Thread 149349328

>>149349328 (OP)
Gerry Conway era

>>149349328 (OP)
indisputably the 80s, anyone who disagrees didn't read it
>Roger Stern's whole run on ASM and SSM
>Spider-Man vs. Wolverine
>the marriage
>Kraven's Last Hunt

>>149349328 (OP)
60s > 80s > 70s > 90s > lmao

>>149349328 (OP)
After following Magister's storytime, I can safely say the 70s and 80s were fucking peak.

>>149349328 (OP)
2010's

>>149349328 (OP)
80s and it's not even close

>>149349328 (OP)
Ditko

>>149349328 (OP)
60s overall. 80s has equal peaks, but is less consistent.

Eighties, Stern alone puts it there but there was a lot of other great stuff

>>149349328 (OP)
60s and 80s
70s is overrated
90s has some good stuff but marred with serious problems
00s has some good stuff but marred with worse than 90s problems
2010s is mostly terrible shit Slott keeps going on here to insist is the best decade because that's his legacy
2020s so far is showing that everyone involved in enforcing Brand New Day should've been shown the door back in the 2010s

>>149352079
forgot to change up a part
70s is overrated but generally good in parts, the low lows are not as bad as 90s-2020s

>>149349390
Kraven's Last Hunt Was gay and overrated

>>149349328 (OP)
I'd say mid 70s to mid/late 80s was probably the best stretch

>>149352841
Kraven's Last Hunt is striking for how much it stood out from its contemporary stories in both subject matter and presentation
It didn't need like 10 sequel stories though

>>149349328 (OP)
Gerry Conway had the best spider-man voice, Stern wrote better plots, JMS is the best marriage portrayal

>>149349328 (OP)
Just like all comics, 80s.

>>149349390
>Spider-Man vs. Wolverine
Literal garbage that started the trend of writing Peter like a manchild to prop up other heroes. Only wolverine fan would like it

>>149353910
>best marriage portrayal
Worthless.

>>149353910
JMS marriage era was lousy because it was just Peter, MJ, and May with no actual social circle. With the Michelinie and Conway/JMD era, they had friends, things going on in their lives.

>>149354760
>>149352841
>seething marvel employee

lol

>>149349328 (OP)
Never.

>>149349328 (OP)
1974-1986

Wrong.

>>149357813
Who?

>>149349328 (OP)
I cannot fathom reading 65 years of Spider-Man.

>>149359066
Its like 3 weeks - 2 months of reading depending on how you want to take it

>>149359066
Just as well, you can stop after three decades.

>>149358762

>>149356727

>>149349328 (OP)
60s thanks to Ditko . Peter and Spider-Man peaked there.
>>149349390
Spider-Man vs Wolverine sucks

>>149359088
>3 weeks - 2 months of reading
No way. I have a day job.
There's also a lack of interest. It's taken me 4 years to get through 17 issues.
>>149359090
That's still a lot.

>>149359350
>No way. I have a day job.
what, no downtime at all? back when I had a proper job I just read comics or watched shows/movies when it was slow. thankfully WFH changed that and gave me more free time.
>There's also a lack of interest. It's taken me 4 years to get through 17 issues.
i find that hard to believe. they're like 10-15m long. you can get through far more comics than that even with low interest.

>>149349390
Yeah, the '80s is basically quality the whole way through with the exception of the O'Neil run. The 1970s has two strong runs in Conway and Wein (I actually prefer Wein overall over Conway) but before those two runs you're getting a checked out Stan and after those two runs is Wolfman's dull run.

>>149353910
>Gerry Conway had the best spider-man voice
Nah, Wein did. Maybe it's bias because having read Wein I feel like TAS (which is what I grew up on) pulled a LOT from his run in terms of overall tone and style, how it wrote Peter, Peter's general banter and the like. Really the most obvious influences on it are Wein's run, probably Stern/DeFalco with some bits of Conway and Wolfman added. But it's mostly Wein/Stern/DeFalco in terms of overall style.

IMO Conway's Web/Spectacular dual run is way better than his ASM run because he was simply a more polished writer. Death of Gwen Stacy and the Clone Saga are good stories to sandwich the run but inbetween it's kind of dull aside from the Spider-Mobile story. Wein's heights don't hit Night Gwen Stacy Died but his lows never even come close to reaching the depths of that Cyclone story which may be one of the shittiest (for non-controversial reasons) Spider-Man stories I've ever read. Also the ending of the Clone Saga feels incredibly rushed, like Conway only realized in the last few pages that he needed to end it.

>>149359350
I have a full time job and read all of Spider-Man in a few months, I guess you must have a very slow reading speed if you cant fathom reading it all

>>149360296
>of that Cyclone story
Which was literally good. Conway's worst ASM story, and one of the worst Spiderman stories from those years, was the Vulture one

>>149360823
>Which was literally good.
It was fucking awful. It commits one of the gravest sins of a Spider-Man story IMO which is putting him in a foreign country (one of the reasons I like the Wein run is how NYC centric it is; Spider-Man's the definitive NYC hero) and Cyclone just sucks. Actually both of his international themed villained (Tarantula and Cyclone) are less interesting than they should be but Cyclone is just egregiously lame. Stupid costume, stupid abilities and he's beaten by a fan. Not even a big super science fan, just something that Spider-Man purchased from a hardware store. A drunk boomer dad could beat him going by that. What a fucking loser.

>>149349328 (OP)
Bendis going bi-monthly on Ultimate Spider-Man ruined the book long before Miles ever showed up

>>149361169
The foreign country part of the story was handled better than how it occurred in the issues were he is in London searching for Gwen. That was dumb
>a fan
It's the kind of thing that I expect from a superhero comic. Very inoffensive, there are worse ways to defeat a villain
>hardware store
Yeah, it was funny as hell!
>stupid costume, stupid abilities
Now that is having no taste
>Tarantula
Also good
The Vulture story was so bad that it made me quit ASM for some weeks. Unnecessary characters, convoluted events, illogical plot twist, and some undeveloped story elements. It felt like a qrd of how modern comics are, it just needs decompression

>>149349390
>the marriage
>good
People will say I'm Joe Quesada or Nick Lowe or some shit, but no one will be able to defend this garbage. Suck my balls.

>>149359624
I like to read prose during downtime at work. It's easier than finding and reading comics, especially since I'm still going through the classics.
>>149360300
I set time aside to read prose and do other hobbies. It's rare when I come across a comic that I'll spend an entire night on. Spider-Man isn't one of them.

>>149362339
Sure thing seething Marvel intern

>>149352079
> 2010s is mostly terrible shit
> spider island
> ends of the earth
> superior spider-man
> the parker industries arc
> red goblin
2010s had the most iconic arcs by far
What famous arc is there for the 80s

>interns have woken up
Grim.

>>149363846
Skyrim is more iconic than Daggerfall, but that means nothing. I can't fathom the idea that people (like you) like to read these things. Open a comic book, and say nothing bad about the art, the dialogue, the plot, the paneling, the mischaracterization, and everything else.

>>149364245
Not the faggot shill. but comparing Slottshit to Skyrim is giving Slott way too much credit.
I know shitting on Bethesda is trendy on /v/, but they put thousands of times more effort into their games than Slott ever put into any of his comics. Okay, Fallout 76, that may just be Slott-tier.

>>149363846
>What famous arc is there for the 80s
Sure, faggot

>Hobgoblin mystery
>Nothing Can Stop the Juggernaut
>Kraven's Last Hunt
>Owl/Octopus War
>Conway's big story across Spectacular and Web with the Lobo Brothers, Tombstone and Robbie Robertson
>Alien Costume Saga
>Venom
>Death of Jean DeWolff and Sin-Eater Returns
>Spider-Man vs. Firelord

>>149363846
>spider-island
>city is saying thank you to you Peter
>when his reputation is supposed to be at his lowest after the spider infested shitshow
This just feels like Slott was forcing to make his story iconic without understanding basic storytelling

>>149349328 (OP)
1980s

>>149362339
The way the marriage was forced so quickly was pretty hacky, but the way it was handled afterwards was pretty good. Salicrup was a good editor, edited a lot of good books over his career.

>>149360296
NTA Wein put me to sleep. I just had hard time getting through his stuff.
A decade seems like weird way to pick quality. I really like Stern, especially the Tarantula/Will O' the Wisp story, but over all I prefer 60's and early 70's.

>>149360296
are you from planet earth? wein is considered to be the first bad spider-man run

>>149349328 (OP)
Regardless of what’s the best, my time reading comics has taught me that the worst era is ALWAYS the next one

>>149363846
>lists terrible shit
Wow.

>>149353987
It did establish that Peter can casually beat the shit out of Logan anytime he wants.

>>149364826
>Hobgoblin mystery
The one that ends with Ned Leeds being revealed as the villain?
>Nothing Can Stop the Juggernaut
Not an arc, just an issue
>Kraven's Last Hunt
Overrated and stupid
>Owl/Octopus War
Not a real arc, doesn’t even have a title
>Conway's big story across Spectacular and Web with the Lobo Brothers, Tombstone and Robbie Robertson
A writers run isn’t a story arc
>Alien Costume Saga
Not a story arc, it was only an alternative costume that only became significant later because of venom
>Venom
Venom was a 90s character
>Death of Jean DeWolff and Sin-Eater Returns
Fair point
>Spider-Man vs. Firelord
No one knows what this is

>>149366203
>considered
Do I look like I care? I read it and it's a fun run and anyone who says otherwise is genuinely dumb. It's not a game changer run or something but it's filled with a lot of good, enjoyable stories. Wolfman's run is the first actual bad one.

>>149364826
>>Spider-Man vs. Firelord
You have to be joking
Its been years since I've read the old stuff but wasn't that just him going "I was only using 10% of my real power" for like 3 issues while trying to take down Firelord only for it to end up being a complete misunderstanding

>>149367351
>blindly praises 2010s Slott comics
>uses generic reasons for shitting on 80s comics

You're Slott or someone adjacent to him, huh

>>149368223
It's probably Slott himself. The man is terminally online. That's why Christos Gage had to cover for him all the time.

>>149368480
It's laughable that he's bragging about fucking Parker Industries and Red Goblin of all things. Like if he had left those off I'd believe it was someone who did like things from Slott's run

All the praise I've ever seen for those seemed forced.

>>149367351
Why are you hung on arcs? A good story is a good story, whether it's a single issue, a multi-parter, or an entire run.
>The one that ends with Ned Leeds being revealed as the villain?
The ending was a petty disappointment, but the Stern and DeFalco issues were good.
>Overrated and stupid
Filtered.
>Not a real arc, doesn’t even have a title
An arc doesn't need a title to be a story arc. The Owl/Octopus War and its immediate follow-up was a good eight part story divided into two acts.
>Venom was a 90s character
Their first confrontation was in 1988 and they had a second one in 1989.
>No one knows what this is
A lot of people liked that one because it was Spider-Man going up against a villain out of his league and winning without bullshit.

>>149368536
Red Goblin was all right desu. It was a lot better than The Osborn Conspiracy or the ending of Superior anyway, those were major duds.

>>149368536
Any praise for Slott always comes off as forced. Considering he's the one usually doing the praising.

I think the black suit is stupid in excecution in the classic comics, and pretty much sowed the seeds of Spider-man's erosion

>>149368223
I like the part where he says the Owl/Octopus War isn't a "real arc" even though it was a a good six or seven issues, Felicia being in the hospital and her bills played a big part in Stern's ASM and even Avengers runs (the salary is why Peter wants to join the Avengers and his having to earn money to pay for her care is part of why he drops out of college) and the fallout of it coloring the way Ock was portrayed up until his death in the Clone Saga.

>>149368543
>Why are you hung on arcs?
Obviously if it doesn't have a name you'd see on the spine of a trade it doesn't count

>>149369590
It really does sound like the kind of thing Slott would be pedantic about

>>149370997
>Heh, look at all these classic STORY ARCS I wrote. They're so epic they couldn't be contained in merely one or two issues. Ain't I great?

>>149362339
It was a marketing stunt that was good for the character

>>149367388
No.
>Firelord is being a dick to some random guy
>Is about to kill him for being rude
>Spider-Man stops him
>Spider-Man then spends the next two issues running away because Firelord is so far above his paygrade
>Eventually has to stand his ground
>Has a demolition crew drop a building on him
>Blows a gas station up on him
>Freaks out when that's not enough and just starts punching and dodging until Captain America shows up and tells him to calm down
It was a fluke

>>149367351
>Not an arc, just an issue

this isn't even true

>>149369027
elaborate

>>149372907
You can argue that it's essentially part of a larger arc (I guess one themed around Spidey fighting guys out of his league) since it leads directly into the two-part Cobra/Mr. Hyde story.

Also, Stern's Will o' the Wisp/Brand Corporation storyline that started in his Spectacular run and ended in ASM ins one of the more underappreciated but still great Spidey stories.

>>149349328 (OP)
Why was he a Spider, Man?

>>149375416
So he can do whatever a spider can

>>149376311
Like spinning a web of any size? Catching thieves like they are flies?

>>149363846
Get off of /co/, Slott

roger stern era

>>149349390
>Roger Stern's whole run on ASM and SSM
I bought into the whole Stern hype and got the omnibus, suffice to say it's extremely bland and I dropped it around halfway in.

>>149377110
>Like spinning a web of any size?
he should get organic webs again

>>149368652
I've seen a few ardent Slott dicksuckers online.
Usually they overlap with defenders of MCU She-Hulk, which tells you all you need to know about their taste.
>well Dan Slott liked the show and he wrote more issues of She-Hulk than anybody else, so his opinion is the only one that matters
type of fags

You ever notice that with the exception of Devil in a Bottle and maybe one or two from Daredevil, nobody from Marvel actually has prominent STORIES? There's simply no equivalent to Dark Knight Returns or All Star Superman or Kingdom Come. It's all just trying to pick out the least bad runs from the overwhelming ocean of mediocrity to shit, and Spidey by far as had the shittiest pick of the litter for decades.

>>149378634
When you're consistently #1 you don't need to do special self-contained stories to catch peoples' interest.

>>149363846
You just got destroyed by >>149364826
Slott cocksucker

>>149363846
Spider Island and Superior have to be the worst ones here
Bad gimmicks that went on far too long and in Superior's case needed the entire cast to be clinically retarded

>>149379173
At the time /co/ thought spider-island was the event of the year. But yeah Superior was stupid pills from the start.

>>149378634
>Spidey by far as had the shittiest pick of the litter for decades.
You cant say that when talking about Spider-Man's first decades. And as you said, DC has more recognizable stories, and that is the reason why normalfags think that DC was far better in quality. It's easier to tell to a casual
>hey you should read Batman Year One
Instead of
>read Peter David's Spider-Man run
They don't know about him! Marvel had a lot of good runs.
Kingdom Come isn't even good.

>>149378634
>or Kingdom Come
Kingdom Come wasn't good and destroyed characters and their characterization for decades
Wonder Woman still hasn't fully recovered

>>149380053
It's a popular evergreen trade, still in print.
If a bunch of writers' only exposure to Wonder Woman is that story and decide to base her characterization on that, that's on them. Superman and Batman also behaved differently from their mainstream counteparts. Waid even did a story recently where WF-Superman fumes at the actions of KC Superman.

>>149379173
>Spider Island and Superior have to be the worst ones here

Surprisingly, they really aren't. Parker Industries and Red Goblin are the worst of that list.

>>149381259
Yeah, I think I went biased there as SI and Superior were those really hyped runs.
Parker Industries read like one of those bad Iron Lad fanfics where Peter gets everything thrown at him.

amazing - spectacular - web of
That time was good.
So 1985-1989.

>>149373108
No

>>149382039
Thr complete state of /co/ feminism

>>149379792
/co/ has shit taste every so often.

>>149384217
like yours

>>149384660
Rude.

>>149377558
This!

>>149349328 (OP)
it's always been the 80s, and despite the controversies the 90s should be higher up too

>>149388585
>the 90s should be higher up too
The last time Spider-Man was not complete shit.

60s, then 80s.

>>149349328 (OP)
The decade in which you were 10 years old.

>>149360296
>Wein
>>149366203
>wein

I'd call him "mediocre" rather than bad.

>>149374255
what the fuck are you talking about

>>149379062
>DC surpassed Marvel in 1999

Hoe the fuck did that happen?

>>149390989
gtfo of here with your memes faggot

>>149388585
JMD's two Spectacular runs were great, but aside from that and Busiek's Untold Tales and the Webspinners anthology, you can throw the rest of the decade in the trash. Mediocre at best, obnoxiously bad at worst. Fingeroth and Macchio were bad editors, only good thing the former did was approve of JMD.
>>149391043
Marvel's bankruptcy and Bob Harras being a very poor EiC. DC also got it together by making Mike Carlin Executive Editor and adjusting the main line away from the Extreme of the mid-90s though he wasn't able to keep up the momentum once Quesada and Jemas beat Marvel back into shape.

>>149380053
you're delusional