Thread 149408782

What do you guys think?
I see many people calling DC to bring back Snyder and retcon Gunn's flick.

>>149408782 (OP)
>I see many people calling DC to bring back Snyder and retcon Gunn's flick.
How many of those were multiple accounts that you created, OP

>>149408782 (OP)
>I see many people calling DC to bring back Snyder and retcon Gunn's flick.
You do?

Good, Good, Good
Just different interpretations :)

>>149408782 (OP)
>people
Indians are not people.

>>149408782 (OP)
>I see many people calling DC to bring back Snyder

Lmao. Of course you do. Fuck Snyderetards.

>>149408782 (OP)
>I see many people calling DC to bring back Snyder and retcon Gunn's flick.
I’ve only seen people shitting on Snyder’s take

>>149408782 (OP)
>I see many people calling DC to bring back Snyder and retcon Gunn's flick.
Stop with the monkeys, Lex.

>brig back Snyder because of a dead deadbeat
Yeah? Remember Jon Kent's dogshit speech in MoS?

I honestly loved Gunn's Superman, but MAN I really didn't like how they handled the Els, it's like if in Birthright, the Kryptonian invasion stuff was actually true and not something made up by Lex.
Like, ideally Clark should embrace both his alien and human sides, his alien side after all is why he has all his powers and is even alive, they're a big part of him, it you're just gonna make them pieces of shit, then it kinda undermines the tragedy of their deaths.

>>149408902
I mean, it's pretty explicitly shown that Jon Kent din't know shit and was just trying his best.

>>149409009
His best wasn't anyone's worst

>>149408782 (OP)
>SAR BRING BACK THE GOOD PAYING SNYDER SAR!!!

>>149408843
Yeah, they are aryan demigods

>>149408843
Saar, super power by 2030, saar.

What does Lara Lor-Van think about the whole harem think?

>>149408782 (OP)
Snyder's Jor-El was too heavy handed with stuff but It genuinely pisses me off that Gunn did this to the character just to emphasize the 'man' part of Superman. It takes so much away from his origin and Jor as a character. Zod is supposed to be the militaristic world conquering one not Jor/Lara. Hope this shit is retconned fast in Supergirl or something.

>>149408782 (OP)
>I see many people calling DC to bring back Snyder and retcon Gunn's flick.
Buncha pocket universe monkeys

>>149409912
Tbf they really gloss over the Kents so it’s about time they got a little love

>>149408782 (OP)
What's the big deal? They made Jor-El a villain in the comics.

I don’t love it but having a moral earth father and a selfish space father is still preferable to Snyder, which has the opposite. When Snyderman ignores Pa’s dying wish and listens to Jor El to become a savior he’s answering a divine calling. When Gunnman ignores Jor El to listen to Pa Kent he’s just choosing to be a good person.

> I see many people calling DC to bring back Snyder and retcon Gunn's flick.
No you don’t

>>149408782 (OP)
Only casuals and Snyder cultists are crying. Fuck'em

>>149409006
>"My son, we want you to be fruitful and multiply"
>This is considered bad
I guess religious comparisons are only okay when Snyder does it lmao

>>149408782 (OP)
Why? So we can watching him turn Pa Kent into a coward and kill him again?
We need to find someone who understands the core of Superman, is willing to put in the work to build up the characters and the world, and who won't let how own ego get into the way.

>>149410477
>I will deliberately misinterpret the line and it's implications
Jogger

>>149410496
Would you want your son to carry on your bloodline, yes or no?

>>149410553
Having one son isn’t multiplication it’s addition. It’d be selfish of you to flood the genepool with your mediocrity.

>>149410590
But Clark isn't mediocre, so the comparison is moot.
We need more Clarks, so he needs to spread his seed.

>>149410617
who's we? it's not gonna be us. because as soon as Clark and his descendants fuck enough it'll be its own self serving caste. its folly to assume that every single of his theoretical thousands of metahuman descendants will be as selfless as he is.

>>149410642
They will be if he raises them to be.
And don't act like you wouldn't line up to be part of Kara's harem of husbands.

You just don't want Supes to get his dick wet because you think he'll "steal" the women you weren't going to get anyways lmao

>>149410759
I’ve give given the opportunity to be in polycules before, I don’t feel the need to embarrass myself.

>jeet self inserts as the Kryptonian crypto-aryan cucking everyone else out of their women

Whatever you like anon

>>149408782 (OP)
I think the outrage over Jor-El is massively overblown if not outright manufactured in an attempt to find something to hate about the movie

Jor El is only barely a character

>>149409912
>Jor as a character
what character

>>149410830
I don’t think it started as the latter though obviously Snyderfags have latched on. tbqh it does stand out as an intentional alteration from the mythos in a movie that otherwise takes the whole DCU basically at face value. That said it barely matters in the long run, doesn’t effect the core conceit of Superman as a character, and I don’t personally mind.

>>149408782 (OP)
>I see many people
snyder cultist like you are not """"people""""

>>149410807
Who said anything about self inserting?
Or Jeets?
Are you okay bro? You got brain damage?

>>149408782 (OP)
This is 4chan, say rape

>>149410905
you did
you did
yeah
no
>>149410929
he stole of from twitter to farm outrage

>>149408782 (OP)
Donner's was the best and most altruistic take, exactly what Jor-El should be portrayed in all mainstream versions.
Snyder's was okay—inspirational, but slightly... egotistical? He basically said, "Go and rule them wisely."
Gunn's was obviously the worst. Let's just pretend Luthor edited the tape and forget about it. But Mark Waid loved it for some reason. I don't understand why. Isn't he supposed to be one of Superman's (and thus Jor-El's) truest fans? Or is he just pretending to love it now because his career in DC is hanging by a very thin thread, and if he gets fired, it's basically retirement for him, because Marvel doesn't want him back? Does he HAVE, to pretend he likes this version more than the others? Hard to tell.

>>149410984
maybe Waid just likes Byrne's Man of Steel where Jor-El is a dick.

>>149408782 (OP)
It's probably the only part of the movie I unambiguously disliked. Other things are just nitpicks that I can ignore well enough, but this actually bothered me, although it didn't ruin the movie.

>>149411015
>maybe Waid just likes Byrne's Man of Steel
He hates Man of Steel and the entire Byrne run, probably even more than Snyder's movie, that's why he first advocated for the Superman 2000 project, which was basically BND for Superman 7 years before the actual Spider-Man BND happened, he wanted to return to the Silver/Bronze Age status quo. When that project didn't get an approval, he begged DC to let him write a new Superman origin story, which became Birthright.
But yeah, Waid is weird, given that the only scene he liked in Snyder's movie was that Pa Kent's death scene. He's always acting like he likes Superman when he's le heckin wholesome, and then praises the edgiest shit ever.

>>149408782 (OP)
>I see many people calling DC to bring back Snyder and retcon Gunn's movie.
No you don't.

>>149411131
There are many people even on /r/boxoffice who are calling for it, even if most of them realize it'll never happen.

>>149411195
yes, there are being many people on the Reddit, saar

>>149410440
Just what was that dying wish?

>>149408782 (OP)
>I see many people calling DC to bring back Snyder and retcon Gunn's flick.
Indians aren't people though.

>>149411275
For Clark to find personal happiness by ignoring the world’s need of him. He then doesn’t do that and spends 3 movies absolutely miserable so maybe Pa Kent was onto something.

>>149411286
Indians are the only ones outside America who actually like Gunn's flick more than Snyder's and Donner's kinos.

>>149410485
I think you watched the wrong movie.
Jonathan Kent had no dying wish when he died in Man of Steel, right?

>>149410929
>>149410936
Is this generation really so timid that they can't say the name of crimes?

>>149411930
Yes.

>>149411930
A lot of gayass platforms censor stuff like that automatically. If you only use 4chan, it's a totally foreign concept. I myself only know this from secondhand accounts of people who use gayass platforms.

>>149408782 (OP)
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>>149408782 (OP)
>I see many people calling DC to bring back Snyder and retcon Gunn's flick.
Where? The Mumbai slums? Israel?

>>149408782 (OP)
I bet Supergirl is the one with the real secret harem.

>>149411983
>If you only use 4chan, it's a totally foreign concept
onions, desu.

>>149411275
>Just what was that dying wish?
STOP, INVULNERABLE SON

>>149410553
>I will continue to misinterpret
You know acting retarded and being retarded are more or less the same thing right?
>>149411467
I think you need to proof read your posts. That shit you typed makes zero sense.

>>149408782 (OP)
wtf is that marlon brando?

>>149411275
"Never get involved".

>>149412957
Not only is that Marlon Brando, the script of the movie was done by Mario Puzo.

>>149412957
You expect him to obese and in ill health?

>>149410477
It's just boring and makes it seem like it's aping the Viltrumites from Invincible, which was a subversion of Superman in the first place.

>>149408782 (OP)
Why do you want Snyder to have to come back and make superhero movies? He's gone on the record about how he was never as much of a superhero guy as he was a fan of European comics, mythology, Heavy Metal, etc. he's got other projects in progress currently that still need conclusions, why revive his DC storyline that's been dormant for years now?

>>149410477
the movie constantly shoves it into your face that you're supposed to view it as a bad thing

for fuck's sake they made multiple uses of the word HAREM in a kids movie

>>149413050
It's a PG 13 movie, like most superhero films. It's for teenagers and up.

>>149413175
still completely stupid to shove the concept of a harem into a superman story
especially if you're gonna make the rest of the movie about how much of a heckerino good boy he is

>>149410440
>When Snyderman ignores Pa’s dying wish and listens to Jor El to become a savior he’s answering a divine calling. When Gunnman ignores Jor El to listen to Pa Kent he’s just choosing to be a good person.

Reeve ignored Brando El and listened to Pa when he turned back time too

>>149413050
>>149413238
Actually fucking cringed
Luckily it was the only truly bad part of the movie. But for some reason they just kept bringing it up.

>>149408782 (OP)
>Superman can superfuck every single woman on earth simultaneously giving every single man a super-vasectomy for good measure, elevating earthlings into a race of gods
>doesn't
Superman was the true villain all along.

>>149413271
They wouldn't be earthling, they would be diluted half Kryptonians

>>149408782 (OP)
Rebel Moon is proof that Snyder is not fit for storytelling. Couldn't even do goddamn Star Wars well.

>>149408782 (OP)
Those women had it coming

>>149413406
Yeah, if want to watch a Seven Samura film, just watch the original, the Western remake, or even Battle Beyond the Stars.

>>149409912
>zod shows up
>he's the kryptonian equivalent of antifa

>>149408782 (OP)
Gunn hates her father so he inserts that trauma in every movie he makes.

>>149411930
It's not about that for the majority of them, it's that the algorithm on various platforms will penalize you for using it uncensored.

>>149413238
There's a whole Y the Last Man version of Superman out there.

>>149411345
>>149412974
Didnt say that.

He told Clark what was the easy way, not to take that way. He just showed him there were many paths in life and let Clark choose which one.
Pa Kent dies protecting his son from the world (and he was right considering MoS and BvS). His actions at the end teach Clark to do the right thing, what you really believe in even at the cost of your own life. Pa Kent knew there was an easy way out (asking Clark for help) but he couldnt put Clark in danger. So he CHOOSE his own path. Selfless sacrifice.

Pa Kent is about being wise. Know all the paths. And decide which one is for you. In both cases Pa Kent and Clark, they take the hard road, the right one.

>>149408782 (OP)
I don't hate the message but I do think it should have been left more vague. Like there's a possibility that the video was doctored. But that was only a minor thing.
Also I used to think that most Snynder fans were just people being ironic to troll. But I don't know now.

>>149408782 (OP)
I remember back in the late 00s / early 2010s people bitching about all super hero movies being GRIMM DARK, now they bitch about them being not being GRIMM DARK enough, aint no way to keep everyone happy, it's cycle, the movie is alright

Also snydertards dick riding ways has become quite cringe, i fucked with the reléase the Snyder cut it was good but they are now acting like some weird cult

>>149414735
>I guess just let the kids drown, Superson
Shut up, faggot.

>>149410477
I was mainly thinking about the part where they said he should kill and conquer.

>>149408782 (OP)
Gunntards will defend anything Gunn does.

Saiyan/Viltrumite Jor-El is a massive misstep that no real fan of the Superman mythos would get behind.

>>149413406
Has Snyder ever actually written a whole script himself? It seems like he always has some one or two screenwriters to bring the ideas to fruition. Who are actually his best collaboration partners?

>>149413920
It's a little embarrassing that he pitched just a straight space retelling of Seven Samurai to Lucasfilm. Kurosawa is already in the DNA of Star Wars since day one, and there have been at least 2 episodes of Star Wars TV shows that already did that plot, one in TCW, one in The Mandalorian. What exactly was supposed to impress them?

>>149415114
Probably James Gunn, funnily enough

>>149415175
LMAO, very probable. As I said in the other thread, I actually rather liked Twilight of the Gods, and wouldn't mind if that was what he focused on for a while, I think he was more just overseeing that project than collaborating on the script in any case but it's more worthwhile than Rebel Moon, that's for sure.

>>149408782 (OP)
Stop poisoning the well on all Gunn criticism with SNYDER SNYDER SNYDER

>will defend anything
But enought about Rebel SLOP

I don't understand why you faggots keep responding to obvious bait threads and then cry about this board declining every day

>>149408782 (OP)
I still think it's a wilful mistranslation on Luthor's part. Maybe those Kryptonian words COULD mean that, but they could also have softer and less generally insane meanings that he chose to ignore for obvious reasons. Anyway, Kryptonian is a language with exceedingly few accessible sources, with only one living native speaker in Kara Zor-El, and she clearly isn't the sort to sit down for a bunch of linguistics nerds.

>>149408782 (OP)
Fuck Snyder and Snyderfags.

>>149415307
Cause it's fun.

>>149414831
>now they bitch about them being not being GRIMM DARK enough

Literally no one is doing that except the handful of Snyderfag autists somehow still in existence.

>>149413271
>entire planet of inbred half-breeds

I don't get the bitching, it's a good development. It emphasizes that Superman isn't a space god or Just Naturally Good, he's good by choice. And the Kryptonians should be more inhuman and less divine.

>>149415363
No it isn't you parasite

>>149415420
They already did that 30 years ago in the DCAU where Jor-El and Lara are just presented as normal people.

>>149415490
Exactly, so why the crying now?

>>149415439
It is your duty as a human being to take any chance to fight Snyder that comes along.

The movie was really good
Also obviously a massive rejection of everything Snyder Superman was about

>>149415510
Because it isn't presenting them as normal people.
No one is complaining about Jor-El not being space god. They're complaining about him being space Hitler.
There's a rational middleground if all you want is a less deified Superman, and DCAU already did it.

>>149415439
>parasite
This whole board (among many others) exists to digest and discuss the works created by other people. These works feed all activity here, with the minor exception of /co/ creations, but that's not really what the board is for. If you're not for that, why even stay here?

>>149408782 (OP)
>I see many people
Common symptom of delusion

>>149415568
Why not Space Hitler? As noted above, it heightens the contrast with his human side. He consciously rejects his cruel heritage and embraces the good his human parents taught him.

>>149408782 (OP)
I think they left it vague enough that if they really wanted to they could be like "Oh, we misinterpreted the Kryptonian language! He actually says 'We're totes cool people brah.'" in a later film.

are snyderbros just ironic or are there really so many big fans of the snyderverse?
i thought MoS was an ok movie, but the rest fucking sucked.

>>149408782 (OP)
Snyder was never canon and only the original is good.

>>149415698
They are all Indians

>>149415685
I heard there was a cut scene where it was confirmed Luthor made up the "translation" of the second half of the message, but it would've complicated the message of the film and Clark's arc.

>>149415640
>and embraces the good his human parents taught him.
Literally every incarnation have him do this.
His down-to-earth, humble and mild mannered personality has never been from his Kryptonian side.
The entire point is that he's a man of two worlds. Two halves that come together to form a more complete whole.
Making him reject his kryptonian side, effective means he could just have been a random earth guy who got his powers through some random event.
There's no longing or wonder for what might have been. There's no tragedy in the loss of the Krypton. There's no meaning in him wearing the S.

>>149414735
He can pontificate all he wants but his actions say otherwise. He all but plainly states that he’d have preferred Clark selfishly let a bus full of people die because if risked exposing him as an alien. He dies shielding Clark from the world and the decision to be Superman means he died in vain.

The funny part is that in BVS Clark implies that him being Superman is what his father would have wanted, even though not only is that untrue in MoS, but in a fucking dream sequence in the very same movie Pa Kent doubles down and tells Clark to stay out of the worlds business. So not only was his message fully ignored, but it wasn’t even understood.

>>149415818
>and embraces the good his human parents taught him.
>Literally every incarnation have him do this.
A little questionable with the DCEU

>>149415818
>Making him reject his kryptonian side, effective means he could just have been a random earth guy who got his powers through some random event.
>There's no longing or wonder for what might have been. There's no tragedy in the loss of the Krypton.

No, the impact and point is explicitly stated several times in the movie. Clark believed his parents had sent him on a mission to help humanity. He learns that this is false, which spurs him to realize that he doesn't help people because of some divine appointment by distant alien gods, he helps people by choice.

>There's no meaning in him wearing the S.

The S stands for kill yourself Snyderfaggot.

>>149415912
>No, the impact and point is explicitly stated several times in the movie. Clark believed his parents had sent him on a mission to help humanity. He learns that this is false, which spurs him to realize that he doesn't help people because of some divine appointment by distant alien gods, he helps people by choice.
That has literally nothing to do with anything I said. You could make Clark the son of some random asshole in New Jersey, and the story would be the exact same.

>The S stands for kill yourself Snyderfaggot.
Case in point, another thing that has no meaning.

>>149415733
why do indians love snyder so much?

>>149415981
>Case in point, another thing that has no meaning
The S stands for fucking Superman

>>149416010
Exactly. No meaning. Just a big S because Clark is apparently creatively bankrupt.

>>149415375
Thats the thing with bitches, they are never actually in the majority they just loud, most people were perfectly fine with the grimm dark shit back in the day aswell

>>149408782 (OP)
I've never really been a big fan of the "parents want you to take over the planet" angle. There were good kryptonians and bad ones.

>>149408782 (OP)
>I see many people calling DC to bring back Snyder and retcon Gunn's flick.
Back to coding, Prateek

>>149410553
They never mention for him to take a harem. Lex made that up.

>>149416046
If he came up with the symbol himself instead of being handed it by his dad that’s literally the opposite of being creatively bankrupt

>>149415420
Because if you can be good by choice, then the assholes of the world (which tends to have a big overlap with edgelords like Snyderfags) have zero excuse.
Anons are bitching because they have been shown themselves and are recoiling in disgust.

>>149416189
I bet there’s water to this. Snyderman is a celebration of Superman’s birthright, how he was bred to lead others. In short, his heroic actions only matter in that they stem from his innate qualities. Gunn Superman uses the El plot to actively refuse this, saying that his kryptonian heritage has nothing to do with Superman’s most noble traits.

I do genuinely bet that’s causing 4chan tendies, who for lack of personal accomplishment have to brag about being a man, or white, or whatever, to seethe and they’re not even sure why.

This honestly reads less like "People can be good independently of their bad parents." and more like "People can't be independently good if they have good parents, so it has to change."
Clark has generally always been a good guy who did good even before finding out about his kryotonian heritage, so it's not like this change is some sort of poignant revaluation or commentary, and since the Kent's are clearly still good people in this movie, it doesn't actually prove anything, since you could then just say he only does good because of them.
That said, it's not like Snyder handled shit any better. and at the end of the day it's just another random change for the sake of change. Doubt it'll impact Superman media going forward, besides maybe as a meme.

>>149408782 (OP)
I say scrap both of them and realize that, maybe, Superman should be like his '78 version and also that wheels should really just be circles.

>>149414580
As if Gunn would ever be that based.

So does Superman have Wall of China vision in this?
If not, it's shit.

>>149410419
And it was shit there to.

>>149416341
You’re right that it’s not that necessary a change but I’d argue that you’re ignoring the significance of the message from one dad of the other.

Superman is basically a heroic demigod. He’s raised by mortal parents but his birth parents are gods. Jor el saying “do good” means a very different thing than Jonathan Kent saying the same thing, it’s in essence a divine calling. It’s not just be a good person, it’s an order from heaven to Shepard the weaker people around him. Jonathan Kent saying same same, himself not thinking of his fellow humans as inherently lesser, doesn’t carry the same baggage.

>>149416380
Don't you dare talk badly about Rebirth!

>>149416474
Just you fucking watch me

>>149416420
Basically Disney's Hercules.

>>149416420
I agree, but we've already had media where the whole "do good" comes from Kansas and not Krypton.
In the DCAU as an example, they basically just tell him of the circumstances and that he'll have amazing powers, but that he mustn't use them in anger, that Krypton's legacy now lies with him and that they love him.
They never really do the whole "be good" spiel, or tell him that he's destined for anything, or what he actually should do with his powers.

>>149408782 (OP)
>I see many people calling DC to bring back Snyder and retcon Gunn's flick.
MORNING SIRS

>>149408902
I dont know...maybe?

>>149408782 (OP)
I just have to say, I cant believe everyone missed how this is basically what god tells Abraham in the Torah
>be fruitful and multiply
>have many wives, especially from enemy wives
>kill anyone that does not obey
>rule justly
Also upon a second viewing, the foreshadowing was there "Our dearest son, We love you more than land..."

>>149416492
Go away, contrarian.

>>149416727
You first boot licker.

>>149410984
Could possibly be a Jor-El thing that can be explained in the Supergirl movie.

>>149416800
How did I not realize that I meant to say Zod instead of Jor-El?

>>149408782 (OP)
left is peak
mid is ok, jorel wasnt one on the many peoblem of that shit movie
right left me thinking. I don't like it as a change, even if it works for the movie (forgetting the adaptation factor). But I don't compeltely buy it. Sounds like somehting bound to be revealed as a scam

>>149411348
snyder never made a passable movie, let a lone a "kino"

>>149408808
I haven't seen that at all

>>149416060
>most people were perfectly fine with the grimm dark shit
except when it was shit, like in snydershit

>>149415537
>Also obviously a massive rejection of everything Snyder Superman was about
Of course, but it's just natural. Snyderman was a massive rejection overything the actual Superman was about

>>149415685
This is my take too. The message shows jorel and lara as a loving couple, nothing in their body language or voice fits Luthor's translation.
Does jorel look like someone talkin about conquest, superior heritages and harems?

>>149408782 (OP)
Gunn literally ripping off DBZ

>>149416378
Nope, but he has his iconic black holes repulsion breath finally

>>149415685
my hope (cope) is that it the message does say that, but only because brainiac/zod hijacked the message with deepfaking or some shit to destroy krypton's legacy/continue it as space nazis respectively

>>149408782 (OP)
I'm conflicted by it, seems weird that the guy who tried to save Krypton would also tell his son to be like the dumbfucks who blew it up.

The harem part makes sense though.

>>149415642
I wonder what Byrne thinks of this movie and MOS

Dammit, Shooter should have lived to see it

>>149415998
It isn't that they love Snyder, they just have a fetish for trashy-looking visuals that look like AI might have created them. All of Snyder's films have this shitty look to them.

>>149419034
DBZ ripped off Superman, so that's fair

>You now realize they'll be replacing the Kingdom Come Shield with a more traditional "S".

And I'll be here for it.

>>149415568
That’s unironically not an option. The Kryptonians, as gods intervening in the affairs of men by sending them a demigid, must have either benevolent or malevolent motives. In this context Indifference is malevolence in the same way that an indifferent god is a cruel one.

Unpopular opinion: I never liked Jor-El having such an overbearing presence in the '78 film, particularly in the Donner cut. It seems like he's puppeteering Superman until he does the time travel trick to save Lois.

>>149414735
>Pa Kent dies protecting his son from the world (and he was right considering MoS and BvS
>The writer justifies their shitty, contrived writing that means he's right
lol

>>149414997
I don't particularly like it but it doesn't ruin the entire movie like Snyder ruining the Kents does.

>>149420111
I don't think that's necessarily an unpopular opinion, since that exact aspect have been parodied and poked fun at for decades since it came out.
Most versions seems to just have him and Lara exist as a small reminder of Krypton, via what is basically a letter left in the baby's basket.
Maybe with the exception of Snyder's where he's pretty much just a force ghost.

>>149408833
This. Each one serves the purpose they're designed to serve in their respective movies. Shit gets boring if it's the same way every time.

>>149409006
>it's like if in Birthright, the Kryptonian invasion stuff was actually true and not something made up by Lex.
I enjoyed that twist in Birthright, but honestly it's a much more powerful plot point if it is true, and Superman proves he's still a hero in spite of it, because that ideology was never his to begin with.
>Like, ideally Clark should embrace both his alien and human sides, his alien side after all is why he has all his powers and is even alive
Yeah, and? He uses his powers every day. He takes care of his alien cousin and her alien dog. He uses his alien technology to assist him in a myriad of ways. He embraces what he loves and needs about his culture, but he's not obligated to take the whole package, especially if he thinks parts of it don't have a place in his new life. It's all about generational improvement, and the ability of one man to set an example through his actions, which are arguanbly core tenets of Superman, moreso than heritage or just doing what your parents tell you.
>if you're just gonna make them pieces of shit, then it kinda undermines the tragedy of their deaths.
The tragedy of the Els was never a big part of Superman mythos. It's present in movies and origins because it makes for a good opening hook, but in the grand scheme of Superman's character, him losing parents he never knew has very little to do with the person he is, and never did. Gunn was sort of shining a light on exactly how outdated and potentially idiotic it is to blindly uphold values of voices from a past you were never even part of.

BP.

>>149408782 (OP)
Many people are saying this!

>>149420419
>The tragedy of the Els was never a big part of Superman mythos.
Just tell me you don't read comics.

>>149422176
Superman has always been about the person he chooses to be on Earth. Iterations like Byrne's Superman specifically downplay their importance to Superman's ideals. Even stories like "For the Man Who Has Everything" that focus on what his life could have been like on Krypton don't focus on his parents—they focus on the normalcy Superman regrets missing out on—his chance to have a family in a utopia. When the world around him crumbles at the end of his hallucination, he isn't hugging his parents—he's hugging his son.

The concept of Jor-El has been relegated to that of a vague religious figure. A notion that one person carries a legacy of everything that came before them, and has a moral obligation to do right by that. But the specific reason Jor-El's significance has been downplayed so much is that it clashes directly with the Kents, who actually raised him to be a good person. Even the one story (Red Son) that implies Superman's goodness might be innate, completely changes his origin and removes the Els as we know them.

Gunn's take on the Els is simply a revelation that has been a long time coming—they don't fucking matter.

>>149420419
Yeah, honestly fuck Krypton, good fucking riddance, they all deserved to explode.

>>149422164
There are dozens of us! Dozens!

>>149422336
>Iterations like Byrne's Superman specifically downplay their importance to Superman's ideals.
And iterations like Byrne's Superman are shit.

>>149422336
Ah yes, the people who loved their son enough to shoot him out of their dying planet in hope that he might survive don't fucking matter.

I find it really funny that Waid himself is coping and headcanoning that Lex doctored the message or something.
This is probably the worst part of the movie for hardcore Superman fans.

>>149420419
Villainizing Krypton is just fucking lazy man, it's the lowest hanging fruit, you don't have to make the Kryptonians assholes to emphasize how "human" Superman is, because he isn't, that's part of his character, he has to feel some conflict between his two worlds, if one of them just tells him to kill and conquer, it's not really a hard choice, is it?

>>149422336
>they don't fucking matter.
They died anon, the whole fucking planet exploded, you think that doesn't affect Clark somehow? They were his family, his people.
Like, even if you try to make them evil, that's still a whole ton of people that probably didn't even do anything wrong, Krypton is meant to be a tragedy, you're not supposed to feel "oh well, they were shit people anyway, so good riddance".

>>149408782 (OP)
>Goku's parents are cool now
>Superman's parents bad now
What the hell happened?

>>149422868
/a/ won is what happened.

>>149412974
Nice lefty meme

>>149408808
FPBP

>>149422868
It's subversive.

>>149409006
How drunk were Gurihiru when they drew Jor-El and Lara

>>149410419
>I only read stuff from the last 5 years I'm not a tourist

>>149415685
>>149415737
I enjoyed the movie, but the first half is really rough around the edges. I can understand why early test screenings received mixed reviews. Supes and his mecha maids being unable to translate the message, while Lex and his mecha woman could -- and everyone agreeing with it, even though it's an alien message that no one, not even Superman, could 100% translate, was too much to swallow so early on. The shocking reveal itself felt like something you end Act 2 on to kickstart Act 3.

>>149408782 (OP)
How come no one questioned that Lex was supplying an accurate translation of a completely alien language when he was trying to get dirt on Supes all movie?

>>149408782 (OP)
>fat
>balding
>"Hey, that's Rocket Raccoon!"

>>149422414
i think its intentionally meant to be ambigious but there's so much discourse with the movie that people won't sit down and think

>the payoff of the plot is to show Clark reconciling and bonding further with the Kents, who were laughably mischaracterized under Snyder
>the newfound message is literally presented by one Lex fucking Luthor, the singular person who you should not trust, that fits entirely with his narrative and the footage is salvaged by one of his minions
>the first portion in the broadcasted message isn't 1:1 with what the robots are saying earlier in the movie

the big theme of the movie is superman is human, and it allows for the corrected message to be played further down the line in a future movie.

>>149423345
because its the same people who are trying to turn a fucking superman movie into an agenda

>>149411930
But the algorithm won't share my funny meimei if it clearly says R@*e!

>>149415698
Their sincerity is beneath 20 layers of irony while living their worst saddest lives.

>>149423365
>>the payoff of the plot is to show Clark reconciling and bonding further with the Kents, who were laughably mischaracterized under Snyder
I loved how the final scene of the film, but I think it and the film's entire message would have landed better if we had more scenes showing Clark distancing himself from his Earth parents, or not valuing them as much as his birth parents. It would also have helped if the Kents were depicted more cartoonishly.

>>149423496
*weren't depicted so cartoonishly.

>>149423496
i mean they have a scene where clark is trying to get off the phone with ma, and pa kent implies clark doesn't visit very often.

but i agree, maybe a scene in the beginning where he declines a call from them, or lois mentions how she's yet to meet them

Jor-El and the other one did nothing wrong. Superman should be pumping and dumping as many Earth women as he pleases.

>>149419388
How about we DONT turn Superman into a hollow facsimile of something partially inspired by him? Im just a girl with a dream.

>>149419388
>>149424560
DBZ is not a copy of Superman, it's a parody.
midwits

>>149422868
To be fair, Bardock did get some redemption in his original movie.

>>149408782 (OP)
Why is this movie filtering so many people? I've seen reviews that literally criticize stuff out of context, it's kind of insane, or say some shit like "hawkgirl killing netanyahu emasculated superman" It just seems like it's all bait at this point

>>149415737
That's why I'm torn on it. I like the idea of paper, that clark defines himself by his actions and how he was raised, but actual way Gunn set up this message feels pretty retarded. I feel like you could still do it even with Lex faking the message

>>149425613
Why does it bother you that there are people who don't like this movie?

>>149425699
I have no problem with that, and I think that the movie itself isn't perfect. I'm saying that a lot of the reasons people don't like it are retarded

>>149409006
>I honestly loved Gunn's Superman
Nothing you say beyond those words matters. kill yourself

>>149415359
No it probably isn't. DC and WB have been trying to make the Kryptonian side of Superman more flawed for a while now by adding shades of grey to Jor-El because it adds a bit of turmoil and depth to Superman if both sets of parents aren't perfect people. It allows him to struggle a bit more with his Kryptonian birthright. Smallville did it, MAWS played with the concept though ultimately Jor-El was still a good person, the comics have done it more recently, and now this movie did it. In the past other, evil, Kryptonians have been used to play with this idea but Jor-El being morally ambiguous makes it a more personal journey for Clark.

Snyder did the reverse by making Pa Kent flawed and made the turmoil more about Superman's humanity. Which was fitting for his version of the character, even if I think his execution was terrible.

>>149425613
it's a reasonably decent movie that they were prepared to hate with all their heart, so now they have to scramble for things to hate about it

>>149425699
There's not liking the movie and then there's being a turbo retard and not liking the movie solely because you're clinging to a dead horse.

>>149408782 (OP)
Only people calling that are Snyder fags

It's over time to move on I'm glad everyone is enjoying this movie

>>149425313
Dragon ball is a parody and only for like the first half. The later half and Z are played mostly straight. Disingenous gigafaggot.

>>149425932
sucks to be them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G01DHYr-teA&list=RDG01DHYr-teA&start_radio=1&ab_channel=WaterTowerMusic

>Superman sez "reject your heritage because they probably want you to rape and genocide your adopted country"
what the fuck is this message? it's like Gunn's head was so far up his ass smelling his farts that he didn't realize he made racist Superman

>>149428226
now see, the soundtrack being weak as fuck is one thing worth complaining about

>>149428326
>the soundtrack being weak as fuck
Jesus I can't imagine being this tasteless

>Hey Bradley, wanna play Superman's dad? You'll join the ranks of Academy Award winners like Marlon Brando and Russell Crowe.
>Wow, of course! Will the character be as popular as Rocket Raccoon??
>Well, there will certainly be a lot of discussion around him...

>>149425613
I'm just waiting for a 4k version to release. I ain't paying for Hollywood anymore

>>149409912
>It takes so much away from his origin and Jor as a character.
It really doesn't.

>>149411275
Don't be a hero, just look out for yourself.

>>149414735
So yeah, he committed suicide in order to try and make his son have the same belief system he does.

>>149415818
>There's no meaning in him wearing the S.
Sure there is. It means "Superman."

Anybody else find it really fucking weird that Gunn and Co emphasised how much Superman was “AN IMMIGRANT STORY”?

Because recontextualising it with his family and presumably Krypton’s culture being evil, imperialist and something superman basically ignores and abandons is the exact opposite message you actually hear these types saying, where they think getting in touch with your “roots” and maintaining diversity of cultures is important

Feels like something Gunn wrote as an interesting twist without considering how it alters the other things he wanted the movie to mean

>>149422868
Feels like a monkey's paw wish

>>149408782 (OP)
It's ok when Gunn disrepects the sauce material.

>>149416095
Has that even been common? MAWS did a fakeout with this, only to reveal that while Krypton was flawed, and Jor-El was a general of this conquering empire, he ultimately led peace talks that would have ended the bloodshed and his one true goal for Kal-El was for him to live.

>>149429417
As far as I know it wasn't JG who said that.
He said "It's just a movie"
The immigrant line was said by someone else.
The movie is absolutely politicallly neutral

>>149429513
>MAWS
Woke shit

>>149422414
something funny about even comic writers hoping the el story is fake despite liking the superman movie

>>149425854
I've had some time to stew on it, love is probably too strong of a word.
I just liked, it's like a 6 or maybe even 7 out of 10 if I'm being generous.

>>149429696
Really thought provoking response to what was posted, bravo there.

>>149429870
>palpable butthurt
you are being called out because you mention as relevant disqualified content

>>149409006
Gunn doesn't understands Superman.

>>149408902
No, his scenes were pretty good and filtered redditors.

>>149408860
This is why the movie have better box office than MoS - oh wait

>>149430160
Mos was good and people liked it, that's why there is a snyderverse - oh wait

>>149429513
Apparently it was canon during the 80's era.

>>149428434
most of it is just variations on the Williams theme. It's hollow nostalgia pandering, which is a shame because the rest of the movie is plenty enjoyable.

>>149429685
except for the Palestine subplot

>>149422377
>>149422394
>>149422547
and there go the goalposts.

>>149430964
Comics always had those fake small nations that only exists for these foreign war subplots
The movie doesn't make any statement about it. One is the invader with an evil dictator, the other is a not so good nation that recently got better. At worst it says something negative about american foreign politics