Preview for new film https://x.com/WBHomeEnt/status/1948541298543059134

What do you think? The animation is so stiff and lifeless imo.

>>149543037 (OP)
The MesoAmerican setting is interesting but it should have been pre-colonization imo

>>149543037 (OP)
Doesn’t fighting for human sacrifices against everything Batman stands for?

>>149543037 (OP)
Will he sacrifice Robin to the gods?

Two asshole empires that fucked over a lot of people in their own way. I really hope they don't whitewash the fuck out of the Aztecs being assholes just because they lost against the conquistadors and their native allies.

>>149543437
>really hope they don't whitewash the fuck out of the Aztecs being assholes
you know damn well that they will

>>149543373
>Those conquistadors have gone too far!
>They've rallied all the opposing tribes and nations against our noble and brutal empire and now they need a dark protector to take down these savage invaders who dare to threaten our way of life
Also this animation looks like ass lmao
Where did the budget go for this shit? I've seen PNGtubers with better animation than this.

>>149543373
I mean, Batman wouldn’t defend Indians being overworked in mines only to get paid the bare minimum to avoid starvation (if that) for centuries either (It's okay to suffer your entire life to make someone else richer tho, the Pope says you will be rewarded in heaven).
>>149543279
I agree.

>>149543037 (OP)
why do you guys worship mexicans so goddamn much?

I know people that worked on this. animation in latin america is a legit shitshow. its impossible to critize anything since it will "pull the industry down" when in reality is just a bunch of no talent clean up artists begging for CN and nickelodeon to come by to pixelatl festival and take "talent" to work for pennies remotely.

>>149543037 (OP)
Every fucking animated dc movie is just assassin's creed but batman.

>>149543524
Shut up fagtard

Why is the animation so bad

>>149543037 (OP)
>Aztec
Okay you have my attention
>Batman
and lost it

>>149543891
Tranny

>>149543524
(((America))) worships all minorities. It is a cringe gay place.

>>149543037 (OP)
DC animation has been awful for awhile.

First they had their budget cut after The Dark Knight Returns didn’t make enough money.

Then they had their budgets cut even more after Apokolips War.


It has gotten to the point that DC movies might as well be slide shows.

>>149543037 (OP)
very first reply puts it better than i ever could

>>149543909
You can just post here, no need to announce your entrance.

Why really had to pick a Bat for his animal too? It should be like a puma. They could call him Puma Man.

>>149543037 (OP)
>Those lips.
I like the armor design but why did they made him a nigger

>>149544297
First they would have to get people to read comics before they could make content for such people

>>149544340
Because its not "Yes father, I shall become a puma", its "Yes father, I shall become a bat"

>>149543037 (OP)
Same Studio making the upcoming indie Villainous show

>>149544387
Ironically the trailer for that show has better animation than this Batman movie, you can really tell which one is their passion project as they fully own Villanos now that Cartoon Network dropped the IP and "tax wrote off'd" the unreleased season 2

>>149543437
Part of what makes me love the Aztecs is how brutal and evil they were.
They made an entire empire run on tributes and warfare scarily efficient.

>>149543437
>>149543478
Joker from this movie is an Aztec himself tho

>>149543566
Old LatAm comics were good tho, I liked Palomita and Pepe Antartico
but aside from 31 Minutos which is a puppet show I don't care for the rest

>>149543037 (OP)
Is this something made before 2024 they're shoving out?

>>149543037 (OP)
Looks like an interesting concept but just from the trailer
>White boi conquistadors already comically evil
>Aztecs, one of the most blood thirsty bastards in history depicted as din du nuffin wrong bois (there's a mexican schizo theory that cartel leaders are all descendants of aztecs)
>Bruce starts training as a late teen and somehow makes it in time to fight the spanish in time before the conquest
>Poison ivy as some sort of aztec deity
>The joker fucking face
The only thing it might be interesting if they use it is that the bat deity they hint at could be xololt, essentially the aztec god of death and does have dark skin, other than that this shit sucks

T.beaner.

>>149544499
It was announced in 2022 by WB as part of an initiative to create projects made specifically for Latin American territories by Latin America studies. The American release is kind of just a thing that's happening because why not just release it outside of LA but it isn't being produced with American audiences in mind like, say, Batman Ninja or that new Scooby Doo show were.

>>149544387
>>149544427
She cute

>>149544553
>that new Scooby Doo show were.
Which one?

>>149544427
Queen of spade necklace huh?

>>149544447
That doesn't really mean anything, it just means that he's a psychotic asshole like the rest of them. Whole castes of Aztecs were dedicated to being crazy, sadistic, and murderous, Aztec Joker wouldn't be the outlier, he'd be the norm.

>>149544524
Xolotl is a dog, or salamander (axolotl).
Camazots is from another culture

>>149544715
>Camazots
Forgot about it, that's probably the one they are going for but since it's from a different culture i think xolotl would fit better, then again since this doesn't seem to have an intention to be even remotely accurate then i guess camazots fits perfectly.

>>149543037 (OP)
I wanted to see a blend of Tenochtitlan and Gotham. I wanted a Gothic Aztec aesthetic not generic jungle slop. The Spanish should not have been Batman's trigger, he could've still fought them once he was more established but his backstory should have largely remained the same. His motivation should be to stop all criminals, not kill whitey.

Making Cortez two-face is pretty interesting though, I'd like to see where they go with that. And I am excited for Aztec joker.

>>149543037 (OP)
Is this going to have a Latino-Only Spanish dub in Spain, like Coco and Victor & Valentino?

It really is comical how thoroughly Hollywood hates anything associated with the Catholic Church.

In theory reimagining a hero and his villains in different time periods sounds fun but this execution is kinda lacking

>>149544553
Indeed, here in Mexico the film is getting a full theatrical release

Just read Codex Black, it’s better.

the art style and animation are awful

>>149545149
Maybe? I hope they get spanish actors for the spaniards

>>149543037 (OP)
Venture Bros. did it first

Interesting, the dad of Aztec Batman is voiced by Jorge R. Gutiérrez

>>149543437
Just saw the trailer, the whitewash is already in,t hey made these niggas straight ALABASTOR!
>>149543482
No lie man, fucking YEESH! This shit might have been impressive if it were like two or three guys doing it as a fan project, but anything professional doesn't have the right to look this amateur

>>149543279
then how would they make it into "white man bad"
>b-but the spaniards aren't w-
disingenuous faggot

>>149543037 (OP)
It looks neat, and unlike cringe chicano stuff I tend to like mexican stuff made in mexico. But yeah, the animation is wierdly stiff.

>>149543524
This is being made by a mexican animation studio, it was their idea, they just bought the rights to make it from DC.

>>149545178
But Mexicans are the ones making the movie.

>>149544683
The one about Scooby and Shaggy going to Japan to team up with some Japanese teens to hunt Yokai with Scooby's Japanese uncle.

>>149544297
Who the fuck reads comic books other than losers?

>>149543373
It's Aztec Batman. He supports human sacrifice.

>>149546497

Literally came here to post this, thanks for doing it for me. Very Batman move.

>>149543566
>animation in latin america is a legit shitshow
Is it? Villanous and Frankelda seem pretty good.

>>149546217
Which is silly because it looks like shit.

>>149544340
They have bats in Mexico, too.

>>149546822
Who founded and approved the script for the movie?

>>149546893
I am Vengeance
I am the Night
>Henry Alan Venture, this had better not be your batarang protruding from my King Crimson 1983 tour poster!
Uh Oh

>>149546942
It was all done by Mexicans in Mexico.

>>149546993
I repeat where did the money for the project came from?
Who approved it as the IP holders and decided to fund it?

Don't get me wrong I love that Mexicans are getting paid to animate but the joke about Hollywood stands.

>>149543037 (OP)
So Two-Face is Cortez? So he is bound to win and make that Catwoman have his mutts.

>>149543037 (OP)
pass

>>149543037 (OP)
>Aztec
Batman's a bad guy in this?

Why do chuds keep seething about the Aztecs, anyway? You can't even talk about them without some LARPer running over to tell you all about how the Aztecs sacrificed six gorillion people per second, as if that makes them different from every empire that ever existed.

Is this based on a comic?

>>149547207
The problem is that the Aztecs make sacrifice their main form of industry, export, import and cultural exchange.

They were very industrialist about their sacrifices.

>>149546217
>omar chaparro
yikes
>all those producer credits being just jewish names
giga yikes.

>>149547207
The spanish were pretty evil, but you gotta be pretty evil for literally every group you conquer to team up with the aliens against you.

>>149544340
Name is already taken. Look up MST3K version of the movie.

>>149547442
Omar Chaparro is incredible as voice actor tho

>>149547207
Why do you keep defending them in the first place? Only the ottomans might've been more evil

>>149547207
White guilt fatigue, or some shit.

>>149543279
Making Batman Aztec is such a misstep it's insane, it can virtually only end with the Aztec Empire being whitewashed because the Spanish need to be shown to be as bad as possible.
The actually smart thing to do if they were gonna insist on framing it around the clash of the Spanish and Aztecs would have been to make Batman come from one of the tributary tribes/provinces that the Aztecs kept under their boots and raided for human sacrifices. Make him hostile to both Empires.

>>149543891
I agree what the fuck is batman supposed to do, get sick and die?

>>149547207
Sorry, but I'm simply not going to pretend that there's no difference between 'human sacrifice' that takes the form of like, working slave to death in a mine and Human Sacrifice that takes the form of dragging thousands of people onto altars and butchering them until the streets run with their blood.
There is such a thing as degrees of wrongdoing. The Spanish empire was evil, but the Aztec empire was Evil with a capital E, their regime was one of utter, pointless cruelty. Actual comic book level villainy.

>unironically defending the Aztecs because retarded wataboutism

Jesus fucking Christ.

>>149547483
The Spanish Empire was one of the most righteous and grand empires in history, second only to the Roman Empire.

>>149543037 (OP)
This looks like... FLAMING SHIT. SuperFriends looks better than this. LMAO. Wow.

>>149547207
Because the Aztecs were literally the embodiment of every "evil tribal savages" stereotype, they fucking reveled in it.

Mesoamerican history/archeology nerd here, I think it looks mostly really well researched (tho i'm mainly going off of prior material, I haven't looked closely through this trailer specifically much yet)

They did an excellent job with the architecture of Tenochtitlan, and while I think Poison Ivy and Catwoman's designs are kind of nonsense and I wish Moctezuma II's attire was more accurate; Yohualli/Bruce's design, Acatzin/Alfred, and Selene(?)'s domestic dress are very grounded to outright just 100% accurate, Yokka/Joker's design before becoming super Joker-y is also fairly on point for priests, and he gets more and more Tezcatlipoca attributes as he becomes jokerified, which makes sense given Tezcatlipoca as a god is all about causing disorder and fate's fickle nature

Unironically, this will probably be the best or second best researched piece of media I know of that focuses on Mesoamerica directly made by a major commercial studio (so excluding indies/publisher picked up indies) alongside Onyx Equinox. That perhaps speaks more to how most projects butcher the setting then anything else, but they still did a good job here (at least for Mesoamerican stuff, IDK about Spanish aesthetics): Compare to pic related

>>149543279
I might normally agree, but as I understand it. this takes place in a timeline where Cortes fails (and becomes two-face): If handles well, I actually think this is a better setting then it being pre-contact, in that it might permit a situation where Tenochtitlan has both essentially prehispanic life but also has a seedy underbelly of Spanish officials trying to worm their way in as an equalvent of Gotham's underworld

My concern tho is that this trailer and the one seen in Mexican Superman showings seems less like and Batman chasing Spanish officials or corrupt Aztec judges down canals at night, and more as open warfare and defense against a second attempt at a Spanish invasion, which is less interesting/suited to Batman, IMO

1/?

>>149547483
Black legend retardation
The spanish were an improvement in every way

>>149548966
Being an improvement over a comically evil death cult does not make you good

>>149547207
>CHILD Sacrifices
I may be an insensitive cunt. But what's with this current trend of Bashing in pearl cluching anger anything that has a bad moment happening to a child.
Back in the olden flash days Dead kids were a go to shock humour. Now everyone feels weirdly protective of them.

>>149548966
>defeat a murderous cunts
>other murderous cunts enslave you
>also they put a retarded Racial system
>the only thing that changes is the style of the buildings
>some rapebabies in the capital want to be top dogs and begin the independence
>even afther that you still live like a serf during the Azteks
>SeriesOfRebelionsAndCoups.lacacucaracha
South Americans can't catch a break huh..

>>149548981
I think it's just a pedulam swing from saying
> This group of poor brown people didn't do anything wrong!
So now everyone has to mention the most edgy thing they can think of for an entire society to do, which is child sacrifice. I'm not even sure if Children were the main source of sacrifices for the Aztecs. I'm not sure Masoamerica anon would correct me on that.
If anything, the Child sacrifice thing probably comes from what people thought was Roman propaganda against the Carthaginians sacrificing children to Baal Hammon, but it turned out they did indeed burn lots of children alive and then applying that logic to every society that has human sacrifice

>>149543037 (OP)
Can we get a Aryan batman someday?

>>149547863
Yeah, one is lawfull evill, steming from a nessesity for the achivment of profits at minimal expense, and the other is just pure evill for the sake of apleasing the Sun, now that i think about it, is this why we are getting global warming? Is Sun mad at us for not sacroficeing enough?

>>149546734
Who are you quoting?

>>149549064
I think the moment of the swing was the Cuties movie. A forgetable movie carried by controversy. Maybe that's me but people then started accusing everyone of "Grooming" and beeing Pedos (real and what not)
But now it reached the point of "Protect teh kids" the 70's and Soccer mum years were filled of. Kids are these Angels that need to be protected from the internet and some other BS. Who cares it's largely the fault of dumb parents who can't keep an eye on their kid...

>>149544553
That explains why the audio sync is so ass.

>>149543524
Stinky ESLs make up a small chunk of the board. They're a loud minority that enjoys making its presence known. But literally no one cares about hispanic characters in comics, unless if theyre hot race mixing latinas

>>149547220
No, there's never been an Aztec Batman comic before. Not unless there's some Silver Age time travel story that I missed. This page from Infinite Crisis is the closest thing that comes to mind.

>>149546217
Man im not a fan, the star talents is oke thing, but also the animation is kinda garbage

>>149543037 (OP)
God Mazinger?

>>149548951
Cont:

>>149543437
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>>149547779
The Mexica of the Aztec capital of Tenochtitlan were absolutely hardcore expansionistic conquerors, but the idea that they were widely hated oppressive tyrants who terrorized the "tribes" they ruled over and that led to Cortes getting allies against them is mostly nonsense

For starters, there are basically no "tribes" involved. Mesoamerica had cities, writing etc going back thousands of years, see pic. The only "tribes" were groups at the fringes of the region and dweren't encountered by the Cortes expedition. Ironically though the Mexica and other Nahua/"Aztec" groups have their origins in nomadic chichimeca tribes from the northwest which migirated into Central Mexico and adopted local civilization and their practices... including sacrifices, which is my next point: Everybody in Mesoamerica did sacrifices, not just the Mexica who as I just said if anything got it from other more established groups.

Next, is simply that the Mexica didn't directly govern the places they conquered: Mesoamerica's lack of draft animals and difficult terrain made hands on adminstration difficult and most kingdoms and empires tended to be hands-off. The Aztec Empire wasn't an exception here and when it conquered a state it generally left local kings in power with existing customs, laws, etc: They usually just had to pay taxes of economic goods (sacrifices/slaves were not generally a tax demand: those were collected DURING conquests, not usually from existing subjects) and follow some other basic obligations. But that setup also left subject states with their own political identity, interests/ambitions, and agency to make descisions, so it enabled opportunistic secession, side-switching, backstabbing etc as a political strategy.

That's basically the main reason most of the states that allied with Cortes (and to be clear, only like a dozen did so, out of many hundreds)

2/?

>>149544439
>Part of what makes me love the Aztecs is how brutal and evil they were.
>They made an entire empire run on tributes and warfare scarily efficient.
that's just normal city-state shit you dumb ass. What's next, you gonna act like the Athenians were "le scary and ebil monsters1!1!" because of the Delian league? Get the fuck out of here.

>>149549126
I know the pedo scare was around a lot longer than Cuties, I know it was a major issue in my area for a while. People mostly started backing off after several incident where children died in easily preventable situations(like drowning in a pool) because everyone who could have helped were so terrified of being accused of pedophiles that they didn't (not helped by one woman who did in fact drag someone to court for pedophilia after saving her child. The case was thrown out right away, but the guy in question already lost his job and his friends/family basically ditched him so the damage was already done).
But I do agree Cuties is probably when it started really getting more and more attention and hitting the mainstream.

>>149547891
Bruh, it was corrupt as hell. Get outta here.

>>149549710
>>149543437
>>149543482
>>149544439
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>>149547779
Whoops, forgot a "did so" at the end of my post there

Anyways, cont:

Most of the states that did ally with Cortes only did so after Tenochtitlan was already struck by smallpox and Moctezuma II died, leaving it vulnerable and making it so states had more to gain and less to lose by switching sides and taking it out to hopefully retain political status in the new regime they'd help put in place by doing so. This was a very common tactic across Mesoamerican history and it's how the Aztec Empire itself got started a century prior.

The origin of this misconception is that Tlaxcala (pic), one of the first major players to ally with Cortes, DID resent the Mexica, but Tlaxcala was an enemy state the Mexica were at war with, so it's a mistake to project it's motives and relationship to say Huextozinco, Texcoco, Chalco, Xochimilco etc who had their own more different political reasons for eventually allying with Cortes:

Huextozinco in general often flip-flopped between being a Mexica or a Tlaxcalteca ally as it was a city in the pass connecting their two valleys and got fought over. Texcoco was a secondary capital in the Aztec empire and it initially stayed loyal to the Mexica, but a specific prince, Ixtlilxochitl II, who previously lost a succession dispute to a competing Mexica backed heir, defected to the Conquistador and Tlaxcalteca side after they re-entered the valley to start the siege (but even this was after Tenochtitlan was already weakened). Chalco was one of the longest unconquered holdouts in the core of the empire that had only relatively recently been subjugated, so it flipped as the Conquistadors/Tlaxcalteca/Ixtlilxochitl's faction's finally pushed their way into that portion of the valley during the siege. Xochimilco was also in that area, and fought with the Mexica against them, and only switched sides when it was beaten by the invaders/defectors and forced to, etc.

3/?

>>149549936
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>>149547779
Cont:

For more info on all that, see: pastebin.com/h18M28BR + arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/640670498/#640679139 + desuarchive.org/his/thread/16781148/#16781964 , though I should really do a single big updated dump on this at ome point.

>>149544700
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>>149548970
This is also really silly. The Mexica (and again, other groups) did do sacrifices, ritual cannibalism, and as I mention my prior posts were conquerers (but see also my caveats there re: them ruling in a hands off way), but their society wasn't a nightmare dystopia

Most people went about their day eating meals with family, working in farms or workshops, visiting markets, and playing/betting on games, (see: desuarchive.org/his/thread/7617096/#7619771). You had merchants, artists, diplomats, doctors etc. There was a formal judicial system with courts and judges. There were aqueducts, bathes, and toilets. Nobles valued poetry, public speaking and botanical sciences etc. Sacrifice and cannibalism was one (though an important) part of one aspect of their religion which was also just one aspect of their society. On a day to day basis it was not something most people interacted with or thought about, even for priests it would have largely been a monthly (though they didn't have the same number/length of months as we do) concern more then a daily one

Actual Spanish Conquistadors and Catholic friars themselves understood this and (at least the ones who actually encountered and interacted with Mesoamerican society) praised their cities (see pic), art, architecture, ethics and virtues, systems of law and order, and even made select comparisons between their religion and Christianity, refer to some of the quotes I posted here: >>>/v/716322542 >>>/v/716324741 >>>/v/716325865 >>>/v/716326547 >>>/v/716327371 >>>/v/716328771 >>>/v/716329637 >>>/v/716330829

So, ironically most today have a worse opinion of the Mesoamericans then Cortes did

4/?

>>149549976
>>149544700
>>149547359
>>149548970
Cont:

The stuff you anons are posting or what stuff like Apocalypto does to the Maya is basically the equivalent taking Bloodborne at face value for what life was like Medieval Europe, with people living in dilapidated cramped shacks on grimy cobblestone roads with feral dogs eating bodies in streets and church officials dragging people away to be burned at the stake nonstop

>>149547863
This distinction never really made much sense to me, at least with Mesoamerican sacrifice there's the ostensible justification that their religion legitimately required sacrifice to ensure the proper functioning of the cosmos (even if obviously in practice, sacrifice and other aspects of Mesoamerican religion were twisted and leveraged by those in power to suit their own interests at times), wheras there's nothing within Christianity that requires smiting pagans or exploiting people for money

To be clear I'm not necessarily saying that makes the Mexica "less bad": personally I think it's fucking stupid for anybody to act like either 500 year old militaristic society had a moral high ground, but I don't the reasoning behind sacrifices being more bad then other forms or religious murder or killing for profit (which of course the Mexica also did: they made warfare the backbone of their political influence and economics in order to get people to cough up goods)

>>149547883
>>149547655
I haven't seen a single person in the thread "defend" the Aztec other then me, and I'm not even really defending them so much as trying to post accurate historical information

Also, all the groups that allied with Cortes were also "Aztecs", in that they were Nahuas, like the Mexica of Tenochtitlan, and they like all other civilizations in Mesoamerica did sacrifices, cannibalism, etc. So if you're going to present the Mexica as tyrants and Cortes's allies as "the good guys", then by definition you're defending/supporting "Aztecs" who did sacrifices

5/?

>>149550019
>This distinction never really made much sense to me, at least with Mesoamerican sacrifice there's the ostensible justification that their religion legitimately required sacrifice to ensure the proper functioning of the cosmos (even if obviously in practice, sacrifice and other aspects of Mesoamerican religion were twisted and leveraged by those in power to suit their own interests at times), wheras there's nothing within Christianity that requires smiting pagans or exploiting people for money
This may be le reddit atheist in me speaking, but I think religiously motivated cruelty is the most evil of all acts.
Because you're doing it for literally no reason, the sacrifices will not please Huitzilopochtli because Huitzilopochtli is not there. He's not real. You farming suffering and death for literally no one's benefit.
If you're motivated by greed, even pure, completely selfish greed, like you don't even have a family who is benefiting off your wealth as well, at least you're still materially improving the life of at least one single human being who actually exists. Yourself. Far better than reaping a crop of tears and blood for a being that literally is not there.

>>149543373
I mean Gotham is a literal hellhole and above one too and he defends it just fine.

>>149550019
Cont:

>>149548646
It's more that evil tribal savages tropes originate from flanderzed stereotypes of Mesoamerican stuff: 17 century Europeans who weren't familiar with the Indigenous Americas often blended Spanish descriptions of Mesoamerica (the Cortes expedition/the Aztec and their cities, sacrifices) with stuff from Indigenous tribes from Brazil (with them being mostly naked and with big headdresses) as a result of the specific way certain accounts got published and what art, clothing, and people were shipped over and put on display in Europe and that blended together to become a genericized image of "The Americas" in the minds of Europeans

For example, see this commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Philippe_Sylvestre_Dufour_Chocolat_17th_century.jpg which shows a generic depiction of a Near Eastern, Asian, and an Indigenous American with Coffee, Tea, and Chocolate drinks; or pic related, shows Moctezuma II with Brazilian dress but also Tenochtitlan with with more European Style architecture.

This kind of depiction then combined with specific nationalistic imagery produced by Mexican artists like Jesus Helguera (whose art is also not super accurate, often taking big liberties, but is certainly not as bad) from the early 20th century to produce a lot of Mesoamerican visual stereotypes we know today, with Apocalypto also being a major trendsetter.

You can see the presence of all 3 of those major visual trope codifiers in the left side of >>149548951: Apocalypto itself is there, and you can also havily see it's influence in the Shadow of the Tomb Raider design. By contrast, the Concheros/Danza Azteca outfits take influence from Helguera's work with some of the 17th century tropes mixed in (which itself also influenced Apocalypto to a degree), and obviously the 17th century artwork at the top left can also be compared to the 17th century art I linked before with more "tribal" naked Aztec warriors but with Tenochtitlan given more European buildings.

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>>149550172
>>149548646
cont:

The outlier there is the Hernan screenshots, which actually do mostly use real Mesoamerican aesthetics as a base, and just make it really, really dirty, colorless, and unrefined looking.

Also actually I vaguely recall now that I think the background in the pic I posted just now in >>149550172 meant to be 19th century Mexico city rather then Tenochtitlan, but Tenochtitlan with European style buildings is still something you see European artists in the 17th-19th centuries do (see https://www.alamy.com/great-temple-or-templo-mayor-tenochtitlan-mexico-city-1754-old-antique-print-image242613641.html) for lack of having a better reference point. (Speaking of references, here are a bunch of actual dress of Mexica kings, to compare to the pic in >>149550172 or my comments in >>149548951 regarding how Aztec Batman is handling Moctezuma II, though thinking about it I don't think today's trailer showed him, but see https://i.imgur.com/9Z6VBlR.png)

Ironically of course actual manuscripts made in Mexico in the 16th and 17th centuries often do a fairly decent job showing Mesoamerican architecture and clothing since the people there had the opportunity to see it or had more direct secondhand records.

>>149549102
whoops forgot to reply to this in >>149550019

>>149546312
People should consume both, both are well done from an authenticity perspective. Codex Black certainly has better production values though, which is ironic considering it's an indie project mostly just one guy and IDW is just publishing it/funding the physical volumes and the colorist for it

>>149550092
I think your point is that sacrifice is more senseless, wheras doing it for profit (per my point) is more malicious.

7/7 for now, happy to answer further questions

>>149543037 (OP)
I swear if The Answer Studio is behind this it will indicate that Tower of God's third season (Which The Answer Studio only did because Anne Shirley went over budget) bombed much worse then originally expected (Aniplex only said it floundered compared to season 2) then it will mean that The Answer Studio will always be treated as a joke as CoMix Wave Films who The Answer Studio use to work for stopped the Ghibli knock offs and became a puppet for The Pokémon Company, meaning these DC cheapqules will be their only forum of work.

Tower of God should've been The Answer Studio's answer of ufotable's Demon Slayer, The Answer Studio pick up on Tower of God's second season (because TMS who did season 1 wanted more money to avoid dealing with China, longer schedules and 4 years to pump out 52 episodes or 13 episodes a year and as a result Aniplex fired them) because they wanted to be treated as a serous anime studio instead of a subcontractor and they got Anne Shirley because of the work on Tower of God's second season but with all of this drama if Answer Studio returns to these cheapqules it will be over for the studio because Shimajiro features do not make Anpanman (aka the only thing keeping TMS in business) money.

TL;DR: STUDIO MIR AND SNIPPLE ARE RIGHT THERE!!!! Leave Japan to the Japanese.

>>149544340
Pyoomaman

>>149547655
They were just gay.

>>149550172
Brazil mentioned!!

>anything Mesoamerican
>It's always centered around Spain no matter what
Every single time without fail.

>>149549011
Spain's contribution in conquering the Americas were a more net positive than negative if all laid out in a list. For example, we wouldn't have the Vallodolid debates which opened the way philosophical debate of Christian universalism and the conflict on how far must you do your duty as a Christian to civilize people away from their savage culture.

>>149550445
Unless it involves Brazil, but in this case,it is a coinflip

>>149550445
Watch Onyx Equinox, read Codex Black, play Tlatoani: Aztec Cities.

I can suggest other stuff as well if you want.

>>149550569
It wasn't because the smallpox epidemic killed millions of people.

>>149550651
People like to point out that racism wasn't a thing before the Enlightenment era but fail to realize that civilizations didn't even recognize others as human beings. It took Catholics to fully implement that officially.

>>149550663
Not Catholics as a whole, only Spain. Portugal still enslaved the indians of Brazil.

>>149543037 (OP)
so is he like a billionaire aztec? this shit is stupider than the japanese batman

>>149550092
It doesn't matter if the sky daddy is real or not, doing horrible things in the name of religion maintains the social order, which keeps things running nice and smooth which in the long run contributes to stability and probably saves and improves lives. Hard to say.

>>149550719
The Sublimis Deus was a papal bull, so its decree technically did not just include Spain. People ignored it sure but it was now not in question that Indians are not inhuman.

>>149550978
To clarify, it didn't just include Indians, it included every single indigenous group that has been discovered and ever will be discovered by the human race.

I'm confused, because every modern society was built on mass death and the subjugation of others.

>>149550978
It wasn’t just ignored. Portugal passed laws that opposed it and pushed for its suppression. It didn’t improve the situation of Indigenous people in Portuguese territories, not even a little.

pleas let it be real it's gonna be so fucking funny
i already seen a bunch of spaniard cocskuckers seething

>>149547603
he was great as po

>>149551458
Portugal played it very loose. They banned Japanese and Chinese slave trading but for the Moors, it was still very much in the table for them. It was already evident that nations were getting more cognizant that slavery is very much an abomination against humanity and the factors preventing its abolition was purely economical rather than anything moral.

>>149543037 (OP)
Why is the animation so BAD? Looks like a Venture Bros parody

Characters look like they are lip syncing and having seizures

The trailer I saw was badly dubbed in English

>>149551689

>>149551649
This is to say it wasn't really enforced either so Portugal were still getting Japanese slaves for sexual purposes despite many of the missionaries and the Church condemning them. The main problem was also Japan had their own kind of slavery system which the Portuguese obliged in so it was really only up to the Church to not only to take charge against Portugal but Japan as well.

>>149543037 (OP)
I think I've seen a better one, and he was a still fucking .jpeg

>>149551765
Aztec Batman's Mesoamerican stuff is league's more researched then anything in Fate

Aside from ironically the generic Ocelomeh enemies, which are well done, see pic

>>149551748
Maybe that’s why. The one the official Twitter posted by dc was dubbed lmao

Is the actual film in Spanish? Would be cool if they used Nahua instead

>>149551787
Yeah, I think Nasu himself said LB7 was drastically rewritten because he got really into Mesoamerican myth. Really liked how they did Tezcatlipoca (who was supposed to have a smaller role, initially), I could see him as a regular Justice League enemy.

>>149551826
Sorry anon but Tezcatlipoca is the single worst Mesoamerican thing in fate, his main "level 3" outfit or whatever is worse then most of the stuff on the left side of >>149548951

Maybe he's got fun writing, but at least as a Mesoamerican history nerd who has only looked through the designs, I think he's terrible. Which is a shame since, again, the Ocelomeh are good: Their tezcatlipoca design should have just been to use one of them as a base, task the mask off, give him his black and yellow facepaint, give him a mirror on his chest, and replace one of his legs with bones or smoke.

>>149551877
>Maybe he's got fun writin
Oh don't get me wrong, his art is a travesty and I am strictly defending his writing. The sprite is legitimately the best thing he has going for himself, aesthetically.

>>149544475
>Palomita
Didn't expect this nice surprise here.

>>149543373
It's the Aztecs versus the Catholics. Taking one side over the other doesn't necessarily reflect an opinion on human sacrifice

>Dindu-nons having to co-opt a white European fictional character to become a symbolic defender of their hyper violent ancient civilization

>>149553012
Did you also think Batman ninja is dumb?

>The English voice cast features Jay Hernandez (Hostel, Suicide Squad) and Raymond Cruz (Breaking Bad, Sons of Anarchy), while the Spanish version — Batman Azteca: Choque De Imperios — features the voices of Horacio García Rojas, Omar Chaparro, and Álvaro Morte.

>Juan Meza-Léon directs from a screenplay by Ernie Altbacker. José C. García de Letona, Fernando De Fuentes S., Carina Schulze, Aaron D. Berger, Jim Krieg, and Kimberly S. Moreau are producers. Sam Register, Tomás Yankelevich, and Michael Uslan serve as executive producers.

>The movie runs 89 minutes and is rated R for some violence and bloody images.

>The physical and digital releases of Aztec Batman: Clash of Empires will include the following special features:

>The Battle Cry of Aztec Batman – Go behind the scenes and inside the voiceover booth with Jay Hernandez as he fulfils a childhood dream and reveals the creative process of becoming Batman.

>The Batman Mythology and Aztec Inspiration – Screenwriter Ernie Altbacker and Jay Hernandez reveal the film’s approach to melding the historically accurate world of the Aztecs with the iconic cast of Batman conic book characters.

I'm really curious about that featurette about the mythology

Is funny to see in this version of history, the Aztecs managed to hold off the Spaniards for years

>NOOOOOOO NOT MY HECKIN CONQUISTADORS
god you fags do this every time

>Aztecs dismember people in public because it'll make the rain gods happy
No problema
>Aztecs rape and kill little girls for fun
Es mi cultura
>Aztecs are so needlessly violent that they inspire every barbaric cartel execution to this day
Esta muy bien

>Aztecs get wiped out and punished by Catholics from Spain with a fraction of their numbers because they have guns and horses
AY YI YI ES GRANDE MASSACRE LA RAZA ESTA NO BUENO EN HITLER LEGITAMENTE

>>149553092
It's not the same and you know it.

>ITT: Christcucks who don't understand that the wheels of Tonatiuh need to be greased with the blood of warriors

>>149549976
>>149550019
>>149550172
>>149550245
tldr stupid shill

>>149553887
>warriors
they killed and tortured children to harvest their tears

>>149553092
Nta, but yes, I do think it's pretty damn stupid.

>>149553544
It really do be like that don't it?

Fellow /co/omers, I'm writing an original fantasy story based off of Mesoamerican life and mythology. They no longer sacrifice people and there will be no "conquistadors" archetype. What else should I include in this world?

>>149554312
>They no longer sacrifice people
Then what's the point?

>>149547863
They weren't dragging people off the streets. Most Aztec human sacrifice was them executing POWs, which Europeans did all the time.

>>149544439
>brutal militaristic facism is based when the brown people do it
Americans everyone.

>>149554486
I think it's based no matter who does it.

>activists want to make batman black
>what if batman in old south america?
>sure, go ahead and make your own new character
>no i need the brand name for attention

>>149554402
>Most Aztec human sacrifice was them executing POWs
Okay, the counterpoint to that is they literally went to war to get human sacrifices. So that's a distinction without a difference.

>this is an actual Screenshot from the show

Holy fuck Hollywood goyslop is reaching levels we didn’t think were possible.

>>149554312
>They no longer sacrifice people
>and there will be no "conquistadors" archetype.

Does your worldbuilding include an alternate historical cause for that change? Like a Black Plague type of event that made mass sacrifices unfeasible? State religions generally only change because a prior position became politically untenable due to some crisis/discovery, or because of outside influence from another culture.

>>149543037 (OP)
>Hollywood new strategy to kill any foreign alternative in the egg is inculturation and infiltration.

Absolutely devilish.
You will be fed Mutt slop full of Muttistani values but with a "made in HVME" seal on top.

>>149555226

It's not exactly a new strategy; Netflix's American-produced, Japanese studio-animated goyslop "anime" has been around for a bit and serves the same purpose. Nips seem to be mostly indifferent to those shows, so I wonder if general LatAm audiences will even give a shit about this movie or if the actual audience is just going to be self-hating whiteys and Chicano types living in Western countries.

>>149544387
>>149544427
Nice freckles

>>149555440
Most probably nobody will care in latam except American capeshit fans...UNLESS It is heavily marketed, with posters over every bus and wall and sponsored in all child entertainment.

>>149550366
The Brazilian Adult Swim feed is the worst because they're legally forced to spam at least 4 hours of Brazilian produced content per day (this is why Tooncast which only has a single feed for all of Latam spams Brazilian slop despite the channel being promoted as a classic cartoons channel), I'm glad that the South American Adult Swim feed got rid of the Brazilian cartoons and now they air Robot Chicken in the time slot they previously used it for Brazil's crap, they don't have any Brazilian show in the South American feed anymore PERIOD, if anything they spam anime instead now

>>149544475
>>149552260

>>149543037 (OP)
Are they going to properly portray the Aztecs as a brutal colonial empire that enslaved the neighboring tribes and sacrificed their citizens by the thousands before mounting their skulls by the tens of thousands in public squares?

>>149543037 (OP)
I don't know why, but something tells me that writing will be a disastrous crash.

>>149555440
>Netflix goyslop "anime"
Such as ?

>>149556185
NTA, but Castlevania (written by Americans who never played the games and hated some of the designs to the point they excluded a character because "he looked like a pirate"), Yasuke and Cannon Busters (both created and directed by a black guy called LeSean Thomas, Cannon Busters is just a straight ripoff of Outlaw Star right down to the villains wanting a robot/android girl Macguffing, a lair that looks exactly like the Galactic Leyline and having a sci-fi western setting, the best part is that it was cancelled on a cliffhanger, this fucker actually thought he was getting more seasons) and the Toblerone ""anime"" also created and directed by a black guy

>>149550245
>149550602
>149551749
>149551787
>149551877
cont:

>>149554857
>>149554402
Wars to specifically get captives did happen in Mesoamerica, but it wasn't a typical thing, and for the Mexica of the Aztec capital specifically, their main motive in expansionism was to get places to pay them taxes of economic goods

An idea that gets thrown around from time to time is that the Mexica leadership may have re-written their religion to play up the amount of sacrifices they needed to then justify military expansion, but to be honest any time I have looked into that I haven't found it convincing, most of the citations end up going nowhere or just lead to a specific speech Tlacaelel (who served in a sort of second-in-command domestic administrator/high priest/judicial and advisor office across the reign of like 5 subsequent Mexica kings/Aztec emperors. see pic) where he talks about using Tlaxcala as a target of Flower Wars to take captives to feed their patron god Huitzilopochtli , but that doesn't really say anything about a broader religious dogma behind expansionism in other cases

And even flower wars are now often thought to be less wars just to take captives, and more as a ritualized but still pragmatic military tool to weaken and wear down enemy states for full conquest while also serving as a way to keep troops trained and invested in their military careers, or to test/feel out a conflict with lower stakes battles before deciding to back off or escalating it into a true war

>>149555727
See >>149549710 , >>149549936 and >>149555727
The Mexica of the Aztec capital were warmongering conquerors, but their rule was loose and hegemonic, not brutal/oppressive or colonialist; they conquered city-states and kingdoms, not tribes; most (tho certainly not all) sacrifices were enemy soldiers rather then civilians, and even the largest skull rack didn't have multiple 10,000s of skulls (or if it did, only barely, see >>>/v/716293341 & >>>/v/716294540)

technically 12/?

>>149549011
>also they put a retarded Racial system
Not even that's real; what you show in the attachment was a way of recognizing the variety of mixed races in places outside the viceroyalty.

>>149554486
>fascism
You're conflating fascism with authoritarian again.

>>149555671
Based

>>149556289
Cont:

>>149553995
Anon I've barely even talked about the movie, how am I shilling

>>149553544
>>149554296
Maybe I'm forgetting something, but people weren't dismembered for rain gods: Sacrifices to rain gods typically involved children, dwarfs, or hunchbacks being slowly tortured to death (most sacrifices were not intentionally painful or drawn out but the more they cried the more it would rain) or (IIRC?) being buried alive

You're just completely talking out of your ass with the rape thing: Rape straight up doesn't come up in records on Prehispanic history, society, or warfare almost at all. It wasn't an element of any sacrifices and it seemingly wasn't done during conquests or sacks (which the Mexica of the Aztec capital also didn't even do in conquests that much, though they did occasionally) much either. There's maybe a single instance I vaguely remember of the latter happening?

The only thing that's even vaguely not-rare that's rape-y is that that noblewomen and princesses given as political marriages to their conquerors or capitals would be presumably doing so under pressure and I'm sure that at least occasionally resulted in compelled sex, but that's not different from political marriages anywhere else in the world

>>149553447
One criticism I do have as of the latest trailer and comes up here is that they seem to be projecting Aztec social/class stuff and aesthetics to other areas that didn't have the same cultures or practices: Yohuali/Bruce's town seems to be on the Atlantic coast and it'd be unusual (tho not out of the question) for a town there to be Nahua/"culturally Aztec" (depending on where, they'd probably be Tootnac, see pic, or Maya)

And re: last part of that image, the Mexica were very classist (at least under the traditional interpretation), so erasing class divides against an outside threat is also a bit iffy, tho also based on what I just said, Bruce coming from another town might mean he'd be more open to that

13/?

>>149556470
faggot

>>149556470
*Totonac, not Tootnac

Stupid chudcels. You don’t even understand that morality is subjective. The Aztecs did nothing wrong in the culture of their time. Meanwhile the Spanish white colonisers genocided them like the monstrous invaders they were

>>149556552
Genocided so much that Latin America is full of Native descendants, while those living in Anglo America are as many as fingers on a hand and live locked in tiny reservations.

>>149551787
these guys go hard unironically
the jaguar suit is silly looking but toned down and combined with the mask it's cool as fuck
I could see these guys being in a Resident Evil game

>>149543037 (OP)
this shit is fucking retarded. of all the interesting what ifs they could make they always choose the most random and reddit tier crap

>>149547207

>>149543037 (OP)
Skibidi toilet

>>149553012
Oddly enough, Batman is hugely influenced by El Zorro, a character who happens to be a Criollo.

>>149554312
>They no longer sacrifice people
gay
>there will be no "conquistadors" archetype
respectable
>What else should I include in this world?
feathered serpents, jaguars, pyramids, peccaries, hero twins, world trees, intentionally deformed heads, pulque, the cardinal directions, quetzal feathers, cacti, the heavens, obsidian, and, most importantly,
C O R N

I'd love a Galvarino/Lautaro Batman, the mapuche didnt get conquered by the spanish so they could just make them completely evil.

>>149556645
Natives only have big populations in Central America and the Andes, where highly populated empires used to exist

>>149549737
The main difference is that Athens didn't have mass ritualistic human sacrifice of those they conquered

>>149556470
>Rape straight up doesn't come up in records on Prehispanic history, society, or warfare almost at all.
To be fair, how often is that kind of thing recorded? The only record I can think of off the top of my heads is a few first-hand accounts during the crusades.

>>149559900
ok, and?

>>149560218
That's not "just normal city-state shit" which is why a lot of people signal out the Aztecs for being particularly brutal.

>>149548966
Maybe in Mexico but they really fucked things over in South America. The Incas really didn't deserve that shit like the Aztecs.

The hate for this (aside from the animation complaints) feels really performative

>>149560301
mf, we were talking about the tributary system, not the human sacrifices. Acting like opportunistic dick-heads and squeezing resources out of each other is shit every group of city-states were doing the world over. Hell, even if we were talking about the sacrifices, then that'd still wouldn't matter because that's the shit everyone in Mesoamerica was doing since at least the founding of San Jose Magote all the way back in the Pre-classic period (pic rel, depiction of a disemboweled captive from the site). You might as well start talking about how brutal the Greeks and Romans were for enslaving people and making them into eunuchs and how exceptionally brutal that must have made them (never mind how that type of shit was extremely common in the entire mediterranean and near-eastern world). You'd have to be completely ignorant or a bona fide retard to think that that's what made the aztecs special.

>>149558960
Huh, well Criollos were the most notorious haters of Spain. Even more so than the indians because the indians firmly believed in the Church's promise of a better afterlife but the Criollos were way too educated for that, and constantly schemed to get rid of the iberian control.
Basically, pic related happened

I hope Xipe Totec and his worshippers show up.

>The central ritual act of Tlacaxipehualiztli ("flaying of men") was the gladiatorial sacrifice of war prisoners, which both began and culminated the festival. On the next day of the festival, the game of canes was performed in the manner of two bands. The first band were those who took the part of Xipe Totec and went dressed in the skins of the war prisoners who were killed the previous day, so the fresh blood was still flowing. The opposing band was composed of daring soldiers who were brave and fearless, and who took part in the combat with the others. After the conclusion of this game, those who wore the human skins went around throughout the whole town, entering houses and demanding that those in the houses give them some alms or gifts for the love of Xipe Totec. While in the houses, they sat down on sheaves of tzapote leaves and put on necklaces which were made of ears of corn and flowers. They had them put on garlands and give them pulque to drink, which was their wine.

Annually, slaves or captives were selected as sacrifices to Xipe Totec. After having the heart cut out, the body was carefully flayed to produce a nearly whole skin which was then worn by the priests for twenty days during the fertility rituals that followed the sacrifice. This act of putting on new skin was a ceremony called Neteotquiliztli ("impersonation of a god"). The skins were often adorned with bright feathers and gold jewellery when worn. During the festival, victorious warriors wearing flayed skins carried out mock skirmishes throughout Tenochtitlan, they passed through the city begging alms and blessed whoever gave them food or other offerings. When the twenty-day festival was over, the flayed skins were removed and stored in special containers with tight-fitting lids designed to stop the stench of putrefaction from escaping. These containers were then stored in a chamber beneath the temple.

>>149543037 (OP)

Is this supposed to be Azrael?

>"hmm this looks kinda-"
>see the movement
>"oh good lord"

>>149553012
This but for ninja batman and pirate batman and victorian batman(violent civilization) and caveman batman(violent pre-civilization)
How dare DC promote child labor and eating raw meat

>>149553092
Yes, because he's not white
But no, because I think whites are honorary aryans and I'm a weeb who hates comics and cartoons and am only here to argue about race

>>149551765
Fate is trash

>>149554754
Well yeah, who's going to watch this if there isn't Batman labels on everything? Without the branding the story would just be 'man dresses up as Aztec gods to kill Whitey- I mean the Conquistadors'. There's nothing to sell but racemongering. If it were Marvel the fantasy would just be a complete fabrication of the Bar Nokba revolt, where a Jewish Scientist named Starken or something Stark-jewish combo idk, lives in Jerusalem when it was in revolt. And he faces the Roman Legions that were sent to kill them for just making a state of their own, so he fights off Romans as The Golem, in a clear Iron Man parallel. And then their Mandarin can be The Son of God, who's bewitched the legions and others to do harm to the true Messiah with his Twelve Rings of the Disciples. And even that would be less directly racemongering topical that this slop is.

Fuck the people pushing this, and fuck that we can't notice the political subtext of a terrible story trying to make Hispanics want more racial violence against whites, which is clearly the story it wants to tell there's no 'um ackshually' involved. It's selling to divide people more, and it's a repulsive act.

>>149551689

>>149543037 (OP)
Is it AI generated? It doesn't look right.

>>149554754
Aztecs weren't in South America
>>no i need the brand name for attention
Yeah I hate Batman by Gaslight and Ninja Batman too

>>149554312
The people here are retarded anon and only want ooga booga orc archetypes
I don't know if you're doing an alt-history thing, I got similar ideas but they're hard to explain in a thread filled with ragebait.
You don't need to focus everything on the pop culture shit people expect from mesoamerca, else then Japan would still be sumo and sushi.

>>149550445
>always
Yeah that's what happens when you proudly don't read or watch the shit you're complaining about

>>149547207
They're an easy low hanging fruit where they did something objectively bad, therefore it's okay to kill them and their women and their children and say that colonization is good and not just about stealing resources and expanding land, it's about uuuh god and christ or something.
It's usually by people who are okay or proud of other things like slavery or pointless wars or genocide, so it's not about morality, it's about tribalism and going against anything that paints native people in neutral or positive light. It's why these illiterates usually copy and past criticisms against Mesoamerica(which they already know little about) to the Incas, who did sacrifices that weren't more extreme the sacrifice fucking Nordics or Romans did. I've seen retards say they deserve everything bad because the fucking Moche, a pre-Inca civilization a thousand years prior, did more extreme sacrficies.
That's simply it.

>>149548646
Except they weren't tribal and the Spaniards didn't even view them as savages for the most part
The popular view is naked people in the jungle living in mud, the opposite of what they were irl

Might as well ask here since this is a Batman thread

does anyone have/remember a comic image of batman holding two girls, one of each shoulder, like this? But two of them
As a kid I often saw it in those old black box text templates that memes used to be in

>>149548966
There was enough abuse and violence against people who did nothing wrong that newly converted nobles would write letters of complaints to the crown and mention the law, and the spanish just kept them hidden and they never got sent to Spain

>>149556645
Do you love replying to bait with more bait

>>149556470
technically cont but i'm not counting this as a full post

>>149560037
I have no idea, I only really know a ton about Mesoamerica so I don't have much a frame of reference, beyond that I see discussion of rapes during wars when other historical periods and regions come up.

>>149563940
Yes, actually: In the NYCC panel they mentioned their version of Alvarado was taking influence from that character(?), but I don't into DC stuff that much and wasn't sure what name they were trying to say. So now I know. Can you tell me more about them?

>>149563980
It's got the Onyx Equinox conundrum of being very well researched and having pretty background art but stilted animation, sadly.

13.5/?

>>149555671
That's terrible, I wouldn't want anyone to suffer from our bullshit equitative laws that only benefit hacks

>>149543037 (OP)
Bats in mesoamerican cultures are usually themed around evil man-eating cave demons.
>Unironically, this will probably be the best or second best researched piece of media I know of that focuses on Mesoamerica directly made by a major commercial studio (so excluding indies/publisher picked up indies) alongside Onyx Equinox. That perhaps speaks more to how most projects butcher the setting then anything else, but they still did a good job here (at least for Mesoamerican stuff, IDK about Spanish aesthetics): Compare to pic related
Doesn't really change the fact its weird to have Batman in a civilization that sacrifices human beings at least once a month. And aztecs were the most bloodthirsty ones who took the sacrifices to violent extremes. Having an Aztec themed fantasy show would be cool where the twisted culture of blood sacrifice is just normal everyday stuff for the heroes and the villagers fighting jungle demons and gods of hell. Like heroes regularly opening their own veins to sacrifice some of their own blood when asking for favors from gods. It would be like a fantasy story from a savage and bloody lense with its own heroes and villains. But that kind of approach would still warrant a R-18 rating where Batman doesn't really fit well.

>>149553092
I really really really really hated Batman Ninja that big monkey mech made me instantly alt-f4 my videoplayer and delete the movie from my computer

>>149564718
>Doesn't really change the fact its weird to have Batman in a civilization that sacrifices human beings at least once a month

So Spain during the Inquisitions ?

>>149564783
Spain was a war-like clusterfuck fighting everyone and each other when they were conquering americas. That doesn't really absolve Aztecs of their notorious rituals though. You can't really go "muh spanish propaganda" either because archeologists found a massive child sacrifice grave in the Aztec capital city ruins. To Aztec credit its "only" the 2nd biggest mesoamerican child grave, biggest child sacrifice mass grave can be contributed to Chimu's, ancient rivals of Mayans.

>>149564783
Not that anon but to call the inquisition trials "child sacrifices" is disingenuous. For one thing, the Church is the one that is helping you to recant to prevent to be given to the secular court of the people who already want you punished to quell their hysteria.

>>149544475
>>149555716
Why is this 10 times more erotic than regular porn??

>>149547483
I'm sure it's the same thing like the French or English getting native allies. Its just to find how the enemy works and them completely shit on their allies after the war is won.

>>149545027
>Jungle slop
Its because theres such a little info on the Aztecs because the Catholic Church wiped everything out. Like if you look at classical paintings of the Aztecs all the cities are shown as plain white buildings for the most part but ignore all the wooden/grass structures they used to have (burnt down) and all the gold and jewel decorations they would have decorated the city (pillaged). Not to mention you see the cities surrounded by trees but this is literally from a couple hundred years of abandonment. Really all we have is colonial contact info and the people writing those journals are genuinely ignorant of culture or history as they larp as Romans conquering the Gaul.

>>149553092
Batman ninja is dumber.

>>149564917
>For one thing, the Church is the one that is helping you to recant
lol

>>149564718
The moralization is gay, either a mesoamerican story wouldn't focus on it too much(majority of Mayan sacrifices your average citizen would engage with was piercing themselves), or just be absolutely unapologetic about it like some nazi metal bands.

>>149543373
>Doesn’t fighting for human sacrifices against everything Batman stands for?
It's literally, actually the first time his no-kill rule makes any sense.

Change my mind.

>>149544439
To be fair, the Aztecs thought they were saving the world from destruction with their sacrifices, so they thought they were doing the right thing even if it was messed up.
If you want an empire as brutal as the Aztecs, but who knew exactly what they were doing and didn't delude themselves with that kind of beliefs, look at the Neo-Assyrian Empire.

>>149543037 (OP)
>>149546497
>>149546893
>>149546992

Venture Bros did it better

>>149565277
>To be fair, the Aztecs thought they were saving the world from destruction with their sacrifices, so they thought they were doing the right thing even if it was messed up.
Maybe, because relegion, culture and state have been one in most culture up until basically a couple centuries. But they also created the Flower Wars, in which their religion and human sacrifices became a system to keep control over their neighboring tribes.

Remember that these guys were so hated that even small bands of Spaniards were able to take over them because every neighboring group/kingdom would join them to fuck the Aztecs over.

>>149565348
>But they also created the Flower Wars, in which their religion and human sacrifices became a system to keep control over their neighboring tribes.
I'm under the impression that everybody involved in those shared a culture of human sacrifices, so participating in Flower Wars meant that they could make the captives necessary for their own city-state's rites too. Becoming a captive and a slave might be dishonourable, but being captured and sacrifice still counted as being elevated. Everybody understood the necessity of it and most of them would've cut or pierced themselves to make offerings of their own blood since their childhood.

>>149565139
Do you think they just killed everyone that was put into trial?

>>149543037 (OP)
Gonna be honest guys, I don't have it in me to do the culture war thing with this one. I liked Aztec stuff too much as an 11-year old to get on my high-horse.

>>149565714
But it's apparently not very good, making it woke by default. If it were good, it would be based judeo-zionist conservative or whatever.

>>149564718
>And aztecs were the most bloodthirsty ones who took the sacrifices to violent extremes.
They really weren't
>Having an Aztec themed fantasy show would be cool where the twisted culture of blood sacrifice is just normal everyday stuff for the heroes and the villagers fighting jungle demons and gods of hell. Like heroes regularly opening their own veins to sacrifice some of their own blood when asking for favors from gods.
That actually would be really cool. It'd be especially fitting if it took most of it's inspiration from the Maya since they were really into auto-sacrificial rites (pic rel, Mural of a Mayan Pre-classical king piercing his penis as part of said rights, from San Bartolo). This stuff was very important for political legitimacy, as it was closely associated with kingship and supernatural powers, so a super-hero utilizing them makes a lot of sense.

>>149547207
The funny thing about Elon making blue check marks more accessible is that it reveals just exactly how much of this shit is mass coordinated hysteria, same thing with Pedro Pascal smear going on right now, everyone within minutes saying the same thing, or in similar enough ways that makes it extremely obvious that there receiving orders

So is there any decent aztec media? Onyx Equinox is the closest, I love how the various deitys were portrayed but the maincast was very meh and there are times it looks like an old DiC cartoon.

>>149565277
I like Aztecs as anti-heroes
>>149565433
>I'm under the impression that everybody involved in those shared a culture of human sacrifices
You're right. They were extreme, don't get me wrong, but the idea that they were uniquely "evil" is wrong, and that everyone hated them for it, that's some very modern and recent narrative to demonize them even more and paint the conquistadors as heroes who weren't just there for gold and status.
Everyone in the region practiced sacrifice in some form. It was an accepted part of life. The Tlaxcala didn't hate the Aztecs for sacrifices, they hated them because they were a rival power in the region. They didn't see the Spaniards as some based epice christbros here to save the day, they debated among themselves whether the Spaniards were worth allying with. It was typical sterile geopolitics. And people project the Tlaxcala and others unto everyone else. The Purepecha continued to fight the Spaniards for decades after that, Chichimeca who hated the Aztecs continued to fight the Spaniards, the last Mayan city-state didn't fall until the 1690's, nearly 200 years later. The Spaniards were also seen as fighting more barbarically than the Flower Wars. Flower Wars had rules. It's less brutal than regular war, but you die either way if you lose.
That other anon is just repeating what he heard online

>>149565747
An Aztec themed fantasy show would be a pain to research because it's hard to grasp what magic they had, and it'll just be typical fantasy magic but with a new coat of point
So I agree, Mayans probably have way more potential

>>149565749
How blue checks work now is basically how these fags thought they worked before.
No, it's actually worse now. Any dumb fuck can buy one and force his way to the top of responses or into everyone's feeds, and it's now a cultural signal to show how much you support sucking off Elon or his politics.
>everyone within minutes saying the same thing, or in similar enough ways that makes it extremely obvious that there receiving orders
It's two things.
Now that blue checks are monetized, these people are incentivized to make more ragebait and clickbait because these failed NFT merchants are fucking desperate to suck out as many more nickels as they can from you. So they have motives to post absolute garbage, I've seen people point out blue checks saying the most asinine shit and just responding to each other, agreeing, not really caring about the conversation, but hoping someone bites. It also incentivizes bots.
But there also absolutely are orders being received. Right wing think tanks have a vast network of connections and people who take their orders, cunnyrapist1488 isn't part of it(though he will slurp up fox news shit from time to time), but the media figures like matt walsh absolutely do and they do have connections to establishment figures. Charlie Kirk can talk to the president, and brag about forcing tiktok to boost his videos. Just look how these guys immediately from talking about releasing the epstein files, to telling you to shut up about the files, that it's a democrat(pedophiles(but don't ask for the files please)) hoax.

>>149565782
same, Im actually trying to write a story with an Aztec character. Set after the Spanish take over. young boy sent overseas to be a slave, desperate to free his poor...only to learn the harsh realities of how his civilization worked as he gets older.

>>149565779
Buncha francobelgian comics, though many of them are pulp, gore porn or misery/torture porn.

>>149543279
The villains of precolumbian mexico is the aztecs lol

>>149565948
>Bruce Wayne be like
"The Nahuatl are a vile and cowardly lot, so I shall dress as an Aztec."

>>149565921
Shamanism/La Danse du Temps is one of my favorite comics, though it's an alternate-history setting, it's French and doesn't fit any of those categories. But the Aztecs only appear briefly in one book. Skaggy the Lost is good, though it has vikings in it. It's comedic so there's no real jerking off of them or one side over the other. Same author too.
Also you gotta be okay with guro or think it's cool to like the Aztecs. Some of the best art of them is by Mossa, unsurprisingly.