Thread 149545098

This is a The Wotch Spin off so I'm gonna add the rest of the Storytime threads, you should probably read at least till part 4 for context or till till season 2 as they were published around the same time.

>First thread
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>Second thread
>>149481198

>Third thread
>>149497259

>Fourth thread
>>149511256

>>149545098 (OP)
>PDF FILES
>Season 1
https://files.catbox.moe/gm5ho1.pdf
>Season 2
https://files.catbox.moe/a4etag.pdf
>Blue Moon
https://files.catbox.moe/2bbf8f.pdf
>Season 3
https://files.catbox.moe/b1z903.pdf
>MSM and Fillers
https://files.catbox.moe/1kgqw6.pdf

>>149545098 (OP)
>What is CHEER!
Cheer! is the story of four teenage cheerleaders in the school of Tandy Gardens, a school where magical things happen.

One day, while at school and magic was running amuck, 4 jocks were magically transformed into 4 girl cheerleaders. With no memories of the magical event, and their past lives, they assumed their new lives as the school’s cheer squad.

>>149545114
>CHaracters:
Alexandra King
Alexandra "Alex" King is a cheerleader at Tandy Gardens High School. Alex is the leader of the TGHS cheerleading squad, and takes her duties very seriously. She is given to unnecessarily long-winded speeches with unnecessarily long words, and uses military style analogies to motivate her squad. [spoiler...] Alex has an intense rivalry with fellow TGHS student Lindsay Verte, and the two dislike each other strongly.


Joanna Star
Joanna "Jo" Star is a cheerleader at Tandy Gardens High School. Jo is the bouyant heart of the cheer squad, always looking on the bright side of even the cloudiest of issues and willing to take one for the team. Jo is amazingly perceptive, and posesses some profound insights on the nature of life and those around her. She tries to mask this by appearing silly, but it is one of her most endearing features. Jo is also a fan of Joss Whedon's "Firefly".


Samantha Smith
Samantha "Sam" Smith is a cheerleader at Tandy Gardens High School. Sam is the creative focus of the cheer squad: She creates the cheer squad's custom uniforms, chooses their performance music, and choreographs the cheers. Her cooking skills are reknowned throughout the school. [spoiler...] Sam has taken it upon herself to be Alex's "Minder", helping people cut through her abasive outer qualities and helping Alex to restrain herself from her own long-windedness. In the "Win a Date With a Cheerleader" Raffle, Sam wound up going on a date with Robert

>>149545136
Cher Lita Harper
Cher Lita Harper, known to friends as "Lita", is a cheerleader at Tandy Gardens High School, along with Alexandra King, Samantha Smith, and Joanna Star. Lita is the vamp of the group, unashamed of using her substantial femenine wiles and keen wit to get what she wants from anyone. Perhaps influenced by the many years she has spent playing Dungeons and Dragons she is fond of concocting elaborate forms of revenge when she feels slighted. [spoiler...] Lita enjoys playing Dungeons and Dragons in her spare time, along with Gabriel Masters, Ken Bradsworth, Preston Abraham, and Keith Huntington. Lita has forced the group to sign an elaborate contract regarding how they can interact at TGHS while away from the gaming table. The group doesn't mind: They get to play D&D with an actual GIRL!

>>149545098 (OP)
>you should probably read at least till part 4 for context
Or we could just explain in a very basic way; that 4 asshole Jock where transformed into cheeleaders those who know about the change think is an improvement and everyone else doesn't care the jocks are gone, now with no memories of their former selves and not need to uphold their macho personas they can live a new life

>>149545378
Never mind you already did it.

>>149545378
Which is always kind of funny to read in how beyond stereotypical those jocks apparently were, since most jocks I'd met in highschool were really chill and friendly

>>149545415
End of chapter 1
Beginning of chapter 2: 1912h

>>149545175
As a lad I like Cheer better because the artstyle was more "anime" and back then Anime = Better

>>149545266
>>149545340
You know taking aside this is a spinoff of a TF comic, I like the idea of a group of cheerleaders trying to hype up the school spirit on a school where people don't really give a fuck about anything. Usually the Cheerleader are the Stacies in the story but here it feels like they are underdogs.

>>149545374
How many secret cults and organizations are running around at this school?

>>149545569
>>149545569
As much as are necessary to move the plot

>>149545098 (OP)
Haha time for identity death suffering
it's been a month since the last R63 thread, are we waiting post-SDCC rush

>>149545489
Enter random envious Stacy.

>>149545536
Tomboy my ass, that is a D&D nerd!

>>149545551
Oh look everyone favorite leaf! All male and not petrified.

>>149545758
>>149545786
>Tomboy my ass, that is a D&D nerd!
yes, that Tomboy tag is basically only cause of the haicut.

>>149545786
They can be both!
R-right?

>>149545639
More people with memory loss, is this Memento?

>>149545857
small coffee break, stand by

>>149545675
>>149545687
I'm starting to think this Ditzy bimbo girl isn't as ditzy as she lets on

>>149545742
Anyone who plays D&D knows if this is accurate of just gibberish?

>>149545098 (OP)
Man, these fucking thread always go way too quickly for me, when I do finally have time to read, they're all over.

>>149545824
Is fun seeing the side character getting a little more love.

>>149545136
>Joanna "Jo" Star
>Joanna Jo Star
>Joanna Joestar
>Jo Jo
>JOJO

>>149545971
Sunless Citadel is a real D&D module, but I have met any kind of game master was that insanely overgenerous with giving armor and magic weapons of that strength to level 1 - 3 adventurers

>>149545671
>Spoiler
I don't know, i suppose that one guy will do it whenever he wants

>>149545675
>>149545900
Jo is the best character for real

>>149545996
I'll go slow dude, it's a short story anyway so there's no point in rushing it

>>149545971
Pretty much all of the D&D stuff is both super accurate and on point reference wise. Not some casual stuff especially for the day it was made. You would need the actual books and quite a few, to make as many and as deep lore references as she does

>>149545878
Its refreshing to see the lackeys rebel early in story, they really have no reason no follow her.

>>149545757
One of them probably banged her in their previous lives.

>>149546195
Damn, I never though about that, what if the Jocks had GF?

>>149546246
According to every single character who interacted with them nobody liked them so either they didnt have girlfriends or they were together only for their social status

>>149545786
Lita's entire character is that she's a Cheerleader who loves TTRPGs. She probably spends as much time in a basement than everyone here.

>>149545632
Fucking Jason lol.

>>149545675
>>149545687
Holy fuck, Jo is hilarious.

>>149545705
>Looks like a tomboy
>Is actually the hardcore nerd of the group
>probably shitposts on /tg/ when she's not at practice
I was bamboozled, yet I am not unhappy finding out this truth. I wonder if she would be into 40k.

>>149546437
I think 40K would be more up Alex's alley

>>149546287
Its hard to imagine how one can be the typical popular asshole jock, and not have anybody liking you, or show any sign of that.

>>149546451
Jo just discovered the "villains" and this is an authors appearance, good time for a break to let you read.
I'll be back in a few hours, or less.

>>149546494
Probably more of an inertia of some kind of stereotypical social status I guess

>>149546372
This has got to be one of the best joke about taking down stuck up school bitches ever.

>>149546458
Alex would play Imperial guard with a baneblade

Jo would play some unholy combo of Elder and Tau, that should not work nearly as well as it does.

Lita would play either khorne, or slaanesh, depending on how competitive she feeling, that day.

Sam would like painting the figures for the others.

>>149546194
Didn't you said those designs where 90% leg?

>>149546287
Well we only have the perspective of the non jocks, there are other jocks around maybe they did liked them? On acount of all being jock meatheads.

>>149546637
Yes, from redrawing the cover, but that was before reading the actual thing,
Now that detail is funnier cause we rarely see their legs

>>149546269
kek, no point wasting food

>>149545552
Yeah, the premise is actually pretty decent on its own, I wonder if it can hold up.

>>149546319
Majestic

>>149546671
Nope, not even other jocks liked them, at least the non jerk jocks
>>149496407

>>149546517
heh

>>149546677
>Now that detail is funnier cause we rarely see their legs

So, how does this compare with Wotch and EGS so far?

>>149546889
Less TF more highschool shenanigans, Not gonna lie I think so far EGS has the better jokes. But Wotch has better characters.

>>149546889
Pretty decent slice of life so far with some magic hints in the background. The premise of a bunch of cheerleaders trying to fight student apathy to raise the school spirt is interesting enough to have my attention to see how it gets implemented.

Also Lita posting on /tg/ is funny to me. I bet Alex posts in either /k/ or /his/.

>>149546922
>But Wotch has better characters.
The vibe I get from the two is the Wotch and Cheer are better at characterization and character comedy, while EGS seems to be better at situational comedy (and physical if you count the hammers).

>>149546517
Thanks for your work.

>>149546517
Back to it

>>149547652
Crap, I just realized I messed up a page, sorry

>next
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>>149547658
>Previous, cause I can´t delete it

>>149548058
A color page

>>149548288
>I used to be really good at that
Ouch, that must feel horrible.

>>149548346
:(

>>149548346
Damn

>>149548346
I wonder if she can't do it because her body is different or if she lost all her old coordination.

>>149548570
That is going to be answered in some pages ahead

>>149545878
Oh no, I feel bad for her.

>>149548600
page 100 woo, there's still more for this chapter though

>>149546431
I like their stuggle.

>>149548614
Are... Lita's parents wererabbits by any chance?

>>149547661
Plot thickens and mean girl is a key part of it.

>>149547687
Pretty funny considering the EGS thread covering this story.

>>149548662
what was this old stupid thing of people disliking girls with big butts?

>>149547690
Is this her subconcious telling her identity is a fabrication?

>>149548699
I was just reeding that, tha's why the slow pace.
also it´s late and someone has to bump the thread.

>>149548708
>comment
meant for this one

>>149548728
ah finally the actual suffering and crisis

>>149548735
I´m tempted to leave it here for cliffhanging purposes

>>149548735
:'(

>>149547668
Is the monster in the forest a reference to something that happened in the main comic?

>>149548850
It may be referencing part 6 of the main comic, but I'm not really sure, I can barely read it.

>>149547707
Jesus Christ that meme was Old! when this comic came out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qItugh-fFgg

>>149547783
A Tarrasque is a magical dinosaur the Dungeon Master use if they want a big final fight for their adventure or if they want to wipe out the party.

>>149547810
Poor guy

>>149547835
You need to know algebra to shoot canons if anyone wonders.

>>149547879
Looks like she didn't die

>>149548747
Yeah, I'm going to leave it here for now, I have to sleep for a bit at least and turning pages from jpg to png and increasing the resolution is not as relaxing as one could think

>>149547886
This escalated quickly.

>>149548029
This would explain why the Principal in the Wotch looking like a OC out of the story.

>>149548042

I'm willing to bet, at least the teacher has get used to all the weirdness to the point he probably thinks the principal got turned into a woman.

Also Ka-maraderie and Ka-nsole are pretty funny jokes.

>>149548058
Now I'm going to go back to the main comic and see if there is at least one panel with someone tripping over in the background.

>>149548098
This I like, they are not popular cheerleaders, they don't even have enough people to form a pyramid.

>>149545114
If you do a transformation that also changes the person mentally, then what's the point? At that point you might as well just make a character that was always like that.

>>149548131
Those two in the bottom left are kind of background characters in the main comic but show up consistently enough that you recognize them

>>149548140
Don't bother Robin is a lost case.

>>149548187
She totally want to fuck Alex right?

>>149549043
Well one the one hand this is a spinoff of the main story so keeping the characters consistent is important, One the other >>149548735 they haven't forgot about the whole transformation.

>>149548974
Have a good night, and thanks for the storytime

>>149548850
Its hard to say since is the text is so blurry is very difficult to read and doesnt describe anything specific(and that artist's rendition aint helping either)

>>149549026
I forgot in which chapter I saw it but I definitely remember someone tripping because I thought it would be related to something else

>>149548258
This is a funny scene

>>149545114
> 4 jocks were magically transformed into 4 girl cheerleaders. With no memories of the magical event, and their past lives
Why make them dudes in the first place? At least try to conceal your fetish.

>>149548346
Ok, lets talk about talk about the elephant in the room, The ethicacy of transforming someone is messed up no matter the result, is just a less violent runabout way to crippling someone, sure there is no blood or torture but the result is the same.

>>149548584
Actually good page.

>>149548600
The more Family Lita has the more confused am I that nobody notices the changes, The again I think is the same kind of spell they used so nobody notice the centaur woman.

>>149549212
This is the spin off of another web-comic where that happens. So it's someone else fetish and you are picking up the characters where the other person stopping using them.

Even the fetish brains who read the original had problems with the fact that this 4 bullies got transformed and completely mind changed and decided to develop them more.

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>>149548662
Its a product of its time, back then the idea female form was skinny, blame Britney Spears

>>149548735
She talks about it with such bright, starry eyes, and the other guy just dismisses it in the most apathetic way possible.

>>149548974
Thanks again.

>>149549233
The original Webcomic tried discussing that with mixed results. It had an entire arc where the main character finds out about all the characters who were transformed and just left that way, and her sense of ethics compelled her to fix it, only to discover someone has been going around town covering up all the changes with selective memory wipes for the transformed and the civilian population.

The results were kind of mixed, since one victim just came to accept their new status quo as a teenage girl, another lost a boyfriend but lived under a general mindfog that made everyone ignore she's got a half-horse body and could live a normal life. But the jocks had the unique position of everyone but them knowing that they used to be men...and absolutely nobody caring, since their new brainwashed personalities were a lot peppier and considered "the real them" since their stereotypical bullying habits and "macho personalities" were holding them back from truly doing what they wanted such as partaking in nerdy interests or being supportive of other human beings. And since they had no friends outside of each other, weren't dating, and their family and siblings approve just because more than a couple of them were hoping to have daughters to begin with, the main character is forced to just play along with the collective masquerade that four meathead jocks are now popular stereotypical ditzy perky cheerleaders.

The fact that this spinoff webcomic was made to actually examine whether it really was such a perfect "and everyone lived happily ever after" ending for the jocks shows you're in like-minded company when it comes to asking these questions. But there are a whole lot of reasons that people don't interrogate it further in-story. Not GOOD reasons, mind, but they exist. And probably makes Jo's situation far worse because she remembers her past life, knows nobody wants that or her old self back, and has to just act like she's okay with it.

>>149549995
I very much like it. As people were talking on the EGS thread a lot of these comics undervalue masculinity and the original personality of the characters, so it's very refreshing seeing one that actually goes on its way to deconstruct it, in the case with Jo.

I find the other characters pretty charming too, tho Lita could tone down a bit the d&dism

>>149550203
Yeah, as a spinoff, it does quite a lot for these characters that I'm pretty sure none of the creators of the Wotch had much time or interest for. And the page of Jo talking eagerly about being a football jock and then becoming depressed that all her team's accomplishments were wiped away is probably the closest to asking if the cheer squad were even that bad people as jocks and not just being moody asshole teenagers. It's always nice to see fans introspect the original work from different angles.

And helps that the art is much better. The artist for Wotch Cheer closed the comic but still has their deviantart up, and they're still actively improving ever since the comic ended. Makes me look forward to if they undertake another large project like another webcomic in the future.

>>149548916
Lita is a NERD! And that's hot.

>>149547628
Their have been a lot of showing of the stuck up rich girls archetype. But the Ekaltsew Cheerleaders are by far my favorite. No attempts to sugarcoat it, or downplay the archetype, full on vanity to the max. To the point they cheer for themselves, since clearly they are worth more anyone else.

>>149548974
Thanks again anon.

>>149550203
Lita is the obvious the hot nerd girl, it's too obvious.

>>149549419
I mean, the entire concept is the school hasn't gave a single fuck about school activities at all, so it makes sense that nobody knows they won state last year if nobody cared.

I will say that I love how the main four have obvous stereotypical cheerleader traits that you can notice, but are also some of the least stereotypical cheerleaders with their actual interests and hobbies. It makes them stand out a lot in a way that I didn't expect.

>>149549255
Yeah, I think Miranda got involved and used that spell again.

The interesting thing that I've sort of notice between this and the Wotch is that a basic magic transformation of the setting seems to be a direct swap. Like, a straight dude will turn into a straight girl, but they'll keep the same interests and likes they already had as well as core personality traits (which you can also see with Sonja too), with any mental stuff coming mainly from hormones and the new orientation (Wolfie looking at a girl's ass when changed). So the question is how much of these mental changed are magic based, or are just because woman function and think differently than men, so there's just going to be a shift in how one acts due to the new biology.

Jo gushing over football is cute, and it sucks nobody else seems to care though.

>>149545705
A touch strange this contract exists when every other line out of her mouth so far has been a DnD reference

>>149551161
She just doesn't want to be seen as a nerd

>>149551127
It's one of the things a number of earlier tf comics got flack for in that they will depict depict mtf changes as more or less the original personality but with their more negative personality traits ground down or outright gone, as though becoming a girl is like being turned into an "ideal" self rather than swapping out certain issues for other ones. But it wasn't one of those things that I think was meant to be malicious or insensitive, just a side effect.

Though I also liked Jo's reaction since it's almost identical to the one I got when I asked someone who was on their football team in highschool what was the appeal.

>>149551161
Lita is massive fucking NERD, but is insecure about it. Which is why her constantly referencing DnD is funny because she's probably hot enough that nobody would give a fuck. I'd bet at some point they're would be some storyline centered around her getting over the insecurity, probably during some plan of Alex's to promote school unity between the nerds and the popular kids.

>>149550203
It feels like Identity Death but the comic bends backward to show the jocks weren’t identity dead, more like memory manipulated and having the one mental issue that made them aggressive removed. It’s a clumsy retcon but is clear an attempt to tackle the issue was made. There are hints that their memories are not completely gone just buried deep, at some point Ivan mentions Alex apologizing to him for bullying him despite admitting she didn’t know why she was doing it.
I think most people had issues with it because unlike Ming who had a choice, with the jocks, theie choice was made for them from a place of vengeful apathy. I think a lot find the idea that someone could die and disappear and nobody give a damn about them distressing no matter the person. The fact that only the snoopy Ivan even made an attempt to ask around what happened to their early selves while everyone else is just glad they aren’t around drives the point home.

>>149551331
>>149551441
Well in this case in addition to the gender change spell, they where also hit with a spell that basically lets them overcome any biases they had. Which is why their personality change so much compared to Sonja and the other people.

Post comic revelations
Save for Jo, she/he are immune to any and all forms of mind, control, personality alteration, and illusions. So she chose make the personalty changes she did for herself

>>149550430
>Jo talking eagerly about being a football jock
>>149551127
>Jo gushing over football is cute, and it sucks nobody else seems to care though.

The panel where she tries to throw that football ball is the cruelest to me, cause it's not even about strength, it's about your body being unable to perform like it used to, is almost an allegory for having a mayor injury.
But beside that I think is cruel also because she can see the way it improved her life but can't choose to improve her original self over this experience, that decision has been taken for her and she can't do anything about it, not even retaking her old interests

>>149551331
>But it wasn't one of those things that I think was meant to be malicious or insensitive, just a side effect.
Same, I just found it interesting that in the Wotch, it seems physical magic and mental magic seem to be sperate spells that mainly need to be cast separately, and if they're casted together it can fuck up royally. (which we can see with Even more than once). So the logic for the mental shifts we see in the comic mainly seemed to be more biological than magical except when noted, which would actually explain why Jo remembers everything; the main spell was physical so whatever mental magic was secondary and probably wasn't as strong or effective.

But yeah, it don't think there's really any malice behind the author's intent, and Jo's speech was really sweet at how earnest it was. I didnt think that i would dislike that the students are apathetic to the school, so this is well written for sure.

I told you fuckers that Cheers was worthwhile. I find it more interesting than both EGS and the wotch.

>>149551772
That's the kind of thing that feeds into the whole "idealized self" criticisms, but I do understand there had to be SOME kind of logic behind the massive personality shifts besides outright breaking down the original personalities.

>>149551797
The apathy does remind me a lot of the general attitude towards "school spirit" back in the 90s and early 2000s in media, where the concept was seen as kind of a farce to basically celebrate the school itself over the students and that any sense of unity or excitement was faked to hell and back, so I get why the Cheerleaders have such an uphill battle.

>>149551796
Lack of agency is the main issue, is a choice someone made for her and a life everyone else is impossing on her, even if its good it lacks choice.

Also issolation sinse remembering her old life creates distance in her relation ship with the other three.

MIGHT BE SPOIOLERS:

Not sure if I remember correctly, but I think later on it's show that their team "never" had won or participated on these competitions to begin with (and this is why they are apatethic)

Iirc their history is being retconed, and without the OG jocks their team sucks, and because of that nobody cares about their team. The memories of winning competitions is non existant. Later on Jo has to tackle that she is the only one that remembers her feats.

>>149552065
Tho I might be remembering it wrong.

>>149548747
I just realized, who is the girl in that previous page?. Anyway, time to finish the chapter

>>149552185
Gaslighting

>>149552230
gay panic

>>149552178
The artist self insert?

>>149552200
Sad but also funny.

>>149552230
Don't you hate when goblin steal your stuff?

>>149550430
>he artist for Wotch Cheer closed the comic but still has their deviantart up, and they're still actively improving ever since the comic ended.

Is the writer and artist the same person? It would be neat if he knew we were storytiming it.

>>149552491
Jo is such a weeb

>>149552614
That's all for the moment, I´ll continue whenever I finish resizesing the next chapter

>>149552308
Remember payphones?

>>149552308
I call bullshit, in 05 she would be pirating that show with fan subs.

>>149552326
How to write existential horror and characeter development in 4 panels or less.

>>149552863
Its really more character construction than development, we are just starting to know how they feel and why

>>149552387
I like when she breaks her speeches mixing the words.

>>149552394
Kek

>>149546441
"Immune to deception" is a fun character trait

>>149552519
Far as I can tell, yes. Here's his deviantart if you're interested. Seems he hasn't forgotten about the cheer squad going by his art gallery, either.

>https://www.deviantart.com/tselsebar

>>149552460
There you are TF fetish, I thought you'll never show up.

>>149552922
I think it more Jo once she notices something has to deal with it fully. It took Jo maybe 2-3 hours to deal with it.

>>149552519
There was an anon in another thread who said they were in touch with the autors of the wotch/cheer and wanted to show them gear's fanart, I guess at the very least they should be aware that theres people discussing the comics here

>>149553260
That wouldn't be a good idea
>have major character drama that can speak an entire arc of the comic
>solve it in two pages

It's a very interesting aspect of the character, solving it at the start seems like a mistake.

If anything I'd like if the comic focused on humanizing the initial jocks more, and this weird vibe that they seem to have (like King's subconscious referring to her as a boy).

>>149553429
I agree...
I think that Jo's "bittersweet optimism" is the soul of the comic, and is the main feeling I get when reading it. It's also very significative with the title being "CHEERS" and our MCs being cheerleaders.

>>149553260
Let's understand this, a character being able to rationalise their feelings doesn't mean they solved the issue.
Jo just got through this mayor flow of emotions and realized she's been hiding her problems from herself more than from her friends, that doesn't solve the issue, it just acknowledge it

>>149552515
Wait! I thought those goblins where green.

>>149552629
>>149552614
What do you think is worse? The race change or the genderswap?

>>149553429
I wouldn't call it solved more like in oause due to goblins.

>>149553331
Also, there's some long texts the author has made about cheer as comments in his DA pics, would you like me to try and add those related to the story or the creation of the comic?

>>149554503
Sure, but only where they're related to the comic in the post.

>>149554503
Yes but Wait until after finishing I would say. Those all came out much later, long after the comic ended.

>>149554503
I'd say wait until the story is over, its interesting to see how people interpret the characters without backstage information

>>149552460
Alway amusing how transformations to different species affect the personality.

Probably my favorite thing about the setting

>>149552460
This was referenced in the wotch when Myrrh lost control and was going full The Blob during that forest party, btw >>149497563

>>149553429
I think any serious exploration of the 4 pre girl would have to showcase that they where each enabling each others worse traits.

>>149555755
Ohhh, that makes sense.

>>149552629
Next chapter

>>149547700
Geez, Gabe is crazy generous with the magic items

>>149552326
>Not even my own body remembers
That line goes hard.

>>149556549
I'm taking a pause here to eat, and also cause page 181 seems to be missing. I couldn´t find it on the website, so if someone has it please post it

>>149556205
Anne cameo!

>>149556281
Holy shit, these people were around this early?

I will say it, the principal is top tier. She is cute and funny.

>>149556322
Based Alex, she ain't putting up with no bullshit artist.

>>149556348
Cute!

>>149556484
I feel that mood

>>149546494
probably an artifact of hollywood trying to simplify the social structure and dumb reality down to help make for a more 'satisfying' story

>>149556567
Ok

>>149556567
E-hentai has a copy of this comic, maybe is in there

>>149556567
Here you go anon, page 181

I honestly think that Cheers handle characters better than the Wotch.

Scenes like these
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>>149552601
149556477
>>149556484
Are either inexistent or super rare on other TF comics. It's more introspective. (I also like how it uses the cast from the main Wotch comic).

>>149556391
Love the different approaches the girls take here. Especially loves Ming try at it.

>>149556867
Pretty sure Jo does not know about Anne so for her the change is permanent. Which happens in the Wotch too, those not in the know about the super powerful magic user that can fix your issues, treat the transformations as much more serious then the rest, that are in the know.

Just popping in to say I greatly appreciate how there's at least one exposed midriff in just about every page of this comic. To be expected from what's apparently a fetish comic but still

>>149556477
Man Sam works fast she got the 3 girls uniforms customized in a single night.

>>149545249
One of the best parts of the comic that I really like, is not only are uniforms tailored to the girls. But are each unique custom designed for their body type. Really big cheer-teams might do the first bit, but I doubt any real cheer team, goes the extra step to individualized uniforms.

>>149556567
A very real moment here. They had the strength to break with their bad friend. Now free of the restrains upon then they have started walking different paths.

I doubt they would lose their friendship, but they are setup for good heart to heart.

>>149557108
This is a mid 00s anime inspired webcomic, it could've had exposed middfifs regardless of the author's fetishes

>>149557142
>Really big cheer-teams might do the first bit, but I doubt any real cheer team, goes the extra step to individualized uniforms.
That is 100% an anime thing, any school irl with uniforms would never allow you to alter them. But it's such an easy visual shorthand for distinguishing characters and showing you flashes of their personality before they open their mouths that it's still used to this day

>>149552460
Hot

>>149556597
I didn't realise how much I depend on colors to recognise her

>>149556786
>>149556835
Thank you anons, I'll continue in a few minutes

You know I think this is why I could never get into this stuff much. The idea of randomly transforming people’s bodies and minds for no particular reason just seems cruel, especially when there’s no plan on turning them back.
I still remember seeing a story a while ago where someone was trapped as a mannequin because turning them back was too expensive. It still freaks me out

>>149557202
Pretty sure Sam made their uniforms, not modified the school uniforms.

On account of the school not having any cheerleaders prior to the 4 becoming girls. Which does say a lot about the school thou. Which is kind of strange since while Tandy does seem to be a public school, it gets a lot of very rich kids. So it not lacking in funds.

Huh. Didn't know this existed.

>>149556477
>last panel
Damn! My dick!

>>149557666
Do you have a Sherlock Holmes fetish, satan?

>>149557718
Nta but I get it. I definitely get it

>>149557759
Of all the thing in this comic the seems the most unrealistic. Karen a girl that is quite a bit up their in looks, they will have learned to handle being looked by that age, or go full frump clothing.

>>149557889
Hmmm fight of alpha bitches

>>149557806
Money wins again!

>>149557919
Alex has grit, I like her.

>>149557404
Say what you will about the OG art, they do a good job keeping everyone recognizable no matter the gender or species

>>149556250
>I don't know...
>Can you repeat the question...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4CVKbVtTsc

>>149556274
heh, completely ignored

>>149557718
Now I do

>>149556635
Always been
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnRt_JEoBRU

>>149556372
When someone from the main cast show up is like those times in sitcoms when a popular actor shows up.

>>149556391
Wolfie trying to force the enthusiasms out of him

>>149556468
This is some Invader Zim levels of denial.

>>149556867
Cheer is more character development and less transformation. You have to remember the context of the comic it was kind of a side dish.

>>149556519
Who the hell is this fist of the northstar character?

>>149556528
>Mothers Against Practically Everything
Kek

Bros the principal is too hot.

>>149557108
>Just popping in to say I greatly appreciate how there's at least one exposed midriff in just about every page of this comic.
This comic is from the mid 00s it was the style at the time.

>>149557470
The original (and early) wotch comic treated it as gags you weren't suppose to think much about. Think of it as a sitcom, something happens, you laugh, and we move to another thing. If anything it was the fan reaction that caused the comic to treat the transformation with a little more though, if not for that Ming would still be a anime stereotype and the Jock wouldn't get any characterization.

>>149558539
Someone compared it to Opposing Force in that it's is own thing that just happen to be happening at the same time at the same place with shared characters, and I couldn't agree more

>>149557718
>>149557761
>>149558220
Is this better or worse that having a floor tiles fetish?

>>149557776
The fuck is Lita wearing? Is some sort of blouse with what a appears to be just sleves on top of it.

>>149558761
Sometimes I think you all invent this fetishes just to piss people off trying to understand them

>>149558786
Yes, those sleeves are more common on women fashion that you would think

>>149557879
>Wait the rich girl just eats Lobster in the cafeteria?
That is hilarious.

>>149558761
>floor tiles fetish

Wow. Now that's something I haven't thought about in a long time.

>>149557889
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvqIHkfXlM8

>>149558838
Hey, at least floor tile guy HAD an explanation for what he loved about them

>>149557951
Anyone who plays D&D I have a question, what do you do if someone doesn't show up to the session but their character is suppose to be part of the party?

>>149558912
Either they become an inmortal npc that only does bare minimum, or they are played by a different person decided by the player

>>149558912
As GM I used to give the character to other player. My current GM just pretends he is not there (I'm not a fan of this).

>>149558144
The Wotch has some of the most recognizable character designs I've seen.

>>149558912
Depends on how important their character was. Usually just go on the adventurer minus their character, sometimes the game master or player controls them with permission. It's generally considered more kosher to do the former though, cause if the latter happens and the absent player comes back to find their player character died in the game while they weren't at the table, there tends to be a pretty large amount of backlash.

>>149557987
Coats where at the center of the 00s anime aesthetics, Trigun, Eatman, Ergo Proxy, Full Metal Alchemist, Hellsing, etc.

>>149558009
My issue with this character is that we didn't even get to see as a background character before he got kidnapped. Is just kind of weird.

>>149558428
Peak conspiracy mind here from Jo, very kino

>>149558856
Well, duh, taking the whole school to her house just to make them watch her while eating lobster would be a little bit excessive

>>149559093
poor dude can´t take a break

>>149558009
Good page

>>149559122
Gay

>>149559134
really gay

>>149558428
That's... I'm not sure if that is a reference to Helena from Street fighter, Nadia secret of Blue water of Jungle No Ikou

>>149559146
>>149559134
Ehhh, it feels more like cheap yuri bait that anything legit. It's not good bait either, like it was put there because "manga does it" so the artist felt obligated to fit it in.

>>149559218
And with this this chapter is finished and the final one is teased. I'm leaving it here for the thread and let the rest be discussion and whatever related images you want to post.

>>149559278
Eh, its a tongue in cheek fanservice moment.

>>149559285
Also zipped the chapters for anyone who might want them.

>Intro and chapter 1
https://files.catbox.moe/8ax5yf.zip
>Chapter 2
https://files.catbox.moe/btgfxf.zip

>>149559314
True, it was the style. Jo and Alex have better chemistry though.

>>149559318
Hmmm, we might need to have a second thread if you're posting those artist notes after the last chapter.

>>149559278
I was talking about resolving everything with a hug and an apology in 2 pages

>>149558428
Hey look! Cassie!

>>149559382
That's the plan, the next chapter won't fit anyway with the limit, so I'll start the next thread with it.
I just want to give everyone time to read at their own pace without rushing it.

>>149558745
Pantyshot!

>>149559008
If we are counting things, I think between this and the normal comic there are two instance of a disappearing act where the person doesn't return .

>>149559285
The comic is good, warms my heart. While the wotch tries to be like some newspaper comic this one is full anime.

Part of me would actually prefer that it was its own thing, - like if the story used OCs in a new setting, or if the protags had moved to a different school - because the fantastic and magical elements would pop up more if there wasn't "The Wotch" walking around the school with endless magical powers.

This said the cameos here were well done. Everyone of the 4 girls has something going on and seem to have ACTUAL arcs.

I quite like King. She CARES a lot, but people don't seem to care to what she has to say, everyone kept clowning on her speech and she continued to gon on, its both funny and sad. I think her arc (and the theme of school spirit) would get resolved with her learning to chill out a bit.

Honestly I like the implications that part of the guys is there, I wish the comic delved in it a bit more for drama. Samantha in particular, I would like to see her remember a bit of her past and see how it ties to her father's relationship.

But overral I think it worked well to balance comedy and drama. The comic feels like something planned rather than something made to be infinite, which is a shame because it never got finished.

The principal imo is the hottest character AND she is funny to read. My favorite character created by the author.

>>149559285
>Dead Alewives reference
Okay, I really like that

>>149559386
This one is just a misunderstanding, I can pass it.

>>149559182
Apathy wins again.

>>149559008
>>149559093
>>149559122
>>149559134
I never could figure out what Alex is supposed to be here. My best guess as a D&D displacer beast.

>>149559218
If it turns out there are alien apes I'm going to piss myself of laughter.

>>149559630
Meh

>>149559285
Many thanks, this is surprisingly enjoyable.

>>149559630
>>149559655
The fact that they don't get their goal in the arc contributes to the vibe of bittersweet optism that the comic has.

>>149559557
I agree, the character are pretty solid, I like that it doesn't go for cliches, like we get a mean girl who pretty early sort of puts aside her petty rivalry and start playing detective, I do wonder who this crosses over with the main story though, its kind of weird having so many shadow governments, secret societies and random characters going to the same school.

Something with Alex catches my attention, Her parents seem to be absent enough that they are barely see their child. Do you think we could have got a situation where they show up and don't recognize Alex because they weren't there when Miranda brainwashed everyone?

>>149559689
Its interesting having underdog cheerleaders as the leads, usually they are depicted as super popular here they are liked but nobody gives a shot about the cheerleading. Is them vs the world.

>>149559789
By all account Miranda did nothing to the cheerleader, or the world in general.

>>149549026
>>149549118
Found it! same character too, so this page >>149548058 happens at the same time as pic related.

>>149560839
Forgot to mention this is during the Consequences chapter, also, the teacher is the leader of the evil feminists, and we can assume she is recruiting the black hair girl in the second panel. So at this moment in the story we have no less that two shadowy organizations doing morally questionable stuff at the same time in the same place. This is some duckman shit.

For those who don't know what I mean: https://youtu.be/eGsSLx2xOB0?si=FxShbDjT-Ui5H3Tx&t=1230

>>149560132
Anne mentions she felt the remnants of magic at play

>>149561032
By the way the Cheerleaders plot doesn't get quite solved after Anne decides to keep them like they are, Ivan is the one normal person who figured out the truth about them and that led him eventually to Anne and her mentor.

Also that cat is the same cat that turned Katy into a werecat.

>>149561032
>A spell used to cause feelings of content and happyness
>a previous comic mentions the Wotch can't reverse the spells of other Wotches
I'd put good money that Miranda was responsible for the "everything is alright" thing with the cheerleaders and Anne literally couldn't do jack shit to fix it because she can't reverse the spell at all.

>>149561207
Later on after Ivan gets cursed with the spell that changes reality we get this little moment and now I'm frustrated because neither comic actually finished the story.

>>149560839
>Ekaltsew
>Westlake backwards
Why did they feel the need to do this?

>>149561217
She can reverse the transformation what I think she can't reverse is everyone being alright with it. Also not everyone knows the Cheerleaders were guys, I think only Anne, Robin and Jason and the families are in the know, most just think the Jocks moved and this other 4 cheerleaders show up around the same time.

So most don't know nor care, and the ones who know think is better this way.

>>149561355
Maybe Westlake is a real place?

>>149561032
>>149561217
Anne did not sense anything. And Lita mom is directly compared to Jason's mom. AKA a mom that does not blink upon being informed her son is buying bras for himself. Doesn't even mention that they are the wrong size for him even.

>>149561234
It is a bit sad, both comics have way more potential then 99% of webcomics.

Had thing keep going I would have liked to see an eventual team up of the two casts, against Miranda, or one of the shadowy orgs about.

>>149561394
I feel like Westlake is a generic enough name that it can't be ID'ed to anything important

>>149561355
Because they thought it was funny/clever?

It's like how Evan aka E is called Lilly or "lil e" when he's a little girl

>>149561234
It almost felt.like there was this early concept that after the Wotch's main story reached it's end, there was gonna be more comics like Cheer that would focus in more detail on the secondary characters, focusing on them and how they deal with the weird shit that Tandy Gardens has. But it all was just a rough idea that never got anywhere outside a few weird panel teases.

>>149561421
How?

>>149561398
Considering how what the last Wotch page is, I'd bet a Miranda fight of some kind was upcoming, and I wouldn't be surprised if the Cheer cast plus Ivan with Scott and Julie showed up as key figures in it.

>>149561421
That is some Kojima levels of wordplay

>>149561398
>Anne did not sense anything. And Lita mom is directly compared to Jason's mom
I still like to think that everyone around the cheerleaders was affected by a spell that made them not care about the change, basically like whatever the director uses to not be seen.
It's not that they don't mind it but they can't really acknowledge the severity of the situation

>>149558856
It extra funny as Lobster is peasant food. No actual high class person eats Lobster

I think this wasn´t posted in the wotch thread

>>149562453
>>149562463
Helga Energy.

>>149562469
I feel like the Wotch had some Hey Arnold inspiration along with its Buffy-esque premise.

>>149562487
>>149562469
Both look though as nails but have a sweet angle about it, and are loving to their crush the difference is Cassie is over with her feelings.

>>149562560
Why id there so much of ICS art that has not been archived correctly?

>>149562785
Much of it was hosted on his now defunct own site and apparently nobody thought to make a full backup until it was gone, also the guy is a workhorse that has been pumping drawings for two decades now, so even browsing incomplete archives takes a lot of time and effort

>>149556220
32 responding "who?" every single time someone calls her by her cover name is a great running gag

>>149562785
He had his own personal site that literally had a whole section of just the Wotch fanart. Sadly it was never archived, so we only have the bits and pieces that have been scrounge up over the years unless ICS plans to release them all or something.

>>149561358
>>149561207
>>149561032
>>149560839
I prefer the happy magic explanation because the parents just prefering them like that is a bit depressing.

>>149533154
Sorry that it looks unfinished, I just got fed up cause I couldn´t get the pose right

>>149563440
Agree, the situation is depressing enough without adding that to the mix

>>149563607
>Agree, the situation is depressing enough without adding that to the mix
Like I know that Wotch is usually light hearted, but the thing works with Jason because his mother is a total cuckoo and she doesn't seem to think less of him transformed or not It's also easier to buy it coming from just one character.

Its harder to buy the notion that some of the others have caring parents (like Samantha and Lita) and they just shrug things off when their sons don't seem to be aware of what happened.

The parents being influenced by magic might not be as sunshine, BUT it does open potential for exploring the relationship between the characters and their parents.

>>149563768
One thing I consider is that maybe whatever makes people in this town ignore this really big changes and transformation is actually what makes them also so apathetic.
I suppose that if you just keep making this large group of people ignore important things or forget others their general sense of caring and urgency for everything gets affected in the long run

A tad too late to do anything about it but for the record this page is missing between >>149498480 and >>149498492

I hope tgis doesn't get archived while I'm sleeping

>>149563607
Looks cute.

>>149563768
>>149563830
Lets look at it from the parents perspective for a moment

You have a son that is both deeply unhappy and with an deeply unpleasant personality, and activly toxic friends, that always prevent each other from improving themselves. So even if you talk to them and get thou to them, they revert the next day.

They as a group are so unpopular that despite being national level football players, their school has zero cheerleaders, meaning that everybody has either quit, or graduated from the cheerleader team.

Then one day they come home as a girl, suddenly following all the advice you tried to get them to take over the years. Their friend group that once dragged them down are now supporting each-other, and helping them improve their lives.

You have to ask yourself if them being a girl is an acceptable trade for the massive improvement they have undergone. Not relevant for Alex clearly, Lita, and Sam's family just seem happy their kids are much happier with themself. No idea about Jo, but Jo probably gave a speech about how much better things are so ok on their end.

>>149563607
Thanks for the devilary anon! Don't worry, it's pretty good.

>>149565876
Yeah I can see them pondering if the change is a net possitve, what I wonder of whatever was magic or not that made them just accept this completely stranger girl was the same person as their son that quickly. Is this a moomins where no matter what a mother can always recognize their child?

>>149563830
>One thing I consider is that maybe whatever makes people in this town ignore this really big changes and transformation is actually what makes them also so apathetic.
I'd say that combined with some genuinely weird people living there is a pretty fair explanation why Tandy Gardens is like that while sticking to the light tone.
>>149565876
I....never actually thought of it like that. It's still a bit messed up, but they're not dead or anything which is a parent's greatest fear, so it would make sense that this would be preferable.

The black dude to white girl was really wrong though, can we at least agree to that?

>>149566492
Reread
>>149552629
He been imprisoned for days at least, has had all memory of him erased from both family and friends. All records expunged etc.

His choices are die, or be thankful to still be alive and try and make it work.

New thread?