Thread 149478535

Why do people get so mad when you say that it doesn't make sense for there to be 2 Spider-Mans in the same city in the same universe? They get extremely pissed off if you say Miles (who we always have to refer to by his civilian name) needs a different codename because "he earned that name!"

>There are multiple Green Lanterns though!
It's not called the "Spider-Man Corps"

Taking all things off the table, if you saw a guy in a blue and red costume swinging around that you have seen for years, and then see a new guy swinging around in a black suit, and people tell you to call him Spider-man, you're going to call him "The Black Spider-man," and I don't think Miles fans want him called "The Black One."

It really comes down to a weird bitter entitlement. They know they can't just get rid of Peter but they want to really, really bad.

>>149478535 (OP)
>It's not called the "Spider-Man Corps"
Yet.

>>149478590
if they did that I would still think it's kind of stupid to call him that but I'd be more accepting of it. It just doesn't make any sense in universe for two guys to have the same codename.

>>149478535 (OP)
3 Flashes
Like 5 active Green Lanterns
and Marvel had 4 active Spider-men running around NYC.
It's never about "Doing what's best for him" It's always about suppressing his success. Anti-woke fatigue is reaching a boiling point as the country is entering a disillusionment era. It's over grifter. You lost.

>>149478613
>Like 5 active Green Lanterns
>>149478535 (OP)
>It's not called the "Spider-Man Corps"

are you people illiterate?

>>149478613
>3 Flashes
This is dumb too.

It is pretty dumb that multiple guys call themselves Green Lantern, it would be fine though still a little questionable if there was only 1 Green Lantern on Earth but when there are like 4 it's just ridiculous.
I think for the most part they've shied away from doing that in more recent years.

>>149478613
>It's always about suppressing his success
Miles has had over 10 years anon. If people don't see him as the main Spider-Man now, they're never going to

>>149479093
The Green Lantern is a corps and usually you only have 1 but Earth has had so many GLs that there's multiple people with training to be one, and it's also one of the shittiest neighborhoods in the galaxy so it makes sense we'd have more cops on the beat.

>>149478613
>Like 5 active Green Lanterns
People complain about that too, though for slightly different reasons. Green Lantern is also established a professional title, not a specific dude.

What is the plural of Spider-Man anyways? Is it 2 Spider-Men, 2 Spider-Mans or 2 Spider-Man

>>149478535 (OP)
No one cares about there being multiple spiders
They care about Miles being called THE Spider-Man when we've had like 100 years of that NOT being the case and no one ACTUALLY believing Miles is a good character
He doesn't even have enough feats and scaling to beat some whiny jap bitch

>>149478535 (OP)
>people
You know redditors and twittertwards aren't

>>149479308
Spiders-man.

>>149479237
They're trying to keep him around until a new generation of Spider-Man fans who only know Miles.

>>149479308
Spider-Folk

>>149479521
Kind of hard to do that when they're still making comics, games, movies, and cartoons with Peter

>>149478535 (OP)
I don't care.
Miles IS Spider-Man.
He NEEDS to have the title.
He NEEDS to have extra powers.
He NEEDS to fight Peter's villains.
He NEEDS to date Peter's girlfriends.

>>149478535 (OP)
Before this turns into the typical Miles debate, I'd like to ask a more general question about all the Spider-knockoffs: why do they shit on Peter so much? More often than not they'll treat him like an embarrassing douche that is unfortunately associated with them and that they take every chance to lecture... all the while wearing costumes blatantly imitating his.

Like, sure. You don't owe respect to a guy just because of seniority or because you have similar powers. I GET that, no problem there. But it feels so surreal to watch something approaching double digit spider characters repeatedly give Peter shit and distancing themselves from him while looking like cosplaying fanboys on the way to show their OCs at fucking Spider-con.

I'm not sure if I'm making sense. What I'm trying to say is that it feels odd to me how consistently these people disrespect Spider-Man yet shamelessly copy his looks and style at the same time. Out of universe, we all know the looks are to cash in on Peter's brand, and the treatment is because Marvel has kept him in a two decades long humiliation ritual, but in-universe I have to ask: how do these people find themselves trying to hard to copy a guy they treat like crap? Of COURSE they'll keep seeing you as Spider-Man Jr if you keep dressing as such.

>>149479559
That's how they fund the Miles comics.

>>149479611
Unironically overcompensating because they're insecure that most of their popularity comes from riding on the back of a white guy.

>>149478613
>3 Flashes

Generously the three flashes can be categorized as “the jokey one” “the serious one” and “the one that doesn’t get used”. No one uses all three they just use Wally or Barry depending on what the story needs. In most adaptations they don’t even talk about how there’s multiple. This doesn’t work for Miles and Peter because they in essence act the same way. So either it’s just Peter, because he’s the original and most marketable one, or they use Miles and make it his 40th story about how he’s more deserving than Peter. Hint, if you need to make that point 40 times people probably don’t buy it.

>>149478535 (OP)
Do we need the out of date, out of touch, old guy from the 60s anymore? What does some middle age loser really have to say about the character that is supposed to represent real world issues of a teenager trying to also be a superhero?

>>149479611
It's not just them, th4e rest of the hero community usually cannot stand Peter and treat him like shit. Meanwhile every other spider hero gets an immediate invite to the Avengers or any other major team, gets to go on world saving adventures with the big heroes in events, and gets to hang with the big guys and be one of them.

Peter is just the loser every other hero cannot stand showing up.

>>149478613
Flash was way worse back in the 00s when it was Wally, Impulse, Jessie and Johnny Quick, Jay, Max, the twins, and also Liberty Belle was half speedster.

>>149478613
>3 Flashes

1 who is old and retired and lived in a different universe
1 who was dead
1 who was a former sidekick stepping up to take his mentor's legacy

read a fucking comic. this is what annoys me the most about Miles fags. They very obviously don't read the comics then flaunt how much they don't read the comics.

>>149479750
>Peter is just the loser every other hero cannot stand showing up.
Doesn't that make him prime GLA material?

>>149479587
Why?
Because he's black and he has to be great?
Why do black people have to always be great?

>>149478535 (OP)
>Why do people get so mad when you say that it doesn't make sense for there to be 2 Spider-Mans in the same city in the same universe?
Miles' core concept is Black Spider-Man; specifically black, and specifically Spider-Man. Having that name is vital to his "fans'" interest in the character, so that black people can say "we Spider-Man now", with an asterisk that clarifies most people will still think of Pete upon hearing the name without any other context.

However, despite "Black Spider-Man" being his core concept, they don't actually want him to be called "Black Spider-Man" because they fancy him a 1-to-1 substitute for Peter, "just as good". So the world in-universe acts totally unnaturally when it comes to Miles, sidestepping the whole "Black Spider-Man" thing and hyping him up as just as good as Peter; better, even, and they often shit on Peter to do it. I don't even hate Miles, but "forced diversity character" is in his DNA. It's extremely limiting to the character himself, but it's what the people who like him, or at least like the idea of him, actually want.

>>149479792
Because what are the optics of the black Spider-Man not being as good as the white Spider-Man? Miles can only ever be portrayed as equal or greater than Peter, otherwise the subtext makes people uncomfortable.

>>149478535 (OP)
>"he earned that name!"

This is the crux of the issue for me. Spider-man is not a mantle that's bigger than Peter Parker. Spider-man IS Peter Parker. The more Marvel tries to split the character down the middle for the sake of a multiverse full of knock-offs, the more damage they do to every character involved.

>>149478663
3 Flashes operate out 2 cities Keystone city and Central City. The Problem with Marvel is 95% of heroes operate out of greater New York.

>>149479611
>>149479750
This is an old, old joke that is still the common perception outside of stagnant cesspools on the internet that spend too much time circling a point.

Spider-Man is always been seen as "a loser" in universe. That's been part of the charm. The audience, and Peter's closest friends, know who he is, but in public he's some schmuck making a buck off pictures and as Spider-Man he's a wisecracking chatterbox intentionally letting his id out most of the time. That tension has been fundamental to the character. And as he grew bigger and more popular, it added another layer to the joke. Spider-Man is one of, if not potentially THE, most popular superhero. It's a bit of dramatic irony that in universe people give him a hard time. That shit keeps happening to him. It's supposed to be toothless because everyone knows he's actually basically the MC of the entire Marvel Universe.

And so it goes for Spider-Characters. It's another layer of irony entirely that characters who only exist to mooch of his popularity similar think they're hot shit. It's another aspect of Spider-Man getting shit on by the universe despite being a huge deal for the audience.

Now, obviously we're living in the present. And so some of these writers are genuinely weirdos with chips on their shoulder using these characters to shit on Peter because he's a decades old, popular white hero. But most of the time, even now, it's just a joke. As bad as Spider-Man has it nowadays, only fools think he's not going to be the main Spider-Man long into this century. People are afraid these boring, bland, DEI replacements will take over, but its their very blandness, their replacementness, that hampers them. It's because Spider-Man is ultimately untouchable that these jokes are made.

>>149479924
Seriously. They really need to spread out again. Make a West Coast Spider-man or something.

Diluting your brand makes it feel less special over time. The multiverse stuff around Spider-Man has reached peak saturation and become boring. The multiplication effect hits here, stakes get bigger and bigger until normal emotional moments don't hit anymore because people expect bigger and bigger. Expectation is the thief of joy.

Spider-Man left High School in Amazing Spider-Man #28 (1965). Even in stuff like Raimi's Spiderman he left High School part way through the first movie. And yet there has always been this perception that Spider-Man is a young teen, not a young adult. They don't want characters to get older so Brand New Day had to destroy his relationship with MJ. Ultimate Spider-Man kept a young Peter for its run until his death.

Miles became their get out of jail free card, to have a younger Peter. Because this perception exists that Peter is a High Schooler. But in the decade of Miles, his comic stories have been middling to bad and his best depiction was in an animated movie. He has nothing really good or original to his name. But he lets them have the High Schooler they want.

But Marvel don't really partake in the same level of legacy heroes when legacy heroes are part of the DC DNA.

Tom Brevoort the Marvel editor talked about how anger sells. Particularly the period of 00s into the 10s. Fan favourite comics sold poorly but comics everyone bitched about sold well. To play devil's advocate, as a creator whatever you do will piss someone off. And being noticed by making big swings is better than being universally loved with soft sales. People tune into the train wreck.

The issue is a mixture of perceptions and editorial. Perceptions shape a character. People think Peter needs to be constantly shit on because that's how it's always been. Editorial feel like people can't be aged in certain ways so the status quo shitting on needs to occur. And then a lot of people look down on this shit they are writing and like talking down to it in a way.

>>149479795
The best part of this is the Morales name. Bendis wanted him to be both Latino and black and then got into a pickle because he wanted his parents to be married but had to have his mother not take his father's name. It was a eat his cake and have it to moment.

All the diversity characters of the 2010s have been forced primarily because they make bad comics.

Ms Marvel was originally gonna be a mutant then was made an Inhuman and got killed off and then made a mutant. Her first trade paper back sold well because it was pushed in the young adult book market but everything else sold badly (and there is the book market conspiracy too).

America Chavez was originally an alien from the lesbian dimension who appropriated Latino culture until it was retconned so she was Latino but had false memories or something.

These ideas are just bad.

>>149479952
>And so it goes for Spider-Characters. It's another layer of irony entirely that characters who only exist to mooch of his popularity similar think they're hot shit. It's another aspect of Spider-Man getting shit on by the universe despite being a huge deal for the audience.
Yeah, yeah, I get that much. This is all part of the out-of-universe perspective though. What I'm asking though is how the characters in-universe justify themselves in shitting on Peter while cosplaying as him.

Obviously they keep the look to keep mooching off, but that can't be how THEY see it. I'm curious if there's a reason, or if this is a blindspot that we simply must ignore to keep the joke going.

>>149480034
It's worse how they never actually give a character a chance to really get over with the audience. They hammer them down regardless of what the buyers want or in the off chance a characters gets a tiny bit of traction they immediately go into over drive and ruin what made people like that character at all

>>149478535 (OP)
The problem with Spider-Man is that he is the closest thing that Marvel has to a relatable toku-esque superhero (universal accessibility) with how his powers and overall depiction are tool-like, but Spider-Man as conceived has solely been Peter's story. Spider-Man is Peter Parker, and he is the story. We are here to see him grow up, struggle, and make his way through life. Not for anyone else's story.

>powers come from an external source (the spider)
>relies on tools and gadgets to get by
>lives in a regular and ordinary setting, similar to you or me

The disruption of the Clone Saga and OMD were acts taken by Marvel to remove the notion of a singular narrative focused on Peter's life story, and Bendis and Slott plugging more Spider heroes is what cemented the "Spider-Man can be anyone" angle. It is fundamentally incompatible with how Marvel's heroes operate because Marvel heroes operate on

>what if Jimmy Olson WAS Superman
>what if Supergirl was her own hero

Spider-Man was successful because Ditko and Lee took Robin (teen hero) and shoved the melodramatic YA "solo teen protagonist" (Holden Coulfield) in a blender with the classic kid adventure hero while not making him a sidekick to an existing hero.

>>149480070
In their defense the history of c list and below characters have always been sort of forced, retooled and tried again. Everything is "fixable" in terms of if a writer actually has a workable concept to make them interesting. But most of these characters will never be fixed.

All of these young heroes are an attempt at a young teenage hero borrowing from Spider-Man especially thing. But they can't never pin down anything to make them relatable without it being to a specific niche online bubble.

>>149480075
>and Bendis and Slott plugging more Spider heroes is what cemented the "Spider-Man can be anyone" angle
The Spider-Man "can be anyone" thing has always been there since the start. Stan Lees specific anecdote is he wanted a full face masked so that would be the case. (Obviously whether or not he's bullshitting is for you to decide.) But letter pages did have that feeling that it is how people connected with Peter somewhat right from the beginning unlike a lot of other heroes.

The multiverse shit or more Spider-Man type of heroes is something different and shitty.

What is the fucking obsession with taking a unique superhero and turning him into just a uniform that a whole team wears.
Remember that 'Shazamily' shit?

>>149481085
Marvel family goes back all the way to the beginning though

>>149481125
Shill talk to make it seems like it was ALWAYS like that.
Freddy's powers came from the Captain not the Wizard.
Mary had different goddesses powering her up.
Grandpa Marvel had no powers.
Now they have all the same powers and same source and same thing in different colors and it was UNEARNED.

>>149478535 (OP)
>The Black Spider-Man
>The Black One
Venom?

>>149478535 (OP)
Because Spider-Man simply does not work with a sidekick. He's a solo here through and through

>>149481252
nigger don't disrespect our shota god!

>>149481277
That's Daredevil's kid, don't be silly.

My favorite Marvel legacy

>>149481223
You complained about a uniform a whole team wears. The Marvel Family goes back to the 1940s. Then you moved the goalposts. Your post was badly put together and not specific, take the criticism and move on. Nothing I said constitutes shilling.

>>149479832
When has Miles ever been portrayed as Equal to Peter? He’s ether been green but lucky or fantastic and not shit on by life. You want him to be equal to Peter oh please do that, please have his life constantly ruined and for him to put on the mask and accept he can do more while working with so much less. Please have constant people in his life ether betray him or die if not both. Please have him struggling to get by please have him be a joke by the writers to give him hummilation ritual after hummilation ritual on the comics please do that. Oh and as for the power ups he keeps getting when are they going to bite him in the ass like the Symboite suit did it becoming more spider like having him mutate into a horrible monster going to be a thing?

Was the Ultimate Spiderman cartoon actually bad? It was the only Spiderman cartoon I've ever actually watched (tried the one after it, but it was so boring it made me hate the entire spiderman franchise). Anytime I saw USM online it was just endless bitching and hate.

Was it actually a bad show or is all the discourse a combination of Spectacularfags and people filtered by those family guy cutaways?

>>149481515
The humour and the other heroes it used were bad

>>149481515
No it sucked.

>>149481515
Nah it was honestly bad, look at how people talked about the older spider shows before spectacular, they could always find at least one nice thing to say, hell even unlimited they said the costume was on point.

>>149480295
>The Spider-Man "can be anyone" thing has always been there since the start.

Not like this it hasn't. It's the ending of Ratatouie. Not everyone can be a hero but a hero can come from anywhere. Spidey was a kid from Queens who learned a hard lesson and became a better person from it. The lesson that anyone can wear the mask now is just them wanting it because they want it.

>>149481515
>It was the only Spiderman cartoon I've ever actually watched
>or is all the discourse a combination of Spectacularfags
Have... Have you actually tried giving Spectacular a watch? I get that you got turned off by Spider-Man in general, but if you're already aware of how the people shitting on Ultimate always used Spectacular as the measuring stick, it might help clear up your doubts to see exactly why people were calling USM a downgrade.
Hell, I'd even recommend 90's Spider-Man. Probably after Spectacular though.

>>149481554
Even if it was good, the hate won't stop because all it's associated with now is Spectacular Spiderman not getting a proper conclusion. Every Spiderman after has to deal with the nostalgia-fueled pedestal people have put Spectacular on.

>>149481633
People said the same thing about the fix SpiderMan show.

>>149481633
Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man didn't put up with Spectacular fans. People gave it an honest chance but the show was incredibly weak outside of the Tombstone subplot.

>>149478535 (OP)
Reminder.

>>149478535 (OP)
people treat being "Spider-Man" as a big deal and a title despite it being functionally no different than being Power Man or even fucking D-Man or something because he's the most popular superhero in the world, or at the very least part of the top 3, hence trying to mooch off his pre-earned legacy instead of making actual decent standalone characters, but a lot of people apparently aren't ready for the conversation of "do you really think it's a good idea for your minority representation to keep being guys getting hand-me-downs from white dudes?"

>>149481622
Not yet I plan to and since the discord around USM and Spectacular remind me of the 03 TT and TMNT, I'm going in expecting what I experienced with them: A very solid but still incredibly overrated show.

>>149481558
We're talking past each other here and you didn't address what I said.

I meant it is something people have seen in it from the start and something people mentioned in letter pages and was apparently done intentionally (if going by Stan's anecdote which is dubious but still).

I am not defending the multiverse shit or multiple Spider people stuff. I'm talking about how people related to a hero. We're talking about different things. I just found your claim that Slott and Bendis created something which had been talked about since the start as being an odd way to phrase your argument.

>>149481428
One of the few good ones

God... can I get a status report on all the fucking spider people running around? At this point I think I've completely lost track of how much this has spread. I've completely lost the plot.

What are the latest sightings and condition of
>Scarlet Spider
>Edgelord Scarlet Spider AKA Chasm (formerly Ben)
>2099 (surely he's back in his time period)
>Spider-Woman
>Spider-Boy
>Spider-Girl
>However many other spider girls are there
>The latest fucking Spider-Girl
>Silk
>Miles
>Madame Web
>Spider-Gwen (heard she pulled a Miles and moved to 616 so I count her here)
>Venom and Anti-Venom (I just personally count these two as Spiders, feel free to skip)

And most importantly... am I missing some new people?

>>149479968
>Tom Brevoort the Marvel editor talked about how anger sells. Particularly the period of 00s into the 10s.
20s too.

>>149482331
But Brevoort-san, where are the sales?

>>149479611
>Best Spider variant
>Respects Peter the most
Coincidence?

>>149479723
>the character that is supposed to represent real world issues of a teenager trying to also be a superhero

>>149478535 (OP)
>Why do people get so mad when you say that it doesn't make sense for there to be 2 Spider-Mans in the same city in the same universe?

>>149482518
This pic is best paired with the Miles game.

>>149482249
>Kaine
Chasm: Curse of Kaine - he was just around, didn't feel like himself, didn't really make much of an effort to help Ben
>Ben
End of Wells's run. Lied to Peter about not wanting to steal his life anymore, still scheming about it. Will possibly be the "Earth Spider-Man" during Kelly's big gimmick for the run where he does exactly that.
>2099
Original is still stuck on that island in 616 with Tempest. Last seen in Spencer's run.
There was also that last mini by PAD that took place right after he stopped writing the original run, probably counts as a nostalgia mini so it's set in Miguel's past? Who knows
nuMiggy is in whatever slop 2099 shit Orlando's been pumping out plus some Spider-verse stuff. Last appearance either Conquest 2099 or maybe the Spider Society book, whichever came last.
>Spider-Woman
Last appeared in Duggan's West Coast Avengers, in 616
>Spider-Boy
Last appearance was the finale of his solo, in 616
>Spider-Girl, all of them except for Slott's OC
Last appeared in some Spider-Verse book, it really doesn't matter which. Anya seems to appear the most in them, Mayday and Annie show up sometimes. Only Anya is still in 616
>Slott OC
In her new book, 616
>Silk
See Spider-Girls. Also shows up in Peter's book for mandated Spider-Family crossovers on occasion, there seems to be one coming up soon. Lives in 616
>Miles
Dicking around with other heroes in 616. New gimmick every other story etc.
>Julia
Relegated to Spider-Verse shit as well, does technically still live in 616
>Spider-Gwen
Just retconned herself into always being from 616 like Miles did. Will remain just as unexplained as when Miles did it from an in-universe perspective.

>>149482633
>Just retconned herself into always being from 616 like Miles did.

This is just insulting.

>>149482633
Web-Head is a MJ surrogate from Infinity Comics that according to Marvel is supposed to be 616 canon, but really fucking isn't.

>>149482633
>Original is still stuck on that island in 616 with Tempest. Last seen in Spencer's run.
Good fucking lord. Still? How many years has it been?

>>149482799
It's never getting addressed. nuMiggy will be the one they use forever and honestly that's ok.

>>149482249
You forgot the other other Scarlet Spider. And Spidercide. And one of the Spider-Women. And dream spider

Full list of 616 spiders for your convenience
>Spider-Man (Peter)
>Spider-Man (Miles)
>Spider-Man (Miguel) (Note: Currently moved to 616 because reasons)
>Scarlet Spider (Michael) (Note: Dead)
>Scarlet Spider (Van) (Note: Dead)
>Scarlet Spider (Patrick)
>Scarlet Spider (Kaine)
>Chasm
>Spidercide
>Doppelganger
>Shift
>Madame Web (Cassandra) (Note: Dead)
>Madame Web (Julia)
>Spider-Woman (Jessica)
>Spider-Woman (Mattie) (Note: Dead)
>Araña
>Spider-Girl (Gwen Warren, don't worry about it)
>Spider-Girl (Makawalu)
>Spider-Boy
>Silk
>Ghost-Spider (Note: Ghost-Spider has 5 clones that may or may not exist in 616 and may or may not have spider-powers due to her recent fuckery, but 1 is dead)
>Dream-Spider
>The Other
>Itsy Bitsy
>Bride of Nine Spiders (Has spider-powers but somehow no relation to all of the above...probably)
And in dead shitter villains tier, we have
>Spider-Queen and clones
>Selim
>Mindspinner
>The Thousand

List doesn't include random ass clones that didn't have a shtick. There were a lot of Peter clones besides the main ones. List doesn't include major elseworld spiders that tend to visit but aren't living in 616. List doesn't include Blade or Kurt or Rek-Rap or symbiotes because there's enough spiders running around without them LARPing it up. List is probably incomplete. Spider-Gods help us.

>>149482249
don't forget the entirety of the symbiote extended family is also technically more Spider-Man spinoff characters, even fucking Knull has a stupid not-spider symbol on his chest

>>149482249
Full list of 616 spiders for your convenience
>Spider-Man (Peter)
>Spider-Man (Miles)
>Spider-Man (Miguel) (Note: Currently moved to 616 because reasons)
>Scarlet Spider (Michael) (Note: Dead)
>Scarlet Spider (Van) (Note: Dead)
>Scarlet Spider (Patrick)
>Scarlet Spider (Kaine)
>Chasm
>Spidercide
>Doppelganger
>Shift
>Madame Web (Cassandra) (Note: Dead)
>Madame Web (Julia)
>Spider-Woman (Jessica)
>Spider-Woman (Mattie) (Note: Dead)
>Araña
>Spider-Girl (Gwen Warren, don't worry about it)
>Spider-Girl (Makawalu)
>Spider-Boy
>Silk
>Ghost-Spider (Note: Ghost-Spider has 5 clones that may or may not exist in 616 and may or may not have spider-powers due to her recent fuckery, but 1 is dead)
>Dream-Spider
>Web-Head
>The Other
>Itsy Bitsy
>Bride of Nine Spiders (Has spider-powers but somehow no relation to all of the above...probably)
And in dead shitter villains tier, we have
>Spider-Queen and clones
>Selim
>Mindspinner
>The Thousand

List doesn't include random ass clones that didn't have a shtick. There were a lot of Peter clones besides the main ones. List doesn't include major elseworld spiders that tend to visit but aren't living in 616. List doesn't include Blade or Kurt or Rek-Rap or symbiotes because there's enough spiders running around without them LARPing it up. List is probably incomplete. Spider-Gods help us.

>>149482249
Full list of 616 spiders for your convenience
>Spider-Man (Peter)
>Spider-Man (Miles)
>Spider-Man (Miguel) (Note: Currently moved to 616 because reasons)
>Scarlet Spider (Michael) (Note: Dead)
>Scarlet Spider (Van) (Note: Dead)
>Scarlet Spider (Patrick)
>Scarlet Spider (Kaine)
>Chasm
>Spidercide
>Doppelganger
>Shift
>Madame Web (Cassandra) (Note: Dead)
>Madame Web (Julia)
>Spider-Woman (Jessica)
>Spider-Woman (Mattie) (Note: Dead)
>Spider-Woman (Charlotte)
>Veranke
>Green Mamba
>Araña
>Spider-Girl (Gwen Warren, don't worry about it)
>Spider-Girl (Makawalu)
>Spider-Boy
>Silk
>Ghost-Spider (Note: Ghost-Spider has 5 clones that may or may not exist in 616 and may or may not have spider-powers due to her recent fuckery, but 1 is dead)
>Dream-Spider
>Web-Head
>The Other
>Itsy Bitsy
>Bride of Nine Spiders (Has spider-powers but somehow no relation to all of the above...probably)
And in dead shitter villains tier, we have
>Spider-Queen and clones
>Selim
>Mindspinner
>The Thousand

List doesn't include random ass clones that didn't have a shtick. There were a lot of Peter clones besides the main ones. List doesn't include major elseworld spiders that tend to visit but aren't living in 616. List doesn't include Blade or Kurt or Rek-Rap or symbiotes because there's enough spiders running around without them LARPing it up. List doesn't include any babies that may or may not have spider-powers. List is probably incomplete. Spider-Gods help us.

>>149478535 (OP)
The Black Spider-man is the Symbiote design, so Miles can't even be called that.

>>149482249
There's Spider-Sprite, but she lives in 616. She's a fairy fangirl who uses the web she spits to websling, even though she can fly.

>>149480039
I imagine it's similar to something like current athletes shitting on older athletes. Or a new upcoming musicians thinking older music is lame. Things change, the new hotness moves into town and the future is now old man.
I don't think in universe anyone sees spider powers as Peter's powers necessarily. There are/were a lot of genetically altered spiders and anyone could have/is bitten by one. And there's only so many spider themed suits you can make. In universe people see Peter as some dork that got "lucky" and out of universe it's because Peter really is THE Spider-Man.

he's spidermonkey

>>149483570
Forgot Anansi. And the Great Weaver. And Taran. And the Spider-Society.

Look, there's a lot of fucking spiders, alright?

>>149483570
On reflection, I'm beginning to see why all the werewasps in New York that hate spiders just stay hidden instead of fucking with all this bullshit.

I used to think it didn't come up enough that there's just a fuckton of wasp mutates living secretly in New York, but yeah, makes perfect sense.

>>149483853
She's cute.

>>149478613
>grifter
Faggot detected. Kys now.

>>149478613
>Miles self inserters piggybacking off the Peter x Morrigan meme
lmao
There's only one Capcom girl for Miles and it sure as hell isn't Lilith

>>149478535 (OP)
Back then, there was only one green lantern on earth. Normally, its one GL per galaxy, its just writers who doesn't care.
As for the Flashes, its because of John's golden age boner, so Barry and Jay must be there too.

>>149478535 (OP)
>MUH "It'S EARnED, nOt BRouGHT!" narrative
No one complains when you call Wally West "Flash".
Someone always complain when you call Miles Morales "Spider-Man".
Everyone just needs to shut up and enjoy the narrative.

>>149486036
Wally is Kid Flash who then became The Flash when he replaced The Flash.

Miles became Spider-man when he replaced Peter in the Ultimate Universe. He didn't replace 616 Peter, so he's not Spider-man.

>>149479792
>Why do black people have to exist where I can see them?

>>149486048
He may not be THE Spidey, but is one nonetheless. I don't think he even exists in the 616 timeline.

see every Miles things devolves into
>Why do you hate black greatness?!
OP literally said nothing about Miles's race. LITERALLY the only thing Miles has going for him is being black and attached to the Spider-man brand.

>>149486111
>OP literally said nothing about Miles's race.

>Taking all things off the table, if you saw a guy in a blue and red costume swinging around that you have seen for years, and then see a new guy swinging around in a black suit, and people tell you to call him Spider-man, you're going to call him "The Black Spider-man," and I don't think Miles fans want him called "The Black One."

>>149486036
>No one complains when you call Wally West "Flash".
Because Barry was dead for like 20 years. Wally was Barry's side kick. His legacy. His actual nephew. Miles is just some rando who got everything handed to him.

>>149486093
> I don't think he even exists in the 616 timeline.
If you're not going to read the comics then don't take part in the conversation.

>>149486118
are you fucking illiterate? what color is miles's suit

>>149478535 (OP)
Yeah
His name if Floyderman

>>149486118
Ben was a literal clone of Peter and people shot him down fast and hard. God, can you imagine if Miles and all these ALL NEW ALL DIFFERENT rejects had to sustain themselves in an era were marvel actually cared about selling comics?

>>149478535 (OP)
The real problem with Miles (and not the stuff /co/fags whine about like him being black or him being a Bendis creation) is that he's meant to be a legacy character that succeeds Peter, so putting him in 616 just defeats the whole purpose. Yes there are other Spider-heroes in 616 alongside Peter but they're not tied to being Peter's successor or a hypothetical what-if foil to him. Spider-Gwen is cool because she's from an AU where Peter dies and Gwen becomes the hero. Miguel is cool because he's from a cyberpunk future where his enemies are corporate cunts and the world is very different. Miles is cool because he had to step up to the role after Peter's death and had his own story just like the previous examples. Mayday is Peter's daughter from an alternate future who's part of a new generation of heroes and has her own adventures with other legacy characters. All four of them make no sense when they're in 616 alongside your regular 20-something Peter, because it fundamentally defeats their purpose. That's different to heroes like Ben Reilly, Kaine, or Jessica Drew since their origins and character pitches don't lie in being AU versions. Insomniac tried tackling this but even they realized you couldn't have both Peter and Miles together without fundamentally changing things, but the comics don't do that, they just teleport Miles and now Gwen to 616 because sales amirite.

>>149486036
wow, well geeze if the one character who spent years as a teen side kick then additional years of massive self-doubt is acknowledged of being worthy of the mantle of his dead best friend then obviously this random spigger off the street who grabbed a mask a year ago is A-OKAY to try to claim the title of the currently living hero in a universe that isn't even his.

>>149486126
NTA, but I'm with him on that. Sure, the Black Spider-Man sounds cooler (and edgier) than the Boring Old Red Spider-Man, but fans disliking that name has some obvious racial implications.

>>149486157
So...no breaths of fresh air anytime soon? It's the same old cock and ball torture chicken dance for another 50 years until Marvel decides it's time for another reset? The only other variable in the spider-formula we ever got was Paul and we all hate him.

>>149486168
So you are illiterate because that's literally what fucking OP said. "You would call him Black Spider-Man because his suit is black" and "Miles fans don't want him to be called Black Spider-Man because that's obviously a bad name for multiple reasons"

What inner city shithole school did you go to that didn't teach you to read?

>>149486154
>Spider-Gwen is cool
No she's not.

>>149486212
Why are you pretending the only options are "we have two guys with the same name (one of which we endlessly shit on and make a literal cuck)" and "nothing ever changes forever"

>>149486313
Because he's a retard who can only function in extremes when backed into a corner.

>>149486286
He was obviously referring to race during the section about fans not liking the name, you fucking mongoloid. Take your own advice and go back to school. While you're at it, stop moving the goalpost. It's fucking annoying.

>149478613
>Anti-woke fatigue
You can't even come up with your own zingers can you?

>>149482100
>One of the few good ones
The scientist
The thief
The thief who also a scientist
The DEI hire

>>149478535 (OP)
it's ok for miles to be called spider-man
maybe taking a different alias would be better like Scarlet Spider did for example but still it's ok.
What's not ok is the necessity to undermine Peter so Miles can shine (which never worked so far).

>>149486349
Your entire argument is that OP is a white sheet clad KKK racist hatemonger because he said "Miles fans would not like Miles being called 'Black Spider Man.'" This is what you've been getting mad about and arguing.

Holy fuck Miles fags are the thinnest skinned bitch babies in comics. You people are literally incapable of defending Miles without calling people racist. And again, the topic of this thread is "why do two characters have the same name?" and you're shitting and pissing yourself like an ape

>>149480034
>Bendis wanted him to be both Latino and black and then got into a pickle because he wanted his parents to be married but had to have his mother not take his father's name.
Would it not have been easier to just have swapped the races of the parents?

>>149486476
He is literally obsessed with black dick.

>>149486438
There you go again, moving the goalposts. I'm >>149486349
and >>149486168. The earlier posts in that conversation you were replying to are all from another anon, but if you were literate at all, you would have picked up on that by now. You're the one making it sound like a fucking KKK rally, not me. The obvious was just being pointed out and you're saying "B-BUT IT'S NOT THERE!!!", exactly like a retarded ape pissing and shitting itself would. I'm fine with calling either of them Spider-Man, but I think you have a differing opinion on that, don't you?

>>149486307
Well in that case assume I talked in relative terms. Spider-Gwen is cooler in her own world with her own cast and villains than in 616. You gotta admit Matt Murdock as Kingpin was interesting.

>>149486539
>Illiterate gets caught in a lie
>Proceeds to tard out
Ok sweetie

>>149478535 (OP)
Miles only personality is because he's 'black super hero'
Don't blame us, blame marvel

>>149478535 (OP)
also lanterns are referred to each other by their name, not as green lantern

>>149486604
not by the general populace which is the problem. The difference is you can be -A- Green Lantern, but Marvel wants you to be -THE- Spider-Man.

>>149486576
Ok buddy, that's enough internet for you.

>>149479750
>Meanwhile every other spider hero gets an immediate invite to the Avengers or any other major team, gets to go on world saving adventures with the big heroes in events, and gets to hang with the big guys and be one of them.
Ben bros...

>>149486212
>black or white

>>149479876
It is funny though that Takuya and Miguel don't have this problem purely by way of having their own stories and settings.

>>149486639
Doesn't matter as long as it's a new story.

>>149478535 (OP)
Anon there isn't even two spider men there's fucking 10 spider men and women in marvel currently.

>>149486674
what are their names?

>Highschool teacher from Japan turned Miles into Inches
Kek... what a great Spider-Man...
https://youtu.be/cE8Q2ndvOWU

>>149486689
Spider boy(Bailey), Silk, Scarlet Spider(Kaine), Chasm(Ben),Miles Morales,Shift(Miles clone),Spider Gwen,Dream spider, Madame web,Spider woman(Jessica Drew),Arana and Superior Spidey(Otto)

>>149486738
and how many of those are specifically named "Spider-Man" and, critically, are active at the same time in the same place as Peter?

This being the principal point of the thread.

>>149478613
>MUH OWN THANG
even his fandom cannot be original

>>149486745
Scarlet,Chasm,Superior,Gwen plus miles and his clone are still active while Peter is currently in the main universe and around the same place as well.

I like Ben Reilly

>>149486154
>and not the stuff /co/fags whine about like him being black
Why bring this when every Miles thread is mostly made up of posts breaking down why sucks without even mentioning that? Hell there are dozens of posts above your's proving you wrong in this thread alone. Why are being willingly stupid?

I'm glad they made Ironheart a criminal. I wish its writers do the same to Miles Morales and every single brownoid character they adapt in live action

What these threads prove is that fanboys are the most insecure, easily triggered fuckers on the planet. Any small pet peeve has to be made into a thing you have to bitch about 24/7 with increased aggravation. Like it’s a personal insult that a character you don’t like exists. Like you’re a victim somehow. It’s sad and pathetic.

>149487053
And? Still doesn't change the fact Miles has shitty writing with a shitty premise

>>149487053
this is your response to a thread that only posits "why does this character need to be named the same thing as another guy"

>>149487085
Don't bother reasoning with Milesfags, they are deranged and obsessed with BBC just like Bendis

Because Miles isn't the second Spider, or even Spider-Man. What about Peter's seven clones? What about the eight Spider-Women running around? What about Spider-Boy and the 10 Spider-Symbiotes running around? What makes Miles different from the rest of them?

The bigger question is why zero in on Miles when there's a fuck ton of other Spider-X's to pick a bone with. In fact, why focus on there being multiple Spider-X specifically when this is a comics wide issue, DC and Marvel?

>>149487213
How many of the characters in your image are called Batman

>>149487241
Helena was called Lady Batman

>>149487241
>four robins
>all those batgirl/woman variants
>there even being a BatGIRL/WOMAN

>>149487213
>not a single BatFolx or BatPerson
the bigotry...

>>149478535 (OP)
Spider-Man was never meant to be taken seriously. Its a casual superhero youth gateway fiction that adds all the popular and self aware concepts of being a young relatable guy in a fantastical superhero but its still over the top superhero shit, its like the proto version of teenage mutant ninja turtles the cartoon. So Spider-Man as a concept was always gonna ham fist new out of place concepts to sell and marker to kids not man children's with families. And Miles is the early 2000s gimmick for kids who didn't grow up with the original spidey comics.

>>149479611
Cuz that's his nature as a character, he's the punching bag and often underdog jobber of characters that are new or have his powers but are still better than him naturally. Its happened ever since Venom hell even Punisher was invented.

>>149487373
Cass is THE BAT

>>149481558
Not what Stan Lee thinks, he said Spider-Man can be anyone

>>149487085
Because tons of superheroes share the same name. Might as well cry about superheroes having dead parents/loved ones as part of their origin.

>>149478613
-Anti-woke fatigue


Not really kill yourself woketard. No one will forgive you for killing entertainment.

>>149486091
Kek based yes. Niggers are leeches sucking off of white men's success.

>>149486168
>>149486286
NIGGER-MAN

>>149487666
>Niggers are leeches sucking off of white men's success.

Who was enslaving who in colonial times?

>>149487053
You're the only one crying buck broke bitch nigga.

>>149487677
Cotton pickers pick cotton. Everything else is from the white man.

>>149487178
Miles is canonically more respected and being trained a suitable candidate for Avengers level hero legacy, without Peter's influence. Everyone might be fine with Miles leading the Avengers one day(hes that respected), but Spidey is still the annoying underdog nerd from queens the heroes find annoying

>>149487654
>YOU KILLER ENTERTAINMENT

Says the person who refuses to read or watch anything because someone online used a buzzword to say it’s “bad” and you’re too much of an NPC to form your own opinion.

>>149487677
>Jump directly at that
They will not suck your cock

>>149487677
Black Africans. Who do you think are catching the slaves and putting them on sale in America?

>>149487213
>there's a fuck ton of other Spider-X's to pick a bone with
They aren't called Spider-Man and Marvel isn't pushing them into every single piece of Spider-Man media. But go ahead, pick some bones

>>149487259
>Two robins
>Everyone agrees Tim shouldn't be Robin anymore and that it's frankly embarrassing at this point
>Girl =/= Man
>Woman =/= Man

Just make Miles into Spider-Man. It doesn't make sense to have any character be white when in a few decades they wont exist.

>>149487677
Jesus Christ get over it you babies you didn’t experience slavery firsthand. Sins of the father much.

>>149487706
>someone online used a buzzword to say it’s “bad”
Like the VA for Miles himself? >>149482429

>>149486154
Miles being black doesn’t suck, but Miles existing to be black does. Spider verse had the benefit of a single writing teams vision which gave him defined character traits but those don’t follow him to the comic. In the comic his personality is “black, and affable” and that’s not enough to succeed in his apparent mission to usurp the mantle from a Peter in the prime of his life.

They know this, and cuz they know his personality can’t sell it they try to work around it by showering him in toys; new suits, new powers, crossovers where everyone gathers around and dicksucks him.

>>149482569
>Crime in Progress popup

>>149478535 (OP)
I was watching the preschool cartoon with my niece and they called Miles "Spin". I don't know why, but I find that absolutely hilarious.

>before the Deku death battle
>"miles is going to wipe the floor with him EASY"
>after he lost the death battle to Deku
>"jump another street tier character won't you Deku??!?"
Fucking kek the most pathetic """""""""""fandom""""""""""" in existence

>>149487620
You mean the guy who dies right before a ragebait mascot character Paul gets added?

>>149478613
Spider-man is meant to be a solo hero, not in a superteam. If you read a spider-man book between 1961 and 2004 you would already knew it. But I guess you are twitter poser snob.


Spider-man siempre ha sido un superheroe solitario, el no es un vigilante o un heroe de estar grupos. Si hubieses leido un tebeo de spiderman lo sabrías.

>>149489482
1961 to 2004 is about 40 years. 04 to 25 is about 20 years. that makes spiderman a group show for a full third of his lifetime. i don't particularly like miles but its retarded to try and big-league about spider man being a solo show at this point

>>149489566
>that makes spiderman a group show for a full third of his lifetime
Yeah, because everybody here and other forums liked bendis' avengers and spider-man being avenger.

Let's not apply revisionism to spider-man mythos.

Why is Miguel okay but not Miles at being and being called spider-man?

>>149489889
Miguel is his own character
Miles is basically discount Peter now in black

>>149489889
Miguel is Spider-Man in the future. I don't understand how this is hard for you "people"

>>149489889
Peter had been dead and buried for decades, and Spider-Man just a historical title from the age of heroes before Miguel ever put on the mask, plus the title kind of just fell on him when people saw that he looked and acted kind of like the old spider guy from their great great grandad's time.

It's as free as real state gets.

>>149489889
He wasn't living in the exact same time period Peter Parker is. He was in a world that was essentially alien as shit to us, and only really adopted the Spider-Man name to further scare corpo suits into fearing the return of a well-known hero from the past. Most of his powers didn't even work the same as Spider-Man, nor did he share many personality traits at first. So it was very easy to consider them separate things despite the same name.

>>149479308
Spider-Men, you tards.

>>149478535 (OP)
It's because he's black, isn't it?

>>149489889
Miguel was bad when he was living in 616 too, like I said that's the fundamental problem with modern Miles. His original pitch is no more so he just lingers around and is subjected to Ziglar's horrible self-insert bullshit.

>>149483853
That's actually cute and novel.

>>149485960
Poison deserves to get railed by a real man, not be stuck having to make do assfucking Miles.

>>149486476
Bendis is very, very well known for having a gigantic cocklust for BBC along with a lot of other fetishes, and there's always been an understanding since literally the Bronze age that the father's ethnicity counts more than the mothers, especially with sons, ergo his dad had to be black.

>>149486212
If you really wanted a breathe of fresh air you would advocate for completely new ideas that work as a spiritual succesor of spiderman, not just another spiderman, you just want the same but with superficial changes

>>149478613
Perfectly put.

The /pol/ tards pretending to be Spider-man fans are going to go full retard after reading this.

Miles and Pete work perfectly well together

>>149478535 (OP)
Who cares? No one even likes Miles.

>>149492298
After that post there is literally a whole discussion that you chose to ignore, so you just descided to come and say nothing at all, Milesfags really just ignore any shape of criticism

>>149486638
Hey he was in the New Warriors for like a month.
T-that counts, right?