers is that the multipliers for comic book films is different from female-leaning comedies like Barbie. Not a lot of women watch capeshit, but women and their families (children, husbands, boyfriends) will see Barbie

>>149360368
I'm remembering how fucking mad /co/ got at Redlettermedia for shitting all over this movie lol

>>149360332
The thing is even with real world IRL US tech you can now use generative AI to turn images into video and extend a video clip. A movie that goes out of its way to show that most toxic online behavior is a chimp bot farm has zero reason to pretend like deepfakes don't exist.

So Metahumans were revealed to the world 300 years ago. That would've been around 1725 right? Who was it?

>>149360368
Superman has super speed and could have saved him and to any onlookers it would just be a quick blur, also tornados do not work like they do in that scene, so Snyder did 2 retarded things here.

>>149359266
He won't survive it. This is Gunn we're talking about, who made Starro taking over people fatal and blew up the furry planet in GotG 3.

>>149360429
>Maybe...?
Thats a fucking horrible thing to say to your son lmao

>>149360424
You don't think people wouldn't be able to tell what the "blurs" were?

>>149360444 (me)
>>149360424
*don't think people would be able

>>149360437
It's Schrodinger's Black Hole. If someone wants to bring him back as Bizarro, he survives. Otherwise, he doesn't.

>>149359513
Sinners doesn't deserve all the sucking off it got but it was a decent enough movie.

>>149360419
Amazons, Vandal Savage, GLC.. i wonder who else too,
Honestly it's cool how both him and Snyder are leaning into this aspect. Snyder's flashback stuff was awesome.

>>149360220
This is what people wanted: Infantile bullshit.

>>149360424
his son's safety was more important to him than his own life.
https://youtu.be/tW8KyNCWGCY?si=Hcrdx7XDr2z2NDvE

>>149360368
STOP INVINCIBLE SON

>>149360542
His invincible son's safety?

>>149360558
Try rereading the upper right corner in >>149360429.

>>149360539
Yeah we really needed more of this
>>149360368

>>149360429
>live your life in fear. Do not save anyone. Do not have faith in humanity.
Do Snyderfags even remember that Man of Steel is about proving Pa Kent wrong? How did you miss the point of the movie you suck off all the time?

>>149360557
>>149360558
rewatch 0:56-1:03 of >>149360542

it's telling that even the simplest of exposition goes right over the heads of snyderhaters.

>>149360542
"Your secret identity is more important than a person's life" is not the type of message you want in a goddamn Superman movie. It's such a retarded "sacrifice" too, probably the dumbest possible way you could kill Pa Kent since it was completely preventable.

>>149360587
They only care for the fight scenes, don't think they're bright enough to understand the core message

>>149360587
They do, because they're not the in-universe character. They know Clark is gonna become Superman. The in-universe character doesn't have the same information they do.

>>149360442
It's just a farmer dealing with a pretty big problem of having a demigod as kid and at least he was being honest. What would you say? "No, save them next time and we can all go to jail while the government will lock you away and prob you ass just like they did to your cousin in an alternate reality. Well at least she was hot. Anyway, tacos tonight?".

>>149360634
>at least he was being honest
About being okay with a achoolbus filled with kids dying

Yeah there is a reason people shit on his character lol

>>149360476
>if someone
You mean Gunn, and no he won't. He likes to add consequences to his action setpieces.

>>149360649
Or some future writer.

>>149360587
>live your life in fear. Do not save anyone. Do not have faith in humanity
this is some fucking wilful misreading of the story.
Pa Kent knew Clark would eventually come out to the world as Superman, in fact he never shuts up about it in the flashbacks, he knows Clark is his invincible son and yet STILL sacrifices his life to save a dog and stops Clark from doing the same because he still wants Clark to live a peaceful life for as long as possible.
are you actually retarded and this fact just doesn't register in your brain?

>>149360679
>Pa Kent knew Clark would eventually come out to the world as Superman
Ahhhh we've entered full cope territory

If that was the case, why not let Clark save the dog instead of killing himself? You guys have to twist yourselves into knots to make this shit work and it still sucks ass.

>>149360692

I guess you really are retarded if you think "Pa Kent not sending his son into a hurricane" makes him a terrible person.
maybe the typewriter monkey movie is slow enough for you...

>>149360749
Are you implying that a hurricane was some sort of threat? Fucking retard.

Imagine killing yourself in front of your son and thinking it wont cause him mental anguish and a lifetime of guilt. Thank fucking God the Snyderverse flopped.

>>149360749
The hurricane would not hurt his INVINCIBLE son

>>149342656
FPBP, OP is a 12 year old boy who lives in India.

>>149346110
Could be the result of a superficial translation. Like those early MTL text that lacked nuance. Because the second part could be the Jor-El speech from the Reeves' movie but make in bad faith.

>>149360679
>STOP MY INVINCIBLE SON!

>>149360679
>he knows Clark is his invincible son and yet STILL sacrifices his life to save a dog and stops Clark from doing the same because he still wants Clark to live a peaceful life for as long as possible.
Do you really not understand how dumb this sounds? You really think Clark would just sit idly by as his dad gets swallowed up by a Tornado just because he says "STOP MY INVINCIBLE SON"

>>149360679
Killing myself to buy my son precious moments of happiness (it didnt work it just made him sad)

>>149360886
>>149360901
>>149360918
>there wouldn't be any consequences to Clark being ousted as an alien
Kara/Supergirl in The Flash

>>149361051
There were definitely consequences to Pa Kent killing himself in front of Clark.

>>149361051
I'm just saying do you think Clark would care about that and not try to save Pa anyway? It's an extremely contrived scenario in so many ways.

>>149360647
>my kid being safe vs a bunch of other kids and hell on our heads
That's the same decision he made at the end. I don't think these characters need to be flawless, both Supremacist Jor-El and Let-Em-Die Pa Kent are fine by me if done correctly.

But they weren't.

>>149361090
But there are people in this thread defending Pa Kent as if what he did was good.

>>149361072
Jon understood the risk when the walked into that tornado to save the dog, just like he knew the risk of Clark revealing himself to the world.

>>149361126
>Pa Kent saving Clark was wrong
jesus...

>>149361162
Again, you really think Clark would just sit there and let him die just for his own personal benefit?

>>149361162
God you people are fucking morons

>>149361126
>>149361170
I don't think that what he said or did, in the end, was wrong. Man put his kid above others, even himself, which is morally ambiguous but at the same time understandable. The problem here is the execution of both scenes and how this affects Superman, since the guy was supposed to be raised as someone who would never even think about other's getting hurting for egoistical reasons.

You may argue that the lesson he learned from his father is that a good man sacrificies himself for what/who he loves, and Superman loves mankind. But again, the execution don't make that delivery, what we feel is "Clark, shut up, let them die".

>>149361180
Clark froze in place because of the traumatic event of seeing his father's selfless sacrifice.

you're asking the same idiotic Jack and Rose door question. it doesn't matter if the door "maybe" was big enough for both of them and "maybe" they'd survive, all Jack wanted was to make absolutely sure Rose lived.

>>149361271
That's not comparable at all, in that situation both were in immediate danger of dying. In the other Pa Kent died over a goddamn dog because he didn't want to risk the POSSIBILITY of Clark's identity being exposed and the POSSIBILITY of those people blabbing to the government and the POSSIBILITY that they would capture and/or kill him. That's like three abstractions away. Not to mention all the examples you're showing are from explicitly bad alternate realities where everything is fucked up. Clark wasn't in any immediate danger, Jon died for nothing and traumatized his son to be an indecisive mopey retard.

>>149361271
Rose wasn't an invincible alien who could have flown them both to safety though

>>149360368
>hold on clark i can tech this

>>149343863
That just feels like they're ripping off Invincible.