Thread 149645143

So will the sidekick era go down as one of the bigger Marvel failures?

>>149645143 (OP)
What is the point of making a sidekick and not having them be in the book of the character they are the sidekick of? Robin caught on because he was a staple in Batman comics for decades before getting his own solo comic. These Marvel sidekicks were going to inevitably fail when they were just tossed out into their own solo comics with no support.

I genuinely don't understand why there are 5000000000 Spider-people running around and they have nothing to do with Peter or Spider bullshit
Its like they've gone they way of Ubisoft with AssCreed where they need the branding to sell you on a new character

>>149645143 (OP)
I'm no comic expert but 7 issues doesn't seem enough to be giving a new character a chance

>>149645325
well yeah comic books are a dying medium and well past their prime. it’s only downhill from here.

>>149645336
Most new books run till at least 10 issues before deciding it's fate. Spider-Girl must be particularly bad to cut it 3 issues short.

>>149645143 (OP)
There never was a sidekick era, these are just kid characters doing their own things

>>149645143 (OP)
>Fake Slott-made Spider-Girl can't even get to 10 issues.
Mayday still reigns supreme.

>>149645457
It's what Bailey was billed as and this new gen of heroes are supposedly based off his popularity during his introduction. I have no better name for this point in time. It didn't feel like an event but a push for a new status quo.

good, there can only be one

>>149645460
>>149645524
STILLTHEBEST
1998

Turns out nobody likes these shitty kids, they're not even hot teens

>>149645143 (OP)
She's in the X-Men crossover so they haven't given up on the character

>>149645336
Marvel basically wants major sales immediately but they've essentially made it so that the only books that will sell are tentpole characters and events.

>>149645567
I've liked the two issues well enough. The girls are cute but unsurprisingly Marvel got gun shy about a book with loli but is a-ok pandering to gays/women with a shota book that lasted way longer than it should have.

>>149645143 (OP)
They shouldn't have made her into another Spider-Man variant. There is still no explanation for how she got web shooters. I think her Funhouse identity was better.

>>149645143 (OP)
God damn! Already? Like come on but honestly it was expected she's from a side characters side story not much you can do with her plus her powers are broken she has no edge has a happy life she was more interesting the less we knew.

Should have stayed in Spider-Boy comic, would've been remembered more fondly.

>>149645642
Funhouse would have only reached 5 issues.

So is there any actual proof beyond Xitter user RealSpiderFan_69420? Not that I'll be surprised because the book seemed doomed from day 1 but still.

>>149645653
Probably but at least more people would at least tolerate her existence. There are already too many Spider-Man variants in the main universe.

>>149645670
I think the only proof they have is solicits but more get added over time.

We need a book about this girl instead. It would be a shame for a loli with enough balls to karate kick monsters and super villains despite being like 11 and having no powers to get consigned to limbo.

>>149645653
Yeah but then she'd be more likely to pop off and have serious cameos. People would read those 5 issues and be like damn this kid kind of fun when she gets cancelled people would push her more and more. It's happened many times a new hero with no real connections gets axed but because they are unique people tend to remember them better than spider clone number: 253671. She's not even a real spider person either no connection to the "web" thing literally the worst as she's a copy dead and center nothing unique about her even her name

She'll never be remembered if bailey doesn't get another run and she cameos in it. "Spider girl" no one will think of her when it's said even in 6 months after her run ends.

>>149645713
she'll be the long lost daughter of danny rand by the end of her sixth issue

>>149645611
Mutie privilege. But after being touted as the 'next big thing' it's a definite step down to being background fodder.

>>149645336
>The spider-person shit is oversaturated
>Let's put a nutta one in! Worked for Spider-Boy!

>>149645713
Ikr caroline best girl, she would have won if not for Maka's bs powers.

>Maka if it was a fair fight
>>149645739
She's the great white hope, being a blonde martial arts master like her daddy.

>>149645807
Foots

>>149645737
>Shows up to die in a Spider-Man book later, and then another 20 or so has it revealed she made a pact with a demon to be known as a hero by sacrificing a bunch of people

>>149645828
Foots indeed anon


Also kind of sad like 3/8 of the maka drawings on /co/ are of her getting beat kind of telling of how we felt about her

Around every 10 years Marvel tries to introduce a new batch of kid heroes to appeal to young readers, and almost all of them fail.

The last time they tried they thought making the characters replacements for the old heroes was the best way to push the new kids. That didn't work and eventually most of the new young characters like Nova, Chulk, and Riri Williams were pushed to the side as their predecessors came back.

This "sidekick" push spinning out of Spider-Boy is the same thing, but this time Marvel realized trying to make them replacements isn't going to work. They pretended these were new sidekicks, but instead of treating them like sidekicks they pushed them as new standalone heroes.

>>149645950
maybe they should try making new standalone heroes

>>149645950
The X-Men approach of always having a new younger class might be the best. Then even once they are not longer being supported by the original writer and go back into the void, there is a plausible reason to show up later on.

>>149645866
Ah the classic, why I say better if she had her own name because at least then she'd build her own cult following but besides being a cute brown girl she really isn't anything special to /co/

>>149645944
I like her but she NEEDS, REQUIRES, and DESERVES correction.

>>149645986
Introduce a set 20 muties of which maybe only 5 are ones anybody cares about, cancel their generational book and split them up to be on 6 or so x-teams/books running around while the remaining fodder gets decimated or placed in background shots, all for the entire line to be reset back to a single Claremont era X-team?

>>149646063
Exactly.

>>149645982
The problem with that is Marvel doesn't want to put in the effort of building new characters' popularity, so they just bank on making derivatives of old characters. This can be entirely blamed on the current business strategy of constant relaunches and heavily relying on #1 sales boosts. To actually give a new hero a fighting chance at building a fanbase you have 2 options, introduce them in a popular title and have them be a supporting character for a while as they build a fanbase, or launch them in a solo comic and just eat the loses from poor sales for a few years and hope the comic can gain fans over time.

Option 1 is the safest way to do it, but it takes time and effort which is hard when titles have a relaunch and big status quo shake-up every couple of years.

Option 2 is harder, but Marvel keeps going for this approach because it let's them bait collectors and speculators with #1s and first appearances. The issue again is they constantly relaunch the new character's comic until the only people buying it are #1 speculators as the people earnestly trying to give it a chance are whittled away with each relaunch.

>>149645567
but pedos love Spiderboy

>>149646001
Indeed she's quite the brat and just got away with it she deserves it and there is a lot of art of it. I personally agreed with some anons from the other thread that caroline should be the one to do it

>>149645325
Because if Sony or Disney somehow decide to use the new character you created in a movie or cartoon you may get a bit of money.

>>149646397
Character appearances don't pay that much. Like, less than minimum wage even if the movie/show they appear in the background of is of the highest budget and popularity.

>>149645143 (OP)
If anything this just proves that Marvel's "flood the shelves" strategy is no longer an option anymore and that they're in need of serious quality control, especially when all of their "ongoing" series are almost always getting canceled at Issue #10 or less now
Like hate DC's current output all you want, but they clearly must be doing something right if fucking Poison Ivy out of all characters can go from having a 6 issue miniseries that ends up going for 37 issues now

>>149646523
DC, as shitty as everything they're putting out is, seems willing to give books a chance and is willing to keep a book going if it has a consistent audience even if it's not necessarily a large one. Marvel basically wants high sales right out of the gate and if they're not there then the book is axed. They're unwilling to give books time to find their legs or develop an audience because it's easier to just put out a TPB's worth of material then move onto the next thing.

>>149645143 (OP)
Spider-Girl was just a very weird angle to make a book with. Spider-Boy at least seemed to have some kind of idea behind him, even if it was a joke idea of a character, but that was still enough to push his book along. With this Spider-Girl, there just feels like there was absolutely no reason to go with giving her an ongoing, not even a joke. It feels like it's entirely done on a whim, or a tired old suit going "well we had Spider-Boy so it's time for Spider-Girl" without having a single thought in his head on what that'd actually be. It's clear that this aimlessness also extends to the book as a whole, and nobody wants to salvage it or run with it as their own thing; the only thing people have to say about it is Lady Bullseye's big fat fucking tits.

It's a shame, because I think she was okay as a side character, and I think you could write a good story with her having to learn from a fellow semi-rookie like Bailey about how to be a hero, but she definitely has nothing to go with for a solo book (plus she really should've stayed as Funhouse instead)

>>149645143 (OP)
Hardly the worst poochie era.

>>149645143 (OP)
Now that this shit flopped, can she go back to being Funhouse?

>>149647405
>Red Wolf
What a flop

>>149645143 (OP)
She's a spinoff character of a spinoff character. And Spider-Boy isn't exactly a household name. Imagine back in the 90s SPINNING OUT OF THE PAGES OF ANNEX! IT'S ANNEXIA!

>>149645143 (OP)
>canceled after 7 issues
>while maydays run had a 100
BRUTAL

>>149645807
Based draw fag whoever drew this

>>149647476
>create clown loli
>NAH LET'S MAKE HER A SPIDER-PERSON

>>149647476
No, she entered the X-mines with the new bad future event no one's reading, she will always be the fraudulent spider-girl (mugga).

>>149647600
terrible

This DOA series only came into existence because Marvel still think they can convince the people who watch the Spider-Verse films to read the comics. It's also why Spider-Gwen has fully moved over to Earth-616, despite the fact that the three main Spiders from those films each live in their own universes.

>>149647668
It's really funny that when there was a ton of mutants and the X-Men were at their most popular, you could have mutie characters who were allowed to be their own thing or associated with other areas of the MU. Like Firestar, outside of her deal with Emma in the '80s, was never an X-Men character but instead was associated with the Avengers section of the MU. Namor was his own thing and/or a Fantastic Four character. Franklin, of course, had little to nothing to do with the X-Men. Same with Pietro and especially Wanda. Stuff like that. But since House of M, it's gotten to the point where every character who is or might possibly be a mutant gets subsumed into the X-Men and has to be an X-Men character and the only way for them not to be is to retcon away their status as muties.

>>149645143 (OP)
>canceled because the writer got too horny

>>149645143 (OP)
one of them and they will not learn a single thing

>>149647600
Temper looks pretty good. Kinda miss the half and half thing she had going on with her hair though.

Spider-Girl just looks like Anya though.

>>149647523
That's true, but the idiots/editors at Marvel want people to forget Mayday because she's a strong argument for bringing back Peter and MJ's marriage.

>>149645143 (OP)
Having sidekicks in Marvel is a fool's errand because the concept goes against what gives Marvel its identity when compared to DC. Marvel was the original "superhero deconstruction" in terms of grounding capeshit in reality and framing superheroes in a real world context (way before Watchmen or Worm showed up). There are no real sidekicks in Marvel because:

>a "real" teenager would rather be their own hero than play second fiddle to an existing hero
>adult superheroes would be slammed for dragging children into life-or-death situations

Spider-Man is the face of Marvel for a good reason. It's also why X-Men was something inevitable.

Why not all the lolis in the company fight?

>>149645944
>Also kind of sad like 3/8 of the maka drawings on /co/ are of her getting beat
based you mean

>>149647523
Mayday was consistently under threat of cancellation and was announced as being cancelled multiple times. It kept getting walked back because the Mayday fanbase is fucking psychotic and would harass Marvel and go out of their way to trash and sabotage any characters they saw as replacing her until editorial would inevitably walk it back. Quesada basically just got around it by relaunching the book a few times so it'd get more and more irrelevant with each one which made its eventual out and out cancellation much easier because fans would leave with each subsequent relaunch.

The Mayday fanbase is smaller than ever but the ones that are still there are still as deranged and hostile to any character using the Spider-Girl name as they've always been. Hell, they're possibly even worse and more spiteful than they were in the 2000s.

Get rid of Spider-Boy too

>>149648303
Hi Dan.

>>149647600
she looks 20 years older

>>149648303
Meant to say, worse and more hostile because they've combined with the marriage crowd to essentially hold up Mayday as emblematic of everything the feel is right with Spider-Man (married to MJ with a kid) and opposed to everything they hate. Which is annoying because I'm pro-marriage and anti-all this shit they've been doing with Peter's personal life but the reddit/xitter marriage crowd is deranged about it.

They will support a shitty book like Ultimate Spider-Man entirely out of spite for the current line because marriage = good no matter how dull and shitty the actual book is. They've effectively turned Mayday into a marriage martyr for their position too as seen in posts like >>149647955

It's a shame. I liked the MC2, I liked Mayday up to a point (American Dream was the better MC2 character though IMO), I like the marriage. But I have to share my broad position with a bunch of retarded lunatics.

>>149648144
Lolis aren't for fighting each other, they are for fighting alongside gruff older men that's mentoring them. And maybe that girl has a crush on the man but he thinks of her as his daughter.

>>149648303
Dan, get back to work.

>>149645437
10 issues is in fact a mandate so you can get two trades worth of material if this is getting canceled at 7 it must be fucking abysmal

>>149648303
>>149648366
You've gotten less subtle with age, Dan.

>>149648361
I hate Dan's entire Spider-Man run and didn't like his Spider-Boy stuff either. I thought this Spider-Girl series was fine if lacking in something to grab the readers and give it a sort of point because Viking Chick is just an inoffensively pedestrian writer.

Acknowledging how annoying certain fanbases are doesn't mean I'm on the side of Dan, Lowe or any of the other losers who have spent the last 15 years running Spider-Man into the ground. I've just seen Mayday's fans being incredibly annoying and whiny for the past 20+ years. Even the current Jonfags/Super Son pedos are less annoying than Maydayfags who are basically HEAT tier in their singleminded belief that Mayday is the One True Spider-Girl and the only one who should ever have that name.

>>149648430
Mayday is the one, true Spider-Girl. All others are frauds.

You know who's doing a Superman book right now, /co/? Specifically one with Jon in it? You guessed it.

>>149648303
>>149648366
>>149648430
I haven't seen any of what you're describing from those guys. 'Seems like you're just being a drama queen.
>>149648461
Shut up.

>>149645325
>I genuinely don't understand why there are 5000000000 Spider-people running around
There's only a few dozen.

>>149645325
They're trying EVERY SINGLE WAY to replace Peter without pissing the tiny remaining audience. They're failing, that's why we'll see Peter again in the third Insomniac game even though he was meant to be replaced by Niggerman, because nobody likes him

>>149648519
Slott's series feels separate from the other Superman titles but I haven't been reading too much of it to say that with complete confidence. It's like anything happening in it doesn't matter no matter how drastic.

>>149648535
Anya and Slott Girl are inferior parasites trying to leech off of Mayday. This is how it has always been. But they will never be her.

>>149648699
Hey now Anya started off as someone completely different but she got folded into the spiderfamily and robbed of her individuality.

Nobody's gonna remember this bullshit in 10 years.

>>149645524
>there can only be one
That character literally has a clone with all her powers but better.

>>149648699
The discussion surrounding Spider-Girl would be worthwhile if you guys talked positively about her and her series, rather than talk trash about everything else. It's all you guys do most of the time, and the one's who do want to talk nice about her get scared off.

>>149648739
Alpha was fucking big news when he was announced but Slott thought it was better to tell a story about a failed sidekick. He's been kicking himself over that for years.

>>149648785
>Alpha was big news.
Who the hell is Alpha?

>>149648535
Are you too young to remember the absolute tantrum that Maydayfags threw when her book was going to be canceled as Anya was debuting? The entire reason Anya wasn't called Spider-Girl was because she was supposed to be until said tantrum led to Marvel reversing course.

Said Maydayfags include DeFalco himself who then pretty quickly did the least subtle story I've ever seen which involved introducing the MC2 version of Anya as a morally gray character who literally steals May's body and starts fucking Black Tarantula.

Anyway, you can see how Maydayfags are acting ITT and realize that's about normal for them. Like I said, they're Marvel's HEAT.

>>149648578
a few dozen too many

>>149645653
>Funhouse
Her name should have been Copycat; it's childish, just like her.

>>149648366
I used to think corporate greed was the worst thing, but now, thanks to posts from Marvel employees like this, I know that pettiness and pride are worse.

I don't know what's going on in this thread but all I know is that Mayday is the only Spider-Girl that matters

>>149645807
based

>>149645143 (OP)
>So will the sidekick era go down as one of the bigger Marvel failures?
It's been 10 years since ALL NEW ALL DIFFERENT

>>149645950
>Around every 10 years Marvel tries to introduce a new batch of kid heroes to appeal to young readers, and almost all of them fail.
That's because they aren't DOING IT RIGHT.
I mean, look at you're picture: Champions #1, RATED T, for TEENS, meaning "Appropriate for most readers, but parents are advised that they might want to read before or with younger children." - Marvel Comics rating system, Wikipedia

If your book is designed to appeal to kids, and it's rated like every other kind of comic in your catalogue, you aren't doing it right.

Plus said book would most have likely only appeared in comic book shops, places kids aren't likely to go to or be.
If you want a kid to see your book, you're going to have to take it where kids would likely go to, like a toy isle, or the video games, or the candy store, or a book fair, someplace.

>>149647955
JUST FUCKING DO IT! YOU HAVE A MULTIVERSE! PICK ONE AND LET THEM FUCK! CHEEZ-IT FUCKIN' CHRISPS!!

>>149649122
>DC fans get uppity a main hero is turned into a bad guy
>Marvel fans get uppity because of future daughter isn't the only person to be a teenage girl with superpowers

>>149645325
>>149648578
Jamie, pull up the list.

>>149647039
The good ole days
>>149647539
Hexcat proper name on the pic
>>149648296
>>149649349
Based indeed, needs more specifically more with her v best girl Caroline

>>149649388
>he thinks anyone, especially parents, look at ratings
Video games would be dead if ratings mattered to parents.

>>149650335
it's not about the parents looking at the teen rating. It's that the teen rating means contents within the book are "complex" enough that only teens would like it, or that it's only appropriate for teens and older.
that means the book, despite being made with the intention to attract younger readers, doesn't have the appropriate things that younger reader are allowed to read, it has inappropriate content that young readers CAN'T read, and/or, it just has nothing kids WANT to read.

>>149650076
>Spider-Man (Peter)
>Spider-Man (Miles)
>Spider-Man (Miguel) (Note: Currently moved to 616 because reasons)
>Scarlet Spider (Michael) (Note: Dead)
>Scarlet Spider (Van) (Note: Dead)
>Scarlet Spider (Patrick)
>Scarlet Spider (Kaine)
>Chasm
>Spidercide
>Doppelganger
>Shift
>Madame Web (Cassandra) (Note: Dead)
>Madame Web (Julia)
>Spider-Woman (Jessica)
>Spider-Woman (Mattie) (Note: Dead)
>Spider-Woman (Charlotte)
>Veranke
>Green Mamba
>Araña
>Spider-Girl (Gwen Warren, don't worry about it)
>Spider-Girl (Makawalu)
>Spider-Boy
>Silk
>Ghost-Spider (Note: Ghost-Spider has 5 clones that may or may not exist in 616 and may or may not have spider-powers due to her recent fuckery, but 1 is dead)
>Dream-Spider
>Web-Head
>Spider-Sprite
>Itsy Bitsy
>Taran
>Anansi
>The Great Weaver
>The Other
>The Spider Society
>Bride of Nine Spiders (Has spider-powers but somehow no relation to all of the above...probably)
And in dead shitter villains tier, we have
>Spider-Queen and clones
>Selim
>Mindspinner
>The Thousand

>>149650555
Don't forget the Steel Spider. Man. Steel Spider-Man. Hahahahahaha!

>>149648593
>They're failing, that's why we'll see Peter again in the third Insomniac game even though he was meant to be replaced by Niggerman, because nobody likes him

they sideline miles with the story explicitly ending at peters retirement and then resuming with peter back in the saddle for spider-man 3 and you honestly believe that? when did miles have the opportunity to replace peter? he was never given one. anything to make peter the victim i guess despite him being the only main character

>>149650555
Would Deathweb go in dead shitter villains? 2/3rds of them haven't been showing being killed at least.

>>149646469
That's true for Marvel but slightly less true for DC.

>>149650555
Revised version

>Spider-Man (Peter)
>Spider-Man (Miles)
>Spider-Man (Miguel) (Note: Currently moved to 616 because reasons)
>Scarlet Spider (Michael) (Note: Dead)
>Scarlet Spider (Van) (Note: Dead)
>Scarlet Spider (Patrick)
>Scarlet Spider (Kaine)
>Chasm
>Spidercide
>Doppelganger
>Shift
>Arachknight
>Arachknight 2099
>Madame Web (Cassandra) (Note: Dead)
>Madame Web (Julia)
>Spider-Woman (Jessica)
>Spider-Woman (Mattie) (Note: Dead)
>Spider-Woman (Charlotte)
>Veranke
>Green Mamba
>Araña
>Spider-Girl (Gwen Warren, don't worry about it)
>Spider-Girl (Makawalu)
>Spider-Boy
>Boy-Spider
>Silk
>Ghost-Spider (Note: Ghost-Spider has 5 clones that may or may not exist in 616 and may or may not have spider-powers due to her recent fuckery, but 1 is dead)
>Dream-Spider
>Web-Head
>Steel Spider
>Spider-Sprite
>Itsy Bitsy
>Death Web
>Taran
>Anansi
>The Great Weaver
>The Other
>The Spider Society
>Goddess
>Bride of Nine Spiders (Note: Has spider-powers but somehow no relation to all of the above...probably)
And in dead shitter villains tier, we have
>Spider-Queen and clones
>Selim
>Mindspinner
>The Thousand
>Jack
>Guardian
>Spider-X
>Tendril (was killed while being depowered so arguably doesn't count)

God, imagine if this bullshit included Venom-derived symbiotes

>>149645143 (OP)
The one comic I was actually looking forward too and it can't even make it to 12.

>>149651114
They're all alive as of their last appearance.

Are Black Tarantula's powers at all spider-derived in current canon? The list is just supposed to be people that either have spider-powers or are deliberately copying someone that does.

>>149651724
Missing the galactic alliance of spider-men

>>149648785
>Sidekick
This still kills me inside so fucking much
Bailey's story would be 100% better if he started that way and grew into his own.
>This guy doesn't remember me
>Well fuck him then
>Proceeds to prove himself
>Literally defying odds as a homeless child superhero
Bam. That's fucking story. But no.
>Immediately resolves his issues with Peter 3 issues in.
>AND finds his mom in the 5th to 6th issue iirc so he isn't homeless anymore
Wasted. Wasted potentials.

>>149645143 (OP)
>>149645317
>>149645325
Spider-Girl was especially weird since she
1. Has no relation to Spider-Man
2. Her power set is not spider based
3. Is a sidekick to Bullseye

>>149645807
>>149646246
>>149647039
>>149650127
Mainstream be damned, I'm happy these things find their own niche following in this board

>>149652060
Spider-boy was essentially cancelled by issue 3 because at that point Slott had already accepted the DC job. He was given 20 issues regardless of sales, which is probably why Marvel didn't seek out a new writer once Slott left.

>>149648813
Spider-Man had a sidekick named Alpha for like a nanosecond. He was named after the 2 Spider-Man actors even. He was meant to be a foil for Peter, all power no responsibility. It was a big deal until it wasn't. He fucked off to Kansas to learn personal growth or something.

Anyway, we all know Spidey's real sidekick is Hobie.

>>149652126
It's also why the plot kinda just stopped and became about introducing more spin off fodder like Hulkette, Maka, and the generic ninja group.

>>149645143 (OP)
I think most of this random ass sidekick are going to be ignored for 15 years til some hot shot writer thinks he's cleaver bringing these characters back.

>>149652140
Hobie doesn't show up even a 10th of the time needed to qualify as a sidekick.

>>149652140
>Hobie
Man I was looking at a Prowler article and they didn't even try that hard at speculating whether or not Todd was inspired to make Spawn's look from that character. Todd's first sketch of Spawn was in high school and JRJR was only like 4 or 5 years older than him. They focused on Todd actually drawing Prowler during his run and that looking like Spawn when the design itself is probably the result of Todd having Prowler in the back of his mind from back then. I mean during the 80's he must have met JRJR at some point. I wonder if that conversation ever took place.

>>149652077
That's why we all say that she should be back to be Funhouse.

But nooooo they need to make a NEW Spider-girl because of brand.

>>149652474
Would you prefer it be Wolverine?

>>149648362
So does everyone in that panel.

>>149652562
Wolverine might complain that Spider-Man is his sidekick instead.

>>149649338
>hasn’t been used outside of multiverse crap for like a decade
>still hasn’t been beaten as the one true SG
Love to see it

>>149652720
>Wolverine might complain that Spider-Man is his sidekick instead.
And Peter can always throw him off a skyscraper again to settle who the sidekick is.

>marvel trying to create its own teen titans
>fails hard

KWAB

>>149645143 (OP)
>Ethnic young female lead spinning off a better book who's powers are literally "Anything you can do I can do better" who has zero reason to be a spider-person at all.
>Flops fucking immediately while its parent book only stopped because the writer left.
Is anyone surprised? Dan Slott probably had to sacrifice a baby to make Spider-Boy as good or successful as it was and that book was basically constantly matrix-dodging all the shit that makes these suck ass while this dove headfirst into ever bullet.

>>149648519
Why the fuck are Slott and Bendis, 2 of the worst writers in comics both allowed to shit up Spider-Man and Superman?

>>149652793
>thinking that it would happen in the modern comics
LOL

>>149645143 (OP)
>we finally got the rights back to Spider-Boy
>let's try Spider-Girl too
Both shit, and delete Miles too.

>>149652794
It's called X-Men.

>>149652108
Theirs something for everyone, but we can accept caroline is best girl, so she is best one to do it.

>>149652969
Why stop there get rid of them all except Peter and Miguel yes even Ben and Kaine and I say this as a Kaine fan

>>149653062
I'm a Ben and Kaine fan as well. I wouldn't mind if they just kill off Ben and Janine right now and said they were recently made clones that aren't the real ones. Janine was broken out of prison or served her time and then just fucked off to somewhere. Ben never came back as those ashes Slott sucked up with Warren's magic vacuum cleaner was fucking fake and didn't happen. Kaine can go to like another state and just be brought back in a run by a competent and willing writer which is not for a long time because the big 2 are just waiting out LCS's to cease existing. Kaine could just have flashbacks to what happened while he was gone.
But yeah Peter and Miguel if Marvel were competent would be the only two worth keeping around as variants. Maybe some one-shots of variants like Noir, Japanese Spider-Man, etc. would happen occasionally.

>>149645739
If only

>>149649181
There's already a Copycat who I think is now back.

>>149652140
>He fucked off to Kansas to learn personal growth or something.
He moved to Pittsburgh, tried to be more responsible and altruistic but was still just an incompetent fuck up who ultimately was forced to give up being a hero after the mob gave his girlfriend PTSD and threatend to kill his mother if he didn't.

>>149645143 (OP)
I read Spider-Boy and I think it was a really cute a well made comic. I really like the idea of kid superheroes living silly adventures. But yeah, Bailey was the closest this trend ever got to an actually succesful character. I think that's because he had a lot of charm unlike the other proposals.

All this said, can we go back to have a good Power Pack comic? Like the ones made by Gurihiru?

>>149653962
Yeah that and he didn't try to be darker than he was, also mostly just dumb adventures and concepts. I do think the homeless bailey arc was interesting though but again more than anything it helped humanize him but maka doesn't have that and neither do many of the other ones. They are just not peter but bailey at least has a unique origin and intro in fact think limiting his time with spider man allowed him to grow a lot.

Maka is weird as she has a busted power, has no connection to spider people outside of bailey mind fusion, also has a loving mother and grandma but worked for a villain and was killing/maiming people for fun. She basically is kind of a terrible person with no reason being that way other than her obsession to win/be number 1 but that makes her seem more like a asshole since she actively steal other people talent and techiques and hardwork.

She was honestly much better off as a great bratty lowtier villain for bailey or other kid heroes. Maka sounds like a typical rival/bratty arch nemisis in a kid show she's basically like princess morbucks or victoria best.

I'd love a classic power pack but now you made me imagine a spiderboy comic in gurihiru style.

>>149648734
She had one of the best ever Spider superhero costumes before they went generic with her.

I am still super angry she is only brought up when writers want to kill/revive a spider-girl or something.

>>149651724
The Iron Spider costume was used by MVP and his clones for a while during the Initiative years.

>>149645143 (OP)
All of this stuff is just to have another wave of characters that can take over the MCU once they run out of the current ones

>>149654144
>The Iron Spider costume was used by MVP and his clones for a while during the Initiative years.
During which time they called themselves the Scarlet Spiders. Already on the list.

Fun quirk of Marvel superheroing etiquette, since the name was available back then with Kaine and Ben dead at the time, and since Patrick is never mentioned as having retired the name, Kaine's technically using the name without permission. Bit of a faux pas on his part.

>>149645143 (OP)
>Spider-Man now has a sidekick, named Spider-Boy
>Spider-Boy now has a sidekick, named Spider-Girl
>the three of them are literally never in the same room together
>Spider-Man-2 still waiting on his first good comic from the Cuck Chair

I can't imagine being a giant company that almost has a monopoly on the market, literally have a global talent pool in the 10s of 1000s across all cultures and backgrounds...and the best they can do hire hacks that just wanna copy what's already over and over for 50 years.

>>149654418
The worst part is that Spider-Girl could easily be her own character but they want to tie her to Bailey and Spider-Man.
>>the three of them are literally never in the same room together
That is easily the funniest part of all this. Spider-Boy is more of a Daredevil character than a Spider-Man character

>>149651032
You know, besides the fact that Spider-Man having a retirement story by itself is showcase of the devs wanting to get rid of him and Negrales having his own fucking game. Oh yeah and Peter being constantly portrayed in the second game as a weak loser who has to apologize to MJ despite the fact he was innocent and she had been a massive bitch who destroyed his reputation to up her career

>>149645317
>Robin caught on because he was a staple in Batman comics for decades before getting his own solo comic.

Robin had his solo stories published in Star-spangled comics for years in the late 40s, early 50s. Robin was popular from the very beginning, which is why Batman in the period barely ever had solo stories anymore. He literally was already in movie serials just three years later of his debut.

Today nobody gives a shit about sidekicks because readers aren’t small children and even kids themselves don’t know want to be the sidekick, they want to be the hero

>>149645143 (OP)
>>149652077
>>149654418
>>149654469
Marvel really wants Spider-Man have his own version of the Bat-Family but don't want to fully commit to the concept because they want Peter to be young otherwise all the younger heroes would make him old, also Peter has never or barely interacted with most all these spider variants.

There is no market for lolis in mainstream comics unfortunstely. Also Maka should have remained a mesugaki.

>>149645143 (OP)
It was good back when it was only Young Avengers and Avengers Academy, everything after it was a mistake

Stop calling her spider-girl, you are mudding the waters and doing exactly what Slott wants

Pulling Maka's pigtails

>>149655002
this is an english board, use english words

What heroes should get sidekicks?
Daredevil having a deaf kid as a sidekick seems like a fun gimmick.

>>149655025
Nobody knows her actual name.

>>149655002
She should have remained Fun House and been Baileys black cat equivalent.

>>149645342
>well yeah comic books are a dying medium and well past their prime. it’s only downhill from here.
But Japanese comics are very popular, curious.

>>149654469
I mean she really can't her whole concept is pretty bland, she'd have always needed a springboard. Also she was never really bailey's sidekick more his rival which was the only reason /co/ even knows or started wanting art of her. She very much is and was better as a antagonist than she is now as just a "spider person"

>>149648303
They really are the Cassandra Cain fans of Marvel. All of em have a delusional impression of her popularity that ignores history, facts, and reason.

>>149648430
That's because Mayday IS the original Spider-Girl. She has more right to Peter's legacy than any of the shitty clones we have today.

>>149649122
>NOOOO STOP BEING PASSIONATE
You sound like the type of faggot who has a sarcastic comment every time Spidey fans push back against Miles.

>>149655878
Because Japanese comics aren't afraid to be political.

>>149645143 (OP)
The majority of western society is full of pedophiles, what happened?

>>149656702
Carolfags are the Cassandra Cain fags of Marvel.

>>149645689
Issue number 7 is not released until December.

We’ll see in the Age of Revelations event how Maka will look at age 21 as Spider-Girl.

Where my age up bros at?

>>149656792
preview was already posted.

>>149656748
>The main villain is a Spanish old man
What did Oda mean by this?

>>149656521
Thinking like that is why you don't get a comic book ya negative nancy

>>149656735
>I’M PASSIONATE

You’re a loud obnoxious asshole

>>149655878
Because manga is currently cool new thing to people. Give it couple of decades and it’s going to be a boring old thing.

>>149656897
>NOOOO JUST LET MARVEL SHIT IN YOUR MOUTH
Marvel is there to entertain me. If my entertainment is going away or getting worse, I will let them know.

>>149655025
Spider-girl spider-girl spider-girl spider-girl

>>149656913
Manga has been consistently better than Western comics for decades. This isn't new at all.

>>149655002
I don’t think she ever flirted with Bullseye.
They didn’t have a Deathstroke/Terra relationship.

>>149649338
Mayday is replaced by the cute new May Parker in Ultimate Spider-Man.
Mayday is an oldies at this point. Put her to rest.

>>149657061
kill yourself

>>149657061
Honestly kinda agree

>>149657074
Mayday is an old hag.
Her story is done. Let her retire in her .

>>149651724
All this and I can't get Otto.

>>149646246
is this a new variable venom art?

>>149655002
True she doesn't have a good personality or backstory for heroism.
>Ability is literally steal your skills and all knowledge on you and it
>She loves humilating and beating people and winning
>Maka doens't have a tragic backstory to explain this has a loving mother who is very interested in her life and well being
>Worked with bullseye one of the darker villians of marvel, didn't get blackmailed or gaslit she knew what they were doing and loved it
>She actively tried kill or maim people around her, she most likely killed some people off screen working for bullseye for a whole year.

So she's basically just the exact opposite of the main theme of spider man "great power, great responsibility."
>>149655810
Exactly remember some anons in one of the threads agreed. Maka works better as a rival or anti hero partner. Some times she helps with baddies but she isn't a hero as she wants to use her powers for personal gains. She'd been more fun as the devil on bailey's shoulder to christina angel.
>Bailey and Makajoin some contest for prize money
>Bailey knows he's not supposed to use his powers against normal people
>He sees maka just living it up using her powers and even his left and right
>Bailey barely gets through first phase of competiton holding back
>Maka:ahhhhhhh come on bal, I know you can do better than this? You are my only real competition here.
>Bailey:.....m-maka, "Ix-nay on the owers-pay!"
>Maka just shrugs as she does the most obvious show of acrobatic prowess that would be impossible for a normal person. Into the first place position
>Everyone cheers and claps for her
>Maka:See bailey nothing bad, you actually get stuff for being better than everyone else.
>Bailey:b-but....it's w-wrong, we have a unfair advantage with great power comes grea-
>Maka just open and closes her hand and rolls her eyes as if mimicing the boy "great responsibility, blehhh. That's the old guys talking live a little"

>>149657425
>Maka gives bailey a wink and heads off to next part of the competition smug as always
>Bailey was left their ragged from trying his best as she walked off cool calm and pristine being cheered on by everyone as so talented and impressive
>Christina was there as moral support
>Christina: Hey bailey it's ok don't listen to her, you are trying your best
>Bailey had entered the competition to help out F.E.A.S.T and get a little extra cash so christina and him could actually have nice things.
>But Maka had so much she just wanted more, everything in her life was perfect. She just loved seeing people work hard then beating them with no effort
>She was "the prodigy of prodigies" most saw her that way from the outside at least but in reality she was just a self interested brat
>He couldn't let her win but also maybe she was right they were his powers why couldn't he use them the way he wanted?
>In the next round of the competition Maka was breezing through like always. Not even trying to hide her superhuman abilities
>Bailey tried to be a bit more subtle only using his acrobatic skills in small burst to gain better footing and get through the obstacle courses
>He wasn't first place like maka but because of the minor skills he used he made it to 4th
>Everyone was praising him because of this
>Bailey was shocked by this he rarely got to much accolades as spider boy, most still saw him as a monster or freak.
>But something was special about getting praised as bailey briggs as himself
>His shy expression slowly warped into a smirk
>Maka placed her arm around his shoulder leaning into the boy smugly
>Maka:Seeee it's so much better this way bailey, we deserve it. We're special superior they aren't why should we hide it?
>Maybe maka was right
>As bailey and maka went through the competition bailey got less and less self concious about cheating
>Until finally they reached the end of the competition just maka and bailey

>>149657436
>Maka didn't admit it but this is what she was hoping for him verses her
>She wanted a final clash of spider girl v spider boy
>As bailey got ready for the final event Christina finally reached him
>Christina: Bailey I know it's fun and your powers, and maybe I shouldn't pry but you're better than this.
>Bailey felt a pain in his gut he didn't want to disappoint christina and sure it was fun but all those people also wanted the money too
>Bailey:.....I-I'm....s-sorry I'll stop I won't use my powe-
>Christina palmed both sides of bailey's face with her hands and looked at him with a fury and vigor
>Christina: No bailey that's for next time, this round you go out there and you kick her ass!!!
>Bailey was shocked by this but he gave back a smirk "Of course"
>Maka and bailey were lined up for the final bout
>a obstacle course, one on one to the totem anything goes
>Maka was super excited for this to show up her rival in front of everyone it'd be great
>She immediately pounced out at full speed at the sound of the starting gun
>Maka was hopping around and flipping through the obstacles like a bat out of hell
>She was almost half way there when she looked back
>Maka noticed bailey was way behind and going through at a normal pace
>She stopped to a bit irked at him ruining her moment "HEY WHAT ARE YOU DOING!!? I KNOW YOU ARE BETTER THAN THIS!"
>Bailey just smirked up at her she was nettled
>Maka: Fine you've ruined this for me

>>149645143 (OP)
Shame. She was starting to grow on me

>>149657445
>She sprung back into action, beaming down the course
>Maka was so close to her goal she could taste that sweet victory
>Her hand only a feet or two away from the totem to another notch in her belt
>Maka: Sad you didn't even try bals guess it's just all about me and my victo-
>Before she could finish her thought
>Bailey had locked in, he took off at max speed down the course leaping from vantage point to vantage point
>All in that brief moment of her euphoria of another victory, bailey had snatched it away
>Her fingers barely graced the totem before bailey had taken it for himself
>Maka couldn't believe it
>She was now on her knees from falling over from the missed goal
>Maka: B.....but y...you how did you, YOU CHEATED!!!
>Bailey smugly waved the trophy at her "Ah come on, maka didn't you say it's fair to use our skills"
>Maka started fuming tears forming in her eyes "B-but I-I w......worked so hard I was so close. It's not fair"
>Bailey was going to say more but decided to let her have time to think about why she felt that way

>>149657483
She'll become a x-men or when slott invetiable fucks up the superman thing bailey will be back and so will she

>>149656882
Because I think making ever slightly popular side character a hero is bad? Honestly I said she can work just not if you try to replace everything that makes her unique and turn her into yet another good spider person.

>>149657483
This rumor is completely unsubstantiated

>>149650555
>>149651724
What happened to the original future Spider-Girl again?

>>149657660
Unsubstantiated but also isn’t she gonna be in the big mutie event maybe her book is gonna be on pause?

>>149657690
She became Spider-Woman.

>>149645143 (OP)
Spider-Man and his overall setup is everything women hate in fiction. There are books about this phenomenon and how it’s influenced what gets published for decades now. Women want group dynamics, found families, comfy settings like Hogwarts. Women hate lone wolf characters.
They’re still trying to make superhero comics (and movies) appeal to women because women are most of the customer for literally everything now and they have to.
This is why you have this weird pivot into superfamilies and batfamilies and spiderfamilies.

>>149658312
I dunno about that. Don't a bunch like MJ, Felicia, Spider-Girl, Bendis Ultimate, and current Ultimate?
I mean I don't know if I see women enjoying old Spider-Man books but they definitely like Venom. I imagine the 80's is the farthest back they are willing to go.
Besides Venom, White Rabbit, and Black Cat, I imagine Shocker and maybe Sandman would be their favorites of the villains. It did surprise me that only until the 90's did they start creating a more substantial push for female villains.
She-Venom is best waifu.

>>149657690
>What happened to the original future Spider-Girl again?
That list is just 616 Spiders.

Honestly what even is the point of Spider-Verse nonsense? They have Spider-Verse at home.

>>149656702
Cass was actively fucked over by an editor who hated her. Mayday kept getting lifelines and was basically left untouched until the point where there was no more justification for keeping her books going.

>>149656792
But that takes away the entire appeal.

>>149648593
Dumbass literally when the game came out and everyone was crying about Miles, both Insomniac and Yuri Lowenthal said Peter was still the main character and Peter literally says "Okay, breaks over" when you do the post-game content. Even with the ending Peter makes it obvious he's only going to be gone temporarily.
When did everyone suddenly become like /v/ and start crying about games they don't play

>>149652927
To be fair even in their first conflict almost 40 years ago Wolverine won because he knows Spider-Man holds back too much

>>149654675
Nigger she wrote the article because Peter was letting the symbiote turn him into a dickhead, he did that himself
You obviously didn't play the game and just parrot what /v/ says

>>149659715
New to racism, anon?

>>149654055

There's also the New Champions which I read when Spider-Finished. The desigsn are cool but their personalities are almost nothing burguers. And now that series is also canceled, figures.

>I'd love a classic power pack but now you made me imagine a spiderboy comic in gurihiru style.

If only

>>149648144
I had thought the same thing, anon.

>>149660612
ANNIEEE ToT

>>149657061
May is the cutest.

>>149660612
I gonna need more clones...

>>149661274
What would a fighting game be without cloned characters?

Also, this is an all-loli cast, no shotas. That would be way too gay

>>149661568
Bailey is the prize to the Loli Champion

>>149648362
Probably because she is. It’s a “bad future” story.

>Fake spider-girl is cast out
>Mayday still has no new material

>>149660612
Who’s the blonde girl above Peni, and the redhead next to her??

>>149660612
also, who’s that in the bottom right??

If Marvel was smart they'd have Maka, N'Kalla, Hulkette and Caroline on a team together.

>>149645143 (OP)
shame, brown bratty loli was based desu
shouldn't have made her a sp*der person tho

We need art of Doctor Tramma examining and studying her.

>>149662414
If Marvel was smart, they'd have Kaine and Bride of Nine Spiders on a team together.
>Please stop talking to my chest.

>>149657061
May hasn't been relevant to the book since Peter designed the look of his costume. You lost, pedo

>>149660612
The x-girls aren’t cunny they’re 16 at youngest 18 at oldest

>>149645950
You know how people think Captain Kirk from Star Trek is a sex machine when generally he was a level headed good leader so the reboot movie by J.J. Abrams has him fucking an Orion girl at Starfleet Academy? People get weird skewed perceptions of characters not based on actual reality.

People have this perception that Spider-Man, the most popular Marvel character, was a high schooler for a large proportion of his run. Spider-Man left high school in The Amazing Spider-Man #28 (1965) and college in The Amazing Spider-Man #185 (1978). He's been a young adult for most of his existence. And people connected with that period of his life the most. Even the 90s animated series had him in college.

But this perception persists that he was super young. So Bendis does Ultimate Spider-Man and we get high school Peter for hundred issues until he dies. He never graduates. Each adaptation stretched out Peter in High School. Raimi he leaves after the first act, Amazing he leaves after the first movie, MCU he leaves after three movies!

Marvel and editorial have become transfixed that the audience need a perpetual Peter Pan superhero, a never ending child, repeating the same Spider-Man archetype even though people liked Spider-Man as a young adult and not a child. And to top it off, all the well documented shit they've done to Peter including Brand New Day was part of this shitty perception. Only know they've decided Miles, multiverse and spin off characters is their get out of jail free card for never ending Peter Pan Spider-Man archetype superheroes who can never get old letter alone never get married.

>>149664457
>and college in The Amazing Spider-Man #185 (1978)
Incorrect, he failed to graduated in that issue because he was missing a credit. He eventually graduates but becomes a grad student so he's still in school, then quits in ASM #243, resumes going back to school in ASM #301 and then just... kind of stops somewhere along the way until Ock finishes Peter's thesis in Superior.

>>149655247
It's Gabi Braun

>>149664792
Oops yeah, you're right. My general main point is still: he wasn't a high schooler for that long. But Marvel focuses on kid heroes in part because they think he was.

>>149662338
Charade (Chloe) from Marvel's Future Avengers and May Parker from Dark Ages
>>149662400
Hope Summers

>>149645143 (OP)
Did she ever get any funny and cute edits of her comics like Moon girl did?

>>149652077
>3. Is a sidekick to Bullseye
Excuse me? Why would Bullseye need a sidekick, and who would let him anywhere near an unsupervised little girl?

>>149652794
I wouldn't call them a household name but Champions had a decent 5 year run.

>>149664954
what's the context of this pic? what did she do wrong?

>>149645524
>>149645620
>marywhorekeks
not even once

>>149665130
Put some garbage on her arm to make it looks like Cable's metal arm. Which she didn't realize is from a virus that he has to actively keep from killing him.

>>149664828
The perception of him being in high school is due almost entirely to the first Raimi film. Every other adaptation prior to that had him as a young adult and him being a student at ESU is a major part of the entirety of TAS. But the Raimi film, for obvious reasons, was more widely popular which meant other adaptations started using the high school setting.

The biggest issue is that Maka in Spider-Boy and Maka in her own series feel like completely different characters. Was her mother even around in Spider-Boy for instance? Her personality is way more humble and less bratty too. It feels like Marvel had the idea to do a Spider-Girl series similar to Spider-Boy and came up with the broad concept (girl who can copy powers accidentally permanently copies spider abilities) but then Slott did his own version and the writer of the current series did hers and neither was in communication with one another as to what they were doing and the Spider-Girl writer (understandably since it's Slott) never actually read Spider-Boy. So her personality and living situation are totally different and she has generic spider powers (I assume her webs are intended to be organic and not webshooters) and not Bailey's variant, etc.

>>149666072
I disagree, the perception clearly existed before Raimi. He leaves High School after like the first act in the Raimi film. Also Ultimate Spiderman began being published before the movie came out. Subsequent cartoons all place him younger and like I said, films post Raimi all extended the High School period. I think 90s had a few comics that were a bit nostalgic for younger Spider-Man like Untold Tales of Spider-Man.

I just think people thought he was a kid for longer rather than young adult, in part because he was pushed as their younger hero and especially because of how much kids identified with him. This perception absolutely drives Marvel to keep trying with kid heroes.

>>149665024
>who would let him anywhere near an unsupervised little girl
what part of "supervillain" doesn't register with you?

>>149665255
>Polish Gwenfags.
Not even once.

>>149666173
I could buy USM playing a part in it but I don't know how anyone could have that impression based on anything else because in virtually every other piece of outside media he was in college. I'm not sure about '67 but that's entirely because his life outside of the Bugle is barely ever touched on. But TAS would have been the biggest exposure for the character prior to the movies and, again, he's an ESU student and ESU as a setting and its cast are prevelant throughout the entire series. Prior to the early 2000s, young adult Peter was the default portrayal of him.

>>149645524
based

>>149645950
yeah

>>149664954
Why are big gruff fathers and cute little daughters such a good combination in comics?

>>149666421
If you read my post above I mention how Captain Kirk is thought of as a sex machine even though the character isn't that in Star Trek TOS or the movies. But in the reboot movie he slept with a green Orion girl, as if Abrams thought he was like that. Pop culture perceptions of a character isn't the same as how that character actually is. One of the most famous TOS moments is Kirk kissing Uhura but contextually he was being compelled to.

Untold Tales of Spider-Man was a series in the 90s from 95-97 about a younger Peter Parker with stories happening back in the original times. In the early 00s we had Loeb/Sale do Spider-Man Blue which looks back on Gwen Stacey. Talking Gwen Stacey, comic fans have a certain perception of her that equally doesn't match how she was in a bunch of comics. What I'm trying to say here is people are seeing these characters through prisms of perception that aren't always in keeping with who they were on the page.

Now when these perceptions become all encompassing companies, equally full of people who don't necessarily read the source material, play up to those perceptions. It's like bubbles of thought, like modern social media bubbles. Marvel are trapped in a bubble trying to replicate something they think exists but never quite did, because they think they are copying Spider-Man with all these newer heroes but what they are doing is misunderstanding what people liked about the character because of their skewed perceptions.

>>149664954
Why does she look like some anime loli in a classic dystopian manga?

>>149657660
I haven't looked into it, but I saw something about the solicitation for her first trade being updated to include all seven announced issues, which I assume is the reason some people think the book will end there.

>>149645807
>Ikr caroline best girl
I can agree with this. Although the redhead is cute too.

>>149665002
She’s only had 2 issues so far

>>149664289
What’s the age cap, then??

>>149656702
>>149658890
Case in point.

>>149667377
Well, here's hoping someone makes something good from them.

>>149668047
It's no secret or rumor that DiDio hated Cass when he was always open about his dislike of the '90s legacy characters (and Dick and Wally) because they either weren't the characters from his youth, weren't the characters used in outside media, or made characters like Bruce and Clark older. They'd teased Barbara getting cured a few times under his tenure then used the New 52 as an excuse to do it with DiDio outright saying Babs had to be Batgirl because she's always Batgirl outside of the comics and Bryan Q. Miller saying that he wanted to use her in his Batgirl run (given that she was Steph's best friend) and got refused. Batgirl was also pretty consistently in the 25-30k sales range throughout its run so it's not like it was selling like shit, it was more or less above what would have typically been the cancellation line for Marvel and DC back in the 2000s (which was roughly around 20k).

This series can't die without dedicating an entire issue to the adventures of the Karatie Kuties, Masters of Shotokunny.

>>149658890
>no point
bruh she sells better than any other spider-woman. What's the point in endlessly continuing captain marvel? No one fucking cares

Mayday is a horrible name and everyone should make fun of it

>For unknown reason, Maka seemingly still retained some of the spider-powers she copied from Spider-Boy.
Wow...it's shit!

>>149668727
I only care about Best girl, the rest are npcs in comparison

Though that red haired girl is cute too, but looks a bit to much like ultimate mayday

>>149668903
Not unknown it was made a thing her psychy is interconnected with bailey because of the whole deleted from existence then brought back all tangled up. So basically looked into the abyss unintentionally, and is stuck with bailey in her mind. So she can't copy bailey again but innately has his powers and knowledge

>>149668734
For the hell of it I actually went through 2005 when both Anya's and Maydays books were running to see the sales. They were basically around even until about 6 months in when Arana slipped below which was about the same time it missed a month (and issue 2 had missed February already leading to 2 and 3 in March) though Avery being a shit writer likely didn't help. Spider-Girl was pretty much a consistent 18-19k while Arana was doing 20kish until the delay.

For the hell of it, both of them got stomped by New X-Men which was a consistently in the 35k range and Runaways v2 was good for about 25k once the new series bump faded.

>>149669056
Also double for the hell of it, the Yost/Kyle X-23 mini was selling over 50k per issue which I assume was part of the impetus for booting DeFilippis and Weir off of New X-Men and replacing them with Yost/Kyle. First issue of their run did 53,000. The very next issue was 43,000 which is more or less what the House of M tie-ins sold. By June 2006 (so around 6 months in) it was down to 39,000 and a year in it was 37,000. The last pre-HoM issue for the original writers was #15 (June 2005) at 34,000. In other words, the sales bump from was basically negligible and within half a year it was about back to where it had been selling under the previous writers. Which meant that booting them and slaughtering most of the characters was senselsss, retarded and offered no actual benefit because the sales were consistent no matter who was writing it or what kinds of stories they were doing.

Which on one hand is bad but it speaks to how loyal the fans of those characters were too that they stuck with it in respectable numbers for what was (mistakenly) seemingly seen as a failing book

>>149645950
>waid and ramos
And who was that supposed to appeal to? The shittiest artist in mainstream comic books and some guy whose last good comic was the flash THRITY FUCKING YEARS AGO

>>149647476
This is so better that I don't know how they thought of changing it.

>>149668908
My terrible MS Paint skills

>>149652077
What in the goddamn

>>149654707
lol

>>149668368
ToT

Does Marvel really think it's a good idea to have multiple legacy heroes while the original is still around? Wouldn't that just split the fanbase or outright make them hate each other?

>>149670573
>Wouldn't that just split the fanbase or outright make them hate each other?
'Already happened.

>>149670410
I agree

>149665255
repost this image to ward off evil Polish cuckfags and Gwenpedo rapists

>>149670573
They are trying to recreate what DC has been doing with their heroes.

>>149668908
>I only care about Best girl, the rest are npcs in comparison
That's why they need more characterization.

>>149673329
Total failure and disinterest? No one knows the batfamily or flashfamily(?). Even Green Lanterns are hardly recognized.

>>149670573
They just want everything to be a franchise. The point isn't to have people buy the books but to introduce characters in the comics that can be used in cartoons, movies and shows.

>>149669475
Said terrible skills didn't even notice so good job anon. What font is that by the way?
>>149673379
True, especially her "friend" she gets introduce but has the worst design of all the karate girls then proceeds to do less than Caroline. I don't even remember her name.

Still can't get over she was able to kick away a monster man that could lift up another grown man with ease, and she was more focused on it being a illegal kick. How is she the bad guy again? she literally trains hard and studies while maka basically just cheats and steals/mind reads people.

>>149673877
>What font is that by the way?
I have no idea, I just cut and pasted shit like a hostage note.

>>149674128
Nice and well good job kidnapper anon kek. We need more good edits saw some fun ones of spider boy recently

>>149673877
If there is not one instance of her calling Maka "Baka" I will be severely disappointed.

>>149673584
>No one knows the batfamily or flashfamily(?)
I disagree with you on the batfamily.

>>149674599
Eh it wouldn't fit since she's not asian, though can see how the joke works just wouldn't translate to most readers since knowing what baka means is pretty weeby

>>149675552
She's a kid taking a Japanese martial art where they already use words like "senpai" and "sensei" so calling her Baka instead of Idiot (and playing on her name) would be cute. And funny.

>>149665099
I thought the new warriors were marvels teen titans equivalent

>>149676469
Marvel's Teen Titans equivalent was New Mutants. The other ones they made afterwards never really had the same staying power. A big part of that is because DC had a glut of teen sidekicks and shit while Marvel never did because Stan largely hated them so any teen characters introduced tended to be solo ones in the style of Spider-Man.

>>149645143 (OP)
Marvel has DEFINITELY had bigger failures lmao

>>149677916
Name 1 from the past 2 decades, because this shit was stillborn. At least those internet gas had the volatility of Covid / the Pandemic to blame for their axeing.

>>149678232
Spider-Gwen, Miles and Kamala are characters who couldn't sell water to a man on fire but they keep getting chances that nobody else does. Hell this year alone you have Weapon X-Men which only made it 5 issues. Maka and this book are mostly getting shit because of butthurt Spider-Fags and Maydayfags. It's annoying because I mostly agree with the Spider-Fags in their hatred of the current stuff and Lowe but they act like such unhinged cunts that I don't want to.

>>149678467
>salty about miles being popular with casuals while nobody cares about spider-girl-but-not-really-a-spider-character getting her book cancelled this fast to the surprise of nobody
I love it when you people seethe and don't even try to hide it.

>>149675384
OK, ask someone you know to name them. Hell, nevermind the latest additions, ask someone to tell the fucking Robins apart.

>>149645143 (OP)
y'know I've seen a few people react to this

but there's NO source for it. The guy saying this isn't some insider or anything, are they? Does everyone just want to skip the most important part of VERIFYING info?

>>149676180
True, though as someone that took those classes little stuff like that was just common and more for hierarchy structure but would be more open to learn more japanese especially since she is a over achiever. Honestly that is the perfect rival for maka a girl who can just instantly become talented/learn a skill vs a over achiever who works her ass off for every win.
>>149678541
More than likely it's just a limited run, or someone checked one of the comic queues and saw their is no mention of her after issue 7. Most likely meaning cancelled or a conclusion, but think they do bank a lot on how well your first two books do. So if her books didn't hit a medium number then she would be on the chopping block and everyone knows first issues sell the best.

Honestly to be expected she’s a spinoff of a spinoff character and people already don’t like spider-boy

>>149678670
>don’t like spider-boy
Whoa there! bailey's cool

>>149678541
The guy's "source" is nothing is a fucking Amazon description for a TPB that hasn't even been solicited yet saying it collects #1-7. He's literally just a retarded marriage loon that, from looking at his xitter, likely hates any piece of Spider-Man media that he feels is "attacking" marriage fans which means this Spider-Girl book is evil because Mayday is the TRUE AND HONEST Spider-Girl (because that means Peter and MJ are married).

>>149678595
>someone checked one of the comic queues and saw their is no mention of her after issue 7
Not really possible as the October solicts only came out last week and are at issue 5. Like I said, the source is some retarded (and ESL) marriage nutjob/MJfag seeing an Amazon listing for a TPB that hasn't even been solicited and has a release date listed as March 2026 (so almost a year from now). These types of people are embarassing because I do agree that the state of Spider-Man is bad right now but they don't ACTUALLY care about it, they're just shippers who are mad that their ship isn't launching right now. He (and they) want this book to fail because Spider-Girl can only be Mayday and she can only be Mayday because it validates their Peter/MJ ship, whether or not they like the character is completely irrelevant to them (and chances are most of them have never actually read the MC2 comics).

I honestly don't know what's caused this. Did Paul really break that many brains? I swear these shipping war nutjobs didn't actually exist until Gwenschizo started gaining prominence and maybe they're just a response to him (because Gwenschizo is known outside of 4chan too).

>>149678716
He is but honestly people were already wishing on his downfall because of slott and being another spider person

>>149678541
I'd be surprised if it isn't cancelled. Every issue past 7 will be a surprise.

>>149679080
I fear her inclusion in Age of Revelation means she got greenlighted as a pet mugga, meaning she's not going anywhere no matter how bad she fails.

>>149646145
>o actually give a new hero a fighting chance at building a fanbase you have 2 options, introduce them in a popular title and have them be a supporting character for a while as they build a fanbase
that's what mackay did with Hunter's Moon in Moon Knight and it unironically worked out great.
everything about Hunter's Moon could have gone horribly and been a dogshit blatant pandering attempt at replacing the character or forcing a new "diverse" legacy, but it didn't because he was actually introduced organically and stuck around to be developed as part of Moon Knight's supporting cast.
>He's brown because he's LITERALLY an Egyptian man from Egypt who lived in Khonshu's historical holy city, and was made a Fist of Khonshu after being murdered by vampires near one of Khonshu's ancient temples.
>Multiple people bearing the mantle of Moon Knight has been a thing since day 1 so it's not jarring, he's a thousands of years old egyptian god who's had many bear the mantle over the years
>he's not a replacement for Marc, he's a holy brother serving the same god
>he's not a 1:1 copy of moon knight's personality, or an attempt at an """"upgrade"""" like Miles, while Marc is uneasy about his service to Khonshu, Badr is a zealot. He's a true believer and completely devoted to Khonshu, even the unsavory aspects
>He's a doctor and healer to contrast Marc as a mercenary
>he's written to genuinely care about marc like a brother and views his duty as holy
>moon knight is still the protagonist and leader of the midnight mission, not relegated to side character in his own book
thank god mackay is actually good at his job and understands that a supporting cast's job is to actually support the hero and not be a royalties-bait attempt at shoving in new replacements for future writers to trot out

>>149679251
I'd like to see what he could do on Spider-Man but with Lowe around I don't know if that would actually work. I also get the impression he'd rather be writing books with less of a spotlight on them where he has more freedom to use the characters he wants and develop them how he wants.

>>149679177
I'm talking about her series, not her specifically. Comics like hers don't last long. I still don't get how got approved in the first place.

>>149679037
I can see this, and will admit I started the same but the kid grew on me.
>>149679177
Damn girl already has a easy parachute, forgot she's a mutie

>>149678831
I just hate paul because he sucks but could be honestly like with the reveal she'd be the spider girl just assumed it was insider info or something. But really think she'll make it to 10 maybe she'll do half of what bailey did probably. I'd be shocked if she even went to 15, she very much was better in his story and he was a rare hit for the concept and got tons of hate early on. Maybe maka will get better but spider boy was already good off the start while maka is boring and just ok. An many are giving her a chance unlike with bailey because, A. girl B. bailey so want to transfer to something else. C. brown girl hero. She should be a /co/ success but most just don't care as she is boring asf, her life has no edge or complexity to it.

But yeah can't understand mjfags in modern day, I've never been super into her and I grew up on the good mj.

>>149680017
She needs to retain the arrogance she had when she was introduced in Spider-Boy. You can kind of see it in this page, specifically the panel where she says she knows she shouldn't use her powers but starts going on about "what if I lose?" She knows her perfection and accomplishments are basically the result of cheating but has built up her entire identity based around the idea that she's perfect and can do anything that she has to keep going with it or else her sense of self will crumble. I think that's an entirely interesting character hook, especially with a younger kid. She's not a wholesome flufferino cinnamon roll but a character who's both arrogant and well-meaning and even if she's trying to be a hero is using her power irresponsibly and setting herself up for failure. All that needs to be done is to lean into that more, especially if Caorline (who I'm guessing is intended to be her Flash Thompson) is also the one who's earning her accomplishments through real talent, and actual hard work and doing things fair and square.

It's a nice spin on the arrogance of early Peter and his relationship with his peers... but the writing talent in moder comics just seems to not be there enough to actually put it together. Likewise Marvel's current thing of every book having ten issues to get sales or it's axed in a slumping environment where comics are expensive and peoples' money isn't going as far means the a book like Spider-Girl, or almost any new book starring a lower tier or new character, is fighting an almost Sisyphean uphill battle.

>>149676860
>A big part of that is because DC had a glut of teen sidekicks and shit while Marvel never did because Stan largely hated them so any teen characters introduced tended to be solo ones in the style of Spider-Man.
And that's a good thing because teen sidekicks make heroes look like fucking sociopaths.

>>149680473
I mean ffs, look at the X-Men. Or Batman.

>>149680473
> teen sidekicks make heroes look like fucking sociopaths.
As if they already aren’t?

>>149680473
>And that's a good thing because teen sidekicks make heroes look like fucking sociopaths.
That's more or less why Stan hated them. He thought that heroes putting kids in danger like that made them look irresponsible. But the point of sidekicks was to give someone for the kids to connect with and it worked at least back in the Golden Age.

>>149680243
Pretty much this, she is being treated as just another spider person but the fun of her is she's a bit of a schizo/dick. I think biggest thing is she's such a 180 of what made her interesting. She was a evil little girl who had no reason for it, she just liked winning so much she joined a murderer and tried to kill two heroes. Maka has been with Bulleyes for 2 years, she 100% has a body or two under her belt and the fact she did all that with a loving mother no real struggles could be interesting but instead now that she's good makes her look like a hypocrite/schizo. As you said best to lean into her having a massive ego not being a scared little girl who wants "friends" maka in spider boy came off confident and self interested it shouldn't be she can't make friends it should be she has to many hanger ons and can't build genuine connections or most are fake friends but because of her overconfidence and perfection they usually secretly make fun of her or hate her. Then as you said caroline could be the closest to a real "friend" she can have as caroline seems honest to a fault with her trash comment and someone who won't take bs or ego lightly. She has her own but it's the opposite of maka it's a ego earned through hard work diligence and confidence not one made from theft, faking and lies. Caroline also is humble and honorable, shown by how felt bad for using a illegal kick even in a life or death situation.


she is so self interested but realizes she's made up of tons of other peoples selves and has no talent or uniqueness of her own. Like does she like anything everything she does she just walks into but can you truly enjoy being great at something without the process of sucking at it to enjoy it.

Think could be fun to treat her more as a anti hero or more well gray character the opposite of a usual spider man esque character. But have the whole pride cometh before the fall moment hopefully given by Caroline.

>>149645317
>Robin caught on because he was a staple in Batman comics for decades before getting his own solo comic.
Dick was the headliner and main draw of Star Spangled Comics starting in 1947 until the comic was finally cancelled in 1952.

Fun fact: It's because of that Dick actually shows up more in the golden age era of comics than Batman does, because Dick showed up in every comic Batman did but Batman wasn't in all of Dick's stories in Star Spangled Comics.

>>149681591
Like I said before, it feels like editorial came up with the base concept of Maka and wantedto do a book about her and had Slott use his book to introducer her. But it also feels like there was no communication at all between Slott, Groenbekk and editorial so Slott and Groenbekk wound up essentially making two different characters sharing a name, design and basic power, not even agreeing on what spider powers she copied.

>>149680243
>I think that's an entirely interesting character hook, especially with a younger kid. She's not a wholesome flufferino cinnamon roll but a character who's both arrogant and well-meaning and even if she's trying to be a hero is using her power irresponsibly and setting herself up for failure.
Agreed 100%. It's crazy how writers seem almost willingly blind to the timeless tactic of writing a character around a core flaw with rivals and enemies working as foils.

It's why Spidey worked so great from the start. The vast majority of his rogue's gallery are either fellow geniuses or fellow victims of accidents that turn them into freaks, but who unlike him decided to lash out against society or abuse their new abilities, something Peter himself very nearly did himself. Similarly, I adored reading 2099 and seeing how rich asshole Miguel was forced by circumstance to interact and later protect the filthy dregs of society he looked down on, and facing the uglyness of the social class he rubbed shoulders with. To this day I still remember that random fucking Thor cosplayer. You wouldn't get it.

It's why I can't really latch onto the likes of Silk or Miles. Maybe it's different in newer comics since I don't bother with them anymore, but I never found that kind of character work put into them.

Maka's diligent rival who keeps eating dirt is a good start. You can do similar things with joke villains that she dominates but keep persevering until they manage the one win to humble her, or in the opposite side of the spectrum, some nasty villain that achieves a frustrating amount of success while coursing through life with an amazing power, and who breaks like a baby the instant they lose access to said powers, slapping her in the face with her own reflection. The fact she straight up gets a first class view of their headspace with her power is perfect for this.

The most surprising thing about this is that a psychopathic mass murderer who doesn't give a shit about human life actually has a little girl sidekick.
Will Marvel give Sabertooth and Carnage a loli too?

>>149682609
Cletus might do it for the meme, at least for a while before getting bored and gutting the kid (unless said kid is as fucked up as him.) As for Bullseye, I understood it as him investing an atrocious amount of time grooming a sidekick exclusively to get back at Daredevil over a petty slight, which is somehow not that hard to believe.

I'm more surprised that Bullseye had a kid in Spider-Man cosplay for a good while and Peter never heard a peep about it. People really are treating the Spider-Man name and look like it's public domain, they don't even associate them with the original person anymore.

>>149681869
Yeah sounds like it, she literally stole the power of the webless wonder but has web shooters lol. Also could be more like hulkette where I think it was said she was a blank slate and left for others to play with. So we might see a hulkette run one of these days just slott only cares about what he cares about why he also threw bailey away for a crack at ruini-.....writing superman.
>>149681929
Yes this exactly, but it ironically makes her worse as she already did so much fucked up stuff so her having a perfect life makes her come off like a dick. Why in my green I wrote her as a bit like characters like princess morbucks and the likes a brat. As what else can she be she literally has the perfect power and wants to humilate and abuse others while having a perfect life as well. I think as said she either needs to get her flaw emphasized or be less of a hero and more of a bit of a problem herself.

Yeah, why many say only 2099 and the og count to them. Both were pretty freaking great, but think as you said just a rogue gallery that she has good foil relationship or mirror of life too. Maybe she meets a homeless mutant girl who steals powers or appearances, so she can never be perfect without hurting others and has nothing but maka has it all could humble her or make her appreciate her life more and have a rival who temporarily weakens or even steals her powers which forces her to be more creative or try and weave through all the skills she's gained to win.

I feel silk lives off being girl, and really has nothing of interest she's not the worst by any means but not great either. Miles is just shit but ok at his best but mostly bad as unlike bailey his whole series is showing up peter or being the better him which is why he has like 100 different powers.

True though kind of want maka to be the one to lose and be the baby. She kind of never fully got humbled in spider boy and seeing she's basically the same kind of sucks, hope caroline can pull out a win.

>>149681929
>It's why I can't really latch onto the likes of Silk or Miles. Maybe it's different in newer comics since I don't bother with them anymore, but I never found that kind of character work put into them.
The issue is that the characters just exist for the sake of having characters. Writers seem to do very little thinking of how other supporting cast members, villains, etc. play off of, reflect or oppose the central character. Not everything has to mirror the main character but there's still a core theme that can run through the stories.

Maka, just based on what she was in Spider-Boy, is an incredibly easy high concept: "Great power, great responsibility, greater arrogance." She has power, she sees she has the responsibility to use that power for good, but she's also an arrogant and snotty brat who thinks she's Little Miss Perfect which affects how she acts as a hero. She thus will need to learn humility in order to be a better hero but in true Marvel fashion, her personality flaws are always going to be there as a hindrance so she can improve bit by bit but without making her 180 into generic hero girl after 6 issues. The ol' Maka Luck or something: she makes a friend and they agree to hang out but Spider-Girling means she leaves her friend hanging and now her friend is mad and she didn't know why she tried hanging out with a haughty snob like Maka which just makes Maka mad because "Well I'm being a hero but of course some NORMAL person just wouldn't get it, UGH!" Like this shit isn't hard if you put a little bit of thought into it.

Honestly, the Bullseye thing was incredibly stupid in hindsight. She should have just been what she was before Bullseye took her in and it's a chance encounter with (and copying) Bailey or some other Spider-Person that causes her to go "Hey, I should be a hero too because I've got these powers and I'm so great so it should be a cinch for me."

>>149660612
Who is the pink haired one above Hulkette and the two on her right?

>>149682609
>Will Marvel give Sabertooth and Carnage a loli too?
I hope so!

>>149683883
If Wolverine gets to have a teen girl clone, Sabretooth gets to have a loli clone.

>>149645143 (OP)
Due to New Champions incompetence, perhaps. A silly/fun book with young heroes in the vein of Marvel Adventures Power Pack or 90s Young Justice would have been kino. Instead we got something that felt mandatory, throwing together the results of artists reading "sidekicks like Spider-Boy" and fucking it up by making characters 6 or so years older than him.

>>149665024
To troll Daredevil. He saw her powers and went "lol, I can use this kid to troll Daredevil."

Bump

The inherent problem with the new wave of sidekick characters is that the only acceptable way to use them is as fodder for children's books. The instant Bailey or Maka enter the wider world of Marvel, they're going to get violently killed in the next big event.

>>149685674
I think Marvel is really fucking up by not doing kid character focused books. Bring back the Two-in-One but for teens/sidekicks and compress the stories for one-and-done missions or 2 part arcs.
Let people slowly learn the characters and grow to like them.

>>149685674
It does bring up the image of Marvel just rushing to fatten up these kids like cattle so they can quickly take them to the slaughterhouse that is event books. The whole idea being that the characters are made to be sacrificed for drama at an industrial level, so things like proper development are secondary to the pace of creating them and getting them ready for death.

>>149645143 (OP)
When is copying video game characters era coming. There so much to steal from just from fighting games alone.

Where’s Arcade when you need him?

>>149645143 (OP)
Elden Ring clone when?
Genshin clone when?
Fate clone characters when?
Pokemon clone characters when?
Super Mario clone when?
Love and Deepsapce when?
Infinity Nikki clone when?

Do you really need another spider-brap? At least give Doreen another rodent clone like Ratgirl or Hamtergal porcupine maiden....something

>>149687478
You guys were very mean to him and Hopeless, so you're not getting any more of them until you apologize.

>>149684438
Did new champions actually end?

>>149683883

>Just a psycho girl called Menstruation

Marvel (and comics in general) are making the same mistake as the film industry: They're trying to remake successes, rather than revamping failures to address their mistakes.

>>149687471
I’m down for that

Imagine Maka copying Mandrill's powers and getting a little too deep into his head and then she uses them on her karate class.

>>149688386
It'll be up to caroline to save the day, also i swore I didn't know mandrill was real

>>149645143 (OP)
>Marvel adds a Spider-shota and Spider-loli
>Both fail.

I guess the Power Pack was just a fluke.

>>149688421
Honestly it just sucks that once this book dies Caroline and the other cute karate girls are going to completely disappear because Maka is just going to be team up and guest appearance fodder. When was the last time Kamala's non-family or Bruno supporting cast showed up since she was made into a mutie?

>>149689181
Never or just to emphasize how much people hate muties for some reason. Literally they'd have her friend and caroline appear just to be like "ew a mutie gross I touched her"

>>149651724
Time to make room.

>>149688718
Slott's the writer and nobody else gave a fuck about them. At least Baily was in Champions for a bit and Spider-Girl is going to the X-camp.

>>149684438
I still can't get over this. Slott made a lighthearted 10 year old pseudosidekick, Marvel commissioned various artists to do something along the same lines, they nearly all fucked up the assignment (didn't bother finding out how old Spider-Boy is?) and Marvel decided to make a book of the result. Tying the characters into Spider-Woman, a decidedly unpopular book. Introducing them in Dpider-Woman all together instead of onevat a time in relevant titles. And that Spider-Woman writer was picked to write the book.

Just a conga-line of fuckups.

>>149687478
Ohhhh no you don't. Arcade should be a FUN character that put heroes in deadly video games or recreations of summer blockbusters. If you use him to get rid of young characters you're fucking it up.

>>149690926
Their biggest mistake was giving the book to Foxe who is a shitty writer.

>>149691192
The girls are Sexo though

>>149692089
The only girl worth a shit in that book is Hellrune who would have been better off as part of a new Witches book. In fact, give me a new Witches book.

>>149692106
Brazilian Captain America girl and Latina ghost rider girl tickles my fancy

>>149688257
hot

>>149665024
He wanted to compete in a tournament that was officially two v two matches, but seemingly unofficially required the second player be a small child. Spider boy and Daredevil were one team, Bullseye and spider girl were another.

>>149645325
>Spiderman used to be the quintessential white boy character
>society is doing everything they can to erase white boys from existence
its pathological

>>149693569
That's the same tournament arc Hulkette was in right? We should have an arc Maka, Hulkette and Caroline fighting through waves of thugs in different locales like it's an old school beat 'em up.

>>149694691
Lol hulkette would be a bit much based on how her power stacks. But really not a bad idea would be either super funny or super cute

Bump